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Well, what about today strike.
this was referring to your read on myself.
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Well, what about today strike.
StorrZerg wrote:so was my push against virus scummy? do you disagree with the reasons i had with pushing him? or is this just a case because "i pushed someone that is now dead town"
Storrzerg wrote:Ultra is never lynched today. It's 100% you over him.
It absolutely does town no good if you both are town. Since we lose a town on "seeing if it's true " and if it is true, we really lack leads on day 2...
If you are mafia, why would we follow your suggestions on ultra lynch.
StorrZerg wrote:UltrasPlot wrote:EBWOP: anamaniacs, I must kill 2 people tonight. I cannot delay the vig.
i don't believe you
crasp wrote:virus90 wrote:yes i could just let him die, but i said i would take the fall for him. Maybe in some twisted universe like this it unlocks something we dont know or anything, my only ability in this game is to die for him, so im ok with that being "my purpose" in this game. and maybe after all lovers generally die together, we dont know that, maybe thats a way to get out of that.
i dont know what other purpose i have besides dying for him.
and yes i know i am town and not 100% sure if he is, thats how our conversation started in our QT aswell but the mod saw it and confirmed to us that we are same allignement so i trust the mod in that way else it would be twisted.
WOWWWWWW when i think about it 3 pairs of lovers CAN be explained. I am gonna call it: RECRUITER/CULT
it would explain why we are all the same allignement and why the mod confirmed that, that even makes it possible for all 3 lovers pairs are town.
its a genius cruel twist, at the start all lovers are town and a recruiter can change that.
to me this would make sense, its just speculation but it would be so perfectly cruel <3 i would see rishead doing something like that.
fped by ultra:
my response: point 1: our communication is not ideal since we are like day and night apart in timezones, we are like never around at the same time. we did not agree on calling eachother scummy, ultra announced i am gonna call you scummy in the QT and did, at which point i made a joke about that in the forum: the post where i say "i get why people believe why he is scummy etc" as a response to show my surprise, cause even in my opinion the whole me framing him is far fetched.
point 2: you understand correctly i have a choice, he stated that since we agreed i would take the fall, see also comments in this post about that.
point 3: if we agree in the topic on that, and he is ok 2, since i said i would take the fall i rather take the fall i dont like making promises and then not deliver my end. (sidenote: i still dont nescesarily think lovers die together, for points made previously: 6 lovers, my role, mod being vague about it)
Is this what got him killed. And the person in ridiculing it is my old pal steraker.Streaker wrote:Did you even stop and think about posting that? It's one of the most sick twists i'd have seen in a game... To even bring it up in the midst of this discussion... I ask you to give us your thoughts on Ultra's play, and the things I pointed out, and you bring a story about how there are lovers waiting to be recruited? Amazing. (If it turns out to be true I will apologize ofcourse, if I survive the brain bleed to follow).
StorrZerg wrote:So you honestly believe all 6 are town.... out of 3 lover pairs...
Ive got a feeling, at least one lover pair is 3rd party and 1 I'd mafia.
And maybe we have more....
StorrZerg wrote:Going off that, deff think mafia laid low on the last few days, and didn't say much. Maybe we lynch hotshot, name was brought up by someone yesterday to me, didn't really have a good response. Ill probably be looking at him today.
StorrZerg wrote:i think streaker moved to being more mafia sided as well
aage wrote:Never trust CYOC or pancake.
strike wolf wrote:As far as the kill, *Puts on aluminum foil hat which is vastly superior to your tin foil hats* I am thinking SK in a two scum faction game (SK and Cult or SK and mafia). Depending on how the SK plays, they have just as much reason as any vig to try to eliminate at least one scum during the night depending on how things are going. However, unlike a vig, the SK is more pressured to eliminate town's numbers quicker. So while a town vig may have taken a shot at DD last night to support the commuter claim, that wasn't really a very favorable option to an SK who needed a kill. Ultra however was the closest thing any scum in this game could get to a sure kill, Zivel, Virus or even some of the random townies might draw a protect from someone but Ultra had basically been declared free to target and at most Virus would have sacrificed himself to take Ultra's place amongst the dead. The SK could even potentially claim it as a vig kill later in the game. Mafia could have also gone with the more or less guaranteed kill but keeping the possible future lynch on the table is generally more important to them than killing one of the scummiest townie just because he's a guaranteed kill and they are less likely to try to pull the vig fake claim unless they are forced to (getting caught visiting the deceased) or it is their given fake claim. So basically the reason is to me, logical kill target for Vig=DD; logical kill target for mafia=random townie not likely to be protected and possible second lover; leading to a Sk trying to take him out. So yeah. *takes off the aluminum foil*
Zivel wrote:This right here is not helping. SK or mafia, who cares we have to kill them, and all it does is distract town from finding them. We are past the mechanics talk by a day and half. Also I see no reason for an SK to prefer to kill one town than two, and taken into consideration that Virus would have protection is a long shot as he was looking scummy as it was. My assumption is the kill had to be a town Vig, I could be wrong but trying to work out whether it is SK or vig is pointless until we learn more and all this does is give us more bs to read when we have enough as it is, god you love to fill up the pages dont you...
mtamburini wrote:ONE TIME USE Im pretty sure he said, and he probably used it last night.
FPD
yes I do
StorrZerg wrote:mtamburini wrote:well find out when he posts.
you might as well claim to be his lover since he gave no indication that i can find that he had a limited power. That topic was even brought up, and he didn't respond to it.
UltrasPlot wrote:Storr, mind explaining the advocacy of a virus lynch yesterday when a) lynching me was so clearly superior b) virus is now confirmed town
UltrasPlot wrote:also dd I know you're lurking somewhere, get out here and explain wtf you were doing yesterday (btw, you jumped on the AoG wagon too without a thought...)
dd515087 wrote:I agree he hasn't added much at all of relevant content. I'm not comfortable with Ultra/virus, but I agree that AoG is scummy and if more people wanted to lynch him I would be completely satisfied with that lynch. I didn't see too many people pointing fingers or placing votes on him though so I decided to stick with the hot topic of Ultra/virus
dd515087 wrote:UltrasPlot wrote:Storr, mind explaining the advocacy of a virus lynch yesterday when a) lynching me was so clearly superior b) virus is now confirmed town
Everything you said here (and a couple others also brought it up... Streaker...) was completely irrelevant:
We didn't know lynching you at the time was superior. Just because you say something doesn't mean we automatically trust you. Especially when many people thought you were scummy before you claimed anything (thats why you claimed in case you forget). We also didn't know virus or you were town. Again many people thought you both were playing scummy (there was a BW on each of you in case you forget).
Also I'm not defending Storr. I don't particularly like his play, but if you are going to throw out BS reasons, I'm going to call you out. Which brings me to the next part of this post:UltrasPlot wrote:also dd I know you're lurking somewhere, get out here and explain wtf you were doing yesterday (btw, you jumped on the AoG wagon too without a thought...)
This is my first time reading up since night ended, I've been really busy.
Hopefully the last time I have to say this: I NEVER once thought AoG was town. I thought he was scummy since his very first post. Then I went inactive for a bit. When I came back I made the lover topic the center of talk with my 3rd claim. I STILL said AoG was scummy, but there were other hot topics. Whatsausage asked me why I thought AoG was scummy. I read him again as scummy on his most recent posts at this point BEFORE THERE WAS A SINGLE VOTE ON HIM. Then mtam says we should BW on AoG and then he votes him. AT THIS POINT HE HAS ONE VOTE. I say:dd515087 wrote:I agree he hasn't added much at all of relevant content. I'm not comfortable with Ultra/virus, but I agree that AoG is scummy and if more people wanted to lynch him I would be completely satisfied with that lynch. I didn't see too many people pointing fingers or placing votes on him though so I decided to stick with the hot topic of Ultra/virus
Does this clear that issue up for you? I feel like I explained this multiple times on D1.
TheForgivenOne wrote:StorrZerg wrote:so was my push against virus scummy? do you disagree with the reasons i had with pushing him? or is this just a case because "i pushed someone that is now dead town"
I'm trying to wrap my head around this one.Storrzerg wrote:Ultra is never lynched today. It's 100% you over him.
It absolutely does town no good if you both are town. Since we lose a town on "seeing if it's true " and if it is true, we really lack leads on day 2...
If you are mafia, why would we follow your suggestions on ultra lynch.
So you wanted to vote virus over Ultra.
Might be out of context (Or i'm simply reading it wrong), but i'm unsure WHY you wanted to. There was a chance, if we lynched Virus, we would end up losing both Virus and Ultra. If they ended up flipping town.. We had a chance at only losing 1 townie, if we lynched Ultra, instead of 2, if we lynched Virus. Granted it could have been opposite and we could have taken out 2 maf's, but that's a moot point now.
Could you explain this to me in... different words? I read the 3 posts about it and I'm having trouble wrapping my head around it. If you could clarify, that would be great(Sorry, I'm on my phone and my 4G at my house is spotty at best, so it's hard to find the specific post).
The whole cult situation seems a little fishy to me, and I really don't buy into it. I think Strike's thoughts on a SK makes more sense.
@Ultra
2 Shot Vig tonight? Huh... that seems... Idk, odd for a townie. Then again, Rishaed did mention this might not be balanced.
Storr's townie points have been slipping with each post... "OMG HE'S NOT MAFIA HE MUST BE CULT THEREFORE HE'S STILL SCUM" <--- lol why is anyone bothering following this
Brazen ul of virus and hop onto bandwagon of AoG even though he noted skepticism... if you were skeptic why vote
trying to lynch virus in the first place (one townie over two, other is confirmed scum regardless and you don't mislynch d2...)
Why don't you believe me? Why would I claim this if I were anti-town?
all-around decreasing post quality. if anyone's been cult recruited imho it's him
. dd never mentioned one shot anywhere. trying to save scum buddy mtam?
Ok. Why? I'm not used to you throwing things out there hoping it to stick. You mostly build up, not like this. Seen it on other occassions this game as well.
Does anyone want to add some arguments against Storr? I know I'm not the only one feeling something on him...
Mmkay, not gonna say much here since it's been too long a day. I am gonna say I'm far less suspicious of DD given 1) the virus flip, considering the tin-foil hattedness that tied the two together (and speaking of which, everyone seems to have picked that up. Did I coin a phrase or what?) and 2) the "imperfect play" thing, which goes both ways. With that said, I'm going to Vote Storr for reasons of yesterday. If you want more in-depth on that, I can rehash it tomorrow, but Zivel said basically what I said yesterday with regard to Storr (plus the virus wrinkle), and it's back there somewhere if you don't mind digging to see the original product yourself.
Now it looks like Storr has a few questions to ask and I am enjoying the pressure he is getting, especially from some of my strong town reads so I am eagerly anticipating hearing his responses, especially about the Virus lynch and the flip flopping. Always nice when an experienced player gets a bit of pressure.
Mtam deserves it to with his weak arse cases, still waiting to hear why they were so quick to lynch AoG's new slot.
rishaed wrote:Also Shes In Chapter 7 in Dendrobates for all you ppl out there. (And in another coupla chapters).Don't know why it didn't come up.
aage wrote: Ultra claiming 2 vig shots is interesting, I believe it means he's town... having them for one night only sucks, especially since it's the second night, since this means you'll have to use them.
Zivel wrote:But before storr changes vote several people are voting the virus lynch: Hotshot53, Storrzerg, dd515087 and Whatsausage joins in later. Hotshots vote was left over from something in the earlier days play.
This is telling, I think this is a key point in the game for me. Whatsausage goes for the virus vote with ideas about alternative win conditions and such. At this point in the game is was very easy for scum to join in on one of the towny lynchs. I am assuming that Ultra is town now as the Virus death without him confirms it to me. He joined in softly on a town lynch that made no sense when it would be a two for one. He promises to come back and switch his vote but never does.
Whatsausage needs to explain his play from late day one.
crasp wrote:I am not sure how you get this as town. He seems very keen to convince us that he is now clear and claiming that power has just asked for a role block if there is one in the game.
FP Storr.
TheForgivenOne wrote:crasp wrote:I am not sure how you get this as town. He seems very keen to convince us that he is now clear and claiming that power has just asked for a role block if there is one in the game.
FP Storr.
If he was Anti-town (And does have these powers), he very easily could have not said a thing about it. Then let the craziness ensue tonight. That's how I view it.
TheForgivenOne wrote:crasp wrote:I am not sure how you get this as town. He seems very keen to convince us that he is now clear and claiming that power has just asked for a role block if there is one in the game.
FP Storr.
If he was Anti-town (And does have these powers), he very easily could have not said a thing about it. Then let the craziness ensue tonight. That's how I view it.
Whatsausage wrote:TheForgivenOne wrote:crasp wrote:I am not sure how you get this as town. He seems very keen to convince us that he is now clear and claiming that power has just asked for a role block if there is one in the game.
FP Storr.
If he was Anti-town (And does have these powers), he very easily could have not said a thing about it. Then let the craziness ensue tonight. That's how I view it.
The problem I have with this thought is that he has to know this as well, and if there are trackers in the game (I tend to think there is one), he would likely be seen with 2+ kills in a single night. His visit to the deceased can be justified this way. This quickly becomes a WIFOM argument, but perhaps I am just seeing it spit out a scummy ultra because that's what I am putting in.
Maxleod wrote:Not strike, he's the only one with a functioning brain.
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