The Village of Secrets [GAME OVER] Werewolves Win!

[StorrZerg]

Anark this community loves to lynch VT claims. why the hell are you claiming with 2 votes on yourself?
At least in BB there was set up for it, some precursor thought.

Like you have some pressure and you freak out?? there is a huge vote lead on Jonty and this happens.
Can you chill out and just talk for a bit? we still have plenty of time before a lynch.

[StorrZerg]

Gonna jot down some thoughts with this post in blue...

I will have a quick edit to see if I can do anything. I wont touch the content.

Do I want to know what it looked like before? Let me check...
noo you don't it broke the webpage

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Nope, I don't see it effecting it too bad.

See this is my issue, jak, the case was poor, and I don't think can be justified, by saying it was the first REAL case of the day, if it was the first REAL case of the day, then it would have substance.

not sure if it was the "first", it was 100% a case. There was substance, it is up for debate. Which is why we play mafia. It was 100% an attempt to do something.

It was the first real case in the context that it was no longer JUST a joke vote like most were doing at the time. You know I mean that and now you're trying to twist it to something else.

see this gives me the impression, you almost don't care who we have claim, just to get a claim, now that would be scummy.

I am not pushing for a lynch Day 1 like the real scum do, I am pushing for information that we can use in the night to better use any actions people may have to help town out better tomorrow.

Am I scum because i'm pushing for a day 1 lynch? I 100% want a lynch day 1. I've even stated i want a lynch to happen with Majority (8). Personally i push for lynches on people i find scummy, i get their reactions, i get information. Then comes the time to reread and decide if the lynch is still scummy, or if the lynch is looking town.

The real scummyness trails from wanting NO information for our power roles to use in the night to help find/kill scum. I found two people I find scummy and whether people agree with me or not I want more information on one of them before I just move on and potentially let a scum go without any more pressure. But hey, it's Day 1, let scum go into the night with no pressure on their claims so they can perfect a story together for tomorrow.

Many ways to find scum, objective is to present cases and deliberate as to why said person is scum or not. Which then leads to more discussion and more reads. BUt as for your post here, i don't quite understand it since it is to vague.

there is no link between me and Nark, to my knowledge.

Of course if there WAS you'd not admit to it, why would you? The only townie link would be masons and which I believe you not to be, so any other link would most likely be mafia/3rd party.

Interesting how it went to L2 though and still no claim from you, perhaps we need another to vote and put you back into the spotlight for claim time.

I would agree, making a deal to do something, and then not doing it is fishy. (personally i find jonty's situation odd because of choice wording he has used (anark have pointed out) Personally @jonty i would rather you try and continue discussion rather than close things up.

Depending on your claim personally to me, would dictate on whether or not I push on Anark again, if there's no link like you say, then you could be a townie ignorantly defending a mafia (ignorantly is not an offensive term, it just means you don't know, the same with everyone in the game besides the mafia are ignorant to who the mafia is, so do not blow that word out of proportion).

See this just seems silly to me. and part of it is the forum history i suppose. We still have time for day 1, wouldn't you rather him provide more to discussion over a claim? Put that aside, you can still push 2 different cases. It is almost scummy in my eyes the way you phrased it. "yo claim if its good then ill pressure on anark, if its shit ill try and lynch you"


If you admit to there being a link, then I may back off of Anark, but if there isn't my 2nd case on him still stands and my vote will quickly be back onto him for potential scum.

But all in all, I do not want a lynch today, I want information. If someone begins pushing for a lynch with basically no REAL info (roles at night) then personally I'd find that scummy, killing off the town before we can put all of our roles into action to defend town and find mafia.

A lynch provides the most hard factual information we can get. IT is the only way we are able to eliminate mafia as a whole. (maybe some town pr sure) We learn a lot on the lynch, if they are town, who pushed why? Who had bad reasons? who pushed to hard? IF a mafia flips, who pushed hard? they might be town etc. We learn SOOO much off a lynch. i would consider a no lynch and claims to be beneficial to mafia. They have claims, they can by pass the vt claims, they could shoot prs, they have so many options. Day 2 then starts with Meta meta? and no town direction. I do agree, we need information, again i disagree 100% with no lynch.

Here's some reasons why we should not be pushing for a lynch but information instead:

1.) We do not know how many "mis-lynches" we have before mafia outnumber us.
Think its safe to say mafia can't win by day 2. Lynching every day is good, gives town More information. Certain days maybe a no lynch... A no lynch is just 1 extra day that we failed to kill mafia.
2.) We do not know if there is a "Lyncher" third party or a "Fool" third party (1 needs to lynch a specific person, other needs to just be lynched).
who cares? we still need to lynch mafia. Why worry about something we don't know, and worry about things we know. ITS A MAFIA GAME IM 100% sure there are scum in this game
3.) We do not know how many power roles there are, we could all be power roles and lynching anyone could result in a loss of a power role.
which would probably mean mafia have super duper power roles right? again if we don't know what ever. Still better to lynch and get HARD facts
4.) One less townie is one less person pushing for a mafia lynch tomorrow when we have clearer information on people (if investigative roles wish to tell us what is what).
And if we lynch mafia its 1 less mafia. Even if a town is lynched today, even say its a pr that was "assumed to be fake" we still learn information. The other PRs then know more regarding WHO THEY SHOULD USE THEIR POWERS ON. If we no lynch, we go blind into the night. I would rather not.
5.) Without information today, power roles go into the night without any leads on what to do (watchers can be on the claimed or docs can be, trackers can follow them or someone else, etc etc).
Personally i'm not looking for 4 claims day 1. Fewer claims the better, lynching of reads gives (well at least me) more information on everyone else. A flipped person at end of day, GIVES power roles MORE to go on into the night.


Spin my words as much as you want, I find it odd how the people that are usually pushing for information and lynches Day 1 when they are town are NOT doing so this game. Which as X-stor-X pointed out is different Meta. Which I do remember people used a lot of that around here back in the day.

The meta on jonty i pointed out was, he doesn't push hard for day 1 lynches. He is often quiet for several days before actually saying anything on day 1. another thing @jonty, if you plan on playing different, if you state it a head of time in the thread you get less shit for playing different.

and back at @jak. obviously we have some very different views on how to play mafia. So i just want to re-ask. Are you 100% any kind of lynch day 1? You are driving discussion and being very active jak and i like that.

I do want information, i would hate for day to end with some people not voicing anything, with the lynched target failing to add discussion etc.

[Iron Butterfly]

Hell, folks, lemme help you all out... Since most of you are being absolutely ridiculous, I will jump up and claim now... Guess what? I am a vanilla townie, and so not to quote my PM, I am a Peasant... That isn't what the title says, it mentions village... So, folks, way to out a Vanilla Townie!

You all are ludicrous... I am always aggressive, never quiet, and usually rude... Go back through mt games... Then see what I flipped when I was lynched or killed... And there is always one idiot, usually rhat I had never played with before, who was driving the case against me, and who afterward said, "It isn't MY fault... He seemed scummy." And all the people who have played with me before, several who have been in multiple games with me, will say, "That's the way he always plays..." And then the cycle repeats itself the next game... It truly is ridiculous, but that fact is also what keeps me coming back. To see when that trend will change.... and to laugh at the irony and stupidity of it all.

Now this pisses me off. First we are not allowed to talk about "Ongoing" games. But when you mirror the exact same thing it gives me pause. Why the hell bother playing if you are going to out yourself with no pressure? Because your frustrated? because your a bored VT? Your last ploy really helped no one. You certainly did not help Town.

If you are a VT you do Town a huge disservice with your BS. You could play it any number of ways that would be more beneficial. Each game is different so this whole "check my games and see what I flip" is BS as well. Eventually the law of averages can and will catch up.

[Anarkistsdream]

Hell, folks, lemme help you all out... Since most of you are being absolutely ridiculous, I will jump up and claim now... Guess what? I am a vanilla townie, and so not to quote my PM, I am a Peasant... That isn't what the title says, it mentions village... So, folks, way to out a Vanilla Townie!

You all are ludicrous... I am always aggressive, never quiet, and usually rude... Go back through mt games... Then see what I flipped when I was lynched or killed... And there is always one idiot, usually rhat I had never played with before, who was driving the case against me, and who afterward said, "It isn't MY fault... He seemed scummy." And all the people who have played with me before, several who have been in multiple games with me, will say, "That's the way he always plays..." And then the cycle repeats itself the next game... It truly is ridiculous, but that fact is also what keeps me coming back. To see when that trend will change.... and to laugh at the irony and stupidity of it all.

Now this pisses me off. First we are not allowed to talk about "Ongoing" games. But when you mirror the exact same thing it gives me pause. Why the hell bother playing if you are going to out yourself with no pressure? Because your frustrated? because your a bored VT? Your last ploy really helped no one. You certainly did not help Town.

If you are a VT you do Town a huge disservice with your BS. You could play it any number of ways that would be more beneficial. Each game is different so this whole "check my games and see what I flip" is BS as well. Eventually the law of averages can and will catch up.

Bored, no.... Irritated by stupidity, yes...

I used to never claim... I still got lynched.... but I am not going to put up with idiotic votes that only slow down the game... I proved that I am town... So, that is a tactic that no one else can rely on. I also made it very dangerous for scum to stay on my wagon. The people most likely to keep their vote on me will be town. Of course, now that I have had to say this, it won't be as effective.

As for your law of averages... *shrug* We will see. I disagree with the law of averages, it would take twenty or so games in a row of me being scum to even begin averaging it... To be honest, what has happened to me by always being town is the most logical conclusion, when VTs outnumber most other roles.

Lastly, a disservice to town would be to have a cop, vig, or doc waste their night action on me... Much more so than what happens in a day. So, again, I disagree with you, IB, but I respect where you are coming from.

[StorrZerg]

my bad about on going games.... tried to only refer to people who had flipped.

[StorrZerg]

anark your angry, fantastic. lets move on.
Why not just take a step back, come back to the game, and answer some of the questions directed at you.

[Anarkistsdream]

anark your angry, fantastic. lets move on.
Why not just take a step back, come back to the game, and answer some of the questions directed at you.

Restate them for me... and, irritated and angry are very different... Please read what I write, and don't reinterpret

[Roger Dodger]

I'm believing the Anark. I don't believe Jonty. Xstorx whydo u keep jumping up and down about Anark? Be honest here, u have been voting/ joke voting back and forth since the game started. I just can't believe he is a bad guy just an intense gamer

[Whatsausage]

Hell, folks, lemme help you all out... Since most of you are being absolutely ridiculous, I will jump up and claim now... Guess what? I am a vanilla townie, and so not to quote my PM, I am a Peasant... That isn't what the title says, it mentions village... So, folks, way to out a Vanilla Townie!

You all are ludicrous... I am always aggressive, never quiet, and usually rude... Go back through mt games... Then see what I flipped when I was lynched or killed... And there is always one idiot, usually rhat I had never played with before, who was driving the case against me, and who afterward said, "It isn't MY fault... He seemed scummy." And all the people who have played with me before, several who have been in multiple games with me, will say, "That's the way he always plays..." And then the cycle repeats itself the next game... It truly is ridiculous, but that fact is also what keeps me coming back. To see when that trend will change.... and to laugh at the irony and stupidity of it all.

Now this pisses me off. First we are not allowed to talk about "Ongoing" games. But when you mirror the exact same thing it gives me pause. Why the hell bother playing if you are going to out yourself with no pressure? Because your frustrated? because your a bored VT? Your last ploy really helped no one. You certainly did not help Town.

If you are a VT you do Town a huge disservice with your BS. You could play it any number of ways that would be more beneficial. Each game is different so this whole "check my games and see what I flip" is BS as well. Eventually the law of averages can and will catch up.

Bored, no.... Irritated by stupidity, yes...

I used to never claim... I still got lynched.... but I am not going to put up with idiotic votes that only slow down the game... I proved that I am town... So, that is a tactic that no one else can rely on. I also made it very dangerous for scum to stay on my wagon. The people most likely to keep their vote on me will be town. Of course, now that I have had to say this, it won't be as effective.

As for your law of averages... *shrug* We will see. I disagree with the law of averages, it would take twenty or so games in a row of me being scum to even begin averaging it... To be honest, what has happened to me by always being town is the most logical conclusion, when VTs outnumber most other roles.

Lastly, a disservice to town would be to have a cop, vig, or doc waste their night action on me... Much more so than what happens in a day. So, again, I disagree with you, IB, but I respect where you are coming from.

So what I don't understand is: who do you think is being stupid? The two people voting for you? That hardly constitutes a wagon...

And as far as the law of averages IB... What does that have to do with this game? I'm sure the mod randomly selected our roles, so the other games would have no bearing on anyone's role. I'm pretty sure that anark is arguing something about how this is how he plays when he is town, so no one is accusing him of changing how he plays like jonty has been so accused.

All the while, I have no idea, you may always play this way anark, but you come off very defensive. Claiming when you definitely aren't being the biggest target is usually seen as terribly suspicious behavior, because it looks like you are afraid of any pressure coming your way, hence you have something to hide.

FP'd like four times (stor, anark, and roger)

[Iron Butterfly]

ok, i am trying to get back into the swing of things so, with that said, Out of everything i have read so far, this statement makes the most sense..

So i had the experience of playing with Jonty in my previous game. (he has yet flipped ) And just from that i know something has changed for him. I took a quick look at his posts in
Emotions Mafia (survives to end as VTown)
viewtopic.php?f=213&t=202851&sk=a&start=90
And A Cino Filled Mafia (2 time cop dies night 6)

In both these games we see similar opening. Joking a bit mixed with lots of down time. It takes several days for Jonty to "decided" on anything it seems.
(i would include the previous game on BB, still no idea what he is, but he did end up voting with a simple 1 liner for a reason and stayed quiet) The importance of him in BB and this game is the drastic change in behavior.
I am also backing this up with the 2 previous links. He is clearly Changed his play style, and is doing something DIFFERENT. With 2 previous games of flipping town, a VT and a Power role. Leads me to believe he is not playing his normal townie game. This i find Scummy.

Now we have his case, this is a scummy case coming from Jonty for a few reasons.
1. as touched before it is DIFFERENT than his normal play.
a. it is the longest case i've scene him make early on day 1.
b. it is the most in depth case i've read from him on day 1
2. He talks about 2 people, about how the actions have come how silly they are etc. And in the end it seems he is flipping a coin as to who he is voting. (how ever he does give slight reason for the difference that does look better for jonty )

I think when u change the way you play the game says a lot about what role you play. I have not played with Jonty and i could be wrong but, my gut is saying that this could be right.


VOTE JONTY

I am sticking to this until someone says different.

Vote Roger Dodger

This post really bothered me for a variety of reasons.

First it is not ones direct experience. Its pretty much piggy backing on someone eases experience to reach a guilty vote.

Second, as i stated earlier I played Town in Emotions Mafia that day and Town was DEAD no matter what we did.it was such an imbalanced game. I do not wish to engage in a debate about that nor bad mouth its mod BUT I will say it is a poor model to determine how one acts when playing as mafia. Town lost Day 2. Mafia really had to do nothing.

Third he thinks Anarch is Town and because of his gut thinks Jonty is scum.

I wish to ask Roger Dodger to explain why he believes such things using his own words and experience rather then someone elses.

[StorrZerg]

I'm believing the Anark. I don't believe Jonty. Xstorx whydo u keep jumping up and down about Anark? Be honest here, u have been voting/ joke voting back and forth since the game started. I just can't believe he is a bad guy just an intense gamer

I'm not jumping, not sure what you mean. I'm trying to get anark to talk instead of cry about having to claim.
As far as me voting, are you sure i've voted more than one person? Might wanna check that.... I've been pretty serious all game, specially when it comes to votes.... As far as the last part, thats good that you feel that way. Since you feel that he is town, wouldn't you be interested in him answering questions about other players???

and @ anark... one shouldn't have to spell out ever question to you... but i will..
As far as calling you angry anark. I am not quoting you, i am speaking as i see you. I See you as angry right then.

fp by ib

[StorrZerg]

Questions that have been asked towards you anark. if i missed any i'm sorry, i'm sure someone will bring it up.

i hate this page

@anark i don't see any of your thoughts on Spiesr
you made comment on my case. saying "weak"

how so, can you explain why you think its weak? Besides that, what do you think of the action then of me pushing onto jonty?

@ lootifier / anark.

is the post now as it should be? or does it still miss information or something like that?
and nark how did you get to the conclusion that me kgb and roger doger are town?
i do know that your at least 33% right but whats your reason? was it supposed to be in the big post as well?

Anark this community loves to lynch VT claims. why the hell are you claiming with 2 votes on yourself?
At least in BB there was set up for it, some precursor thought.

Like you have some pressure and you freak out?? there is a huge vote lead on Jonty and this happens.
Can you chill out and just talk for a bit? we still have plenty of time before a lynch.

[StorrZerg]

@lb, jonty had no idea emotions was "imbalanced day 1" throwing the game away cause of imbalance is wrong. Secondly Jonty has admitted to playing different, so My case has a decent reason and he admits it. He also said it wasn't abnormal, i've asked him to point out a game where he went aggressive with an early lynch. (he has not unless i missed it)

Regarding everything else, i can agree with. I would like him to explain in his own words his own reads.
(he did touch up on anark, and that was good, i wouldn't mind more detail)

@lb, can you explain why you think Jonty is town?

[rishaed]

The only thing I can say is.... Nark what the heck are you doing? The claim is/was totally unnecessary, and one or two vote wasn't going to be a huge deal.... The only thing it has done to town is muddy up the waters, hugely. You weren't forced into a corner and you weren't even the largest person with votes on them. And as IB said, this forum is notorious for lynching VT claims D1. Heck, I wasn't even asking you to defend yourself against my vote. Jak's about the only one who was pushing on you. Ignoring META, I actually over re-reads have found Jonty's case against Jak, decent for a D1 case... better than others I've seen. unvote vote Jak
fp'd

[jak111]

I love how my single little pushing against Anark got him to claim, he panicked ♥. While I do not believe we should lynch him just yet, because it's possible we have VT's in the game, this now leaves open for any watcher/tracker to see him visit ANYONE call him out on his fake claim.

So what his claim ultimately ended up doing was create something our PR's can use against him if he's lying.

As far as Jonty goes, I am still interested in seeing what information we can prod from him. His willingness to claim at L2 seems a bit odd, but if he's willing to claim, we'll definitely hear it.

As to Rishead (posted just before I clicked to type up a post), what case does he have against me? That I actually got us into the serious business or that my first case was not so well for the very first case of the game? Is it scummy to make the first case in your eyes? If so, why?

@X-stor-X, I noticed people have been avoiding questions directed to them as well. I do not have any questions my way that I am aware of, just "your first case sucks, I will vote you" "I agree, I will vote you" type behaviour.

So Rishaed, make sure to answer the questions I posed to you.

[spiesr]

I love how my single little pushing against Anark got him to claim, he panicked ♥. While I do not believe we should lynch him just yet, because it's possible we have VT's in the game, this now leaves open for any watcher/tracker to see him visit ANYONE call him out on his fake claim.

Sure, he knew that when he claimed it. As a result I don't expect that he would be making any night actions for the scum if he is faking it. So, not really as useful as you might like to think...

As far as Jonty goes, I am still interested in seeing what information we can prod from him. His willingness to claim at L2 seems a bit odd, but if he's willing to claim, we'll definitely hear it.

The only thing odd about was how he talked about it. Jonty has been around here long enough to know that once he gets to L-2 he will have to claim. He also knows that there is often some suspicion on those who claim early.

[HotShot53]

Hell, folks, lemme help you all out... Since most of you are being absolutely ridiculous, I will jump up and claim now... Guess what? I am a vanilla townie, and so not to quote my PM, I am a Peasant... That isn't what the title says, it mentions village... So, folks, way to out a Vanilla Townie!

You all are ludicrous... I am always aggressive, never quiet, and usually rude... Go back through mt games... Then see what I flipped when I was lynched or killed... And there is always one idiot, usually rhat I had never played with before, who was driving the case against me, and who afterward said, "It isn't MY fault... He seemed scummy." And all the people who have played with me before, several who have been in multiple games with me, will say, "That's the way he always plays..." And then the cycle repeats itself the next game... It truly is ridiculous, but that fact is also what keeps me coming back. To see when that trend will change.... and to laugh at the irony and stupidity of it all.

I'm not sure putting a second vote on you was creating all that much pressure to cause you to claim... and I still think you overreact just a bit much... but your claim is believable so I will unvote

Not sure any of the other cases are strong enough to vote on yet... but if things start stalling I would vote on jonty just to get a claim so we could move on.

[Anarkistsdream]

I love how my single little pushing against Anark got him to claim, he panicked ♥. While I do not believe we should lynch him just yet, because it's possible we have VT's in the game, this now leaves open for any watcher/tracker to see him visit ANYONE call him out on his fake claim.

So what his claim ultimately ended up doing was create something our PR's can use against him if he's lying.

As far as Jonty goes, I am still interested in seeing what information we can prod from him. His willingness to claim at L2 seems a bit odd, but if he's willing to claim, we'll definitely hear it.

As to Rishead (posted just before I clicked to type up a post), what case does he have against me? That I actually got us into the serious business or that my first case was not so well for the very first case of the game? Is it scummy to make the first case in your eyes? If so, why?

@X-stor-X, I noticed people have been avoiding questions directed to them as well. I do not have any questions my way that I am aware of, just "your first case sucks, I will vote you" "I agree, I will vote you" type behaviour.

So Rishaed, make sure to answer the questions I posed to you.

Just so you know, YOU rae the newbie idiot in this game... And maybe I would criticize the mod of that game just a tad... You did NOTHING unusual in this game... Whoever comes at me with ignorant votes gets attacked.... Again, look at the previous games... I am sick to death of noobs around here thinking they did something unusual... Anybody who has played here would agre... So pull up your big girl panties and quit patting yourself on the back... You are a stereotype... a statistic...

Alright xstor... your "questions"...

Your first set of questions I have nnothing to say... That was days ago and too much has gone on in my life... The case is weak because there is no substance. I have played wih spiesr a TON, and I just have more respect for him than to think he would get caught up like that.

How I got to them being town.... They all have had valid cases, feelings, and suggestions that make them seem legit. It isn't a bunch of piggybacking or jumping to odd conclusions. They have all been playing for awhile, and I feel that they are my safest bets at the moment. Of course I may be incorrect, but when you are alone in the crowd, you have to trust someone.

Your last set of questions all seem rhetorical... But, as for claiming, it guaranteed that some people in this game trust me, and now, as you always want, we have somehing to talk about... and a baseline to judge... some people disagree with my playstyle, but as a VT, I think my best opportunity is to sacrifice myself and give other town a place to go from... also, this means one of two things for mafia... get off my wagon so they don'tt look scumy when I am lynched as town... or two, keep trying to force a lynch and when I come up town, they all have to act ignorant. Either way, most players aren't very successful at lying.

So, that enough, good sir xstor? You were the reason I died in BB... Do you see any difference here? Or are you scum this time, and not a noob?

In either case, everyone should know this is just a game, and I play it this way because it is the most fun. I don't dislike ANY of you. I just troll because that is what the internet is for... You are all good guys... But screw you all anyway... Now let's kill some scum.

[StorrZerg]

if you want to take bb to pms do it. don't let this game be your outlet. IB has said we shouldn't be talking about on going games. Unless this isn't a rule. I see no reason to continue the discussion on that.

[Roger Dodger]

Butterfly u can vote the way u want. U r just vote me because I have a gut feeling. I am obviously not alone in feeling this way. I read I compare. I try to make the right choices

[StorrZerg]

I love how my single little pushing against Anark got him to claim, he panicked ♥. While I do not believe we should lynch him just yet, because it's possible we have VT's in the game, this now leaves open for any watcher/tracker to see him visit ANYONE call him out on his fake claim.

So what his claim ultimately ended up doing was create something our PR's can use against him if he's lying.

As far as Jonty goes, I am still interested in seeing what information we can prod from him. His willingness to claim at L2 seems a bit odd, but if he's willing to claim, we'll definitely hear it.

As to Rishead (posted just before I clicked to type up a post), what case does he have against me? That I actually got us into the serious business or that my first case was not so well for the very first case of the game? Is it scummy to make the first case in your eyes? If so, why?

@X-stor-X, I noticed people have been avoiding questions directed to them as well. I do not have any questions my way that I am aware of, just "your first case sucks, I will vote you" "I agree, I will vote you" type behaviour.

So Rishaed, make sure to answer the questions I posed to you.

Just so you know, YOU rae the newbie idiot in this game... And maybe I would criticize the mod of that game just a tad... You did NOTHING unusual in this game... Whoever comes at me with ignorant votes gets attacked.... Again, look at the previous games... I am sick to death of noobs around here thinking they did something unusual... Anybody who has played here would agre... So pull up your big girl panties and quit patting yourself on the back... You are a stereotype... a statistic...

Alright xstor... your "questions"...

Your first set of questions I have nnothing to say... That was days ago and too much has gone on in my life... The case is weak because there is no substance. I have played wih spiesr a TON, and I just have more respect for him than to think he would get caught up like that.

How I got to them being town.... They all have had valid cases, feelings, and suggestions that make them seem legit. It isn't a bunch of piggybacking or jumping to odd conclusions. They have all been playing for awhile, and I feel that they are my safest bets at the moment. Of course I may be incorrect, but when you are alone in the crowd, you have to trust someone.

Your last set of questions all seem rhetorical... But, as for claiming, it guaranteed that some people in this game trust me, and now, as you always want, we have somehing to talk about... and a baseline to judge... some people disagree with my playstyle, but as a VT, I think my best opportunity is to sacrifice myself and give other town a place to go from... also, this means one of two things for mafia... get off my wagon so they don'tt look scumy when I am lynched as town... or two, keep trying to force a lynch and when I come up town, they all have to act ignorant. Either way, most players aren't very successful at lying.

So, that enough, good sir xstor? You were the reason I died in BB... Do you see any difference here? Or are you scum this time, and not a noob?

In either case, everyone should know this is just a game, and I play it this way because it is the most fun. I don't dislike ANY of you. I just troll because that is what the internet is for... You are all good guys... But screw you all anyway... Now let's kill some scum.

First question "@anark i don't see any of your thoughts on Spiesr"
part of that had to do with your format breaking the layout. Your only words say "THANK YOU"
Why do you brush it off now? I would assume it meant something then. I can kind of get the point of it, but you don't put any of your own thoughts down. I'm trying not to assume what you meant.. which is why i asked the question.

Second was yes, for you to respond to the case i made on jonty.
I 100% disagree with "no substance" it has great substance. Again it proved he was playing different. He admitted to it. Heck it even provoked a response YOU didn't like about jonty.

You end that with "i have played wih spiesr a TON, and and I just have more respect for him than to think he would get caught up like that."
Now this is confusing, since the start should should be about spiesr, and the second question is regarding my case on jonty. I don't know what this means. Is this suppose to be an answer to the first question?

Next part, answering why people you named are town. Great you generalize a bunch of people to be town! Could you give specific examples for each person that stands out to you as why they are town? You made a post about 5 different people, none of whom are your town reads. And then you vote for someone else. Your post is confusing, i don't know what you are thinking in half the quotes.

last part, got it.


And moving forward, i'm not trying to bash you anark. But the way you are posting is confusing. All i'm asking is for some clarity and some more in depth discussion.

[Iron Butterfly]

@lb, jonty had no idea emotions was "imbalanced day 1" throwing the game away cause of imbalance is wrong. Secondly Jonty has admitted to playing different, so My case has a decent reason and he admits it. He also said it wasn't abnormal, i've asked him to point out a game where he went aggressive with an early lynch. (he has not unless i missed it)

Regarding everything else, i can agree with. I would like him to explain in his own words his own reads.
(he did touch up on anark, and that was good, i wouldn't mind more detail)

@lb, can you explain why you think Jonty is town?

I have no idea weather jonty is Town or Scum but I do look at the reasons people vote. Roger Dodgers seemed opportunistic and for the wrong reasons. The better question is why do i think Roger Dodgers post and vote were scummy.

[Iron Butterfly]

Butterfly u can vote the way u want.why thank you. U r just vote me because I have a gut feeling.No I base my gut reactions on given information. You based your gut reaction on someone elses information. I am obviously not alone in feeling this way. I read I compare.I ask you...what did you read and what did you compare to draw your conclusions. I try to make the right choices

You did not answer my question at all. I asked you why you believe jonty is Scum and why you believe anark is Town

[MudPuppy]

I haven't come to any solid conclusions yet.... it's D1 and all. I am mostly townish on Anark and while I think his claim was a tad premature, there was a fairly high probability it was headed that direction anyway. My take is that Jak set out to push some buttons and Anark seems to enjoy a good fight and was happy to respond with one. I prefer not to resort to cutting him open tonight to see if he bleeds vanilla. I believe we have two factions of non-town folk in our midst and, with only 5 votes needed to hang, it likely takes only a couple of suspicious/curious townies to end up with a mislynch.

[MudPuppy]

with only 5 votes needed to hang,

... errr, 6 votes. Still having problems understanding the voting mechanism still. Caught myself, though.