Re: (GON 3rd game)Town wins. Day 5

by **Killuminati19** on Sun Apr 06, 2014 12:22 pm

Without coming right out and saying what my role is, those two comments do not contradict each other at all.

by **SiriusCowKing** on Sun Apr 06, 2014 12:48 pm

@mookie: Let's consider that kill would be a mafia. If no one else voted for me, I believe the answer is that only 1 mafia left didn't vote for me, so they couldn't get a quick lynch. So this means there would be 2 mafia in the list of those who voted for me.
That list is:
Kill
Gab
Mookie
Ed

TC claimed that gab was a good guy because he got targeted by a killer in night 1 and he traded gab with AFK. If gab was targeted by the SK, then gab may very well be a mafia, there is no way of knowing. Another possibility is that Ed is lying, he never got proven a townie. This could mean that joak might not be town. More than that, joak did not post anything yet, maybe he wasn't even online when they had the opportunity to quick lynch. If that's the case, then kill could even be town, which mean that the mafias could be Ed, joak, and someone else, maybe you mookie. All of this are just possibilities, and I personally think that Ed is not lying. In my mind, the mafia or most likely Kill and 2 others.

I think that 2 scenarios are the most likely ones:
1- Kill is the only mafia who voted for me, the 2 others hesitated because they didn't wanted to be all 3 in the voting list for me. If they were all 3 in there voting for me, and then the town found out who I was, they would be figured out very quickly.
2 - Gab was actually targeted by the SK, so he is a mafia, kill is one too, and the last mafia member waited for another townie vote so he could quick lynch me.

Those who didn't voted for me:
me - dah
DB4
Tuffy
Charm
Joak
Legionnare

If kill is the only mafia who voted for me, then I don't think that joak is one of them due to Ed's claims. The posts do look like everyone else is trying to figure things out rather than go for a quick lynch, so I have no idea who it could be. That's a good job at trying to lay low.

If Kill and Gab are mafia, then only 1 mafia is hiding in the crowd. I don't think that gab is a bad guy, but he did push against me on day 2. I don't really blame him, I was pretty confuse and confusing lol. But still, I keep my doubts.

For now, the only thing I am sure of is that Kill is one of the bad guys.

@Kill: No the first 3 are not confirmed townies. Like I just posted, there are other possibilities. And even if they are townies, like I just posted, it could still mean that you are one of the mafia. And if you have a certain skill, what's the night actions results? You don't have to tell us, just tell us if it will help our questions or not.

by **mookiemcgee** on Sun Apr 06, 2014 1:03 pm

SiriusCowKing wrote:@mookie: Let's consider that kill would be a mafia. If no one else voted for me, I believe the answer is that only 1 mafia left didn't vote for me, so they couldn't get a quick lynch. So this means there would be 2 mafia in the list of those who voted for me.
That list is:
Kill
Gab
Mookie
Ed

TC claimed that gab was a good guy because he got targeted by a killer in night 1 and he traded gab with AFK. If gab was targeted by the SK, then gab may very well be a mafia, there is no way of knowing. Another possibility is that Ed is lying, he never got proven a townie. This could mean that joak might not be town. More than that, joak did not post anything yet, maybe he wasn't even online when they had the opportunity to quick lynch. If that's the case, then kill could even be town, which mean that the mafias could be Ed, joak, and someone else, maybe you mookie. All of this are just possibilities, and I personally think that Ed is not lying. In my mind, the mafia or most likely Kill and 2 others.

I think that 2 scenarios are the most likely ones:
1- Kill is the only mafia who voted for me, the 2 others hesitated because they didn't wanted to be all 3 in the voting list for me. If they were all 3 in there voting for me, and then the town found out who I was, they would be figured out very quickly.
2 - Gab was actually targeted by the SK, so he is a mafia, kill is one too, and the last mafia member waited for another townie vote so he could quick lynch me.

Those who didn't voted for me:
me - dah
DB4
Tuffy
Charm
Joak
Legionnare

If kill is the only mafia who voted for me, then I don't think that joak is one of them due to Ed's claims. The posts do look like everyone else is trying to figure things out rather than go for a quick lynch, so I have no idea who it could be. That's a good job at trying to lay low.

If Kill and Gab are mafia, then only 1 mafia is hiding in the crowd. I don't think that gab is a bad guy, but he did push against me on day 2. I don't really blame him, I was pretty confuse and confusing lol. But still, I keep my doubts.

For now, the only thing I am sure of is that Kill is one of the bad guys.

@Kill: No the first 3 are not confirmed townies. Like I just posted, there are other possibilities. And even if they are townies, like I just posted, it could still mean that you are one of the mafia. And if you have a certain skill, what's the night actions results? You don't have to tell us, just tell us if it will help our questions or not.

Ok I'm willing to consider some of your alt possibilities, however I dont' there are 2 mafia that voted for you. I don't believe both Gab and Kill are mafia. And I am confident KE3 is town... I'm more inclined to think Gab is mafia than kill. First because he changed his vote from you to Kill(and mafia dont vote for each other do they?). If both you and kill are actually town, then Gab targeted Kill because the mafia intends to kill you overnight anyway so its better for them if they lynch another town.

I understand your uncertainty that Ke3 is town, however I personally am ready to start assuming he is town because I know who I am and he's vouched for me.

I just read through all the roles and I only see one possibility for Kills claim, but it imply's ANOTHER town power role. I dont know what the norm is but it eems like there has been too many Town power roll claims.... I believe KE3 so that either means your lying or Kill is lying (or perhaps there really are that many power roles?) Also in going through the list of roles, it says the roleblocker is generally a town role not a mafia one. IS there something I'm missing? What Mafia or 3rd party roles could the roleblocker be(assuming there really is one)?

by **Killuminati19** on Sun Apr 06, 2014 1:04 pm

@ Moo

I have no night action and you are reaching for every last trick in the scum book. I like how you tried drilling into people's heads about 4 times that I am mafia. I have claimed. If you were to somehow succeed in convincing people to lynch me, rest assured, you or your mafia buddy Tuffy are coming with me. Does anyone have any serious doubts about King Ed at this point? Your Gab argument rings hallow as well.

4 townies jumped right on you for a lynch. That leaves Joak, a known townie.

Tuffy
DB4
Charm
Legion

2 of these 4 are mafia along with Sirius. I am confident that Tuffy is one of them.

by **mookiemcgee** on Sun Apr 06, 2014 1:06 pm

@ Sirius - I hope you feel better... Have some Poutine! It cures all that ails ya!

by **Killuminati19** on Sun Apr 06, 2014 1:31 pm

Why is Moo still being allowed to talk anyway? He was supposed to be an immediate day 3 lynch. That was the deal. OF COURSE when he fails to use his nonexistent reviver role he is going to give his bs role blocker excuse. Stick with the plan before you allow him to muddy things up further. I am a townie. I wouldn't call what I have a "power role". Just a regular townie with one ability that is not associated with a night action. If you continue looking at me you are barking up the wrong tree.

String Moo up and then I think it would be wise to pursue his buddy Tuffy.

by **mookiemcgee** on Sun Apr 06, 2014 2:00 pm

I'd still like to hear from those I consider Town... Primarily Ke3 and joak, and I'd like some clarification from Gabs on why Kill. Not just that he seems scummy but some reasoning for why...

by **joak** on Sun Apr 06, 2014 2:22 pm

sorry guys just recovering from a Laphroaig overdose..my head has been hurting all day and now this!!!....ok i liked your post mookie and the fact the you are vouching for me i am trying to recall voting patterns but its difficult got to say i have had an idea about sirius long before he revealed his "role" as a some sort of reviver that seems to have forgotten how to revive....role blocker i think not! interesting in his post above that he names myself and king ed as possible mafia...he seems to be the only one that thinks that all along i thought either sirius or TC had something to hide wrong about TC not wrong about sirius..but i will hang on...not literally i hope!

by **SiriusCowKing** on Sun Apr 06, 2014 4:29 pm

@ joak: I posted all the possibilities I could think up, if you read the end of my message you'll see that I said I believed that Ed was the cop and the you were town.

@ mookie: the mafia roleblocker is in the antagonistic section.

@ kill: I do think that gab is town, but I still keep my doubts. The possibility of him being a mafia is real, don't deny it.

by **SiriusCowKing** on Sun Apr 06, 2014 4:35 pm

So are you saying you are a power role with no night action? A day action maybe?

by **Killuminati19** on Sun Apr 06, 2014 5:09 pm

Moo, you are a good player, you have an answer for everything. You know I have you stuck. 4 townies voted for your lynch. No mafia piled on. You have all these theories about me, Gabs, King Ed, Joak. I'm interested in what you have to say about your fellow mafia member Tuffy, who seems to have gone dark all the sudden.

From the role descriptions, I can't gather if what I am is considered a "power role", but if you want to say I have a daytime power role I won't argue with that.

by **Gabsensei** on Sun Apr 06, 2014 5:25 pm

@ kill i unvote ratehr quicly so the mafia if you were one of them could'nt jmp on moo for the hammer and from what i see we would need a full claim from you

@ mookie your post is good but if kill is mafia then tuffy and moo are townie which leave db4 charm leg on your list

@joak sirius just said some possibilities which could also be true not saying they are just that this is a possibility

now you want me to say why i voted for kill well he is way too much agressif and want to finish the day quite quickly like a mafia would want in the previous day he was being agressif and even if he was pursuing justplay the problem is its good for both party town and mafia so it does not prove him to be a townie

by **legionnare** on Sun Apr 06, 2014 5:31 pm

@charm thanks for the response; just keeping you on your toes!

@DB4 true although as I said you seem to be keeping your head down other than to ask for night actions, by all accounts keeping silent with just the minimum number of posts is scummy I am unsure what to make of you. Have you no input as to what each player's role is/isn't?

@Gab as Sirius stated the possibility that you are Mafia exists despite TC's vouch for you. If the SK was the one to target you then TC would be none the wiser and would vehemently believe you are Town. - As a side note is there any way we can find who targeted who on N1?

@Mookie although roleblocker is primarily a Town role it is also pretty much the most powerful Mafia role as well, a good way to balance out the two sides, give the mafia a roleblocker and the Town a few Power Roles on top of the Doc and Cop. My belief is that it is more powerful role for the mafia is because as roles get claimed they can pinpoint their roleblocker exactly whereas the Town has nothing but guesswork and suspicion to guide their roleblocker and only luck that they block the killer. To put it another way - imagine a sniper pinpointing his target, precise and powerful (Mafia) then imagine giving a group of people rocket launchers and telling them that some of the same group are enemies, the sniper then has to pinpoint a target in the ensuing madness, still powerful but unlikely to be precise (Town) Hope this helps!

@Sirius no need to find the post, Gab stated earlier that you would have known that Bantam needed Reviving and should have done so as the Watcher is a handy role to have around. My mistake sorry.

@Kill yes we agreed to lynch Sirius if no revive but he did give a valid and fair reason for not, regardless of whether you think it's BS or not. And yes he can use this excuse after every night (unless they block someone else, in which case he would be caught in a lie). If you are town then are you willing to take the risk, that the (admittedly convenient) excuse is true and we lynch the Reviver? To put it another way Sirius is backing himself into a corner, he can only use the Roleblock excuse once before it gets old and if he keeps his vote on you and you do turn out to be Town then he will be lynched on D4.
That being said:
As Sirius has already stated, the "3 confirmed townies" as you put it are not confirmed, there still remains a degree of suspicion around them. Townie's never know whether someone's claim is true or even if an investigation is correct until they are killed and their role revealed, they don't even know who is town and who is mafia. The only people that can confirm that someone is confirmed Townie is MAFIA. Which I am now 1000% convinced you are.

vote Kill

FP'D by Kill and Gab

by **legionnare** on Sun Apr 06, 2014 5:36 pm

mookiemcgee wrote:I just read through all the roles and I only see one possibility for Kills claim, but it imply's ANOTHER town power role. I dont know what the norm is but it eems like there has been too many Town power roll claims.... I believe KE3 so that either means your lying or Kill is lying (or perhaps there really are that many power roles?) Also in going through the list of roles, it says the roleblocker is generally a town role not a mafia one. IS there something I'm missing? What Mafia or 3rd party roles could the roleblocker be(assuming there really is one)?

I think I know what role you are thinking of, it's a possibility but I highly doubt there is another power role. The only thing I can think of is that if Sirius' claim is false then Kill's would be valid and vice versa. 4 Vanilla Townies seems to me about right.

by **Killuminati19** on Sun Apr 06, 2014 5:42 pm

I am shaking my head at you morons. Legion, you have jumped past DB4 to the # 3 spot on the mafia list. Sirius, Tuffy, Legion.

You are 1000% convinced I am mafia? How many times do I have to tell you? I am regular townie with a daytime role. You and Gabs can pile on and lynch me. That's fine, I'll do the work for you. I may flip a coin between Sirius and Tuffy.

by **Killuminati19** on Sun Apr 06, 2014 5:45 pm

@ Gabs

I am being too aggressive? What does an immediate day 3 lynch of Sirius mean to you?

@ Legion

Under what circumstance would you have signed off on an immediate day 3 lynch for Sirius like we agreed on? OF COURSE he was going to claim something stopped him from reviving. You should have known that during day 2. Joak, King Ed, Mookie, don't be so gullible like the rest of these clowns.

by **mookiemcgee** on Sun Apr 06, 2014 5:57 pm

One of the main reasons I am leaning towards a Sirius vote over a kill vote was TC's saying a few times that we really need to lynch Sirius before its too late. the only reason he was ok changing his vote was with the contingency that if Sirius didn't revive he would be lynched. TC is a smart player, and now we all know he was townie and to be trusted. I am surprised neither he nor anyone else brought up the possibility that Sirius could have been role blocked. Perhaps that is because it wasnt used N1

If there really is a roleblocker, why was someone not roleblocked the first night? I am going to have to go back and read if any town power roles were hinted at D1.... that may shed some light for me

by **legionnare** on Sun Apr 06, 2014 6:02 pm

Killuminati19 wrote:I am shaking my head at you morons. Legion, you have jumped past DB4 to the # 3 spot on the mafia list. Sirius, Tuffy, Legion.

You are 1000% convinced I am mafia? How many times do I have to tell you? I am regular townie with a daytime role. You and Gabs can pile on and lynch me. That's fine, I'll do the work for you. I may flip a coin between Sirius and Tuffy.

I heard you before, I just don't believe you, saying I'm town with a daytime role doesn't really help at this stage. There are 3 possibilities for Townie with Dayaction:

Day Cop - Unlikely as KE3 has already claimed Regular Cop and having both would be too OP
Daytime Vigilante - If so why have you not killed anyone yet?
Forensic Investigator - Not sure if a Day role but the only one that comes close to making sense.

by **legionnare** on Sun Apr 06, 2014 6:05 pm

mookiemcgee wrote:One of the main reasons I am leaning towards a Sirius vote over a kill vote was TC's saying a few times that we really need to lynch Sirius before its too late. the only reason he was ok changing his vote was with the contingency that if Sirius didn't revive he would be lynched. TC is a smart player, and now we all know he was townie and to be trusted. I am surprised neither he nor anyone else brought up the possibility that Sirius could have been role blocked. Perhaps that is because it wasnt used N1

If there really is a roleblocker, why was someone not roleblocked the first night? I am going to have to go back and read if any town power roles were hinted at D1.... that may shed some light for me

The roleblocker might have targeted someone that didn't have a role to block.

by **legionnare** on Sun Apr 06, 2014 6:09 pm

Killuminati19 wrote:@ Gabs

I am being too aggressive? What does an immediate day 3 lynch of Sirius mean to you?

@ Legion

Under what circumstance would you have signed off on an immediate day 3 lynch for Sirius like we agreed on? OF COURSE he was going to claim something stopped him from reviving. You should have known that during day 2. Joak, King Ed, Mookie, don't be so gullible like the rest of these clowns.

I keep saying it but perhaps I should be plainer: yes Sirius' excuse is convenient but the possibility remains that he is telling the truth.
You're statement of "3 CONFIRMED Townies" when there has been no confirmation stinks of scum, as I said the only way to know if someone is Town is if you are Mafia.

by **legionnare** on Sun Apr 06, 2014 6:11 pm

Killuminati19 wrote: Joak, King Ed, Mookie, don't be so gullible like the rest of these clowns.

As for this, you're attitude is hardly convincing me to change my vote.

by **Gabsensei** on Sun Apr 06, 2014 6:12 pm

kill if what you say is true then you would still be able to get someone with you so why not doing it???

fp by legion 3 time

by **Gabsensei** on Sun Apr 06, 2014 6:13 pm

legionnare wrote:
Killuminati19 wrote:I am shaking my head at you morons. Legion, you have jumped past DB4 to the # 3 spot on the mafia list. Sirius, Tuffy, Legion.

You are 1000% convinced I am mafia? How many times do I have to tell you? I am regular townie with a daytime role. You and Gabs can pile on and lynch me. That's fine, I'll do the work for you. I may flip a coin between Sirius and Tuffy.

I heard you before, I just don't believe you, saying I'm town with a daytime role doesn't really help at this stage. There are 3 possibilities for Townie with Dayaction:

Day Cop - Unlikely as KE3 has already claimed Regular Cop and having both would be too OP
Daytime Vigilante - If so why have you not killed anyone yet?
Forensic Investigator - Not sure if a Day role but the only one that comes close to making sense.

with what he said he would be a vengefull townie i think

by **SiriusCowKing** on Sun Apr 06, 2014 6:25 pm

Killuminati did say the mafia would not like him if they knew what role he had, then later said he wasn't sure it was a power role. If it's such an important role, then how can it not be a power role. The only thing that would meet what he said would be the forensic investigator I think. The description doesn't say, but if I was the mod I would make it a daytime ability with only 1 or 2 uses. Crasp, what would you do of that role if it was in the game?

If it is indeed that role that he has, why not tell us anything about it? I think he is bluffing. Still unsure of who the other mafias are, but I'm pretty sure of him. I won't change my vote. With this, I am going to bed.

by **mookiemcgee** on Sun Apr 06, 2014 6:37 pm

This is really tough... Everyone seems to be pulling in different directions. There isn't much consistency on the first day of voting....

These people all voted for the one Mafia we actually know about very early in the game:
Crown,Gabseni, Legionnaire,sirius, jusplay

At the same time the other votes in were:
Sirius-Mookiemcgee, charm (2)
King ed- Joak (1)

Two of them are dead, while it would seem like these three are likely innocent I could still see Sirius possibly being guilty as he recinded his vote fairly quickly and defended H8 in one post. He had argued both for and against H8 at one point or another. Kill never voted for H8 but then again many of us didn't. I feel there may be enough for me to pull back from voting Sirius after reading everything but I'm not yet ready to vote Kill, is there anyone else we haven't heard from? Some of you havent posted much and today seems like one of the more interesting points in the game.

I can't believe King ed is somehow pretending to be a cop while the real cop hasn't spoken up, so I'm inclined to wait for his vote as bandwagon or not he is about the only one a fully trust at this point.

Why did kill specifically say Tuffy wouldn't like his role? perhaps we need to push for Tuffy to claim?

Fp'd by a cow

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