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Battle Outcomes Explanation

Postby AslanTheKing on Wed Oct 16, 2013 2:03 am

need help here again,

as much as i look into the dicestats and battle outcome
i still dont get it

what confuses me , is 1 vs 1
what does this mean?

one dice versus one dice?
or is that if i attack with 3 troops 2 troops? and that shows it a s 1 vs1?

because i cant read this dicestats, i have the constant feeling, that something is wrong here

and another example

if i deploy in rd one 7 troops,
attack 10 troops vs 3 troops and i lose all

statistically i do have crap dice

now what is happening in the long run
are the dice evening out or not?
because if they even out, how can this be random?

random is if they dont even out

my opinion
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Re: Battle Outcomes Explanation

Postby frankiebee on Wed Oct 16, 2013 3:22 pm

1vs1 means 1 dice vs 1 dice. So if you are the attacker and you attack from terr. A to terr. B and A has 2 armies and B has 1 army, you'll throw 1 dice vs 1 dice.

Your second question, random dice even out if you have the right amount of throws, that amount is infinity. After infinity throws you will have exactly as much 1's, 2's 3's and so on.
Meaning, if you have bad dice today, you have just as much chance of having bad dice tomorrow and the day after, assuming that the dice are random. If the dice on CC are really random is a whole other question.
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Re: Battle Outcomes Explanation

Postby rhp 1 on Thu Oct 17, 2013 11:03 am

frankiebee wrote:1vs1 means 1 dice vs 1 dice. So if you are the attacker and you attack from terr. A to terr. B and A has 2 armies and B has 1 army, you'll throw 1 dice vs 1 dice.

Your second question, random dice even out if you have the right amount of throws, that amount is infinity. After infinity throws you will have exactly as much 1's, 2's 3's and so on.
Meaning, if you have bad dice today, you have just as much chance of having bad dice tomorrow and the day after, assuming that the dice are random. If the dice on CC are really random is a whole other question.



Not that I care, but they factually are not random... the program used is finite in nature.. hence, not random by definition...
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Re: Battle Outcomes Explanation

Postby AAFitz on Thu Oct 17, 2013 11:09 am

AslanTheKing wrote:need help here again,

as much as i look into the dicestats and battle outcome
i still dont get it

what confuses me , is 1 vs 1
what does this mean?

one dice versus one dice?
or is that if i attack with 3 troops 2 troops? and that shows it a s 1 vs1?

because i cant read this dicestats, i have the constant feeling, that something is wrong here

and another example

if i deploy in rd one 7 troops,
attack 10 troops vs 3 troops and i lose all

statistically i do have crap dice

now what is happening in the long run
are the dice evening out or not?
because if they even out, how can this be random?

random is if they dont even out

my opinion



Most of this has been answered... 1 die vs 1 die = 2 armies attacking one

But they dont have to even out, and I have some pretty big fluctuations in my dice rolls relatively speaking given the countless millions if dice ive thrown and had thrown at me

you could also consider rhp's suggestion that they by definition cannot be perfectly random too.

in any case, they are as random as they will get given man-made devices built for playing games...so seriously...I think its time to stop worrying about it either way.
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Re: Battle Outcomes Explanation

Postby rhp 1 on Thu Oct 17, 2013 11:17 am

AAFitz wrote:
AslanTheKing wrote:need help here again,

as much as i look into the dicestats and battle outcome
i still dont get it

what confuses me , is 1 vs 1
what does this mean?

one dice versus one dice?
or is that if i attack with 3 troops 2 troops? and that shows it a s 1 vs1?

because i cant read this dicestats, i have the constant feeling, that something is wrong here

and another example

if i deploy in rd one 7 troops,
attack 10 troops vs 3 troops and i lose all

statistically i do have crap dice

now what is happening in the long run
are the dice evening out or not?
because if they even out, how can this be random?

random is if they dont even out

my opinion



Most of this has been answered... 1 die vs 1 die = 2 armies attacking one

But they dont have to even out, and I have some pretty big fluctuations in my dice rolls relatively speaking given the countless millions if dice ive thrown and had thrown at me

you could also consider rhp's suggestion that they by definition cannot be perfectly random too.

in any case, they are as random as they will get given man-made devices built for playing games...so seriously...I think its time to stop worrying about it either way.



What Fitzy said here pretty much covers it...
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Re: Battle Outcomes Explanation

Postby morleyjoe on Thu Oct 17, 2013 4:17 pm

AslanTheKing wrote:need help here again,

as much as i look into the dicestats and battle outcome
i still dont get it

what confuses me , is 1 vs 1
what does this mean?

one dice versus one dice?
or is that if i attack with 3 troops 2 troops? and that shows it a s 1 vs1?

because i cant read this dicestats, i have the constant feeling, that something is wrong here

and another example

if i deploy in rd one 7 troops,
attack 10 troops vs 3 troops and i lose all

statistically i do have crap dice

now what is happening in the long run
are the dice evening out or not?
because if they even out, how can this be random?

random is if they dont even out

my opinion


I really don't want to play anymore today, because my rolls have been like you noted - 10 vs 3 and losing all. I've easily done very similar to that at least 10 times today. Losing multiple rolls against singles and losing 10 vs 3 and only killing 1 or 2 has become my norm today. They may say it's random or what ever, the numbers just don't work. My opinion....
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Re: Battle Outcomes Explanation

Postby chang50 on Fri Oct 18, 2013 1:22 am

My opinion;everyone has days when nothing goes well with the dice.Some players are mature enough to just suck it up and wait for things to change,as they always do,whilst others can't seem to help crying about it.It'll probably never change,but I can't help wondering,why play a dice-based game if you are not mentally capable of handling the inevitable bad luck that will result?
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Re: Battle Outcomes Explanation

Postby AslanTheKing on Thu Oct 24, 2013 2:32 pm

yep, best answer is, dont worry about it.

something else to mention
the best introduction on CC is to play against bots
and i dont care about medals or points or ranks
and against the bots i have incredible dice, wow

EDIT
well, the introduction was a short one,
bot games have been speedgames until recently, and now were back
to wait 24 hours for a bot to take his turn, booooring

and lets say i didnt have good dice, its just this bots play brainless like a prog can do
and if they won a game, than mainly because of
a.) the dice played a role trully
b.) they had a great drop which resulted in a great bonus ....

now to mr chang

chang50 wrote:My opinion;everyone has days when nothing goes well with the dice.Some players are mature enough to just suck it up and wait for things to change,as they always do,whilst others can't seem to help crying about it.It'll probably never change,but I can't help wondering,why play a dice-based game if you are not mentally capable of handling the inevitable bad luck that will result?


somebody who brings up constantly the word mature
is prob having himself a maturity problem,
out of 10 posts u talk 9 times about maturity, you got some serious issues deep down there


or shall i remind you that grownups who play and logg in every day to play some dicegames on some maps
( doodle ) are maybe not considered really to be behaving in a mature way? that includes you too
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