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Re: Once Upon A Killer Mafia (17/17)D1: Memories

Postby Whatsausage on Wed Nov 12, 2014 5:12 pm

TheForgivenOne wrote:
Whatsausage wrote:
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crasp wrote:I am not sure how you get this as town. He seems very keen to convince us that he is now clear and claiming that power has just asked for a role block if there is one in the game.

FP Storr.


If he was Anti-town (And does have these powers), he very easily could have not said a thing about it. Then let the craziness ensue tonight. That's how I view it.

The problem I have with this thought is that he has to know this as well, and if there are trackers in the game (I tend to think there is one), he would likely be seen with 2+ kills in a single night. His visit to the deceased can be justified this way. This quickly becomes a WIFOM argument, but perhaps I am just seeing it spit out a scummy ultra because that's what I am putting in.


You're taking a big stretch that the Tracker was going to track him tonight, when there is 12 other candidates to consider, and the possibility of the Tracker going after him N1. If he tracked him N1 and saw nothing, there'd be next to no reason to track him again.

Excuse me, I meant watcher haha
I tend to get those two mixed up :D

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Re: Once Upon A Killer Mafia (15/17) D2: Blood Oath

Postby dd515087 on Wed Nov 12, 2014 5:56 pm

First of all, that post was terrible Ultra, do quotes the right way. Especially if you're going to quote many people.
UltrasPlot wrote:
dd515087 wrote:This is my first time reading up since night ended, I've been really busy.
Hopefully the last time I have to say this: I NEVER once thought AoG was town. I thought he was scummy since his very first post. Then I went inactive for a bit. When I came back I made the lover topic the center of talk with my 3rd claim. I STILL said AoG was scummy, but there were other hot topics. Whatsausage asked me why I thought AoG was scummy. I read him again as scummy on his most recent posts at this point BEFORE THERE WAS A SINGLE VOTE ON HIM. Then mtam says we should BW on AoG and then he votes him. AT THIS POINT HE HAS ONE VOTE. I say:

PLEASE you have contributed NOTHING to this game. Other than a vote to mafia, of course.

OMGUS. I'm so done with this BS. Did you read that post before commenting on it? I gave you an example that you could easily go find. It's around page 18 IIRC.
Also, WHAT TF HAVE YOU CONTRIBUTED TO THIS GAME??? Your play at the beginning sucked. Then you spent the second part of your game defending yourself and virus. FINALLY after 8 or so days of D1 you make your own read. ON THE PERSON WHO WAS PUSHING YOU THE HARDEST.
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UltrasPlot wrote:As of right now I plan on shooting:
1. dd
2. unknown, maybe mtam

Yes, I do intend to shoot as the town wishes. Although I would object if you don't want to shoot the obvscum... dd refusing to claim x-shot is even worse. Makes it so that we assume he actually dies. I do not remember him claiming x-shot commuter, he only claimed commuter.

Your 2 targets:
Me, who pushed you hard D1 and didn't think you were town at all at one point. I refute your arguments and then you respond to them with the same argument (see the first half of this post for proof).
Mtam, who defended you all D1, has claimed reviver and said he will use it on town. Why not let him prove himself? This is very beneficial to town. If he's lying and doesn't revive anyone than he is an obvious lynch target for the next day.
Also, I think this has been said many times. Me revealing when I can use my power gives scum a lover kill the night I can't use it, why would I ever reveal that? If enough people want me to, I will, but that completely ruins my power.
MY COMMUTER ROLE IS LIMITED IF THAT WASN'T CLEAR. It would be too OP if it wasn't and I never denied it being limited, I just said I don't want to reveal the limitations. That being said it is not a 1x use, that would just be a weak-ass role, especially if I'm a lover as well.
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Re: Once Upon A Killer Mafia (15/17) D2: Blood Oath

Postby StorrZerg on Wed Nov 12, 2014 6:06 pm

"you had a wasted vote at the end. Your push on ultra as well. (with out much consideration that he could be town)"
^- my comment @streaker -^
not like you didn't do the same Storr, except it would have killed me too -ultra comment

you are impossible. I didn't do the same, i clearly didn't do the same. Next time you go down this rabbit hole, you need to be very specific on actions, instead of generalization. I'm getting tired of your little retorts at me. (that accomplish nothing)


"ng off that, deff think mafia laid low on the last few days, and didn't say much. Maybe we lynch hotshot, name was brought up by someone yesterday to me, didn't really have a good response. Ill probably be looking at him today."

^- my comment -^
Storr, I disagree. We have 17 players. There were 13 votes cast iirc. Within those votes there are most definitely mafia, and bored inactive players are more likely to be village imo. -ultra comment

Why are people board and inactive more likely to be town? imo, town are interested in a mafia lynch. Mafia are just interested in denying town information (no lynch) or a town lynch, specially if they don't have to force it. Specially if a townie leads the push, and they can follow. I can agree that mafia probably did vote, but non voting is not what i mean. I mean what i state, "inactive play style" Those who didn't seem to care which direction the lynch ended up going, who didn't give strong opinions on why not this person, or why this person was a good lynch.

"also fyi ultra, i was one of your bigger supporters to not have you lynched because i had a town read on you, and explained it... And this was before your lover claim. Glad you forgot about the people actually pushing on you, but thats chill. Considering now you are pushing on mtamb, who doesn't want to lynch any lovers as of yesterday (and today). ultra, you are looking in the wrong place for mafia, townies are very capable of pushing wrong lynches and i believe you are pushing 2 townies."

^- my comment -^
I'm fairly sure you tried to lynch virus. Also I don't intend to shoot you unless town decides you're scum. I was merely pointing stuff out. <- ultra
Absolutely i tried to lynch virus. He was playing scummy. You need to address if i had valid reasons of pushing him or not. Rather than parroting "you pushed virus" Now, did i continue pushing virus? no. I went on Aog.

Also ultra you have to understand some facts about what has happened.

You wanted to be lynched. You claimed early, provoked people to lynch you.
Virus claimed to be able to save you, at the cost of his own life. Virus, literally had 0 interest in participating in this game when he announced this.
At this point, we know at least 1 other lover set both have powers. Virus has a power, you have no claimed power (VT) and you want to die.

It isn't unreasonable to assume you gain something besides "being town" when virus dies. And you have. whether you admit to knowing before hand or not it doesn't matter at this point imo. Virus flipped town, he claimed you are the same alignment as himself.

Pending all this information, if you happen to be 3rd party or scum, there is absolutely 0 reason to go along with lynching you. (because you want this to happen, so it is logically bad to go with a suspected scum targets wishes) And if you are town, there is again 0 reason to lynch you to "prove" you are town while losing a town virus, and not gaining any new information. This is the whole point to VIrus > ultra, in the lynch scenario.

The whole lynch, moved away from you, If i still wanted you both dead, i would have continued to push virus. End of the day, 1 vote virus from whatsausage, 1 vote ultra from streaker.

virus90 wrote:just imagine for a moment, before i posted my first things, ultra was already the center of attention.
knowing what my ability was, before my game even began i was already kind of doomed to die.
for the 2nd game in a row not making it to day 2, might just not be the best experience you can have.
there for my cynical approach and my indifference who dies.
i still hope somewhere we come to senses and decide otherwise but i feel dead before the game even began for me. maybe if you view it from my point of view you get where my actions and decisions come from.


This is the post, that made me question my view of virus alignment. This post just reeks of sadness to even be in this game. This is what made me question my read on virus, could why i thought he was playing scummy, be explained by this? This attitude does fit with his style of play this game. the inactivity, the not giving a shit, the lacking of wanting to lynch mafia.
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Re: Once Upon A Killer Mafia (15/17) D2: Blood Oath

Postby StorrZerg on Wed Nov 12, 2014 6:09 pm

Like to hear comments from people regarding the arguments / people pushing me as scum

as well as comments from people regarding hotshot.
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Re: Once Upon A Killer Mafia (15/17) D2: Blood Oath

Postby Zivel on Wed Nov 12, 2014 6:23 pm

StorrZerg wrote:Like to hear comments from people regarding the arguments / people pushing me as scum

as well as comments from people regarding hotshot.


Where is your hotshot read?
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Re: Once Upon A Killer Mafia (15/17) D2: Blood Oath

Postby StorrZerg on Wed Nov 12, 2014 6:27 pm

Zivel wrote:
StorrZerg wrote:Like to hear comments from people regarding the arguments / people pushing me as scum

as well as comments from people regarding hotshot.


Where is your hotshot read?


whats your opinion of him. I've proven that i give my reads.
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Re: Once Upon A Killer Mafia (15/17) D2: Blood Oath

Postby Whatsausage on Wed Nov 12, 2014 6:41 pm

Well I have been chewing on this idea for a while, and I'm looking for input (Note: when I originally came up with it, I forgot that there is a pretty good chance dd's lover would die and that his power may be limited)
The plan (short and blunt): We lynch dd and mtam revives him if he flips town.
The pros:
1. Able to test both dd's and mtam's claims
2. If claims are true:
a. We gain a confirmed town dd, who will be very hard to be night killed
b. Allows mtam to use his power, so he can "gtfo this game" (I think he said something along those lines)
3. If one or both claims are lies:
a. Found a liar and either lynched him or have him set to be lynched/killed

The cons:
1. Mtam may change his mind about reviving dd
2. Dd's lover could die along with him
3. If both are telling the truth, we spend a cycle essentially lynching a town to gain a confirmed town

So the more and more I think about this, the worse the plan is, because in the case of the plan "working" it becomes con #3. I thought I'd put it out there anyway, to see if others think it is worth considering
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Re: Once Upon A Killer Mafia (15/17) D2: Blood Oath

Postby Zivel on Wed Nov 12, 2014 6:51 pm

StorrZerg wrote:
Zivel wrote:
StorrZerg wrote:Like to hear comments from people regarding the arguments / people pushing me as scum

as well as comments from people regarding hotshot.


Where is your hotshot read?


whats your opinion of him. I've proven that i give my reads.


And I have given plenty myself, I dont know what I think about hotshot, that is why I am looking forward to your case so I can get some ideas.
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Re: Once Upon A Killer Mafia (15/17) D2: Blood Oath

Postby StorrZerg on Wed Nov 12, 2014 6:54 pm

I'd rather have mtamb bring virus back into this game (even though virus didn't do shit day 1, ) i do think he would have added incentive to try again, and he would be productive.

ultra shoot mtamb (nothing should happen since mtamb should die using his power)

Ultra shooting dd5, again nothing should happen since dd5 will not be around.

in short, even not looking at the flaws that you point out in your plan. i value virus reads over dd5. (specially since dd5 is here now and can give input, while virus is confirmed town and can't give input)
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Re: Once Upon A Killer Mafia (15/17) D2: Blood Oath

Postby StorrZerg on Wed Nov 12, 2014 6:56 pm

Zivel wrote:
StorrZerg wrote:
Zivel wrote:
StorrZerg wrote:Like to hear comments from people regarding the arguments / people pushing me as scum

as well as comments from people regarding hotshot.


Where is your hotshot read?


whats your opinion of him. I've proven that i give my reads.


And I have given plenty myself, I dont know what I think about hotshot, that is why I am looking forward to your case so I can get some ideas.


nah im sure your very capable of giving at least a stance about hotshot before i present my case. I mean my case is largely based off day 1, so really any input from anyone right now doesn't change anything.
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Re: Once Upon A Killer Mafia (15/17) D2: Blood Oath

Postby crasp on Wed Nov 12, 2014 7:01 pm

Whatsausage wrote:Well I have been chewing on this idea for a while, and I'm looking for input (Note: when I originally came up with it, I forgot that there is a pretty good chance dd's lover would die and that his power may be limited)
The plan (short and blunt): We lynch dd and mtam revives him if he flips town.
The pros:
1. Able to test both dd's and mtam's claims
2. If claims are true:
a. We gain a confirmed town dd, who will be very hard to be night killed
b. Allows mtam to use his power, so he can "gtfo this game" (I think he said something along those lines)
3. If one or both claims are lies:
a. Found a liar and either lynched him or have him set to be lynched/killed

The cons:
1. Mtam may change his mind about reviving dd
2. Dd's lover could die along with him
3. If both are telling the truth, we spend a cycle essentially lynching a town to gain a confirmed town

So the more and more I think about this, the worse the plan is, because in the case of the plan "working" it becomes con #3. I thought I'd put it out there anyway, to see if others think it is worth considering


Problem. Do that and Ultra is going to be walking about like Elmer Fudd blasting everything that moves. I am willing to accept ultra is town for now. He tells who he is going to hit beforehand and if it happens he is in the clear as far as i am concerned.
@ Storr. You look to me like you are getting a bit flustered.
FP'd by a flustered Storr
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Re: Once Upon A Killer Mafia (15/17) D2: Blood Oath

Postby StorrZerg on Wed Nov 12, 2014 7:13 pm

crasp wrote:
Whatsausage wrote:Well I have been chewing on this idea for a while, and I'm looking for input (Note: when I originally came up with it, I forgot that there is a pretty good chance dd's lover would die and that his power may be limited)
The plan (short and blunt): We lynch dd and mtam revives him if he flips town.
The pros:
1. Able to test both dd's and mtam's claims
2. If claims are true:
a. We gain a confirmed town dd, who will be very hard to be night killed
b. Allows mtam to use his power, so he can "gtfo this game" (I think he said something along those lines)
3. If one or both claims are lies:
a. Found a liar and either lynched him or have him set to be lynched/killed

The cons:
1. Mtam may change his mind about reviving dd
2. Dd's lover could die along with him
3. If both are telling the truth, we spend a cycle essentially lynching a town to gain a confirmed town

So the more and more I think about this, the worse the plan is, because in the case of the plan "working" it becomes con #3. I thought I'd put it out there anyway, to see if others think it is worth considering


Problem. Do that and Ultra is going to be walking about like Elmer Fudd blasting everything that moves. I am willing to accept ultra is town for now. He tells who he is going to hit beforehand and if it happens he is in the clear as far as i am concerned.
@ Storr. You look to me like you are getting a bit flustered.
FP'd by a flustered Storr


whats your stance on hotshot, no dodging now
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Re: Once Upon A Killer Mafia (15/17) D2: Blood Oath

Postby crasp on Wed Nov 12, 2014 7:47 pm

I wouldnt say hotshot has particularly come to my attention. looks to me like he is doing just enough to get by but so are others. Changed vote at the lynch and came in on AOG in scum territory but to be fair so did others and he was kind of coaxed into it by MT. I have him neutral just now.
I have also noticed streaker seems to have lurked back into the fog again.
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Re: Once Upon A Killer Mafia (15/17) D2: Blood Oath

Postby UltrasPlot on Wed Nov 12, 2014 7:56 pm

seems I should shoot mtam and dd, is this agreed upon?
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Re: Once Upon A Killer Mafia (15/17) D2: Blood Oath

Postby StorrZerg on Wed Nov 12, 2014 8:01 pm

UltrasPlot wrote:seems I should shoot mtam and dd, is this agreed upon?


take it as light consideration as of 10% of day 2... still need to see what the lynch is, and have the day evolve more
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Re: Once Upon A Killer Mafia (15/17) D2: Blood Oath

Postby UltrasPlot on Wed Nov 12, 2014 8:07 pm

oh yes my bad. used to two rl-day phases.
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Re: Once Upon A Killer Mafia (15/17) D2: Blood Oath

Postby crasp on Wed Nov 12, 2014 8:15 pm

Probably not going to be back on till this time tomorrow. be a bit patchy till saturday. Relax with those posts ultra. Good chance if I am on it will be on the phone and they are impossible to follow. Cheers guys.
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Re: Once Upon A Killer Mafia (15/17) D2: Blood Oath

Postby Zivel on Wed Nov 12, 2014 11:15 pm

StorrZerg wrote:
Zivel wrote:
StorrZerg wrote:
Zivel wrote:
StorrZerg wrote:Like to hear comments from people regarding the arguments / people pushing me as scum

as well as comments from people regarding hotshot.


Where is your hotshot read?


whats your opinion of him. I've proven that i give my reads.


And I have given plenty myself, I dont know what I think about hotshot, that is why I am looking forward to your case so I can get some ideas.


nah im sure your very capable of giving at least a stance about hotshot before i present my case. I mean my case is largely based off day 1, so really any input from anyone right now doesn't change anything.


What is this? You asking about Hotshot when you were the one with the case. You want me to make the case for you? Just come out and ask, but not after you say you are going to.

My guess is you don't actually have a decent case, you just want to divert attention from the ones under the spotlight at the moment.

Yeah I say we keep mtam and if he doesn't revive a townie tonight we lynch him tomorrow. I am for shooting him to depending on how it work with timing.

I also think we shoot dd5 and see what he flips. I am thinking he is scummier after the virus flip and is scum lover with someone.

So no I am not going to give you your hotshot case. You were the one that promised it not me. And yes I could go back and give you a full read on him but at the moment he is null to me, looking townier by the minute with this strange play.
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Re: Once Upon A Killer Mafia (15/17) D2: Blood Oath

Postby StorrZerg on Wed Nov 12, 2014 11:38 pm

I don't get why he is town for strange play, something in particular he did?.

I'll try and get the case on hotshot out tomorrow.

(We'll diverting attention isn't a factor, the current pushes are all terrible, me, ultra, dd5, mtamburini and all likely town. )
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Re: Once Upon A Killer Mafia (15/17) D2: Blood Oath

Postby Zivel on Wed Nov 12, 2014 11:39 pm

UltrasPlot wrote:seems I should shoot mtam and dd, is this agreed upon?


I would leave mtam. He claims reviver, lets see him peove it. No need to shoot him.
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Re: Once Upon A Killer Mafia (15/17) D2: Blood Oath

Postby StorrZerg on Wed Nov 12, 2014 11:40 pm

O I think you mean my play, is making him look townie-ish. Lolol.
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Re: Once Upon A Killer Mafia (15/17) D2: Blood Oath

Postby HotShot53 on Wed Nov 12, 2014 11:43 pm

StorrZerg wrote:Interesting streaker says to look on the virus wagon. Being Dd5 and myself.

@Streaker, why not hotshot?


Maybe because he remembers what happened yesterday and knows I wasn't on the virus wagon? I voted virus before anyone else did, and because I thought he was scummy, and before he came out as ultra's lover. Once he came out as ultra's lover and made his claim etc, I actually removed my vote from him and put it back on ultra, since I thought they still sounded scummy, but just in case I was wrong we'd be a lot better off with an ultra mislynch than a virus mislynch, and if we were right then we'd just lynch whichever of them lived to the next day.

This is the most interesting non-case pushing I've ever seen on me... you accused streaker of "testing the waters" on a possible lynch on you, then do the same thing seeing if anyone else wants to start a case on me. I really don't know what you're playing at today.

As for ultra's targets, I would recommend not saying specifically who you will shoot, maybe just have a pool of people... if scum know who you will shoot, and one is actually a scum, then it's very possible they have a bussdriver or blocker or something that will make you not hit the target you want. And to those recommending shooting mtam, better make sure the reviving happens before the shooting, or else we could be down one confirmed revived town (if mtam is telling the truth, but the kill happens first).
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Re: Once Upon A Killer Mafia (15/17) D2: Blood Oath

Postby StorrZerg on Wed Nov 12, 2014 11:52 pm

I'm not bluffing though :)

1 lie down....
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Re: Once Upon A Killer Mafia (17/17)D1: Memories

Postby StorrZerg on Wed Nov 12, 2014 11:54 pm

HotShot53 wrote:
StorrZerg wrote:comments in green

virus90 wrote:well im there, dont you worry.
kind of disturbing that mtam thinks im an easy read, makes me doubt if im really that bad a player...
the lack of confidence in this response to mtamb, makes me think virus isn't town.
also i disagree with the logic of: "he is online --> so he has definatly read everything and is supposed to write a message" sometimes reading 3 pages and responding is not alligned with the time frame you have in mind at that moment for the game, but maybe thats just me. (also that is exactly the point why i removed that ability in whatsapp, cause people say your online so why dont you respond... so i might decide to do the same here soon, im pretty sure its a tactical adventage for mafia to disable that ability)
Fairly long winded response which is just well i dont' know. since you don't actually say why you didn't respond. you just said "somtimes" If its a tactical advantage for mafia, why would you disable it then? if your town what do you have to hide?


and besides i hate day 1, and im usually highly inactive day 1. last game proved why thats better for me (i got caught being scum that game while being active), so i generally dont comment to much day 1 since i am a bit to straight forward for some people and i always get some votes on me for speaking out what i think (or being enthousiastic ;) )

This is incredibly false. While you may choose to be inactive day 1 (which is not good for town) You did not get caught for being "active"
You got caught not reading the rules (which prompted you to respond)
You then tried to throw dirt on storr/tambo (you said something 100% that wasn't true, so a lie now) which leads to more pressure
Then you admitted to "laying low" aka playing inactive in hopes the case would "go away" (which results in MORE pressure)
This results in your claim, which majority of town felt it was ok to have a 1 shot vig die (mafia vig)

"active" is not what you played last game. You purposely went "inactive" last game to avoid pressure. It seems the pattern may have returned this game... Hence the extended wait for you to post this game.




anyway about this game,
Ultra is pointing on a no lynch for arguments i think are valid, although i dont agree. so basicly i dont want to vote ultra.
also i disagree with hotshot reasoning of the day 1 mislynch --> does it provide information about the mafia? in my opinion, it is not that hard for mafia to split votes among several people day 1, generally day 1 a town majority decides to lynch someone, even if they target a mafia player generaly some of the mafia are on that wagon aswell, just to gain town creds, and later be able to say that they lynched that person SO they are town. so in my opinion it is possible that day 1 voting patterns give information, but it is also easily rigged.

So the discussion you have on the game so far is "i don't wanna vote on ultra" because his arguments are "valid" are mafia unable to make valid arguments? there is no further discussion from virus about ultra, just a simple 1 liner.

Secondly we have him discussing miss-lynch and the value in it. (well him not believing in the value) So it seems funny that he thinks ultras points are valid on no lynch. But doesn't agree with no lynch. Thus virus would want a lynch today, yet says there isn't much value in a miss lynched town. It seems like an odd train of thoughts. Either way, what he talks about is not really telling on what he thinks about the game. Its just his idea of what value a lynch has. So as of this point we are (what 4 days in?) and this is the only post he has, and its really that's it.....





Its honestly surprising that no one else bothered to speak up about virus...


I would have to agree with all of storr's' points here.

Ultra has been posting and contributing more recently, so I'll let his NL vote slide as a newbie (on these forums) mistake for now, and remove my vote unvote

Streaker and DD for their relative inactivity other than joining the bandwagon get FOS, but for now virus and his one post admitting he's trying to be less active day 1 so he doesn't get lynched by his activity deserves a vote and pressure. vote virus

FP 3 times... As far as Nark, some of the things he said in his posts definitely gave me a scum vibe, but other things he said sounded more towny... so I will give him a FOS but stay voting virus for now



Seems like you followed my lead.... Nice try to sound clean of guilt.


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Re: Once Upon A Killer Mafia (15/17) D2: Blood Oath

Postby Streaker on Thu Nov 13, 2014 1:37 am

StorrZerg wrote:I'd rather have mtamb bring virus back into this game (even though virus didn't do shit day 1, ) i do think he would have added incentive to try again, and he would be productive.

ultra shoot mtamb (nothing should happen since mtamb should die using his power)

Ultra shooting dd5, again nothing should happen since dd5 will not be around.

in short, even not looking at the flaws that you point out in your plan. i value virus reads over dd5. (specially since dd5 is here now and can give input, while virus is confirmed town and can't give input)


Too much assumptions, from other players as well. Mtamb doesn't have to cooperate. We have no guarantees.

crasp wrote:I wouldnt say hotshot has particularly come to my attention. looks to me like he is doing just enough to get by but so are others. Changed vote at the lynch and came in on AOG in scum territory but to be fair so did others and he was kind of coaxed into it by MT. I have him neutral just now.
I have also noticed streaker seems to have lurked back into the fog again.


Please, kettle. At least I didn't miss an ENTIRE week of discussions, including a vote.
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