Score manipulation is officially within the rules

[demonfork]

Josko.ri has just been cleared.

Anyone that wants to can now use the same tactics that josko used to break a high score that stood for over 3 years.

The flood gates are now open.

I predict at least 25 new Conquerors within the next 6 months and high scores that will break 10,000.

[MrPinky]

no way this will happen..... lets say a regular 3000 rated player wants to try...then he has to win ...hmmm... lets say 1000 games to break 10k rating..against average players....without losing a game during that run.

If anyone wants to take on the task of playing 2000 games at a time...and spending a lot of effort to finish all winning games...and delaying all losing games.... and not try to persuade opponents to help him out.... well.... be my guest....I'm sure he will want to throw himself of a bridge long time before he reaches 10k.

Why don't you give it a try yourself, show us how easy it is?

[demonfork]

no way this will happen..... lets say a regular 3000 rated player wants to try...then he has to win ...hmmm... lets say 1000 games to break 10k rating..against average players....without losing a game during that run.

If anyone wants to take on the task of playing 2000 games at a time...and spending a lot of effort to finish all winning games...and delaying all losing games.... and not try to persuade opponents to help him out.... well.... be my guest....I'm sure he will want to throw himself of a bridge long time before he reaches 10k.

Why don't you give it a try yourself, show us how easy it is?

Hey Gary, where in my post did I mention the difficulty level of pulling this off?

Did I say it would be easy?

I only predicted that it would happen. I guess that we will see.

[betiko]

10k, no way.

Democratization of 1 day conquerors, probably.

[D4 Damager]

Josko.ri has just been cleared.

Anyone that wants to can now use the same tactics that josko used to break a high score that stood for over 3 years.

The flood gates are now open.

I predict at least 25 new Conquerors within the next 6 months and high scores that will break 10,000.

Technically, you are correct: score manipulation is officially within the rules. Given that any rulings within the forum have to comply with the rules on the rules page, all we have to go on is this sentence:

throwing games or deliberately benefiting from thrown games, intentional deadbeating, holding players hostage, serial teammate killing, hijacking accounts, systematically "farming" new recruits and colluding with other players in any way to manipulate the scoring system.

Therefore, manipulating the scoring system in any way not specifically mentioned here is within a grey area that CC mods have to decide on and is, until further notice, within the rules.

Something else to mention, that you also mentioned in another post somewhere: staggering wins and losses to inflate score is not a new thing. The high score before Josko's was probably gained in the same way (although I am speculating and have no evidence of that - it's impossible to know without any official treatment). I'm talking about historical high-scores, not the current scoreboard, btw. The situation at the moment is similar to that of the Lance Armstrong-era cycling scene: if you want to get the highest score, you have to compete against people that are already bending the rules. I believe this suggestion would help, but maybe not.

[demonfork]

Josko.ri has just been cleared.

Anyone that wants to can now use the same tactics that josko used to break a high score that stood for over 3 years.

The flood gates are now open.

I predict at least 25 new Conquerors within the next 6 months and high scores that will break 10,000.

Technically, you are correct: score manipulation is officially within the rules. Given that any rulings within the forum have to comply with the rules on the rules page, all we have to go on is this sentence:

throwing games or deliberately benefiting from thrown games, intentional deadbeating, holding players hostage, serial teammate killing, hijacking accounts, systematically "farming" new recruits and colluding with other players in any way to manipulate the scoring system.

Therefore, manipulating the scoring system in any way not specifically mentioned here is within a grey area that CC mods have to decide on and is, until further notice, within the rules.

Something else to mention, that you also mentioned in another post somewhere: staggering wins and losses to inflate score is not a new thing. The high score before Josko's was probably gained in the same way (although I am speculating and have no evidence of that - it's impossible to know without any official treatment). I'm talking about historical high-scores, not the current scoreboard, btw. The situation at the moment is similar to that of the Lance Armstrong-era cycling scene: if you want to get the highest score, you have to compete against people that are already bending the rules. I believe this suggestion would help, but maybe not.

Think again Gary,

The previous high score of 6300+/- (held by King_herpes) was completely legit.

He held this score with 0 active games.

I also did the same thing with my high score of 5200+/-, I completed all of my active games and held the score for a stretch of time.

So you would be mistaken in your assumption.

[D4 Damager]

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Think again Gary,

The previous high score of 6300+/- (held by King_herpes) was completely legit.

He held this score with 0 active games.

I also did the same thing with my high score of 5200+/-, I completed all of my active games and held the score for a stretch of time.

So you would be mistaken in your assumption.

OK Steve

This is really why I think there should be a proper high-score table. Those are two impressive scores and being on an official list of all-time best scores would highlight their legitimacy to everyone on CC.

[demonfork]

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Think again Gary,

The previous high score of 6300+/- (held by King_herpes) was completely legit.

He held this score with 0 active games.

I also did the same thing with my high score of 5200+/-, I completed all of my active games and held the score for a stretch of time.

So you would be mistaken in your assumption.

OK Steve

This is really why I think there should be a proper high-score table. Those are two impressive scores and being on an official list of all-time best scores would highlight their legitimacy to everyone on CC.

I agree Gary,

This is exactly why I felt it necessary to "legitimize" my high score if you will.

I believed that an artificially inflated high score that manifested itself thru game manipulatin was nonsense.

Joskori's "record" high score is nothing but smoke and mirrors.

[Mr Changsha]

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Think again Gary,

The previous high score of 6300+/- (held by King_herpes) was completely legit.

He held this score with 0 active games.

I also did the same thing with my high score of 5200+/-, I completed all of my active games and held the score for a stretch of time.

So you would be mistaken in your assumption.

OK Steve

This is really why I think there should be a proper high-score table. Those are two impressive scores and being on an official list of all-time best scores would highlight their legitimacy to everyone on CC.

I agree Gary,

This is exactly why I felt it necessary to "legitimize" my high score if you will.

I believed that an artificially inflated high score that manifested itself thru game manipulatin was nonsense.

Joskori's "record" high score is nothing but smoke and mirrors.

There is a lot of truth to this and it is known and no doubt will always be known that he achieved his high score, in fact the site's high score, in this manner.

However, if one was to compare the king_H\demonfork run compared to his it would also have to be taken into account that he was playing a consistantly high calibre of player, and that he was playing sequentially. I think it is fair to say that no sequential player would ever have achieved a 6000+ score on the basis you have suggested (no active games), for as I remember those freestyle 1vs1 scores were made with +95% win rates.

I have a poor memory generally, but I seem to remember Blitzaholic going over 5000 sequentially and I think that was achieved before the scandal that finished him off. I would think josko is capable of hitting 5000 on the basis you described, he may already have done it, and I would tend to think that 5000 is about the limit. Frankly, he is so dominant on his unlim, foggy settings that I would think that is possible.

I am intruiged by the idea that a high score should only be accepted (at least as an official site high score) if there are no further losses to come. It could well be argued, and actually I think I would, that King_H still has the site's high score.

[D4 Damager]

Josko.ri hit 5400 points or so using no tricks whatsover and can rightly be considered a phenomenal sequential player. I doubt it is possible to get much higher than that using fair play, I now start to appreciate the suggestions made before in other threads about having separate scoreboards. At the very least, there should be one for sequential and one for freestyle. I'm not sure how you could properly categorise a score as one or the other if someone plays both types though

[iAmCaffeine]

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Think again Gary,

The previous high score of 6300+/- (held by King_herpes) was completely legit.

He held this score with 0 active games.

I also did the same thing with my high score of 5200+/-, I completed all of my active games and held the score for a stretch of time.

So you would be mistaken in your assumption.

OK Steve

This is really why I think there should be a proper high-score table. Those are two impressive scores and being on an official list of all-time best scores would highlight their legitimacy to everyone on CC.

I agree Gary,

This is exactly why I felt it necessary to "legitimize" my high score if you will.

I believed that an artificially inflated high score that manifested itself thru game manipulatin was nonsense.

Joskori's "record" high score is nothing but smoke and mirrors.

There is a lot of truth to this and it is known and no doubt will always be known that he achieved his high score, in fact the site's high score, in this manner.

However, if one was to compare the king_H\demonfork run compared to his it would also have to be taken into account that he was playing a consistantly high calibre of player, and that he was playing sequentially. I think it is fair to say that no sequential player would ever have achieved a 6000+ score on the basis you have suggested (no active games), for as I remember those freestyle 1vs1 scores were made with +95% win rates.

I have a poor memory generally, but I seem to remember Blitzaholic going over 5000 sequentially and I think that was achieved before the scandal that finished him off. I would think josko is capable of hitting 5000 on the basis you described, he may already have done it, and I would tend to think that 5000 is about the limit. Frankly, he is so dominant on his unlim, foggy settings that I would think that is possible.

I am intruiged by the idea that a high score should only be accepted (at least as an official site high score) if there are no further losses to come. It could well be argued, and actually I think I would, that King_H still has the site's high score.

This.

[jltile1]

Starting now ! Me a And you fork let the demon out! CC will be shit soon as this will be the new practice.
Rambo has spoken

[iAmCaffeine]

It started with the monthly scoreboard. Now this. Next the dice will be really streaky.

[MOBAJOBG]

Josko.ri has just been cleared.

Anyone that wants to can now use the same tactics that josko used to break a high score that stood for over 3 years.

The flood gates are now open.

I predict at least 25 new Conquerors within the next 6 months and high scores that will break 10,000.

Technically, you are correct: score manipulation is officially within the rules. Given that any rulings within the forum have to comply with the rules on the rules page, all we have to go on is this sentence:

throwing games or deliberately benefiting from thrown games, intentional deadbeating, holding players hostage, serial teammate killing, hijacking accounts, systematically "farming" new recruits and colluding with other players in any way to manipulate the scoring system.

Therefore, manipulating the scoring system in any way not specifically mentioned here is within a grey area that CC mods have to decide on and is, until further notice, within the rules.

Something else to mention, that you also mentioned in another post somewhere: staggering wins and losses to inflate score is not a new thing. The high score before Josko's was probably gained in the same way (although I am speculating and have no evidence of that - it's impossible to know without any official treatment). I'm talking about historical high-scores, not the current scoreboard, btw. The situation at the moment is similar to that of the Lance Armstrong-era cycling scene: if you want to get the highest score, you have to compete against people that are already bending the rules. I believe this suggestion would help, but maybe not.

Wow! I shouldn't had been warned for "farming" new recruits randomly a-la freestyle in the past.

[jltile1]

Josko.ri has just been cleared.

Anyone that wants to can now use the same tactics that josko used to break a high score that stood for over 3 years.

The flood gates are now open.

I predict at least 25 new Conquerors within the next 6 months and high scores that will break 10,000.

Technically, you are correct: score manipulation is officially within the rules. Given that any rulings within the forum have to comply with the rules on the rules page, all we have to go on is this sentence:

throwing games or deliberately benefiting from thrown games, intentional deadbeating, holding players hostage, serial teammate killing, hijacking accounts, systematically "farming" new recruits and colluding with other players in any way to manipulate the scoring system.

Therefore, manipulating the scoring system in any way not specifically mentioned here is within a grey area that CC mods have to decide on and is, until further notice, within the rules.

Something else to mention, that you also mentioned in another post somewhere: staggering wins and losses to inflate score is not a new thing. The high score before Josko's was probably gained in the same way (although I am speculating and have no evidence of that - it's impossible to know without any official treatment). I'm talking about historical high-scores, not the current scoreboard, btw. The situation at the moment is similar to that of the Lance Armstrong-era cycling scene: if you want to get the highest score, you have to compete against people that are already bending the rules. I believe this suggestion would help, but maybe not.

Wow! I shouldn't had been warned for "farming" new recruits randomly a-la freestyle in the past.

You should of been warned for wearing a ninja suit without your katana.
Rambo has spoken.