A Cino Filled Mafia (2/27) *Game Over*

[Rodion]

Do you seriously think ga7 got a PR just because he used the word "flamingo" in one of his posts? Am I missing an inside joke here?

[FloresDelMal]

About the frenchman, yes i do, i am pretty sure, he did it twice, not once, he is smooth, that's for sure, imo he isnt posting much for avoid to confirm his PR now that things have be brought to everyones attention and same about skoff who has posted in red for as long as i remember, i think even on msn but here go the quotes for you lazy asses out there:

Funny you mention that Masket, I faintly recall a Mafia PGO claim in an old game Good times...

Woah woah...wait....was that me? Did I make that claim?
That's ringing all sorts of bells so if you know what game that was, tell me. Not that I enjoy my fail moments but hey...can learn from em.

I tend to agree with yer points on Doom but he did take my stance against Commander on Day 1 so I'm holding onto my vote for now.

Nah I don't remember in which game this happened, was hoping you would, pretty sure it was a Chu game though. And that we won somehow
I like your reasoning that because he took your stance against the lynched townie he's not suspicious btw

I never said comm9 was cult talapus.

If you, as a mafia busdriver, know where the vig kill is going, you can target that kill to any player you want. How is that hard to understand ffs? It's a standard mafia busdriver move and the very reason that directing vig kills can be bad.

Cult or anything has nothing whatsoever to do with it.

OMFG this again, how is this role standard? I challenge you to find how many mafia busdrivers have been used in the past 3 years and if that number is higher than 5 I'll give credence to this BS.

vote talapus

You lying sack of cunt!

Flamingo r sulking isn't gonna help your case... I'm almost at the point where I don't even give a f*ck whether you're really scum or not. Almost.

Personally, I do not trust either Tal or Doom in this case. I didn't like Doom's attitude or actions on the previous day, and I don't like it now; however Tal seems to be taking a similar approach. You can't claim to have never called upon a vig when many of your posts the previous day heavily implied it. Also, if I recall correctly, Doom was not the only one to mention a mafia busdriver.
Both cases being thrown about have their element of bollocks, and I think both should be looked into.
I will have to do a search and see what I can find on the morrow, in the mean time old beans I must say cheerio.

Lol I was just thinking it'd be great if Skoff has a PR that makes her not post in red just once...
Doom was the first one to mention a mafia busdriver, I checked.

Besides this argument and the general annoyance, there's simply too many threads that have been woven around Doom yesterday and today IMO.

GAY4KWAN

Funny you mention that Masket, I faintly recall a Mafia PGO claim in an old game Good times...

Well, I'm glad someone took care of TWO so I don't have to sue him for plagiarism

Nag, we have to play something where you don't scumarine and die night 1 as usual...

I wonder if we can expect a dead sibling, I don't remember if that role was like lovers... From the scene and in general though I disagree with Exile that his sibling would be scum, way more likely to have a scum + town duo.

The thing that pops out the most for me is the possible link with Neb & DoomYoshi.

Now, I don't like how Neb is buddying up to me.

vote Neb

This looks more like a warning to not play it noob scum to me.

Further, I thought it interesting that Doom only mentions not liking Neb 'buddying up' to him after someone else suggests it. To me this suggests that Doom's viewpoints are along the lines of 'oh shit, if they think he is acting odd they might go for me as well, however if Neb turns up town then they might think I'm town too #yolo'
I always find it suspicious when someone takes their cues from other players around them, in this case being that Doom deciding Neb is buddying only after another player suggests it. It's often the case of a scum trying to deflect attention off themselves.

Though Skoff's view of it is valid too so bases covered IMO.

My vote will stay as it is, for now. I'll try and make a decision in a couple of hours, once I'm out of class. For now, though: FOS Commie, Neb, and Doom

Other other thoughts: can we please get some prods on inactives?

As a rule of thumb, when scum not even vote but FOS people like that without much substance (you can read his full post on pg 24), you can bet one of his scumbuddies is in the lot. The most noncommitted accusation was on DoomYoshi in this instance.

But the nail on the coffin for me is this:

this is dumb. Vig can be RB'ed, Com9 can be doctored, there is probably a Lightning Rod, busdriver and everyone else. You probably want someone to kill him tonight because you are mafia and then you can busdrive the kill to a target of your choice.

Now, busdrivers are not that common but mafia busdrivers are even more seldom used, especially outside of Chu's games, due to their overpowered WTF nature. Yet DoomYoshi not only assumes there's a busdriver here, but a mafia one at that. Where would he have gotten this idea? Could it be that he knows for a fact there was a mafia busdriver, because his scumbuddy Mandy was one? Slipup I say.

I'll go out on a limb so long I'll stand like a flamingo there but even counting the possible third parties I think 4 scum per faction is quite likely in a Chu game and that if Doom is scum we'll have another ready to put in the body bag.

Vote DoomYoshi

Jamesker raised so much havoc that it seems everyone forgot that DY was scummy even before there was a BW on the clueless RIP chap and this was my case:

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(In all seriousness, is the "Doc with 40 PHD's" thing worth looking into?)

Well sweetheart, if we assume that anark is town then that could make shadowstar scum or third party, which seems to me like a very good target to focus on (after that yoshi and his groupies are dealt with if needed to be ^^)

btw jamesker is getting on my nerves, i am trying to put this gently but sweety, get a clue or get out, you make me cringe.

Call me paranoid, but i think that wink reads like "of course you are staying alive, because i am your scum buddy and i am covering your ass"

so i say, Vote DoomYoshi today, and if he turns up scum, vote neb tomorrow ^^

Yet for a (hypothetical) scum to be scrutinized (in this case DoomYoshi), and for the fellow scum to say "I like your style! WINK!" (exaggerated paraphrasing)... even in my first ever games playing as scum, I would not think to give such a clear giveaway. This is why I don't believe that a more experienced player, Neb, would do this if both Doom and Neb were mafia. Perhaps one is mafia, perhaps neither. I just don't think both are.

Lol...re-reading my post, it does looking like my lips are glued to doom's butt. It was unintentional. Doom just amuses me sometimes. Just as I'm sure my scummy posting amuses the scum. I am not Doom's buddy, and I would be foolish to paint that picture.

I acknowledge this, and that I may be way off... the only thing I feel really strong about is that the two of you are not mafia buddies.

you seem very naive, all of this seems like desperate attempt to distance themselves after screw up, kinda like WIFOM.

BTW DY plays so bad, and makes such an easy target of himself, that there is always the chance that he might be a jester (actually this argument is valid for neb and james too) and if i remember well the game does not end when a jester wins, so i see no bad on lynching him, jesters are a PITA, the sooner they are gone the better.

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(In all seriousness, is the "Doc with 40 PHD's" thing worth looking into?)

Well sweetheart, if we assume that anark is town then that could make shadowstar scum or third party, which seems to me like a very good target to focus on (after that yoshi and his groupies are dealt with if needed to be ^^)

btw jamesker is getting on my nerves, i am trying to put this gently but sweety, get a clue or get out, you make me cringe.

Call me paranoid, but i think that wink reads like "of course you are staying alive, because i am your scum buddy and i am covering your ass"

so i say, Vote DoomYoshi today, and if he turns up scum, vote neb tomorrow ^^

Yet for a (hypothetical) scum to be scrutinized (in this case DoomYoshi), and for the fellow scum to say "I like your style! WINK!" (exaggerated paraphrasing)... even in my first ever games playing as scum, I would not think to give such a clear giveaway. This is why I don't believe that a more experienced player, Neb, would do this if both Doom and Neb were mafia. Perhaps one is mafia, perhaps neither. I just don't think both are.

Lol...re-reading my post, it does looking like my lips are glued to doom's butt. It was unintentional. Doom just amuses me sometimes. Just as I'm sure my scummy posting amuses the scum. I am not Doom's buddy, and I would be foolish to paint that picture.

I acknowledge this, and that I may be way off... the only thing I feel really strong about is that the two of you are not mafia buddies.

you seem very naive, all of this seems like desperate attempt to distance themselves after screw up, kinda like WIFOM.

BTW DY plays so bad, and makes such an easy target of himself, that there is always the chance that he might be a jester (actually this argument is valid for neb and james too) and if i remember well the game does not end when a jester wins, so i see no bad on lynching him, jesters are a PITA, the sooner they are gone the better.

if you want more please feel free to read back and check by yourselves ^^

[Rodion]

About the frenchman, yes i do, i am pretty sure, he did it twice

Good catch, I seem to have missed one of them.

[FloresDelMal]

argh made a mistake with my quotes on DY there, the missing one is this:

So i finally got time to post, i did my reading and i am getting a super strong scummy vibe comming from yoshi

It's not an official role, it's a role he used before that became somewhat of a running joke.

it is a role known to be used by the chu, and can be either scum, town or both, so i dont like his tone here, it seems that DY wants to distract us of what could be an important lead.

and on top it seems he unwittingly outed his partner

Now, I don't like how Neb is buddying up to me.

vote Neb

btw, that outburst was a reaction to this:

3. Doomyoshi - You are more my style. You type what you think with no filter at all. I sometimes wonder how you stay alive in these games ...but I do agree that Talapus is flooding us with walls of text.

Call me paranoid, but i think that wink reads like "of course you are staying alive, because i am your scum buddy and i am covering your ass"

so i say, Vote DoomYoshi today, and if he turns up scum, vote neb tomorrow ^^

on other note

"Zombies/creepy cute"? Are you talking about Warm Bodies? What I don't understand is how anyone can actually believe zombies aren't trying to kill you. Every single zombie movie/tv show/game has them trying to kill you, it's been pretty well hardwired that you kill/run from zombies, not blindly follow them. At least vampires can talk and/or seduce you, why wouldn't the girl just straight run away from the zombie whenever she could?

Actually i havent watch warm bodies, so not spoilers please ^^ i was referring to classics like zombie honeymoon, fido, etc. there are plenty of zom-rom films out there, and i am a sucker for them

damn i need to sleep

[Minister Masket]

About the frenchman, yes i do, i am pretty sure, he did it twice

Good catch, I seem to have missed one of them.

EXCUSE ME

I brought up this point first...until the server rollback deleted it ._.

Gonna reply to DY tonight when I have time to go back through previous posts.

[ga7]

Between serial bandwagonners, inactives (though I'm guilty of that also), and general noobness this game is going nowhere fast. I doubt we'll get a lynch today the way things are going.

About the PR: good catch Masket for flamingo, was trying to be subtle for shits and giggles but yeah, I didn't have it day 1 so either Chu is being silly or someone gives PRs as part of their roles. Dunno if there's a link with you posting pictures
I dunno if there's any effect but it's enforced strictly. So bleh we'll see...

Shadowstar: why isn't he still replaced? Nark talking a lot doesn't give it any credence that we wouldn't blind lynch a possible town doc.

Who said insane cop??? This guy! Proving my 40 PhDs rule. VOTE: SHADOWSTAR and don't worry about replacing him...

But... but there be another one with 40 phd's how do we know that he isn't town????
And I don't take well educated promises..... not even from those with 40 phd's

I concur.

Frankly the James thing is infuriating. No matter how noob he was an insane cop is still a big loss for town, and I can't believe a bunch of scumsters justified their vote with LAL and "oh he'll mess up the town"... LAL is complete BS to start with, but insane cop is fairly easy to read and brings valuable info after a couple of days.

In this particular wagon, I like how everyone part of it suddenly turned away whistling in self justification, even worst: justifying others.
Quote recollection time!

Either way, vote jamesker.

I should note that even though JamesKer said:

If Doom dies tonight and he is scum, I would fully expect you and everyone else to lynch me in the next day. I would do so myself if I were you. It would be a mistake, but I would completely understand. If he is town, then I would expect my name to be cleared (assuming he dies and that is proven).

I am not willing to reciprocate on this.

I like how you point out you're doubtful of your own vote and don't want to attract any heat for voting a townie.

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I can`t tell if you are lying. Is that a good enough reason to not unvote? We have a policy of LAL on this site. Is cop enough to warrant it? How is being the cop a small detail?

You're not the only one who did that but seriously... The guy just claimed cop and you try to get away with pushing his lynch, wondering if cop is important enough to bypass the LAL rule BS. IT'S A FREAKING COP, HE CAN CATCH SCUM LIKE YOU!

Isn't cleared by role paraphrase the same as being cleared by PM quote? If your reasoning is legitimate talapus, then jamesker needs a modkill.

Yes, just in case Chu had missed it, push for the modkill next. I'm not saying it was a wrongful modkill of course, it was necessary, but all along this case you've been definitely the most eager to see James dead.

And before comes the "Oh but it was totally sound, DY was right!" posts, just because some of you who might be town voted for James or didn't unvote when he claimed doesn't mean everyone on the fucking wagon is town, quite the opposite. It's beyond me that everyone just chooses to ignore the most blatant things...

At the beginning of the day I thought DoomYoshi and Neb the scummiest, and I still feel it's the case, even more so. I see a lot of distractions by voting inactives which seems off at this point. I can consider voting Neb also because of his taking part in all the wagons, but my vote stays on DoomYoshi.

[DoomYoshi]

] No matter how noob he was an insane cop is still a big loss for town.


I like how you point out you're doubtful of your own vote and don't want to attract any heat for voting a townie.

Yes, just in case Chu had missed it, push for the modkill next. I'm not saying it was a wrongful modkill of course, it was necessary, but all along this case you've been definitely the most eager to see James dead.



At the beginning of the day I thought DoomYoshi and Neb the scummiest, and I still feel it's the case, even more so. I see a lot of distractions by voting inactives which seems off at this point. I can consider voting Neb also because of his taking part in all the wagons, but my vote stays on DoomYoshi.

How is insane cop a big loss. here is what would have happened if he wasn`t modkilled: n2 he gets a scum role on a townie d3 we lynch that townie d4 (where we are now quite a bit closer to LYLO) Do you doubt that this would have been the case? Let`s say for arguments sake that he actually gets a town result on scum n2. That would have delayed the inevitable, but no matter what, we would waste a lynch later.

I didn`t doubt anything. What the f*ck are you talking about? First, how can you say i dont`want to attract heat when I have been the loudest player all game?

HEY EVERYONE LOOK AT ME NOT ATTRACTING HEAT

Second, who are you to presume the intent of my vote? AFAIK, we have never finished a game together, you have always been replaced.

I always push for modkills, I always get flack for it. It`s part of my heat avoidance strategy.

confirmation bias.

no matter what DY says, he still make my spider senses tingle, and i dont see any real reason for unvote him, so my vote is still staying there, and no DY this is not for starting whatever bs on the noob, you have been giving me plenty of scummy vibe that matter aside.

Since no matter what I say, your vote is not moving, I may as well foe you and stop reading your posts.


Two people who hang out with each other, each approach the game with the same confirmation bias. I hassle the twins all the time about this, I`m not sure it is worth the energy for the part-timers.

[Anarkistsdream]

As far as I am concerned, players who "refuse" to change their vote in an effort to get the ball rolling are impediments to the entire game. If you are the ONLY person to refuse to change your vote, you are just causing a block... You may as well be the fucking GOP. You are not furthering the game, you are not the lone fucking juror in "Twelve Angry Men." People are not going to suddenly come around to your way of thinking. All you are doing is dragging more crap out, which makes you look scummy as hell, by the way. Especially when you only post once every three god damn days. If you can't be bothered to interact anymore than that, WHY ARE YOU PLAYING?!.


40 PhDs and stuff.

[rishaed]

As far as I am concerned, players who "refuse" to change their vote in an effort to get the ball rolling are impediments to the entire game. If you are the ONLY person to refuse to change your vote, you are just causing a block... You may as well be the fucking GOP. You are not furthering the game, you are not the lone fucking juror in "Twelve Angry Men." People are not going to suddenly come around to your way of thinking. All you are doing is dragging more crap out, which makes you look scummy as hell, by the way. Especially when you only post once every three god damn days. If you can't be bothered to interact anymore than that, WHY ARE YOU PLAYING?!.


40 PhDs and stuff.

? Who specifically is this directed to> DY/Flores?

[Anarkistsdream]

As far as I am concerned, players who "refuse" to change their vote in an effort to get the ball rolling are impediments to the entire game. If you are the ONLY person to refuse to change your vote, you are just causing a block... You may as well be the fucking GOP. You are not furthering the game, you are not the lone fucking juror in "Twelve Angry Men." People are not going to suddenly come around to your way of thinking. All you are doing is dragging more crap out, which makes you look scummy as hell, by the way. Especially when you only post once every three god damn days. If you can't be bothered to interact anymore than that, WHY ARE YOU PLAYING?!.


40 PhDs and stuff.

? Who specifically is this directed to> DY/Flores?

GA7 and anybody else who remains purposefully difficult throughout a game, and only contributes occaisonally... Don't sign up if it is too much trouble to post at least once a day.

[shrewstur]

I don't have much time to post and don't wish to remove my vote from doomy just yet but agree that James and Neb are decent candidates as well. Also suspicious of Shrew's submarining + connection to nark. That said, I wouldn't be surprised if the 40 phd thing was a hidden power/quack role on both sides.

I'll try and post more tomorrow evening.

What posts connected me to Nark?

I'm going to unvote Neb.

[Minister Masket]

Either way, vote jamesker.
I should note that even though JamesKer said:

If Doom dies tonight and he is scum, I would fully expect you and everyone else to lynch me in the next day. I would do so myself if I were you. It would be a mistake, but I would completely understand. If he is town, then I would expect my name to be cleared (assuming he dies and that is proven).

I am not willing to reciprocate on this.

Here's what I mean. This happened before James got all that pressure on him and started lying about his role, so this vote kinda came out of nowhere. And you seemed rather confident in your vote.

(In all seriousness, is the "Doc with 40 PHD's" thing worth looking into?)

Yes... I have 40 PhDs and so does (if he will frigging play) Shadowstar...

I am town. So my feeling is he would be town... or my scum opposite. ..

Think this deserves bringing up again. I'm more inclined to believe a town/scum than town/town duo here.
Shadowstar hasn't been replaced yet has he?

About the PR: good catch Masket for flamingo, was trying to be subtle for shits and giggles but yeah, I didn't have it day 1 so either Chu is being silly or someone gives PRs as part of their roles. Dunno if there's a link with you posting pictures
I dunno if there's any effect but it's enforced strictly. So bleh we'll see...

My PR is just to include an image in every alternate post. Like so:



I have been trying to make each and every one relevant to my posts. ^^
That's been there since the start though. Don't think Chu would randomly give them out after the start so someone probably gave you that. Are there even roles that dish out PR's?

[DoomYoshi]

[ And you seemed rather confident in your vote.

WRONG! According to ga7 I doubted my vote. Is ga7 a liar?

second, the post you quoted was after he claimed? your entire chronology is so wrong, I expect you to tell me that Minoccino is one of the original 150. thanks for paying attention, now go back to your rock.

[DoomYoshi]

EBWOP

[ And you seemed rather confident in your vote.

WRONG! According to ga7 I doubted my vote. Is ga7 a liar?

second, the post you quoted was after he claimed!

Here's what I mean. This happened before James got all that pressure on him and started lying about his role, so this vote kinda came out of nowhere. And you seemed rather confident in your vote.

your entire chronology is so wrong, I expect you to tell me that Minoccino is one of the original 150. thanks for paying attention, now go back to your rock.

[Minister Masket]

[ And you seemed rather confident in your vote.

WRONG! According to ga7 I doubted my vote. Is ga7 a liar?

second, the post you quoted was after he claimed? your entire chronology is so wrong, I expect you to tell me that Minoccino is one of the original 150. thanks for paying attention, now go back to your rock.

Methinks with ga7 it's a 'lost in translation' issue. You think I'm in his pocket? No sir!

Ok, rephrase, you voted him before people knew he was lying about his role.

[DoomYoshi]

[ And you seemed rather confident in your vote.

WRONG! According to ga7 I doubted my vote. Is ga7 a liar?

second, the post you quoted was after he claimed? your entire chronology is so wrong, I expect you to tell me that Minoccino is one of the original 150. thanks for paying attention, now go back to your rock.

Methinks with ga7 it's a 'lost in translation' issue. You think I'm in his pocket? No sir!

Ok, rephrase, you voted him before people knew he was lying about his role.

The claim was either BS or he was a VT. Since a townie has no reason to lie about his role, and a VT isn`t a great loss, how is this a problem?

Do you not admit that this makes your whole point of me leading the charge on him false?

[safariguy5]

If we can get a resolution on Shadow *ahem* chu... then I'd be fine with moving on to something else. Otherwise, I feel that the inactives are going to drag us down eventually which may be part of the reason why it's very difficult to build consensus/get lynches right now.

[iAmCaffeine]

I'm still around, waiting for replacements on the inactive players. This game seems pointless without them.

[jonty125]

Inactives need replacing/killing/sorting out in general. I don't think Doom acted scummy regarding James, but I'm open to the idea that he may of been scummy in other issues.

[rishaed]

yes inactives need sorting out, but we have people "active" who hardly post as well..... it gets difficult to achieve reads on these people. I suggest we go after one of these. Those posting enough to seem active, but not completely inactive. Its typical scum behavior.

[jonty125]

I suggest we go after one of these.

Care to put a name to "these".

[Anarkistsdream]

yes inactives need sorting out, but we have people "active" who hardly post as well..... it gets difficult to achieve reads on these people. I suggest we go after one of these. Those posting enough to seem active, but not completely inactive. Its typical scum behavior.

GA7 or Flores or Shrew or Sheep or Exile.... But most of all, IRON BUTTERFLY, where my vote already lies... He is active in other games, posting at least daily, but nothing here...

[DoomYoshi]

vote shadow

Let`s end this.

FTR, I do support modkills on inactives.

[Anarkistsdream]

FTR, I do support modkills on inactives.

Ditto, but our mod is inactive, too.

40 PhDs

[The Weird One]

Assuming the accuracy of my vote count on page 48 [I'm fairly confident in it...there were only three pages of gameplay by that point], here is the new official vote count [Ok'ed by Fircoal]:


DoomYoshi = 4 (ga7, FloresDelMal, Minister Masket)

Shadowstar = 3 (safariguy5, rishaed, DoomYoshi)

Iron Butterfly = 3 (Anarkistsdream, Nebuchadnezer, new guy1)

With 21 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.