The Village of Secrets [GAME OVER] Werewolves Win!

[MudPuppy]

Although I think by rule jonty would be lynched at the end of the day. Mod, can you back this up?

Not today... only D1:

I should also mention that during Day 2 the only way for a lynch will be the complete 7 votes.

[virus90]

lets either lynch jonty or shut up about it. i have not been one of the guys upporting the lynch. but the whole day 2 it has been about jonty and not much more. so in order to get something out of day 3 we should agree to either lynch him today or shut up about him day 3 cause we currently are in the jonty tunnel in my opinion.

[HotShot53]

but by now you don't have a strong enough scum read to take a shot at someone? There are at least a couple I'd be willing to take aim at if I were the town vig.

Risk vs. Reward. Mathematically I'm much more likely to shoot town, than mafia. Let's say I was to shoot jak tonight, if he's cop, he's dead, no chance for me to say oh wait, no I don't want to shoot him. I could easily screw town's chances by shooting in the early days. I may shoot as LYLO approaches, but I'm not gonna live that long am I?

Why do you suspect jak and support jmac? To be honest, your defending jmac, whom I suspect of being scum, in addition to being defended by rishead makes you all look like a 3 person scum group...

So before I vote you because of that, I'd like to see your reasoning why jak is scummier than jmac in your opinion.

[jak111]

This is really interesting. Seems like no two people will make that final leap, everyone is dead set on who they're voting (or not voting at all).

I'm about to head out the door to give my transcripts to a local university, if nothing changes by the time I get back, you can all expect a jak page.

[StorrZerg]

can't tell if virus will put his vote on jonty now.. or wants to be the hammer vote...

I think its fair to say virus, you gain or lose nothing by pushing your vote onto Jonty, your stance is clear.
again today isn't lynch or lose obviously since a mafia is dead.

[spiesr]

and you have to understand then... whatsausage is not going to be lynched, unless you convince others to push on him...

I gave my point... IB also voted him... IB gave his point. In this game, I see no reason to try harder than I am. Stubborn fools voting Jonty will realize their mistake when he dies.

If someone doesn't join in voting for him it could be another day before that happens.

lets either lynch jonty or shut up about it. i have not been one of the guys upporting the lynch. but the whole day 2 it has been about jonty and not much more. so in order to get something out of day 3 we should agree to either lynch him today or shut up about him day 3 cause we currently are in the jonty tunnel in my opinion.

How about you help us do just that?

[Whatsausage]

and you have to understand then... whatsausage is not going to be lynched, unless you convince others to push on him...

I gave my point... IB also voted him... IB gave his point. In this game, I see no reason to try harder than I am. Stubborn fools voting Jonty will realize their mistake when he dies.

I still don't really understand your case on me past me FOS'ing you and including myself as a member of the town. And IB gave his point? His point was...

I have made my position fairly clear on Jonty and Anarch is Town in my book..

Today I believe the best lynch would be Whatsausge as well though Virus is on my radar as well. His list post raised eyebrows and he has not answered about his comment on the games he has played with Stor. No one seems interested in Virus at the moment and we need a consensus.

vote whatsausage

He doesn't even talk about me in his post beyond saying I would be the best lynch today.

Storr, or spiesr, or someone, give me a reason to vote out jonty. He seems like the only candidate we have enough time for today, but I am hesitant to lynch a claimed vig with little reason to believe otherwise. While you'd think the scum would target him the first night with that claim if he is not among them, I think it is just as likely that they kept him around for an "easy" lynch today. It hasn't worked out yet, but it really has turned into jonty or no one. And there is always the possibility that he was targeted for a kill and was saved, so the scum do fear him. While I want to lean towards no lynch over our possible vig, it is seeming like we won't be able to learn much while jonty is still alive and being tunneled... and if he has said himself that he is not really any different than a VT... Maybe it is worth sacrificing him for information....

[StorrZerg]

He is never going to shoot
he might as well have claimed vt
he has accepted his fate
he is not wanting to live
Voting him will secure yourself being alive and not being lynched (easy obvious selfish reason)
For actual reasons, maybe read the thread. If you disagree with ALL actual reasons given, then maybe you should see something, or pick one and go for it if it makes sense to you.


As for claim, lets pretend mafia never fake claim, wait they do so thats stupid. Can he save people? No, Can he check people?

Scum wouldn't target jonty if jonty is town n1. Why would they? (as i've said before) With the claims, they could and probably went after someone that a. looked far more town. b. tried to hunt a power role of protection or investigation. Why bother killing someone who has no intention of using their power, and is basically just "vt" at that point.

NO lynch is terrible, we won't learn anything.


whatsausage, make up your mind. If you don't like the jonty lynch, then pushon jmac

@jonty, your vote on jak is a waste. Great if you think he is the scum sure push him hard and make sure to leave that as your dying breath
How ever it just looks like you don't even give a crap out living right now, which just reinforces my desire to have you hanged.

[virus90]

vote jonty

we definately get more out of a lynch then a no lynch. hope we are right

[pancakemix]

Although I think by rule jonty would be lynched at the end of the day. Mod, can you back this up?

Not today... only D1:

I should also mention that during Day 2 the only way for a lynch will be the complete 7 votes.

Thank you for that. It only makes the need to vote for jonty more urgent.

but by now you don't have a strong enough scum read to take a shot at someone? There are at least a couple I'd be willing to take aim at if I were the town vig.

Risk vs. Reward. Mathematically I'm much more likely to shoot town, than mafia. Let's say I was to shoot jak tonight, if he's cop, he's dead, no chance for me to say oh wait, no I don't want to shoot him. I could easily screw town's chances by shooting in the early days. I may shoot as LYLO approaches, but I'm not gonna live that long am I?

Why would you approach that kind of thing mathematically? Why not make judgements on who to kill rather than play numbers? If you shot jak tonight and he was a cop, then he shouldn't have played scummy. Except no one else thinks that he's scummy, so you'd probably take heat for that.

Honestly, you sound like you're trying really hard to fake your way through why you "won't shoot" and everything else surrounding your claim.

[Anarkistsdream]

Although I think by rule jonty would be lynched at the end of the day. Mod, can you back this up?

Not today... only D1:

I should also mention that during Day 2 the only way for a lynch will be the complete 7 votes.

Thank you for that. It only makes the need to vote for jonty more urgent.

but by now you don't have a strong enough scum read to take a shot at someone? There are at least a couple I'd be willing to take aim at if I were the town vig.

Risk vs. Reward. Mathematically I'm much more likely to shoot town, than mafia. Let's say I was to shoot jak tonight, if he's cop, he's dead, no chance for me to say oh wait, no I don't want to shoot him. I could easily screw town's chances by shooting in the early days. I may shoot as LYLO approaches, but I'm not gonna live that long am I?

Why would you approach that kind of thing mathematically? Why not make judgements on who to kill rather than play numbers? If you shot jak tonight and he was a cop, then he shouldn't have played scummy. Except no one else thinks that he's scummy, so you'd probably take heat for that.

Honestly, you sound like you're trying really hard to fake your way through why you "won't shoot" and everything else surrounding your claim.

And IF he flips town, you will look mighty scummy.

[spiesr]

Storr, or spiesr, or someone, give me a reason to vote out jonty. He seems like the only candidate we have enough time for today, but I am hesitant to lynch a claimed vig with little reason to believe otherwise.

Rishead dying last night appears to give credence to the theory of there being multiple non-twon killing actions. I postulate that having a Vig in addition to that is too many kills for this game. Therefore I believe his claim to be false. The summation of his play thus far in this game has provided me no reason to alter this view.

[jak111]

Well I am back (hopefully get to know next week if I am accepted or not ). Ended up going to grandmothers to clean up a few things.

Anyway, participation is actually picking up, which is good, don't need to hound people too much. But what of the non-voters? Grow some back-bone, pick someone, give a reason and put your vote behind it. Because if Jonty flips scum and you're doing NOTHING, it paints a big target on you for potential scum as well. (I fully believe Jonty is scum and will be lynched). That being said, I dislike this bit of people flying under the radar and not voicing their opinion. What you're effectively doing, whether Jonty flips town or scum is saying you don't want the current voting to change, if you really did, you'd attempt to change it.

Jonty is now at L1. My apologies if you flip town Jonty, but to me, rishaed making a noob mistake is not that hard for me to believe. So when/if you flip scum, to me, rishaed is the one that gave it away.

[MudPuppy]

Here's where I'm at. I currently believe we have 2 mafia killing roles. I believe one was used by Non-Town Faction #2 to kill Rishaed who belongs to Non-Town Faction #1. I don't have a solid answer for why there was not a second kill last night. My initial and still current belief is that Rishaed's faction targeted Jonty and Jonty was saved by a doc. However, I appreciate the reasons stated why mafia would not want to go after such an obvious target. But I don't have another theory I feel comfortable with. I don't think Rishaed's faction held their shot. I find it highly unlikely that they targeted someone other than Jonty who was then also targeted by a doc for the save. So what happened???

If Jonty was targeted by scum then that would certainly make him appear townish. However, his D2 posts have been unsatisfying and make him appear scummish. So, I'm trying to reconcile what happened last night that would explain Jonty's scumminess. Can anyone help me with that?

Also, I don't quite fully understand the mechanics of mafia in terms of which mafia player does the killing on a certain night and how the order of actions is determined. My question is... is it possible that Rishaed was the shooter for Non-Town Faction #1 but happened to be killed by Non-Town Faction #2 before he could carry out his mission... or would the hit have been carried out by someone else from his faction, regardless?

I don't think that is a probable scenario but I'd like to know if it's possible. Mainly I'm looking for an N1 explanation I can buy for why there was only one death last night and how that explanation fits with Jonty being scum.

[StorrZerg]

jonty is other mafia faction, his buddy used kill on rish, rish mafia faction got blocked

[StorrZerg]

another theory, jonty is mafia with rish (makes more sense) rish used the kill and got blocked

other mafia faction hit rish

[MudPuppy]

jonty is other mafia faction, his buddy used kill on rish, rish mafia faction got blocked

Seems a stretch that Mafia Faction #1 had that rough of a night. A lucky kill on rishaed AND a lucky block on their shooter? It's possible but far less likely than a Jonty target with a doc save, imo.

[StorrZerg]

as far as how mafia kills work, i guess each game is different, but previous games read pms?

previous game i was in / games i've read it seems liek 1 person from mafia "submits" kills

[StorrZerg]

jonty is other mafia faction, his buddy used kill on rish, rish mafia faction got blocked

Seems a stretch that Mafia Faction #1 had that rough of a night. A lucky kill on rishaed AND a lucky block on their shooter? It's possible but far less likely than a Jonty target with a doc save, imo.

why are you assuming mafia had the lucky block?

when i said block, i meant protective could have done it, town sided or even mafia with a rb could have

[MudPuppy]

jonty is other mafia faction, his buddy used kill on rish, rish mafia faction got blocked

Seems a stretch that Mafia Faction #1 had that rough of a night. A lucky kill on rishaed AND a lucky block on their shooter? It's possible but far less likely than a Jonty target with a doc save, imo.

why are you assuming mafia had the lucky block?

when i said block, i meant protective could have done it, town sided or even mafia with a rb could have

I'm not assuming mafia had the lucky block. I'm saying it's extremely unlucky that rish's faction both got shot at (and killed) and their shooter got blocked, regardless of if it was by Town Doc, Mafia Role block, or other. Seems like an unlikely series of events.

[StorrZerg]

whats it matter i pointed out 2 situations

we 100% know a block happened, because no one has claimed bus driver...

we know jonty didn't shoot rish, because he would have claimed it...

what more do you want mud puppy

[MudPuppy]

whats it matter i pointed out 2 situations

we 100% know a block happened, because no one has claimed bus driver...

we know jonty didn't shoot rish, because he would have claimed it...

what more do you want mud puppy

It matters because what I currently believe to be the most likely set of N1 actions goes a long way toward confirming Jonty is town. I'm hesitant to unvote my stronger scum read without being convinced that there is a plausible theory that counters my belief that Jonty was targeted by scum and saved by a town doc. Your hypotheses haven't swayed me.

I agree that Jonty didn't shoot rish... and I have little reason to believe there was a bus driver... but it seems more likely that Jonty was targeted for a hit AND a save than some random player.

[spiesr]

Also, I don't quite fully understand the mechanics of mafia in terms of which mafia player does the killing on a certain night and how the order of actions is determined. My question is... is it possible that Rishaed was the shooter for Non-Town Faction #1 but happened to be killed by Non-Town Faction #2 before he could carry out his mission... or would the hit have been carried out by someone else from his faction, regardless?

That depends on the mod, so there only way to get an answer is to pm him about it.

[StorrZerg]

unless someone claims they saved jonty, it didn't happen.

Even if jonty was saved, it doesn't prove his alignment.

[StorrZerg]

lets think about it from a power role perspective.

If you are a protective role of any sort, why protect a claimed vig who was almost lynched day 1.
Chances are, we have a cop (you know this cause yoru a protective role, and it sorta makes sense. So next thing you want to do, is find someone who has hinted that they might be an investigative role. Cause chances are if you find that out, mafia may have. So you better protect that person. Lets say you can't get that hint, next step is to look for another power role. Cause lets be honest, almost anything is better than scummy looking "vig" Lets go a step further, say you couldn't get any solid reads off that, whats the next best thing? Protect the towniest fking person in your eyes. Chances are its not the scummy looking vig...



But hey, protective role can do what ever they want!, im just saying what my thoughts are on what they could have done do. Again in the list of priorities, jonty seems far lower, specially to me since i believe him to be scum...