A Cino Filled Mafia (2/27) *Game Over*

[Commander9]

I agree with Iron Butterfly... We most certainly will have at least three different factions, but we basically know that already by Commander9 saying he was "basically" a cult leader.

I believe that allowing him to survive and start picking off townies is ridiculous and that all of you who aren't in agreement with me are most likely scum or some other third-party character.

As for having a post restriction, of course I do... A lot of us do. I have seen several people with the same PR as me, so far... Because my 40 PHDs are so much cooler than your ZERO!

So, as I said last night, I will keep my vote on Com9 and FOS everyone who voted him and then changed their vote.

So, how come several of you admit to how odd Commanders claim was so early on, yet refuse to vote an admitted cult recruiter?

Seriously, how?

Out of 32 pages of text, it is the BEST THING WE HAVE TO GO ON.... Nothing else is going to come of Day 1 except a bunch of WIFOM and FOSing....................

Use today's vote to make your decisions for the next day, but let's move the day along, folks!!!!

(While I polish my 40 PhDs)

Mind providing a quote? I've *NEVER* once said I was cult - and i have nothing to do with it. The only time I mentioned something was in my 1st post and that was clearly a joke.

Apart from roughly 3 people, everyone else shamefully bandwagoned and voted without anything reasonable or anything that even remotely makes sense.[/i]

Which 3 people?

Out of all people in my wagon (or the ones that want to kill me), the ones that have at least semi-legitimate reasons are Talapus, Skoffin (even though I disagree with both of their logic) and *maybe* Mandy, but I think he more so looked for an easy target.

My, oh my, this is a fircoal game already.Let's get started.
Before I get to the main stuff, MM seems to have some kind of meme related pr. I think.

IloveCaffeine, who probs I'll just refer to as Caffeine ticked some classic newbie slightly scummy boxes (admittign to bandagoning, asking why don't we just no lynch) but seems to more of the newbie than scummy really.

Commander obviously has some kind os posting restriction, however anti-fircoal pr doesn't necessarily mean anti-town role. Why would he actually admit or out himself as a recruiter on day 1? Really not too sure what to make of him so far. It's possible that the claim was also written into the pr, but seems a bit sadistic. It is also noteworthy that i think commander is playing a bit more aggressive and out there then i remember him playing. Something is off.

I find it odd however how much people seem to agree with Tal so far, and how people even shouted down Neb. Neb disagreed with Tal over Commander, and rishaed was voting neb for derailing the discussion and "pushing for a quick lynch" where all i saw was discussion.

ummmm, I'm confused. That wasn't my argument at all. My argument was that there was no need to waste a lynch on Com9 when someone could off him in the night.

Sorry, Tal, but I don't agree with this logic.What happens with commander depends on whether we think he is anti-town or not. Leaving it for the night is a bad tactic, especially in a fircoal game. Days are surefire and lynches are almost always guaranteed to work, even in a fircoal game, as lynch-proof characters are fucking rare. If the town does think commander is anti-town, delaying until night is a dumb move. Roleblockers, doctors, vests, night is very unpredictable compared to day. So no, I don't get this argument. It was also quite reckless for Talapus to go beyond telegraphing that we should nightkilling commander and actually saying we should. IF commander is a cult leader and Tal is a doctor protecting him like this could earn him a recruitment while he protects commander, say.


What's more is that I don't like how much Rishaed has been parroting Talapus. Rishaed agrees with him about commander, tal starts attacking neb, rishaed starts attacking neb, tal votes for neb rishaed throws in his vote as well...

I *ALWAYS* play super-aggressive unless I'm a survivor. Whether I am cult, mafia or town, I always like to be in the driving position. The only thing that is "off" with me that i want to lynch Fircoal - for all the right reasons

[The1exile]

5) I also love the reddened part:
“I don't think he is revealing all about his role.” Versus “So now, with his latest post, let's revisit his actual claim” all in the same post Can you explain where I’ve claimed?
6) Can you explain how I “DELIBERATELY TRIED TO MISLEAD TOWN”?

Are you serious? I quoted it in the post you quoted ffs.

I still strongly believe commander9 is our best net for a lynch. Instead of defending himself by actually trying to find scum his defences are "I was sarcastic", getting all OMGUS over day one suspicions, and STILL trying to hint that his role is important despite his earlier claim to be a townie with a post restriction.

[DoomYoshi]

One more question Commander: are you allowed to deny a claim or is that a PR also?

Are you a dayvig/daycop unlimited JOAT?

Nark and the1exile seem to have the worst PR. They both are forced to post things that don't make sense.

[Anarkistsdream]

One more question Commander: are you allowed to deny a claim or is that a PR also?

Are you a dayvig/daycop unlimited JOAT?

Nark and the1exile seem to have the worst PR. They both are forced to post things that don't make sense.

Thank you for the love of god for noticing it... Other people may be 'ignoring' my 'annoying' posts because they are obviously walking through life with their head up their non higher degree having ass

[Anarkistsdream]

This is just as good if not better than most other reasons my genius mind can see....

What if we're all cult, mafia and sk'ers? I know what I'd do - I'd vote Fircoal!

Vote Fircoal.

Only a nontownie would think that way...

Vote Commander9

That's very true! That's why I *must* vote Fircoal.

[Commander9]

One more question Commander: are you allowed to deny a claim or is that a PR also?

Are you a dayvig/daycop unlimited JOAT?

Nark and the1exile seem to have the worst PR. They both are forced to post things that don't make sense.

There's nothing in there about denying, so I'm assuming I can do that. Since Fircoal didn't state anything like that (and that's it's such a great idea to lynch him), then unless I'm told otherwise, I'll go with this.

No to all 3 of them, but there's truth in all of them as well. I don't think that it's a standard thing that I have as there's no such role name and I've never seen something exactly quite like it, although some roles did have a roughly similar idea behind it.

This is just as good if not better than most other reasons my genius mind can see....

Really?

I... Um... Yeah, okay. This is Day 1 on R&R mafia all over....

[DoomYoshi]

Ok, I thought that if you were forced to agree with all roles, that might explain why you claimed yes to cult.

[Talapus]

This is just as good if not better than most other reasons my genius mind can see....

What if we're all cult, mafia and sk'ers? I know what I'd do - I'd vote Fircoal!

Vote Fircoal.

Only a nontownie would think that way...

Vote Commander9

That's very true! That's why I *must* vote Fircoal.

All this proves to me is that odds are damn good com9 has a PR and a possible win condition for get chu lynched. I certainly don't get "Hi, I'm com9 and I'm a cult leader from that." Obviously your PR sucks as you've stated a few things now as almost absolute truth so I won't jump on you for that...it's a Fircoal game after all. But honestly if I had to guess as to who was a cult leader I'd say it was James based on the fact he openly admits to not reading long posts. Mainly because a cult leader wouldn't give a damn what arguments were made between town and mafia as he if his own faction. The fact that he had time to read the thread, post I'm too busy right now to respond and promise to talk later, and it still being 2 or 3 days since that tells me it's time to replace his ass.

[Talapus]

On a side note I'm thrilled I don't have a PR as my role explanation would truly make it e bitch to implement. With replacements coming in another day or so as Fircoal said he'd replace the ones who didn't respond then it means discussions from the rest of us may pick up.

[Talapus]

Except he seems scummy and an admitted cult leader... WTF is the problem with you all? That should be instant death. A third party death is better than town AND lets you know who backed whom.

Here it is, found the quote I remembered reading that bugged me. I disagree completely with this logic when put in context of the previous post from you about how everyone not voting Com9 is scum. IF Com9 is a cult leader and if based on the logic that scum back scum, then that would mean there is the potential for 9 plus cult members from the get go of this game. I have never played a game that would be that completely unbalanced from the get go. Seriously the only way that logic makes sense is all the people not voting Com9 are cult if he's 3rd party and I don't buy that for a second. Three factions maybe 4 but town should always and I mean always start out with the advantage. Fircoal is cruel and messed up some times but even he isn't a sadist. And quite honestly there is no reason for us to be playing if the cult group has that many members so far, again even assuming there is one.

[rishaed]

Except he seems scummy and an admitted cult leader... WTF is the problem with you all? That should be instant death. A third party death is better than town AND lets you know who backed whom.

Here it is, found the quote I remembered reading that bugged me. I disagree completely with this logic when put in context of the previous post from you about how everyone not voting Com9 is scum. IF Com9 is a cult leader and if based on the logic that scum back scum, then that would mean there is the potential for 9 plus cult members from the get go of this game. I have never played a game that would be that completely unbalanced from the get go. Seriously the only way that logic makes sense is all the people not voting Com9 are cult if he's 3rd party and I don't buy that for a second. Three factions maybe 4 but town should always and I mean always start out with the advantage. Fircoal is cruel and messed up some times but even he isn't a sadist. And quite honestly there is no reason for us to be playing if the cult group has that many members so far, again even assuming there is one.

The part about third parties (which in a game this large i propose that there certainly are some), and we don't even know if there IS a cult, its not mod confirmed. I don't have experiences with Fircoal games but if he did have a cult w/ 9 people that'd be a third of the pop, throw in 4/5? Mafia and Town/Third/Fourth Party? then I'd expect cult couldn't recruit which is redundant to say that it's just not possible to have a cult that large D1.

[Commander9]

Ok, I thought that if you were forced to agree with all roles, that might explain why you claimed yes to cult.

I never claimed cult (unless you mean vote stage when mandy wrote a joke and I agreed - *hint* *hint* there was a same overreaction on me on day 1 in R&R mafia and the other guy turned out to be mafia). I can pretty much say nothing about my role, but have extensive knowledge which I should be able to convey assuming I survive - which is not likely.

All this proves to me is that odds are damn good com9 has a PR and a possible win condition for get chu lynched. I certainly don't get "Hi, I'm com9 and I'm a cult leader from that." Obviously your PR sucks as you've stated a few things now as almost absolute truth so I won't jump on you for that...it's a Fircoal game after all. But honestly if I had to guess as to who was a cult leader I'd say it was James based on the fact he openly admits to not reading long posts. Mainly because a cult leader wouldn't give a damn what arguments were made between town and mafia as he if his own faction. The fact that he had time to read the thread, post I'm too busy right now to respond and promise to talk later, and it still being 2 or 3 days since that tells me it's time to replace his ass.

Just as I've stated at the very beginning, my winning condition has *NOTHING* to do with it although I can assume if Fir would actually get lynched (99.9% not happening), something could happen but apart from my condition, I have nothing to do with Chu. I'd say the whole cult deal has been blown out of proportion without there even being solid evidence of existence of one. Assuming we have one, I doubt it'd be as obvious and as easy as to lynch and find him d1.

[Anarkistsdream]

The only reason I am glad people haven't bandwagoned is that at least Com9 is playing! Better than many of the others... also, sadly, I think people are not getting the point... Com9 is going after Fir, or should be.... Notice a similarity to what I am doing? Seriously, people can be thick headed sometimes until you spell it out for them...

[safariguy5]

Except he seems scummy and an admitted cult leader... WTF is the problem with you all? That should be instant death. A third party death is better than town AND lets you know who backed whom.

Here it is, found the quote I remembered reading that bugged me. I disagree completely with this logic when put in context of the previous post from you about how everyone not voting Com9 is scum. IF Com9 is a cult leader and if based on the logic that scum back scum, then that would mean there is the potential for 9 plus cult members from the get go of this game. I have never played a game that would be that completely unbalanced from the get go. Seriously the only way that logic makes sense is all the people not voting Com9 are cult if he's 3rd party and I don't buy that for a second. Three factions maybe 4 but town should always and I mean always start out with the advantage. Fircoal is cruel and messed up some times but even he isn't a sadist. And quite honestly there is no reason for us to be playing if the cult group has that many members so far, again even assuming there is one.

The part about third parties (which in a game this large i propose that there certainly are some), and we don't even know if there IS a cult, its not mod confirmed. I don't have experiences with Fircoal games but if he did have a cult w/ 9 people that'd be a third of the pop, throw in 4/5? Mafia and Town/Third/Fourth Party? then I'd expect cult couldn't recruit which is redundant to say that it's just not possible to have a cult that large D1.

Yep, there is no evidence of any cult besides some joke stuff. I definitely think we could have third parties or multiple anti town factions, but I see no real evidence of any cult. Someone says cult and suddenly everyone loses their minds. Let's not jump to conclusions here...

[Minister Masket]

On a side note I'm thrilled I don't have a PR as my role explanation would truly make it e bitch to implement.

Lucky for some.

Wait...one wonders if one can guesstimate your role from this.

[Minister Masket]

The only reason I am glad people haven't bandwagoned is that at least Com9 is playing! Better than many of the others... also, sadly, I think people are not getting the point... Com9 is going after Fir, or should be.... Notice a similarity to what I am doing? Seriously, people can be thick headed sometimes until you spell it out for them...

[Nebuchadnezer]

The only reason I am glad people haven't bandwagoned is that at least Com9 is playing! Better than many of the others... also, sadly, I think people are not getting the point... Com9 is going after Fir, or should be.... Notice a similarity to what I am doing? Seriously, people can be thick headed sometimes until you spell it out for them...

Um...I think I get it, but for me to pick up on that without you specifically pointing it out was a long shot for me. Anybody else have a PR? I am now highly amused by Fircoal...and convinced he is rather sadistic. Besides the chatter about what could and could not be in the game (talking just to talk), I haven't seen anything that's really caught my attention. I know I'm one of the options...I know we need a claim...I think Comm has the most votes, but yet wonder if he can even make a claim?

Beyond that, I'll admit, I'm still lost. Still here, but lost...

[rishaed]

The only reason I am glad people haven't bandwagoned is that at least Com9 is playing! Better than many of the others... also, sadly, I think people are not getting the point... Com9 is going after Fir, or should be.... Notice a similarity to what I am doing? Seriously, people can be thick headed sometimes until you spell it out for them...

yup.....you and your 40 phd's ..... That being said, it'll make for an interesting game. And you almost made it too.... He was just moments away from getting a new car. That also being said, depending on how many of these PR's we have in the game it could make things very interesting/confusing gotta try and keep things straight.... find it interesting that it would be comm9 though.

[The Weird One]

Very limited internet access. Will read and post, tomorrow, sometime. Apologies.

[jonty125]

There I was thinking I had a case on nark, and then he has that ridiculous PR. I still don't support a comm9 lynch. Erm, I think that's everything.

[sheepofdumb]

Yep, there is no evidence of any cult besides some joke stuff. I definitely think we could have third parties or multiple anti town factions, but I see no real evidence of any cult. Someone says cult and suddenly everyone loses their minds. Let's not jump to conclusions here...

With 27 players I have a feeling a cult is bound to be mixed in there somewhere. But there's really nothing we can do about it today unless by some miracle we lynch the cult leader.

[Rodion]

Unvote jokevote.

Sorry for the inactivity, but the last 10 pages were excruciatingly painful to read.

So far, the gist of the game seems to be:

1 - Commander gets crucified for a jokevote+PR.
2 - Talapus says we should not waste a lynch on Commander because he is surely going to die.
3 - Neb argues with Talapus, who at some point votes Neb.
4 - Talapus rages at the world.
5 - Yoshi brings his MS theory about long posts and sidetracks the game discussing with Rishaed.
6 - Jonty makes a case on Exile and then drops it.
7 - Caffeine is sure he's found at least 2 scum.
8 - Nark has a PR that is either related to having 40 PhDs, voting Commander, not making sense or 2-3 of the above (clarify, please?).

I have a suggestion to make: how about we all mention whether we do or do not have a PR (and, if possible, go ahead and outright say what the PR is)? That could save us a lot of trouble.

As far as voting goes, right now I'm having trouble digesting this game. Maybe Yoshi brought a valid point after all?

[nagerous]

Hi guys. I am in Spain for the next week with very limited Internet access. Replace me if necessary. Mentioned it in the sign up - apologies

[Minister Masket]

I have a suggestion to make: how about we all mention whether we do or do not have a PR (and, if possible, go ahead and outright say what the PR is)? That could save us a lot of trouble.

A fair point. Couple of people have already spotted I have one. Not that it's hard to miss...

[Anarkistsdream]

I have a suggestion to make: how about we all mention whether we do or do not have a PR (and, if possible, go ahead and outright say what the PR is)? That could save us a lot of trouble.

A fair point. Couple of people have already spotted I have one. Not that it's hard to miss...

I disagree... This would just make it easier for scum to use this against us...