Once Upon A Killer Mafia (14/17) A Writers Block:Endgame

[Whatsausage]

I'd rather have mtamb bring virus back into this game (even though virus didn't do shit day 1, ) i do think he would have added incentive to try again, and he would be productive.

ultra shoot mtamb (nothing should happen since mtamb should die using his power)

Ultra shooting dd5, again nothing should happen since dd5 will not be around.

in short, even not looking at the flaws that you point out in your plan. i value virus reads over dd5. (specially since dd5 is here now and can give input, while virus is confirmed town and can't give input)

The thing about bringing virus back into the game... Would he get all his powers back? So if he were to die again, would that give ultra another two shots? As much as he says the town will be able to choose his shots and as convinced as some are that ultra is town, I still don't feel terribly comfortable with having someone that has to shoot twice a night. The added killing power can be helpful, but I believe more in "extending the game."

I asked the mod about whether the revival would occur before a kill, and I'm sure you can guess the answer: he didn't really give an answer, saying it would depend. So I don't believe we should risk having ultra shoot mtam, since it could easily end up having him killed.

As for your case on hotshot, I don't see much there, but at least you are trying to make a case when it seems no one else really is (I am guilty of this myself; I don't have much for strong reads atm).

FP'd by AOG and storr

[StorrZerg]

I'd rather have mtamb bring virus back into this game (even though virus didn't do shit day 1, ) i do think he would have added incentive to try again, and he would be productive.

ultra shoot mtamb (nothing should happen since mtamb should die using his power)

Ultra shooting dd5, again nothing should happen since dd5 will not be around.

in short, even not looking at the flaws that you point out in your plan. i value virus reads over dd5. (specially since dd5 is here now and can give input, while virus is confirmed town and can't give input)

The thing about bringing virus back into the game... Would he get all his powers back? So if he were to die again, would that give ultra another two shots? As much as he says the town will be able to choose his shots and as convinced as some are that ultra is town, I still don't feel terribly comfortable with having someone that has to shoot twice a night. The added killing power can be helpful, but I believe more in "extending the game."

I asked the mod about whether the revival would occur before a kill, and I'm sure you can guess the answer: he didn't really give an answer, saying it would depend. So I don't believe we should risk having ultra shoot mtam, since it could easily end up having him killed.

As for your case on hotshot, I don't see much there, but at least you are trying to make a case when it seems no one else really is (I am guilty of this myself; I don't have much for strong reads atm).

FP'd by AOG and storr

mtamb doesn't really have an option, unless who ever is lynched is also town. If we lynch mafia today (which i think will happen) then he only has 1 option. The longer he delays using his power, while being alive = more suspicion.

I think you are to paranoid at what "might happen" . it is 2 town.

Can you go into more detail? Is there parts you agree with? disagree with. Making a blanket statement of "i don't see much there" is pretty piss poor. Considering you agree that i'm trying to get shit done, and making that kind of statement doesn't help anyone. + it allows you to be null on the subject with out giving much real thought.

I lay out many parts as to why i think actions of him are scummy, the least you can do is pick one that you feel strongly about in agreement, or disagreement.

[pancakemix]

yeah, your not town.

Such a devastating counterargument.

I'm not at all sold on the hotshot case. Few posts seems to really be the only point on this, and it's not inherently scummy. I also found it really amusing that Storr used sheeping as a point against hotshot, but that wasn't an issue when dd was the main push. Double standard much?

Also it really seemed like he was pushing ultra there for a minute, who really couldn't be much but town. When people started pointing out how stupid that was, he dropped it like a hot potato. Seems like a wrinkle worth pushing (on Storr, that is).

Also, fucking stop with the colors. It's hard enough to keep up with the thread as it is not being here as much as I'd like, having confusing formatting is just an unnecessary level of complication (especially when your comment isn't in quotes!)

[StorrZerg]

yeah, your not town.

Such a devastating counterargument.

I'm not at all sold on the hotshot case. Few posts seems to really be the only point on this, and it's not inherently scummy. I also found it really amusing that Storr used sheeping as a point against hotshot, but that wasn't an issue when dd was the main push. Double standard much?

Also it really seemed like he was pushing ultra there for a minute, who really couldn't be much but town. When people started pointing out how stupid that was, he dropped it like a hot potato. Seems like a wrinkle worth pushing (on Storr, that is).

Also, fucking stop with the colors. It's hard enough to keep up with the thread as it is not being here as much as I'd like, having confusing formatting is just an unnecessary level of complication (especially when your comment isn't in quotes!)

Again, difference and nice try at deflecting pressure off hotshot. What about the point that hotshot didn't have any town reads, or defend any accusations.

Not sure what the hell your talking about regarding me "pushing" ultra. but ok. (maybe you are referring to me calling bullshit on him not knowing ahead of time, or having any indication that he would gain something upon virus death). Which isn't me pushing him for something scummy, i would have been very clear if i thought ultra was being scummy.

Well, you could explain what i could do differently to help the formatting, but i feel the colors help separate players comments, and make things easier to read. I fail to see how different colors "complicates things"

[StorrZerg]

@pcm, can you explain what hotshot has done to help town? anything in particular that he did well to help solve the situation day 1? Things in your opinion that he did that was pro town?

[HotShot53]

yeah, your not town.

Such a devastating counterargument.

I'm not at all sold on the hotshot case. Few posts seems to really be the only point on this, and it's not inherently scummy. I also found it really amusing that Storr used sheeping as a point against hotshot, but that wasn't an issue when dd was the main push. Double standard much?

Also it really seemed like he was pushing ultra there for a minute, who really couldn't be much but town. When people started pointing out how stupid that was, he dropped it like a hot potato. Seems like a wrinkle worth pushing (on Storr, that is).

Also, fucking stop with the colors. It's hard enough to keep up with the thread as it is not being here as much as I'd like, having confusing formatting is just an unnecessary level of complication (especially when your comment isn't in quotes!)

Again, difference and nice try at deflecting pressure off hotshot. What about the point that hotshot didn't have any town reads, or defend any accusations.

Not sure what the hell your talking about regarding me "pushing" ultra. but ok. (maybe you are referring to me calling bullshit on him not knowing ahead of time, or having any indication that he would gain something upon virus death). Which isn't me pushing him for something scummy, i would have been very clear if i thought ultra was being scummy.

Well, you could explain what i could do differently to help the formatting, but i feel the colors help separate players comments, and make things easier to read. I fail to see how different colors "complicates things"

So, according to your arguments... AoG must be scum for sheeping you and voting me, while whatsausage and PCM must be town for defending someone they don't see as scum... lol. As I already said... am I supposed to defend someone who I also think is more likely scum than town? All of the "cases" that had 1 or 2 votes on them weren't cases enough to need defending, they were just day 1 cases that people tried out to see if they stuck, and most of them didn't stick. And the whole point of being town is to figure out who is scum... by default, anyone who isn't scum is town.

Oh, and btw, you included yourself in the list of people you say I threw scum on. Where did I do that? I went back and looked at my posts, and I don't see where I ever called you scum. I'm pretty sure you've thrown scum around on even more people than I FOS'd. Since you are so concerned about saying people are town... who do you have as town as of now?

[rishaed]

Vote Count:

Hotshot53 (2) - Storrzerg, ArmyofGod
Storrzerg (1) - Pancakemix
ArmyofGod (1) - Ultrasplot

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch. Deadline is the 21st.

[StorrZerg]

yeah, your not town.

Such a devastating counterargument.

I'm not at all sold on the hotshot case. Few posts seems to really be the only point on this, and it's not inherently scummy. I also found it really amusing that Storr used sheeping as a point against hotshot, but that wasn't an issue when dd was the main push. Double standard much?

Also it really seemed like he was pushing ultra there for a minute, who really couldn't be much but town. When people started pointing out how stupid that was, he dropped it like a hot potato. Seems like a wrinkle worth pushing (on Storr, that is).

Also, fucking stop with the colors. It's hard enough to keep up with the thread as it is not being here as much as I'd like, having confusing formatting is just an unnecessary level of complication (especially when your comment isn't in quotes!)

Again, difference and nice try at deflecting pressure off hotshot. What about the point that hotshot didn't have any town reads, or defend any accusations.

Not sure what the hell your talking about regarding me "pushing" ultra. but ok. (maybe you are referring to me calling bullshit on him not knowing ahead of time, or having any indication that he would gain something upon virus death). Which isn't me pushing him for something scummy, i would have been very clear if i thought ultra was being scummy.

Well, you could explain what i could do differently to help the formatting, but i feel the colors help separate players comments, and make things easier to read. I fail to see how different colors "complicates things"

So, according to your arguments... AoG must be scum for sheeping you and voting me, while whatsausage and PCM must be town for defending someone they don't see as scum... lol. As I already said... am I supposed to defend someone who I also think is more likely scum than town? All of the "cases" that had 1 or 2 votes on them weren't cases enough to need defending, they were just day 1 cases that people tried out to see if they stuck, and most of them didn't stick. And the whole point of being town is to figure out who is scum... by default, anyone who isn't scum is town.

Oh, and btw, you included yourself in the list of people you say I threw scum on. Where did I do that? I went back and looked at my posts, and I don't see where I ever called you scum. I'm pretty sure you've thrown scum around on even more people than I FOS'd. Since you are so concerned about saying people are town... who do you have as town as of now?

aog might be scum sure. i mean he is on my list.... Secondly you can't add pcm/whatsausage to be like you, the read was about how YOU play the game when you are town. So that "defense" of a "joke push" that you are saying doesn't hold weight. and you can continue making these arguments, it will only make you look scummier since you are not actually defending the points against you, since you keep brushing it off. No, you don't have to or should defend someone you think is scum, how ever of the cases made against all the people, you took no defending stance against any of the arguments or defending the character of any of them. Nor did you agree with any town reads that got presented day 1, you ignored all those conversations. Also you imo don't play the game based off "people needing to be defended" Again, you name town, you speak about town people. You didn't do that at all day 1.

anarchist push. you threw doubt onto the push with out actually addressing the new reason, which then animaniacs responded to, which you then ignored.

[TheForgivenOne]

*Please note I am trying to make a post today while at work, I've written quite a bit in my few minutes I have here and there, so I'm probably going to get fp'd by about 30 people...

Well, not quite 30, but so far fp'd 6 times.

[UltrasPlot]

I think any case on AoG 2.0 is now more solid as he's trying to wagon hotshot...

[StorrZerg]

I think any case on AoG 2.0 is now more solid as he's trying to wagon hotshot...

thats fine, but don't get sidetracked.. hotshot needs to be lynched today

[HotShot53]

aog might be scum sure. i mean he is on my list.... Secondly you can't add pcm/whatsausage to be like you, the read was about how YOU play the game when you are town. So that "defense" of a "joke push" that you are saying doesn't hold weight. and you can continue making these arguments, it will only make you look scummier since you are not actually defending the points against you, since you keep brushing it off. No, you don't have to or should defend someone you think is scum, how ever of the cases made against all the people, you took no defending stance against any of the arguments or defending the character of any of them. Nor did you agree with any town reads that got presented day 1, you ignored all those conversations. Also you imo don't play the game based off "people needing to be defended" Again, you name town, you speak about town people. You didn't do that at all day 1.

anarchist push. you threw doubt onto the push with out actually addressing the new reason, which then animaniacs responded to, which you then ignored.

I have defended all of your points against me multiple times, I haven't brushed anything off.

It was day 1... as I said before, I didn't have strong town reads on anyone at that point. So I still don't know what you expected me to be doing. Also, I have a job, I have a life... it takes hours to read pages and pages of posts, not everyone can do that and also have time to make massive posts about everything under the sun. I contributed to the important topics, and didn't waste mine (and everyone else's) time responding to things that didn't matter at all at the time when I was posting.

As I said numerous times before... I took your comment as an offhand comment, not as a new reason. And I probably didn't see animaniacs comment until after the nark "case" wasn't an issue anymore, so I wouldn't have gone back to dig it up.

You ignored my questions... why did you included yourself in my scum reads, since I never scum read you? And since saying people are town is so important to you, who do you say is town?

[StorrZerg]

I didn't ignore the question..

anarchist push. you threw doubt onto the push with out actually addressing the new reason, which then animaniacs responded to, which you then ignored.

this isn't exactly naming me scum, but its throwing doubt over the entire bit that i had with anark. Shutting down what was to come, and then not following up when you got questioned about your post.

[HotShot53]

I didn't ignore the question..

anarchist push. you threw doubt onto the push with out actually addressing the new reason, which then animaniacs responded to, which you then ignored.

this isn't exactly naming me scum, but its throwing doubt over the entire bit that i had with anark. Shutting down what was to come, and then not following up when you got questioned about your post.

Saying "you misunderstood him, so your argument is baseless" is a lot different than saying "your argument sounds scummish, FOS"

And I'm waiting on your town reads also.

[dd515087]

Sorry I've been busy and not posting much

I think any case on AoG 2.0 is now more solid as he's trying to wagon hotshot...

I agree with this

thats fine, but don't get sidetracked.. hotshot needs to be lynched today

Yesterday you went off on PCM and he defended himself, now you seem to have totally forgotten about him and are now focused solely on HotShot.
vote: Storr I want some pressure here, mainly for the reason above. I'll go back and read through the rest of his posts when I have more time

I have defended all of your points against me multiple times, I haven't brushed anything off.

And he keeps bringing up the same exact points. Sounds like what Ultra is doing to me.

On who Ultra should shoot, it should not be mtam (I don't know if that was still being thrown around) It shouldn't be me either

[StorrZerg]

Sorry I've been busy and not posting much

I think any case on AoG 2.0 is now more solid as he's trying to wagon hotshot...

I agree with this

thats fine, but don't get sidetracked.. hotshot needs to be lynched today

Yesterday you went off on PCM and he defended himself, now you seem to have totally forgotten about him and are now focused solely on HotShot.
vote: Storr I want some pressure here, mainly for the reason above. I'll go back and read through the rest of his posts when I have more time

I have defended all of your points against me multiple times, I haven't brushed anything off.

Did i forgot about pcm? Or did i have a reason to stop pressuring him? Maybe you need to reread why i stopped pressuring pcm. Since it wasn't "for no reason"
(hint it might have to do with revaluation of him, heavily influenced with my town reads disagreeing with my pcm pressure)
whats your point about my focus being on hotshot for now. I've actually pointed out several people i think are mafia today, which include streaker, Aog, and hotshot.
So we are in agreement regarding aog, fantastic...

And he keeps bringing up the same exact points. Sounds like what Ultra is doing to me.

Mostly because he keeps avoiding them, or his answers aren't directed to the question. + it is a bit silly to be arguing with hotshot when i think he is scum, yet no one wants to talk about hotshot with me. I've had several agree with my stance, pcm disagree, and you i'm not sure what your stance is. (yet no continuation of my theories, my analysis or further questioning)

On who Ultra should shoot, it should not be mtam (I don't know if that was still being thrown around) It shouldn't be me either

They are both shots, which shouldn't "kill" so no, logically they make sense since you can avoid it, and mtamb should die in process of reviving someone. Since you disagree, you might as well explain, other wise it looks like you are trying to avoid being shot, because you have hidden motives. (or you have lied about something)

dd5, do you know why pcm is voting me this day? whats the best point about his case?

[StorrZerg]

@dd5, how about you stop trying to stifle this push (yes pushing on me stops the pressure of hotshot)

and how about you join me and actually lynching a mafia kthx

[Army of GOD]

Sorry I've been busy and not posting much

I think any case on AoG 2.0 is now more solid as he's trying to wagon hotshot...

I agree with this

thats fine, but don't get sidetracked.. hotshot needs to be lynched today

Yesterday you went off on PCM and he defended himself, now you seem to have totally forgotten about him and are now focused solely on HotShot.
vote: Storr I want some pressure here, mainly for the reason above. I'll go back and read through the rest of his posts when I have more time

I have defended all of your points against me multiple times, I haven't brushed anything off.

And he keeps bringing up the same exact points. Sounds like what Ultra is doing to me.

On who Ultra should shoot, it should not be mtam (I don't know if that was still being thrown around) It shouldn't be me either

Kind of tame reasoning for a vote on Storr

Also, where is TFOs post?

[UltrasPlot]

It shouldn't be me either

We got confirmed mafia guys!

Assuming his claim were true he would just commute leaving no reason to not shoot him.

thats fine, but don't get sidetracked.. hotshot needs to be lynched today

I disagree on the solidity of your case. AoG 2 is playing a lot more scummily and less active than AoG 1, and also tried to wagon hotshot when storr put down his vote.

[StorrZerg]

hey, how about you push hotshot, till something happens, then re look aog after he has time to do something. your push on aog isn't accomplishing anything right now, so at least work with me so something can be accomplished.

[UltrasPlot]

Clearly outline your case on Hotshot in one post and I may well be convinced. As of right now Hotshot seems less scummy than AoG / dd / mtam.

[StorrZerg]

Clearly outline your case on Hotshot in one post and I may well be convinced. As of right now Hotshot seems less scummy than AoG / dd / mtam.

i have, be useful and vote hotshot

[UltrasPlot]

Link me. I'm not sold.

[UltrasPlot]

ebwop

FOS Storr for not showing the information when it was a matter of ctrl+c and ctrl+v...
This push on hotshot is getting unnerving.

I advise you all not to vote hotshot until storr comes out and gives his explanation.

[HotShot53]

hey, how about you push hotshot, till something happens, then re look aog after he has time to do something. your push on aog isn't accomplishing anything right now, so at least work with me so something can be accomplished.

If you notice, your push on me isn't accomplishing anything either, the only person to agree with you is AoG 2.0, who some people (including you) think could be scum. So it might be time to drop the case so I can spend my time finding scum instead of repeating myself for the 5th time. (I couldn't scum hunt earlier this day, or else you'd just accuse me of "distracting" your case on me... I think your case is about finished now though, so I'll be looking for scum tomorrow)

On who Ultra should shoot, it should not be mtam (I don't know if that was still being thrown around) It shouldn't be me either

They are both shots, which shouldn't "kill" so no, logically they make sense since you can avoid it, and mtamb should die in process of reviving someone. Since you disagree, you might as well explain, other wise it looks like you are trying to avoid being shot, because you have hidden motives. (or you have lied about something)

Why do you keep ignoring what I say about shooting mtam? If he gets shot before reviving someone, we just lost a confirmed town. So I would not recommend shooting mtam, and personally I think suggesting shooting him "because he'd die anyway" is scummy when you don't know which happens first. I think he's telling the truth as to what he does, as the way he's playing isn't how he plays as scum or town, he just seems disinterested, which would make sense if he expects to die night 1 or 2 anyway. As for DD not getting shot... either he's scum, or I guess tonight isn't a night he can commute... not sure which is the case, I'm still a coin flip on him.