Lootifer wrote:Anarkistsdream wrote:I agree... The more townies that pop their little heads up, saying "I have info that will only make me a target for mafia," the quicker this game goes to scum...
We already have to worry about taking care of Spiesr now, so, whoever we have with protective roles, keep your eyes on the Spies-r (Like my pun?)
Now, what makes this investigative role- that outed Spiesr- different from most anything I have seen is that the info goes to EVERYONE in the game... Most of the time, you get your answer and keep moving. However, making it a worldwide message is really bad. If this is a townie doing this, you had better be VERY careful, because otherwise you are just screwing us and letting mafia know who the power roles are. If it is scum, you must ALSO be careful because, whoever you out as town will have the rest of the town to take care of them- Docs, roleblockers, etc.
All that said, I will FOS Lootifer for now for the odd request to have people admit to having power role-type knowledge
We, the town, are the ignorant majority; compared to scum, the informed minority.
I agree
What if, in this case, the information was regarding how the game is structured? Or knowledge about scum roles? Or something similar? Information disclosure can most certainly be pro-town in some circumstances, especially when its information scum have, and town do not. Sure it may paint a target on the persons head who is releasing the information, but I dont see a rule anywhere that says only PR's get to have supplementary information.
Somehow, I am doubting that there is a Vanilla Townie in this game... James wanted this game to be fun, and Vanilla Townies never get that level of "fun" that other roles get. As for painting a target on people's heads, it not only affects the person who speaks, but also the person/people that it is about.
In fact, combining the fact that you are both experienced and reasonably smart, its odd that you would only mention the negative side of information disclosure, a little scummy? Not sure.
Hey, nobody said I was smart!!However, why only mention the negative??? IT IS DAY ONE! This is the BEST time for the mafia to gain information or the upper hand, because all they have to do is sit back and watch townies stumble over themselves figuring out who else may be town. If I were scum, I would post rarely day one and watch what everyone is doing. You already know who your partners are, so all you have to figure out is which townies have what powers. By asking people to stick their head out and ask, you are giving perfect targets to mafia. On the first day, a roleclaim or even claim of knowledge is ignorant, and I doubt you can find one game in our archives where a REAL claim (not a fake mafia made one) influenced the game in a positive way.
OK, so, now for more rambling that may be nearly identical to what I put in your quote:
The only thing that allows town to win is that the mafia are in the dark about who does what and there are more town than scum... We know now that Spiesr will need protection in the night. And, according to the role name and several people's assumptions (which I agree with) there is more than one investigative role... We DON'T want to know who else is right now. That just gives more and more chances for them to get picked off... Unless we have more protective roles than either aggressive or investigative roles, which I doubt, the scum will be able to start knocking off cops... How is that going to end up being good or helpful to town?
This also assumes we have no third-party killers or cults, who have no issue with either side winning. So, say we DO have a cult recruiter... He knows he can now safely induct Spiesr and Spiesr will most likely not be investigated or forced to reveal his role again...
So, by all means, explain to us how ANY knowledge on Day 1 does the town more good than ill. I respect that you are using your old noggin and coming up with ideas... (I get sick of playing games with a bunch of one liner players) However, let's make sure that we protect town first, and find out information second.
With that said, I revoke my FOS, because I think you really just have a different viewpoint of how information will be used. And I respect different viewpoints.
