Game of Thrones Mafia 9/24 Night 6: End Game Vote 4 MVP

[boonetown]

JHDSJDFHJSDF i just wrote this wonderful long post and clicked backspace to erase a mistake, and it took me pack a page instead... I LOST IT ALL!!!!

@ betiko - basically my "ability" was put on someone last night, and it ended up on someone else. I hope that is sufficent enough information for you to understand why I think there is another type of busdriver role.

@robik - alright. you have admitted to not reading the entire thread, and this is the second time since the QT has come out as fully town that you have put scum on me. i want to make this perfectly clear... i was the FIRST one to say i wasnt comfortable with the "full town kings landing" claim, because i think bunnies is scummy. but, based on the way i'm reading the 1/5 and that i think it's out of the number of people that were in the town at the start of the game, not how many were in it when the checks happened (as that's the only way it actually makes sense since someone from KL was already dead when he got the check), i'm comfortable FOR NOW, to say it's a town qt. you should filter me, read my posts because it's obvious you havent, and if we still have a problem... come at me.

also, robik was the one who i tried to check last night... it came back on someone else though. so im currently very frustrated.

oh, in addition (because you seem to be concerned with the number of posts im making), i am not posting as often as i would like too because i have been a tad bit busy IRL and i've been trying to figure this game out. i have actual notes, which is the first time i've done notes in a forum game, and i've been more active in my QT than in this thread, for reasons i've already stated.

@zivel, can you still shoot during the day or no?

FP'd legion, charm

[boonetown]

@Betiko - I never said I was in King's Landing! I just checked and that is not in any of the text. Why in the world would I tell him that? I never said anything about sending messages at night only. This is a case of "who stole the cookie from the cookie jar!" Anyways, get your head out of my ass Betiko, I know it is a mighty fine ass but you barking in the wrong hole! The only reason you are not on my hit list any longer is that Crasp really wanted you to stay. So, either he had a completely wrong read on you too, or you're town. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt.

@Everyone - I am done defending myself, I've done it until I'm blue in the face. I am going scum hunting, so stop wasting my time!

have you not been scum hunting prior to this post?

[IAmRobik]

JHDSJDFHJSDF i just wrote this wonderful long post and clicked backspace to erase a mistake, and it took me pack a page instead... I LOST IT ALL!!!!

@ betiko - basically my "ability" was put on someone last night, and it ended up on someone else. I hope that is sufficent enough information for you to understand why I think there is another type of busdriver role.

@robik - alright. you have admitted to not reading the entire thread, and this is the second time since the QT has come out as fully town that you have put scum on me. i want to make this perfectly clear... i was the FIRST one to say i wasnt comfortable with the "full town kings landing" claim, because i think bunnies is scummy. but, based on the way i'm reading the 1/5 and that i think it's out of the number of people that were in the town at the start of the game, not how many were in it when the checks happened (as that's the only way it actually makes sense since someone from KL was already dead when he got the check), i'm comfortable FOR NOW, to say it's a town qt. you should filter me, read my posts because it's obvious you havent, and if we still have a problem... come at me.

also, robik was the one who i tried to check last night... it came back on someone else though. so im currently very frustrated.

oh, in addition (because you seem to be concerned with the number of posts im making), i am not posting as often as i would like too because i have been a tad bit busy IRL and i've been trying to figure this game out. i have actual notes, which is the first time i've done notes in a forum game, and i've been more active in my QT than in this thread, for reasons i've already stated.

@zivel, can you still shoot during the day or no?

FP'd legion, charm

What do your checks report back? What are you claiming as your ability?

Also, I feel comfortable claiming now that I do have .5KP each night that I can use. I used .5kp on legion. Based off of his claims that he has used up 1.5life, that means that he would have have .5 left and I took that .5, so he should be dead. Or he has some bp too, but like, that's so absurd and unreasonable.

I will be shooting him again tonight barring any changes. If his claim is true, he should still be alive for ANOTHER day after that.

[IAmRobik]

JHDSJDFHJSDF i just wrote this wonderful long post and clicked backspace to erase a mistake, and it took me pack a page instead... I LOST IT ALL!!!!

@ betiko - basically my "ability" was put on someone last night, and it ended up on someone else. I hope that is sufficent enough information for you to understand why I think there is another type of busdriver role.

@robik - alright. you have admitted to not reading the entire thread, and this is the second time since the QT has come out as fully town that you have put scum on me. i want to make this perfectly clear... i was the FIRST one to say i wasnt comfortable with the "full town kings landing" claim, because i think bunnies is scummy. but, based on the way i'm reading the 1/5 and that i think it's out of the number of people that were in the town at the start of the game, not how many were in it when the checks happened (as that's the only way it actually makes sense since someone from KL was already dead when he got the check), i'm comfortable FOR NOW, to say it's a town qt. you should filter me, read my posts because it's obvious you havent, and if we still have a problem... come at me.

also, robik was the one who i tried to check last night... it came back on someone else though. so im currently very frustrated.

oh, in addition (because you seem to be concerned with the number of posts im making), i am not posting as often as i would like too because i have been a tad bit busy IRL and i've been trying to figure this game out. i have actual notes, which is the first time i've done notes in a forum game, and i've been more active in my QT than in this thread, for reasons i've already stated.

@zivel, can you still shoot during the day or no?

FP'd legion, charm

The other check came back 1/5 in braavos too, but there are more than 5 people alivei n braavos, so what you're saying makes no sense.
What do you mean by "the check came back on someone else"
You tried to do something to me and the result was "not robik did/is so and so"?

[legionnare]

JHDSJDFHJSDF i just wrote this wonderful long post and clicked backspace to erase a mistake, and it took me pack a page instead... I LOST IT ALL!!!!

@ betiko - basically my "ability" was put on someone last night, and it ended up on someone else. I hope that is sufficent enough information for you to understand why I think there is another type of busdriver role.

@robik - alright. you have admitted to not reading the entire thread, and this is the second time since the QT has come out as fully town that you have put scum on me. i want to make this perfectly clear... i was the FIRST one to say i wasnt comfortable with the "full town kings landing" claim, because i think bunnies is scummy. but, based on the way i'm reading the 1/5 and that i think it's out of the number of people that were in the town at the start of the game, not how many were in it when the checks happened (as that's the only way it actually makes sense since someone from KL was already dead when he got the check), i'm comfortable FOR NOW, to say it's a town qt. you should filter me, read my posts because it's obvious you havent, and if we still have a problem... come at me.

also, robik was the one who i tried to check last night... it came back on someone else though. so im currently very frustrated.

oh, in addition (because you seem to be concerned with the number of posts im making), i am not posting as often as i would like too because i have been a tad bit busy IRL and i've been trying to figure this game out. i have actual notes, which is the first time i've done notes in a forum game, and i've been more active in my QT than in this thread, for reasons i've already stated.

@zivel, can you still shoot during the day or no?

FP'd legion, charm

What do your checks report back? What are you claiming as your ability?

Also, I feel comfortable claiming now that I do have .5KP each night that I can use. I used .5kp on legion. Based off of his claims that he has used up 1.5life, that means that he would have have .5 left and I took that .5, so he should be dead. Or he has some bp too, but like, that's so absurd and unreasonable.

I will be shooting him again tonight barring any changes. If his claim is true, he should still be alive for ANOTHER day after that.

I don't know if you taking off .5 would eliminate my BP or not, it may be that another one would kill I'm unsure how the mechanic works in relation to my abilities draining my life.

[IAmRobik]

Charm, I haven't read all of your posts but I don't think you've mentioned neb in any recent ones. Why are you voting him?

Also, I highly suggest people to unvote legion and find another target. I will take care of legion eventually, otherwise i would have wasted one of my night actions already. Although I guess if I have to shoot him 2 more times, it's worth it to just lynch him and I start slowly killing someone else.

Would love input on the above.
Also still would love people to say who their top 2 scum are and top 2 town.

[IAmRobik]

JHDSJDFHJSDF i just wrote this wonderful long post and clicked backspace to erase a mistake, and it took me pack a page instead... I LOST IT ALL!!!!

@ betiko - basically my "ability" was put on someone last night, and it ended up on someone else. I hope that is sufficent enough information for you to understand why I think there is another type of busdriver role.

@robik - alright. you have admitted to not reading the entire thread, and this is the second time since the QT has come out as fully town that you have put scum on me. i want to make this perfectly clear... i was the FIRST one to say i wasnt comfortable with the "full town kings landing" claim, because i think bunnies is scummy. but, based on the way i'm reading the 1/5 and that i think it's out of the number of people that were in the town at the start of the game, not how many were in it when the checks happened (as that's the only way it actually makes sense since someone from KL was already dead when he got the check), i'm comfortable FOR NOW, to say it's a town qt. you should filter me, read my posts because it's obvious you havent, and if we still have a problem... come at me.

also, robik was the one who i tried to check last night... it came back on someone else though. so im currently very frustrated.

oh, in addition (because you seem to be concerned with the number of posts im making), i am not posting as often as i would like too because i have been a tad bit busy IRL and i've been trying to figure this game out. i have actual notes, which is the first time i've done notes in a forum game, and i've been more active in my QT than in this thread, for reasons i've already stated.

@zivel, can you still shoot during the day or no?

FP'd legion, charm

What do your checks report back? What are you claiming as your ability?

Also, I feel comfortable claiming now that I do have .5KP each night that I can use. I used .5kp on legion. Based off of his claims that he has used up 1.5life, that means that he would have have .5 left and I took that .5, so he should be dead. Or he has some bp too, but like, that's so absurd and unreasonable.

I will be shooting him again tonight barring any changes. If his claim is true, he should still be alive for ANOTHER day after that.

I don't know if you taking off .5 would eliminate my BP or not, it may be that another one would kill I'm unsure how the mechanic works in relation to my abilities draining my life.

well based off of your claim, you should be at .5. With my shot you should be at 0.

[betiko]

@Betiko you already summed up my claim pretty accurately:
I can track and watch, either/or each night
I have 1BP
@Neb yes it's a very powerful hence why I am now down to being a VT. As I use the abilities it drains me, I started with 2 life, each use uses .5 life, I have used them 3 times if I use it a 4th time I die before I can report the results.
Again the 3 uses:
N1 watched crasp, saw player Q visit
N2 tracked player Q saw them visit Pershy
N3 wasted it watching Betiko's back as he was the obvious Mafia hit target, suspicious to me that no-one went for him. Should have gone back to watching crasp then I would have had a killer to offer you all.

As for Robik, if it's a slow kill method I don't know if it will kill me or not.

I've said it before and will keep saying it Player Q's (formerly x as per Epitaph's request) name will go with me to the grave as it is most likely a protective/RB role and your pushing for the name Betiko seems very scummy to me. What does it matter, if I name them they are dead, so why would they confirm to save me now that I am merely a VT. FOS

FP'd by charm

Are you melissandre? I can t really see which character from the show could fit with such power.
So now it s Q and he has nothing to do with my X while your whole defense was that you had tracked and watched X? What makes you think the Q you ve been tracking and watching has a protective or RB town role? What evidence do you have other than people not dying after his visits?
Also, I thought that according to you visiting someone meant to have a chat with him and knowing his/her alignment?
It really feels like you are desperately trying to grab a last branch to save your ass. So conviniently, you can track, you can watch, you can bulletproof but you can t prove any of this anymore?

Fp 1 million time

[betiko]

@Betiko - I never said I was in King's Landing! I just checked and that is not in any of the text. Why in the world would I tell him that? I never said anything about sending messages at night only. This is a case of "who stole the cookie from the cookie jar!" Anyways, get your head out of my ass Betiko, I know it is a mighty fine ass but you barking in the wrong hole! The only reason you are not on my hit list any longer is that Crasp really wanted you to stay. So, either he had a completely wrong read on you too, or you're town. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt.

@Everyone - I am done defending myself, I've done it until I'm blue in the face. I am going scum hunting, so stop wasting my time!

Picture or it didn't happen!

More seriously; why would a confirmed town tell us that you told him you were in king s landing and that you were talking to jak/rubik on day 3?

[IAmRobik]

Quick thought:

My first impression when reading my role was that there would be another .5kp town vigi. If so, it might be wise for me to announce my shots beforehand and then have that person put their .5kp on the same person as me.

That's why I said earlier that my role might be completely useless cause I thought there might be a scenario where the .5kp didn't transfer through to the next day and I would have to stack kp with someone else simultaneously. Although, with legion outing his role the way he did, the .5kp makes a tad more sense that both town and mafia might have some life-reducing mechanics that make my .5kp more important.

[betiko]

Charm, I haven't read all of your posts but I don't think you've mentioned neb in any recent ones. Why are you voting him?

Also, I highly suggest people to unvote legion and find another target. I will take care of legion eventually, otherwise i would have wasted one of my night actions already. Although I guess if I have to shoot him 2 more times, it's worth it to just lynch him and I start slowly killing someone else.

Would love input on the above.
Also still would love people to say who their top 2 scum are and top 2 town.

My vote doesn t count and I think I m the only one voting legion so it won t change much.

My top town reads are strike, mud puppy, boone and neb
My top scum reads (including third parties) are legion, zivel, charm, pretender and you.

[legionnare]

@Betiko you already summed up my claim pretty accurately:
I can track and watch, either/or each night
I have 1BP
@Neb yes it's a very powerful hence why I am now down to being a VT. As I use the abilities it drains me, I started with 2 life, each use uses .5 life, I have used them 3 times if I use it a 4th time I die before I can report the results.
Again the 3 uses:
N1 watched crasp, saw player Q visit
N2 tracked player Q saw them visit Pershy
N3 wasted it watching Betiko's back as he was the obvious Mafia hit target, suspicious to me that no-one went for him. Should have gone back to watching crasp then I would have had a killer to offer you all.

As for Robik, if it's a slow kill method I don't know if it will kill me or not.

I've said it before and will keep saying it Player Q's (formerly x as per Epitaph's request) name will go with me to the grave as it is most likely a protective/RB role and your pushing for the name Betiko seems very scummy to me. What does it matter, if I name them they are dead, so why would they confirm to save me now that I am merely a VT. FOS

FP'd by charm

Are you melissandre? I can t really see which character from the show could fit with such power.
So now it s Q and he has nothing to do with my X while your whole defense was that you had tracked and watched X? What makes you think the Q you ve been tracking and watching has a protective or RB town role? What evidence do you have other than people not dying after his visits?
Also, I thought that according to you visiting someone meant to have a chat with him and knowing his/her alignment?
It really feels like you are desperately trying to grab a last branch to save your ass. So conviniently, you can track, you can watch, you can bulletproof but you can t prove any of this anymore?

Fp 1 million time

No I'm not Melissandre, I already stated that the person I tracked was different after your reveal. My thinking was the whole RB arguement going on, Pershy was the Mafia RB perhaps Q is the Town one as their was 2 RB's. Protection I already stated, crasp already outed his role in D1 and I stated that it was likely that Q thought the same as me and sought to protect him.
The whole visiting and chat, learning their alignment was taken from your theory that whoever x visited would be the Anti in that city.
My proof will come don't you worry and you'll have a lot of backtracking to do I assure you.

[StorrZerg]

Day 4 Voting ends 7/11 16:00 cc time
Roughly 26 hours

Charm(1): Epitaph1, SeriousCowKing
SeriousCowKing (2): pancakemix, Nebuchadnezer
legionnare (0): Zivel, betiko
pretender77 (1): Zivel
Nebuchadnezer (1): charm

Currently SeriousCowKing is set to be lynched.

People who have yet to cast vote. (11)
27ninjabunnies , boonetown, pretender77, legionnare, jwiedlin, Epitaph1, Army of God, charm, Strike Wolf, Nebuchadnezer, MudPuppy

[IAmRobik]

Charm, I haven't read all of your posts but I don't think you've mentioned neb in any recent ones. Why are you voting him?

Also, I highly suggest people to unvote legion and find another target. I will take care of legion eventually, otherwise i would have wasted one of my night actions already. Although I guess if I have to shoot him 2 more times, it's worth it to just lynch him and I start slowly killing someone else.

Would love input on the above.
Also still would love people to say who their top 2 scum are and top 2 town.

My vote doesn t count and I think I m the only one voting legion so it won t change much.

My top town reads are strike, mud puppy, boone and neb
My top scum reads (including third parties) are legion, zivel, charm, pretender and you.

If it makes you feel better, my scum reads are pretty similar to yours:
legion, zivel (3p), pretender

I also lean scummy on cowking and kinda on boone because I expect much more from her. She's being super shady this game and it bothers the f*ck out of me. She is usually very blunt and tells you exactly what she's thinking. I might be incorrect, but when she was medic in her first game, she was way more nervous but way more active. These are qualities that I'm not seeing from her since I joined the game. She's cryptic and aloof and doesn't seem to care.

[IAmRobik]

Oh, I also think I thought PCM was scummy, but I don't remember why anymore.

[strike wolf]

I am just going to admit it. I have been a bit on the quiet side right now because I can't quite wrap my head around this day and how it has gone so far. Without better information on the table though, I do have to wonder why a confirmed townie would lie about something his communicating partner said. I mean there are a few small things. Crasp could have had a lyncher sub-mechanic to his role. Right now no evidence to support that. Crasp could have misinterpreted something that Charm said. Maybe but the chance seems slim. Crasp was telling the truth and charm lied for some reason or another. This still seems strange to me but it makes more sense than any other solution. For now, I will ##Vote Charm in the voting thread until more information becomes available.

I am not sure what to think of SCK. His reasoning is all over the place. A bit of it makes sense but most of it appears to be little more than pure non-sense. I would probably rank him second on my lynching order right now. Subject to change based on how Charm would flip.

I am also starting to think Zivel is scum or third party not town. The investigation immunity just doesn't make much sense from a town perspective.

KL seems like all town to me. Both in behavior and by confirmation. For one thing, the chances that both Pershy and Ninjas would be scum buddies is slim to none and I've had a town read on Boone so far.

[legionnare]

JHDSJDFHJSDF i just wrote this wonderful long post and clicked backspace to erase a mistake, and it took me pack a page instead... I LOST IT ALL!!!!

@ betiko - basically my "ability" was put on someone last night, and it ended up on someone else. I hope that is sufficent enough information for you to understand why I think there is another type of busdriver role.

@robik - alright. you have admitted to not reading the entire thread, and this is the second time since the QT has come out as fully town that you have put scum on me. i want to make this perfectly clear... i was the FIRST one to say i wasnt comfortable with the "full town kings landing" claim, because i think bunnies is scummy. but, based on the way i'm reading the 1/5 and that i think it's out of the number of people that were in the town at the start of the game, not how many were in it when the checks happened (as that's the only way it actually makes sense since someone from KL was already dead when he got the check), i'm comfortable FOR NOW, to say it's a town qt. you should filter me, read my posts because it's obvious you havent, and if we still have a problem... come at me.

also, robik was the one who i tried to check last night... it came back on someone else though. so im currently very frustrated.

oh, in addition (because you seem to be concerned with the number of posts im making), i am not posting as often as i would like too because i have been a tad bit busy IRL and i've been trying to figure this game out. i have actual notes, which is the first time i've done notes in a forum game, and i've been more active in my QT than in this thread, for reasons i've already stated.

@zivel, can you still shoot during the day or no?

FP'd legion, charm

What do your checks report back? What are you claiming as your ability?

Also, I feel comfortable claiming now that I do have .5KP each night that I can use. I used .5kp on legion. Based off of his claims that he has used up 1.5life, that means that he would have have .5 left and I took that .5, so he should be dead. Or he has some bp too, but like, that's so absurd and unreasonable.

I will be shooting him again tonight barring any changes. If his claim is true, he should still be alive for ANOTHER day after that.

I don't know if you taking off .5 would eliminate my BP or not, it may be that another one would kill I'm unsure how the mechanic works in relation to my abilities draining my life.

well based off of your claim, you should be at .5. With my shot you should be at 0.

True, then perhaps my BP has been used then. Go read our City QT about my proposition before you decide to target me again. You make a good point about your role being more powerful if some have abilities that drain life as you would grow in power as the game went on and people drained their own life.
FP'd by Strike/Robik and Storr

[jwiedlin]

Legion shouldn't be lynched for obvious reasons

If it makes you feel better, my scum reads are pretty similar to yours:
legion, zivel (3p), pretender

Robik, can you clarify your stance on legion for us?

I'm most suspicious of pretender personally.

Neb, what is your opinion about pretender? You had asked if he had outed his city. I don't think he has. He wasn't on your scum list, so what makes you think he is town?

Regarding the comments on charm; Crasp is not here to clarify if charm actually claimed to be in KL. I'm willing to accept the possibility that crasp misunderstood the conversation, which would leave charm no proof to defend herself. I don't think crasp had any reason to lie about charm's comments.

[IAmRobik]

Legion shouldn't be lynched for obvious reasons

If it makes you feel better, my scum reads are pretty similar to yours:
legion, zivel (3p), pretender

Robik, can you clarify your stance on legion for us?

I'm most suspicious of pretender personally.

Neb, what is your opinion about pretender? You had asked if he had outed his city. I don't think he has. He wasn't on your scum list, so what makes you think he is town?

Regarding the comments on charm; Crasp is not here to clarify if charm actually claimed to be in KL. I'm willing to accept the possibility that crasp misunderstood the conversation, which would leave charm no proof to defend herself. I don't think crasp had any reason to lie about charm's comments.

Well I had put .5kp on him. Now he's claiming that I might need to put another full kp on him to kill him, which would be 2 nights, which would take too long, so I might need to reconsider that. It didn't seem prudent to lynch someone who I had half killed, but if I still need to kill him fully then it might be too long and I might just want to find another target.

[IAmRobik]

The thing that confuses me the most about Charms lies are that they are fully verifiable, so why the f*ck lie. Well maybe the one about being in QT with me, if we both deny it, but the reasoning for her to lie just doesn't make any sense to me. I don't see any mafia or town motive behind it. The only thing that I could potentially see is that Varys and Littlefinger are supposed to sabotage each other? But Littlefinger was town, so that doesn't make too much sense. Or maybe she has a condition that she has to lie about stuff in her rolepm? NOTHING ABOUT IT MAKES ANY SENSE TO ME! 1) she clearly wasn't the only person where she was, so clearly that would be snuffed out real quick 2) i would have no reason to lie about being in a qt with her. Even if we're mafia together, I'd admit to being in a QT with her, because that doesn't mean anything to anyone!asdfn oaiosdfgnsdognasio;dfn aio;sdnf sdfngo; sinefasio;n aio;sdfn io;asd;fixcfgo; hiaso;oiasdghsd

[betiko]

I am just going to admit it. I have been a bit on the quiet side right now because I can't quite wrap my head around this day and how it has gone so far. Without better information on the table though, I do have to wonder why a confirmed townie would lie about something his communicating partner said. I mean there are a few small things. Crasp could have had a lyncher sub-mechanic to his role. Right now no evidence to support that. Crasp could have misinterpreted something that Charm said. Maybe but the chance seems slim. Crasp was telling the truth and charm lied for some reason or another. This still seems strange to me but it makes more sense than any other solution. For now, I will ##Vote Charm in the voting thread until more information becomes available.

I am not sure what to think of SCK. His reasoning is all over the place. A bit of it makes sense but most of it appears to be little more than pure non-sense. I would probably rank him second on my lynching order right now. Subject to change based on how Charm would flip.

I am also starting to think Zivel is scum or third party not town. The investigation immunity just doesn't make much sense from a town perspective.

KL seems like all town to me. Both in behavior and by confirmation. For one thing, the chances that both Pershy and Ninjas would be scum buddies is slim to none and I've had a town read on Boone so far.

to tell the truth.... crasp was obsessed with charm in our thread and was half ignoring the whole pershy conversation. I was starting to have my doubts about him, also he would tell just bribes of his conversations with charm... the whole littlefinger/varys relationship was very strange to say the least.
It is 100% sure he said that charm told him she was king's landing; but of course I have no proof as it could've been a missinterpretation. How the hell can he missinterpretate the fact that he says she told hilm she had started talking to jak too though?

[pancakemix]

@Everyone - I am done defending myself, I've done it until I'm blue in the face. I am going scum hunting, so stop wasting my time!

This is actually why you're likely to get lynched. Shouting "I QUIT" loses you far more favor than actually arguing your points might. I don't think you're terribly scummy, but stuff like this does you no favors.

I really dislike the extent to which pretender is pushing zivel. It's a lot of weaksauce stuff and at this point, kind of a waste of time. I've been leery of his push on Zivel ever since his "convenience" post that I pointed out. I don't really know that I think he's scum though. Call it a hunch that he isn't.

Also, Robik, Boone, and bunnies all need avvys. I can never tell them apart...

FP'd: If charm said something to jak then Robik should know what it is. If he doesn't, then that's something that needs sorted and Robik should inquire with the mod about it.

[MudPuppy]

It is 100% sure he said that charm told him she was king's landing; but of course I have no proof as it could've been a missinterpretation. How the hell can he missinterpretate the fact that he says she told hilm she had started talking to jak too though?

This.

First, I've been waiting for a better understanding of the cities before outing my location. One never came but I see little benefit in keeping it secret any longer. I'm in Braavos.

I've been pretty chatty in the QT lately and quiet here after announcing I'd do just the opposite for fear that all scum would be listening to the QT but only a fraction of town. But once Robik joined the game, the QT got pretty lively.

Just yesterday I was willing to give charm the benefit of the doubt as I could see her location "lie" as being a misinterpretation or an assumption by crasp that charm opted not to correct. The Jak/Robik QT "lie" is not so easily explained.

A charm flip one way or the other would give us a good bit of info and the evidence of her lying is pretty strong... That combined with her "I'm done defending myself" statement is pretty scummy. ##Vote charm.

[IAmRobik]

Legion pretty much offered himself up to be killed by Zivel in our QT. Unless he's able to take people with him to the grave (suicide bomber style based off who's voting him or something like that) then I lean town on him.

[Army of GOD]

Ok, so I'm going to come out and ##vote Zivel, unless someone is able to convince me how not being checkable aids the town at all. We've all been pretty suspicious of him all game anyway, so this isn't coming too far from left field.

Also, Charm is pretty god damn scummy, but I have no idea what to make of any of it.