Game of Thrones Mafia 9/24 Night 6: End Game Vote 4 MVP

[betiko]

There is only 4. Hotshot and IB died.

As far as why both Jonty and Hotshot died. It was never brought up in QT but it seems like it might bealover recruiter type mechanic.

3/4 alive known 5/6 total is what I meant.

How does the lover recruiter mechanic works?
Also, was there/is there a maergery spy in each city as the scene suggested?

[SiriusCowKing]

go back to first post, jonty was in storms end.

[pretender77]

reagarding pershy @betiko.- He is not someone who is gonna post a load of posts, but when he does they are usually succinct and helpful HOWEVER, not posting much leaves him susceptible to mistakes in the few posts that he does post..I think this pershy case is compelling.

[betiko]

go back to first post, jonty was in storms end.

How is this answering my question cowking? This has nothing to do and of course I know where he was, I suggest you go back and check maergery s role in detail.

Pershy i suggest you claim fast in case someone was not to trust in the info we got in the dread fort.

[crasp]

Sorry people been up to my neck in work. I will confirm what betiko says. there is something really fishy about Pershy. This is the reason I am voting Pershy I had no suspicions until this.
Have i missed something. Whats all this 4th July nonsense everybody seems to be busy with.

[Army of GOD]

Perchy, I am glad to know you are indeed from king s landing as it adds up. As the brits would say, I have strong reasons to believe you are "the only scum in the village" after an information that filtrated in our town. We have basically been told that there is only one anti town in king s landing and that it is most likely perchy. While I can t be sure the information is correct since we cannot verify the source, it seems like a pretty legit lead.

ok thanks for sharing - I had kinda figured there would probably be at least 1 scum in King's Landing - that's why I haven't been very forthcoming there in my chat. But why do you suspect me?
Anyway - I'm not sure who I suspect most in KL, there are a couple that are on my "town" list, but difficult to tell who could be scum, although ninja would probably get my vote.
Glad we've got the extension, gives a bit more time to make an informed decision.

I can't tell you who, but someone got information from the outside talking to player X who visits cities and gets to know how many antitown are in there (he visited king's landing night 2), player Y tracked the same player X night 2 and the result was that he visited you pershy. There was a result of 1 antitown in king's landing. Now out of the 4 players alive in king's landing, why did the result come up as player X visiting pershy? You confirmed that player X indeed visited king's landing by admitting you were part of that town and I think it's our best lead today.

I don't understand this. Does player x visit cities or players?

[betiko]

Player X visits cities. Player Y didn t know that and tracked player X last night. He asked him today why did he visit pershy. Player X said he couldn t visit players but cities, and he went to king s landing last night, where he learnt that there was just 1 antitown there. Player Y says he double checked with storr to see if there was no mistake and storr confirmed.
So this isn t sure to work, but we decided to make some further checks in here. No one knew if pershy was from king s landing, so I came in the thread to ask him if this was true. Had he not been from king s landing our reasoning would ve been bogus.
But the theory is that when player X visits cities to find antitown, he visits the antitown themselves. Had he found 2 antitown in king s landing, and player Y had seen him visit only one person we couldn t have jumped to this conclusion.

As you can see, this is not a sure thing, but there is at the very least 1/4 chances that pershy is antitown in the first place, so adding up this strange night 2 results combined of player X and Y, this definitely sounds like the best case of the day.

Pershy has the chance to come up with a good convincing claim now, but given all the votes piled up on him and the little time left he d better do it fast and remember what happened to mtam.

[legionnare]

Hmmm.. so they are talking about what night actions where performed by who in your city thread then? That's the only way I can think of that you would know so much about what is going on.
I'm willing to believe what you say about what happened, can't think of a reason why you would tell such a big lie. It is a big assumption that whoever player x talks to is the anti-town, why would the anti reveal him/herself to someone unknown? I think it more likely that player x would talk to someone of the same alignment to get that info - but even that doesn't add up as how would the person s/he talked know who was who within the city?
By your wording I would think that player x is Lord Varys?

[betiko]

Hmmm.. so they are talking about what night actions where performed by who in your city thread then? That's the only way I can think of that you would know so much about what is going on.
I'm willing to believe what you say about what happened, can't think of a reason why you would tell such a big lie. It is a big assumption that whoever player x talks to is the anti-town, why would the anti reveal him/herself to someone unknown? I think it more likely that player x would talk to someone of the same alignment to get that info - but even that doesn't add up as how would the person s/he talked know who was who within the city?
By your wording I would think that player x is Lord Varys?

Yes, this is obviously the result of discussions in our city thread I already made it clear.
And No you didn t get it. Player X claims he is town and that his power is to visit one city per night and he gets as a result the amount of antitown living in it. He does not talk to people in the cities he visits, you just made that up. Who player X s character is is none of your business, I don t know it either and I don t need to know. He had no reason to tell all this.

[pancakemix]

Well, it's certainly worth testing. ##Unvote ##Vote Pershy

What do we do if this ends up not being the truth? Or, perhaps a better question, what do we do if it ends up being true?

[strike wolf]

If it is true I plan to discuss what next with the rest of Kings Landing. I wont reveal everything as there could still be a mistake, like I wont say my role. If it isnt true, I will reveal thenames of any unclaimed KLers and make my case as to which I think is scummy. In that case, I have to think that your informant is scum.

Lover recruiter would be like a mason recruiter except that the people they recruit die if they do. That is my theory anyways. I am just making an educated guess as I have never actually encountered this role before.

[betiko]

If it is true I plan to discuss what next with the rest of Kings Landing. I wont reveal everything as there could still be a mistake, like I wont say my role. If it isnt true, I will reveal thenames of any unclaimed KLers and make my case as to which I think is scummy. In that case, I have to think that your informant is scum.

Lover recruiter would be like a mason recruiter except that the people they recruit die if they do. That is my theory anyways. I am just making an educated guess as I have never actually encountered this role before.

If pershy ends up being scum or an anti town third party, then it will be pretty likely that king s landing will become 100% town.

Isn t lover something where if one dies the other one dies? The title of the day is "did he bang her?" I admit I would have to look back, but from what I understood maergery had to marry the 3 baratheon kids (tommen, joffrey and mycella). Could she marry stannis baratheon too though? Could it be that maergery got targeted and stannis died for being her lover?
Also can all town win together or are there some internal fights for power? People like jak seem to be quite interested in power..

[crasp]

Hmmm.. so they are talking about what night actions where performed by who in your city thread then? That's the only way I can think of that you would know so much about what is going on.
I'm willing to believe what you say about what happened, can't think of a reason why you would tell such a big lie. It is a big assumption that whoever player x talks to is the anti-town, why would the anti reveal him/herself to someone unknown? I think it more likely that player x would talk to someone of the same alignment to get that info - but even that doesn't add up as how would the person s/he talked know who was who within the city?
By your wording I would think that player x is Lord Varys?

I cant see player x lying as it was so easy to check. kind of been through that in the city. Not saying he isnt. just cant think why. strange one though but so is everything else in this game.

[SiriusCowKing]

Looking at the vote thread, pershy is in deep trouble. Maybe the mod should prompt him so he comes here and get up to speed.

[Nebuchadnezer]

From what I understand, charm said she has been rolebocked in night 1 and not in night 2, while we had only 1 kill in night 1 and 2 kills in night 2. Not sure what her role is, but she has killing powers and I don't think she is a vigilante, vote Charm.

How do you know she has killing powers?

Perchy, I am glad to know you are indeed from king s landing as it adds up. As the brits would say, I have strong reasons to believe you are "the only scum in the village" after an information that filtrated in our town. We have basically been told that there is only one anti town in king s landing and that it is most likely perchy. While I can t be sure the information is correct since we cannot verify the source, it seems like a pretty legit lead.

ok thanks for sharing - I had kinda figured there would probably be at least 1 scum in King's Landing - that's why I haven't been very forthcoming there in my chat. But why do you suspect me?
Anyway - I'm not sure who I suspect most in KL, there are a couple that are on my "town" list, but difficult to tell who could be scum, although ninja would probably get my vote.
Glad we've got the extension, gives a bit more time to make an informed decision.

I can't tell you who, but someone got information from the outside talking to player X who visits cities and gets to know how many antitown are in there (he visited king's landing night 2), player Y tracked the same player X night 2 and the result was that he visited you pershy. There was a result of 1 antitown in king's landing. Now out of the 4 players alive in king's landing, why did the result come up as player X visiting pershy? You confirmed that player X indeed visited king's landing by admitting you were part of that town and I think it's our best lead today.

I'm confused. X went to King's Landing N2. Y tracked X N2, and got that X visited Pershy. How can player X visit a city and a specific player? Something doesn't add up right about that. Okay, I've seen the explanation...seems odd to do both...and quite honestly, town has this game in the bag with these complimentary roles. The only question is...how do we keep them safe?

Will wait for Pershy's claim...let's see if get another botched effort.

[legionnare]

Hmmm.. so they are talking about what night actions where performed by who in your city thread then? That's the only way I can think of that you would know so much about what is going on.
I'm willing to believe what you say about what happened, can't think of a reason why you would tell such a big lie. It is a big assumption that whoever player x talks to is the anti-town, why would the anti reveal him/herself to someone unknown? I think it more likely that player x would talk to someone of the same alignment to get that info - but even that doesn't add up as how would the person s/he talked know who was who within the city?
By your wording I would think that player x is Lord Varys?

Yes, this is obviously the result of discussions in our city thread I already made it clear.
And No you didn t get it. Player X claims he is town At no point did you specifically mention that it was your City thread or that the player had claim town and power. and that his power is to visit one city per night and he gets as a result the amount of antitown living in it. He does not talk to people in the cities he visits, you just made that up. Nope here, your own theory:

But the theory is that when player X visits cities to find antitown, he visits the antitown themselves.

Who player X s character is is none of your business, I don t know it either and I don t need to know. He had no reason to tell all this.

As for this bit I don't care, I was speculating that someone with that power could be Lord Varys nothing more.

FP'd by Neb

[Army of GOD]

Man, so there is a big wagon against pershy from betiko's post. I'm just worried about it because it all seems extremely sketchy. But this is a big lie if its untrue and betiko is risking his own ass if its false.

Does anyone else think this could end up being a scum ruse? Improbably by on ma end up voting pershy anyway.

[betiko]

@leg: to answer your splitting hair reasoning, and just because you really struggle to understand 2 pages of discussion:

Can we get 1 day extension due to the 4th of july? It seems like too many people are absent/not active enough.

Perchy, I am glad to know you are indeed from king s landing as it adds up. As the brits would say, I have strong reasons to believe you are "the only scum in the village" after an information that filtrated in our town. We have basically been told that there is only one anti town in king s landing and that it is most likely perchy. While I can t be sure the information is correct since we cannot verify the source, it seems like a pretty legit lead. I would like to get your claim to have a better opinion of what we were told by a secret informant.

My symbolic vote goes on perchy.

Fp

regarding your second remark in big letters; where the hell is that supposed to mean that X is talking to people in king's landing???????????????????


@ neb; good remark. That's what we've been discussing about within the dread fort pretty puzzled. As I said before, Y first came up asking why did X visit pershy N2. X said he didn't, that he visited king's landing, not a specific player, as his role works like that. Y triple checked his role and double checked with storr to see if there was no error, and storr confirmed that the information he got (X visiting pershy) was correct. We are not sure of the mechanism, and X visiting a city looking for scum would likely end up with a tracking of him visiting the scum player. This is just the theory to explain the strange results within the dread fort. This is why we need pershy to show up and defend himself with a solid claim!!!

[StorrZerg]

Day 3 Voting ends 7/7 16:00 cc time
Roughly 24 hours

betiko (0): Zivel
charm (4): kgb007, Zivel, Jak111,SiriusCowKing
pretender77 (0): pancakemix
pershy (6): betiko, strike wolf, SiriusCowKing, pretender77, crasp, pancakemix, boonetown
No Lynch (0):

Currently pershy is set to be lynched.

People who have yet to cast vote. (9)
27ninjabunnies , pershy, legionnare, jwiedlin, Epitaph1, Army of God, charm, Nebuchadnezer, MudPuppy

[legionnare]

@leg: to answer your splitting hair reasoning, and just because you really struggle to understand 2 pages of discussion:

after an information that filtrated in our town.

I struggle to understand what this sentence means as it makes no sense (in terms of the English language) Did you mean in informant in your town? Or information filtered into your town from another source?

regarding your second remark in big letters; where the hell is that supposed to mean that X is talking to people in king's landing?????????????????

"he visits the antitown themselves" would generally suggest that he meets the anti-town, if you meet someone you at least know who they are or even share few words with them.

[StorrZerg]

A request to replace from jak111, replacement is IAmRobik

[betiko]

@leg: to answer your splitting hair reasoning, and just because you really struggle to understand 2 pages of discussion:

after an information that filtrated in our town.

I struggle to understand what this sentence means as it makes no sense (in terms of the English language) Did you mean in informant in your town? Or information filtered into your town from another source?

regarding your second remark in big letters; where the hell is that supposed to mean that X is talking to people in king's landing?????????????????

"he visits the antitown themselves" would generally suggest that he meets the anti-town, if you meet someone you at least know who they are or even share few words with them.

1) English is not my mother language and I used a french expression that makes little sense in english.
Nevertheless, wether it s an informant from the outside of from the dread fort (irrelevant for you to know, FOS for fishing for this type of information) you seem to understand that it was something discussed in our town. So when you say that "at no point did I mention it was in our city thread" you are totally skimming.

2) If a mod tells you player A visited player B as a watcher or tracker result, you assume it means the players know each other and had a little chit chat during the night? How can you jump to this conclusion?

Fp

[charm]

All of this seems to be making sense since KL was visited and information came forward on player X and Y.
I will put my vote on Pershy, he has a day to tell us why not to vote for him.

Player X visits cities. Player Y didn t know that and tracked player X last night. He asked him today why did he visit pershy. Player X said he couldn t visit players but cities, and he went to king s landing last night, where he learnt that there was just 1 antitown there. Player Y says he double checked with storr to see if there was no mistake and storr confirmed.
So this isn t sure to work, but we decided to make some further checks in here. No one knew if pershy was from king s landing, so I came in the thread to ask him if this was true. Had he not been from king s landing our reasoning would ve been bogus.
But the theory is that when player X visits cities to find antitown, he visits the antitown themselves. Had he found 2 antitown in king s landing, and player Y had seen him visit only one person we couldn t have jumped to this conclusion.

As you can see, this is not a sure thing, but there is at the very least 1/4 chances that pershy is antitown in the first place, so adding up this strange night 2 results combined of player X and Y, this definitely sounds like the best case of the day.

Pershy has the chance to come up with a good convincing claim now, but given all the votes piled up on him and the little time left he d better do it fast and remember what happened to mtam.

[Nebuchadnezer]

@leg: to answer your splitting hair reasoning, and just because you really struggle to understand 2 pages of discussion:

after an information that filtrated in our town.

I struggle to understand what this sentence means as it makes no sense (in terms of the English language) Did you mean in informant in your town? Or information filtered into your town from another source?

regarding your second remark in big letters; where the hell is that supposed to mean that X is talking to people in king's landing?????????????????

"he visits the antitown themselves" would generally suggest that he meets the anti-town, if you meet someone you at least know who they are or even share few words with them.

FOS Legionnaire...rolefishing?

[pretender77]

@leg: to answer your splitting hair reasoning, and just because you really struggle to understand 2 pages of discussion:

after an information that filtrated in our town.

I struggle to understand what this sentence means as it makes no sense (in terms of the English language) Did you mean in informant in your town? Or information filtered into your town from another source?

regarding your second remark in big letters; where the hell is that supposed to mean that X is talking to people in king's landing?????????????????

"he visits the antitown themselves" would generally suggest that he meets the anti-town, if you meet someone you at least know who they are or even share few words with them.

FOS Legionnaire...rolefishing?

nah, he is just trying to understand the dynamics of betiko