A Cino Filled Mafia (2/27) *Game Over*

[The Weird One]

I, personally, would hope we have a competent and active doc who would keep the cop alive, should they claim their role and publish a report, which I think they should.

We all would, sir...Hope for the best but expect the worst and whatnot...might as well not hinge all the plans on that.

As far as the promised thoughts and vote: So far, we have a few major subjects of conversation [please correct me if I'm wrong]:

Commander9 - we really aren't sure of anything other than him having to egg us on to vote for fircoal [though that hasn't been confirmed...it could just be a bluff to get us to lynch him...very doubtful, but it is possible]. Though he does not have to vote Fircoal, himself. When/if the Chu gets lynched, his role unlocks to do something [at least that's what he claims]. He made an early post in which inferred that he was an sk, cult, or mafia. This was either sarcasm [I have since been told that I'm not allowed to make a decision on what is and is not sarcasm, so I shall leave that up to that angry mob over there. You know: the one with the torches and pitchforks...], an accidental slip that infers what his role is, a joke not meant to be taken seriously, or an intentional comment meant to prod us into lynching him. The overwhelming majority of those after him seem to be thinking he's a cult leader, but, assuming that it was an accidental slip, he could also be scum or sk. For the moment, though, I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt. I've been mobbed day one, before, and it sucks. People tend to see scumtells where jokes were meant [see buffy mafia]. [Not that I can't be persuaded to lynch him...I just think that some thought should be given to everyone, right now.]

jamesker - You openly admitted to not reading the long posts. That is simply sloth. Please do us all a favor and actually read them. That being said, you might not read this if this post ends in how long I think it might. Skimming is scummy, but I don't think that your admitting to it is a scumtell...I feel it's more of just laziness.

Nebuchadnezer - Talapus really summarized the argument better than I can, myself. Essentially, your seeming apathy for who gets lynched. That sounds like an anti-town role of some sort...Though it could just be an understandable "I just want this madness to get over with so we can have an organized Day 2" sentiment. I'm not necessarily going to jump in the witch hunt after you, right now because I think that was a case of just wanting to be done with it.

DoomYoshi -

Anyways, the next person that mandy votes for I will also vote for and bulldog them incessantly since I can't remember a time when he was wrong.

I'm going to assume that this is sarcasm...It makes my fingers twitch a bit, I'll admit, but you got at least one vote for this comment [I'd find the quote but I have a class coming up and have to rush this a bit. I remember reading it, distinctly, though, so bah and humbug to your skimming accusations].

iamCaffeine - Each of your mistakes, thus far, seem to be more out of ignorance than any scummy intentions. I'm not ruling you out, at this point, but, at the same time, I don't think that you deserve the wrath of the town for not knowing the fashion in which the game is played, here.

Talapus - You are here because someone accused you of supporting Commander9. As you said: you are not defending him so much as saying that he will probably die, tonight [well, there's a chance of a busdriver/doc happening...I've seen mafia docs, before. It wouldn't surprise me]. We could always delay the lynch until day 2. A day1 only jester is something that I have seen crop up, before, and that would stop that from working. That being said: I doubt he's a jester. It's just a possibility. Anyway, back to Talapus. You have been pushing for us to actually look at the smaller scumtells that might not have been so obvious but are still quite telling. That is what I am attempting to do, here. With all the skimmers we have, I might as well try to get some useful conversation going, and this might help. I feel that his death tonight is not as surefire as you claim. If we lynch him, and he does turn out to be scum, I can see suspicion splashing to you, but you -to me, at least- seem to be trying to keep the town from wasting day one. Your intentions are good, but your reasoning might be a bit naive [as far as the corpsified tonight bit goes].

If I missed any, please add them. I have a class across campus in fifteen minutes, so I'm having to rush a lot, right now. Apologies. I shall try to make a more complete list after I get out of class. I just wanted to get this out there sooner rather than later.

Other thoughts: In response to Commander9's accusation to me of skimming: I didn't read the votecount, fully, I'll admit. I read that you had voted for someone else, but it didn't register with me as a sincere vote due to your constant push to lynch the Chu. In hindsight, that view is flawed because that is a post restriction of yours. My apologies.

My vote will stay as it is, for now. I'll try and make a decision in a couple of hours, once I'm out of class. For now, though: FOS Commie, Neb, and Doom

Other other thoughts: can we please get some prods on inactives?

[Talapus]

Quite honestly I think neb and James are two options for voting worth looking into at the moment and both because of their less than stellar comments. Anyone who advertises they don't read long posts or is so completely indifferent on which faction may win the game or their win conditions is a clear danger to the rest of us. I expect Skoffin to skim as we have all come to expect it, I know Fircoal has the attention span of a goldfish so am impressed when he just puts a coherent thought together. However to come into the thread and start your argument with some BS about how you don't even read the long posts tells me you don't care and shouldn't be here. Why the hell should we listen to your argument when you clearly didn't read ours? And seriously, you shouldn't be playing the damn game if you are indifferent on who wins. Seriously get replaced.

[Talapus]

Talapus - You are here because someone accused you of supporting Commander9. As you said: you are not defending him so much as saying that he will probably die, tonight [well, there's a chance of a busdriver/doc happening...I've seen mafia docs, before. It wouldn't surprise me]. We could always delay the lynch until day 2. A day1 only jester is something that I have seen crop up, before, and that would stop that from working. That being said: I doubt he's a jester. It's just a possibility. Anyway, back to Talapus. You have been pushing for us to actually look at the smaller scumtells that might not have been so obvious but are still quite telling. That is what I am attempting to do, here. With all the skimmers we have, I might as well try to get some useful conversation going, and this might help. I feel that his death tonight is not as surefire as you claim. If we lynch him, and he does turn out to be scum, I can see suspicion splashing to you, but you -to me, at least- seem to be trying to keep the town from wasting day one. Your intentions are good, but your reasoning might be a bit naive [as far as the corpsified tonight bit goes].

Fair enough, and I'm certainly not sure his death is surefire. I am almost certain however that is win condiotion or extra power role or whyever the hell it is Com9 dropped such obvious "tells" is dictated by his or Fircoal's lynch. More over I think some of the other posts from a few players is seriously lacking anything the rest of us should have to deal with just because they are lazy or indifferent. Should Com9 turn up scum and the evil eye of suspicion turn my way it's fine with me. I would just rather see us persue a lynch that doesn't completely screw us as I think Com9's might. Off him in the night, lynch someone tonight and we have twice the data to analyse tomorrow.

[jonty125]

OK, unvote my jokevote.

Next, Comm9. In my eyes, his joke been taken as a bluff, I reckon what he said, was a joke.

Now my short case, for those who don't read long posts. (Notice the sarcasm there)

Vote TFO for being an uber noob.

I'm getting the hang of this.

Such a FALE

Anyways, the next person that mandy votes for I will also vote for and bulldog them incessantly since I can't remember a time when he was wrong.

I remember when I thought the same as you! then Mandy turned out to be mafia and manipulated us all. I can only assume you are his accomplice. FOS Doomy and Mandy

However I am not convinced by mister totally-not-roleclaiming and if he IS a cultist, then we'd better find that out now before it ramps up. In fact, given there's so many people in this game, I would not be surprised if there's multiple factions, or at least weird roles, so I would rather not end the day on a no-lynch.

Vote Commander9

Firstly, "The Red Part":you are not convinced he is town by him not roleclaiming. Why the hell would he claim, he is not @ L-2. Or turned up scum in an investigation, in fact, it would be more scummy to claim under little pressure than to claim under little pressure. Secondly, "The Orange Part": you geninuely think there is a possibility that he is a cultist AND he "leaked this info on D1". Lets have at look at where this all came from.

So you are a Cult Leader with a voting restriction (because it's a Fircoal game so it's a thing)?

Cool, my vote stays on you.

Yup, you've figured it out, Sherlock

Also, voting restriction was not explicit, so I *may* be able to vote someone else, but why would I ever want that when I can just vote Fircoal? There are specific restrictions that I can't do or talk, so this is all I can say about that. I will test something out, tho:

Unvote. Vote Nags.

Now, if you can't see the sarcasm there, I would recommend going to the opticians, and getting some glasses.

First of all... *Facepalm* They were clearly joking and you're taking it for their face values and then finally listen to them?

This is Day 1 in mafia! All we have to go on are what people say in this thread. And many a true word is spoken in jest.

Now, explain a few things, if you don't mind:
1) What does this have ANYTHING to do with roleclaiming and where did that come from?
2) Where did you get the cult idea?

You're the one who keeps talking in vague terms about your role. Perhaps it was intended to suggest you're important but actually it makes you seem suspicious, and since a no lynch is not an advisable strat on day 1, Skoffin's point that even if you are not scum we'll glean a fair bit of info from your death is very relevant. And the cult presence is a theory... but an entirely plausible one. And the worst thing you can do with a cult is not realise they exist until they've got too many members.

Literally, everything as of now has been a joke vote stage and so your logic (correct if I'm wrong) is that one person that has an unfortunate "need" to post one specific thematic and *will* attract attention with it (and apparently no one else has anything) will be the cult. Yes, because, you know, cult/mafia/scum is totally not known for laying low.

This is just a terrible attempt at defence. "you can't have caught me out, because if I was scum, I wouldn't have been caught out".

"The Orange Part": (because it is related to Comm9 been cult, like the previous orange part)"Many a true word is spoken in jest." Now this is your reasoning for why Comm9 sarcastically agreeing to Mandy's comment, makes him a cultee. I think it is absolute trollop. If somebody were to accuse me as a cult leader IN THE JOKEVOTE STAGE I would plead guilty as it would be humourous, regardless of my role. I cannot fathom, how you can think he was been serious.

"The Red Part": (because it is related because it is related to the part about him not roleclaiming, like the previous red part) why would he reveal all about his role, when he's not at L-2???

So vote: TheExileOne I acknowledge that there are others on the Comm wagon but this player has attempted to address the points set in the case, and they disappoint me.

[Minister Masket]

There is still time to sway the votes in another direction people. We have the data that so many of you want and hopefully some power role will off Com9 tonight *Nudge, Nudge, Wink Wink, Whoever you are*

So I still think killing him and lynching someone else is our best bet. Or you know someone with a power role just take his ass out*COUGH, COUGH* Whomever you are best be paying attention because I'm talking to you.

I'm going to take a wild stab in the dark here and assume you have a killing role.

[The Weird One]

Jonty makes a good point. It would appear that every post of substance made by exile has been aggressively pursuing Commander9 and making strong inferrences from little to nothing. That being said, he's not the only one doing that, this game. I'd rather not rush into lynching Commander. The more I think about it, the more I feel that it might be a big misunderstanding. I'm rather on the fence about him. Exile, on the other hand is looking awfully tempting, but I'm hesitant to throw my vote around. I honestly don't think I can do a better job explaining the exile thing than Jonty, though. Looks like a seasoned player jumping on an easy prey. There are other seasoned players doing this, but none so aggressively [at least, in my opinion...I have been known to make numerous mistakes]. The closest is aage...He's also been more active in the thread. Exile, though, after confirming and one or two insubstantial votes [pretty sure only one] jumped on the Commie wagon before too many other people...this would avoid him being called out for bandwagoning. After that, he's done naught but push for commie's lynch rather more fervently than one might expect with the little bit of evidence had.

[Talapus]

There is still time to sway the votes in another direction people. We have the data that so many of you want and hopefully some power role will off Com9 tonight *Nudge, Nudge, Wink Wink, Whoever you are*

So I still think killing him and lynching someone else is our best bet. Or you know someone with a power role just take his ass out*COUGH, COUGH* Whomever you are best be paying attention because I'm talking to you.
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I'm going to take a wild stab in the dark here and assume you have a killing role.

Nope, but wish I did. I'm doing that in hopes that the person with the roll will realize to off Com9. The fact that there is rampant skimming is this game and certain people say don't even read long posts makes me velive I can't hide the fact that we should kill Com9. I'm just posting that way so gob forbid that power roll goes to a skimmer they will still know what they must do.

[Talapus]

Sigh.....chat to txt fail right there. Will use laptop instead of phone next time.

[DoomYoshi]

What is it with everybody in here skimming, seriously guys take the time and play the game this is BS. Yes I edited that post, if you took the time to look back I edited EVERY POST I MADE before we got roles and the game started, It was a joke and because the game hadn't started it is perfectly fine.

Why would you edit those posts though?

Secondly I have said multiple times I think lynching Com9 is a waste of a lynch since someone can just off him tonight. KILL HIM, but by all means lets not waste a lynch on it.Then if there is a win condition with a lynch of himself or Fircoal he doesn't get it...which I have also stated. No where have I stood up for Com9...NO WHERE. Had you not blatantly skimmed you would see that. The fact that you and so many others can't seem to be bothered to read the posts and actually clarify what was said or bring the basic facts forward floors me. You are one of several now that just skim and post. Seriously if you don't have the time to read(Which you just admitted you don't read long posts) Then what the hell are you doing in here playing?

this is dumb. Vig can be RB'ed, Com9 can be doctored, there is probably a Lightning Rod, busdriver and everyone else. You probably want someone to kill him tonight because you are mafia and then you can busdrive the kill to a target of your choice.

Yes prod the inactives and yes for the love of god take the time to read posts and stop skimming because you are lazy. What a complete waste of time. If this is truly how this game is going to go and half the players would rather skim and not be productive then Fircoal can replace me now. What a complete waste James, and if I didn't think neb was a good target to vote for I'd be voting you for the fact you admit you won't even take time to read long posts. Another useless townie is not what the game needs.

Ad hominem attacks mean you don't actually have a point.

Finally, it was proven over a year ago that long posts and cases are anti-town. I realize the mafiascum meta isn't the same as the meta here, but you can get off your high horse about long posts. The longer your post, the more likely it is to contain falsehoods, because mafia is a game of imperfect information.

vote Talapus

[DoomYoshi]

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DoomYoshi -

Anyways, the next person that mandy votes for I will also vote for and bulldog them incessantly since I can't remember a time when he was wrong.

I'm going to assume that this is sarcasm...It makes my fingers twitch a bit, I'll admit, but you got at least one vote for this comment [I'd find the quote but I have a class coming up and have to rush this a bit. I remember reading it, distinctly, though, so bah and humbug to your skimming accusations].

The quote you would need to find is the one where mandy is wrong. It hasn't happened.

[Talapus]

What is it with everybody in here skimming, seriously guys take the time and play the game this is BS. Yes I edited that post, if you took the time to look back I edited EVERY POST I MADE before we got roles and the game started, It was a joke and because the game hadn't started it is perfectly fine.

Why would you edit those posts though?
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LMAO, so you quote me on a topic I'm talking about which is skimming and you obviously skimmed the quote as you missed the answer to your own question...ARE YOU SERIOUS???? That's a new low Yoshi even for you.

Come on guys we can do better then this. Play the game or get replaced.

[StubbsKVM]

I'm having a real hard time sorting this game out.
Some of the features on mafiascum would be nice here.

This post is empty, I know. But I'll try and catch up when I have the time to start rereading from the beginning. I haven't got a clue what's going on.

is there a deadline yet?

[DoomYoshi]

I know Fircoal has the attention span of a goldfish so am impressed when he just puts a coherent thought together.

The longest post i ever saw in a mafia game was a Fircoal post.

The longest post I ever saw in a forum was a Zelda fan melding the maps of Hyrule.

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Re: this above post. Why no green part comments? I don't mind the colors after all, it just seems weird.

also:
"I would plead guilty as it would be humourous, regardless of my role."

Is it actually humorous? Have you ever laughed during the jokevote stage. I never did.

CULTS ARE NO LAUGHING MATTER

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FP'ed by Talapus: that isn't actually an answer. Why would you edit a joke? Why would you edit a post just because you can?

[The Weird One]

I'm having a real hard time sorting this game out.
Some of the features on mafiascum would be nice here.

This post is empty, I know. But I'll try and catch up when I have the time to start rereading from the beginning. I haven't got a clue what's going on.

is there a deadline yet?

Not yet.

[safariguy5]

What doom? Since when have long posts and cases been proven to be anti-town? I remember quite vividly Fir's long post at the end of Day 1 of POTC and he was not mafia or cult. Granted it was a defense post, but I don't see your logic at all.

Secondly, TWO brings up a good point about how we jumped to Com9=cult based on extremely shaky reasoning. Although exile may have been among the first to imply cult, he wasn't the only one. However, this has led to a certain amount of fearmongering that I think is excessive. I don't think that the mere possibility of cult is enough to automatically assume Com9 is the recruiter when we have precious little evidence apart from mod meta of it being a Fir game. To me, a lot of these votes on Com seem to operate under the assumption that he either is cult or will become cult which is a huge leap of faith.

Quick note here, one post from shrew to say he's lurking is not paying the mafia bills. FOS Shrew. I know stubbs is around, he's a pretty active mafia player nag, wouldn't worry about him.

Finally, between neb and james, admitting you don't read the posts is more dangerous to me than apparent alignment apathy (alliteration amirite?). Apathy to alignments smacks more of third party survivor to me while skimming posts is a sign of possible bandwagonning later.

unvote vote james (yes I know unvotes are not necessary, call it force of habit Fir)

[Fircoal]

Finally, it was proven over a year ago that long posts and cases are anti-town.

LOLWUT?

[Fircoal]

The longest post i ever saw in a mafia game was a Fircoal post.

irl I'm know as the filibuster. ;3

(IT'S TRUE)

[Talapus]

this is dumb. Vig can be RB'ed, Com9 can be doctored, there is probably a Lightning Rod, busdriver and everyone else. You probably want someone to kill him tonight because you are mafia and then you can busdrive the kill to a target of your choice.

Personally I think a lynch on Com9 is a waste of a lynch. So we will have to agree to disagree. As for the second half opinion it is I addressed that too in an earlier post probably even on the same page you got the quote. Which means you skimmed again and missed it. I said it would be stupid for mafia or town busdriver to switch com9's role as if he is third party then he could go nuts and the faction that busdrove him could technically lose this game for their side. So ya Doom, thanks again for skimming.

Yes prod the inactives and yes for the love of god take the time to read posts and stop skimming because you are lazy. What a complete waste of time. If this is truly how this game is going to go and half the players would rather skim and not be productive then Fircoal can replace me now. What a complete waste James, and if I didn't think neb was a good target to vote for I'd be voting you for the fact you admit you won't even take time to read long posts. Another useless townie is not what the game needs.

Ad hominem attacks mean you don't actually have a point.

Finally, it was proven over a year ago that long posts and cases are anti-town. I realize the mafiascum meta isn't the same as the meta here, but you can get off your high horse about long posts. The longer your post, the more likely it is to contain falsehoods, because mafia is a game of imperfect information.

vote Talapus

I have zero idea what this quote has to do with your argument. I hate to break it too you, the only falsehoods so far has been your skimming of mine. Which is sad as your posts are far shorther than things I have typed up. Legnths of posts have no bearing on alignment...I mean seriously talk about a stretch.

[DoomYoshi]

Finally, it was proven over a year ago that long posts and cases are anti-town.

LOLWUT?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=22437

This is two seperate points.

The main point is that wall posts are anti-town and a majority of players agree with that. The logical extension is that cases themselves are anti-town.

[Fircoal]

Finally, it was proven over a year ago that long posts and cases are anti-town.

LOLWUT?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=22437

This is two seperate points.

The main point is that wall posts are anti-town and a majority of players agree with that. The logical extension is that cases themselves are anti-town.

Oh gosh mafia scum.

I think anyone who knows me play style well enough will figure that I don't agree at all. However I think that is for another place as it is my personal opinion and has nothing to do with this game.

[DoomYoshi]

Finally, it was proven over a year ago that long posts and cases are anti-town.

LOLWUT?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=22437

This is two seperate points.

The main point is that wall posts are anti-town and a majority of players agree with that. The logical extension is that cases themselves are anti-town.

Oh gosh mafia scum.

I think anyone who knows me play style well enough will figure that I don't agree at all. However I think that is for another place as it is my personal opinion and has nothing to do with this game.

Too bad. This is now a duel.

[Talapus]

I know Fircoal has the attention span of a goldfish so am impressed when he just puts a coherent thought together.

The longest post i ever saw in a mafia game was a Fircoal post.

The longest post I ever saw in a forum was a Zelda fan melding the maps of Hyrule.

What the heck does him posting long have to do with his attention span? I've seen him make long spam posts that mean nothing. In fact I've seen just straight up spam from him for several paragraphs. Besides I modded Batman mafia and if you look there were multiple instances he said scenes were too long and he got bored so skimmed them. What a joke of an argument this is. Not really even an argument. Just a misplaced notion.

[DoomYoshi]

Point 1: Walls make it harder for town, since they have more to read. They increase skimming, even for players who are fairly careful, since the more that you have to remember, the harder it is to remember.

[Fircoal]

Finally, it was proven over a year ago that long posts and cases are anti-town.

LOLWUT?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=22437

This is two seperate points.

The main point is that wall posts are anti-town and a majority of players agree with that. The logical extension is that cases themselves are anti-town.

Oh gosh mafia scum.

I think anyone who knows me play style well enough will figure that I don't agree at all. However I think that is for another place as it is my personal opinion and has nothing to do with this game.

Too bad. This is now a duel.

http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=6904815

[Fircoal]

I know Fircoal has the attention span of a goldfish so am impressed when he just puts a coherent thought together.

The longest post i ever saw in a mafia game was a Fircoal post.

The longest post I ever saw in a forum was a Zelda fan melding the maps of Hyrule.

What the heck does him posting long have to do with his attention span? I've seen him make long spam posts that mean nothing. In fact I've seen just straight up spam from him for several paragraphs. Besides I modded Batman mafia and if you look there were multiple instances he said scenes were too long and he got bored so skimmed them. What a joke of an argument this is. Not really even an argument. Just a misplaced notion.

You do know Batman happened like 5 years ago?

Considering I have been one of the youngest mafia players (At least one of the youngest main mafia players) for a long while, those 5 years mean a lot!

(Also I don't like reading long things that don't have case relevance.)