A Cino Filled Mafia (2/27) *Game Over*

[aage]

Why have commander blocked? In the occasion he is actually town, he won't have a way to prove it since any ability he may have is unusable. Three courses of action are possible in your plan: (a) we lynch Commander on a later day anyways, which means we might as well lynch him today; (b) we never ever lynch Commander, which means you don't want him dead for some scummy reason; (c) we wait until the town cop investigates Commander and tells us what alignment he is, which requires the town cop to claim. Neither of these three courses of action make sense.

What would make sense is for Commander to tell us why he should not be lynched and why he is so focussed on Fircoal, but apparently he doesn't feel like sharing... hence the votes.

First off your three courses of action are all wrong.....you aren't looking at this clearly. Your first option "we lynch Commander on a later day anyways, which means we might as well lynch him today" correct we would lynch someone else today. But you are smoking something powerful and wonderful if you really think there is a chance in hell Com9 lives through the night. Guaranteed he will be targeted by multiple parties so I highly doubt if we don't lynch him, that he'll be with us next game day. The one advantage to us not lynching his ass as I said before is IF there is a win condition based on a lynch of him or Firocal he doesn't get it. Because he would have been offed in the night. Then regardless of his alignment he is still dead, no win condition plays out, and we have an inactive lynched from the night before....so sounds like a sweet deal to me.


"we never ever lynch Commander, which means you don't want him dead for some scummy reason" You are jumping to major conclusions based on so little fact it's astonishing. Never lynching his ass isn't a bad thing, again I think the odds of him living through the night are less then 3.5%. So this would never even be an issue. That you draw a conclusion I don't want him dead fascinates me as we don't even know if he is town or scum. If he is town, and I wanted him dead that would be scummy. If he is mafia and I wanted him alive that too would be scummy. But unless you are aware of his alignment, then this conslusion is complete bs. If you are aware of his alignment by all means state it now, otherwise stop assuming people are scum for not voting a maybe scum member or maybe town member.

"we wait until the town cop investigates Commander and tells us what alignment he is, which requires the town cop to claim" Once again a completely moot point. I'd bet money in Vegas he won't live through the night. Mainly because if he is third party cult, mafia will target his ass or town will target his ass tonight. Third party screws up the other two factions chances of winning. Sorry, Com9 is an outcast in my mind right not. I don't think lynching him helps us as it may sway what sounds like a win condition with his roll. But if he happens to die in the night then he is gone anyway and we focused our energy else where day one which I think is what we should do. He seems like a wasted lynch to me right now. If Com9 gets lynched , (and I said I was willing to vote him as a lynch is better than none) and he wins this damn game because a bunch of people jumped on the bandwagon and he has a win condition I will hate you all. Half the games I have ever played of Fircoals have players with completely ridiculous win conditions. Just saying.

If he dies tonight anyway, why did you propose blocking him in the first place?

[Talapus]

The notion that we should rely on mafia to take out Comm in the night is ridiculous

I agree, which is probably why I never said it . Right now I think as the only case that has come forward strongly today that he will be targeted by multiple parties tonight. As for the "we should take care of our own shit" comment I agree with that too. Someone please kill him in the night and it solves our problem.

I disagree with your next statement though.

lynching Comm at the point will give us far more information than lynching any other player currently. There are enough people pushing him and defending him that we can find a solid place to start from tomorrow.

Lynching him isn't necessary. As I said I'm sure he will be targeted by multiple people and I doubt he'll live through the night. With 27 roles in this game there is no way town doesn't have a few that can assure that. So it's a waste of a lynch. He dies when morning rolls around and we still learn his alignment and what's going on, on top of that if he has a win condition it's more likely he won't get it because we didn't lynch his ass. Even more on top of that, we would still have the evidence to go on for tomorrow on who bandwagoned him or who didn't as he is currently at lynch 3.

So no, I'm not saying his death won't give us info I'm saying you aren't looking at it in the best light possible. We lynch him then that data is all we have to go on tomorrow. We don't and lynch someone else(Can be anyone, doesn't have to be an inactive it was just a thought). Then we will have that death and quite possibly Com9's by morning and thats twice the data we'd ever get if we just considered lynching Com9. I don't understand why this is a bad plan. I'd rather have more to go on then who voted or didn't vote Com9 the next day....what a complete waste of time since we already have that.

If he dies tonight anyway, why did you propose blocking him in the first place?

Two reasons:

First, we can't guarantee he will be but it's damn likely half the power roles here will target his ass tonight. If he ilives through the night it would be amazing.

Secondly, it's not like the town is losing anything by have one of them block Com9 in case he lives. Think about it, we don't know who town cops, docs, or vigilantes are at moment. I'd rather have a role blocker or some other role similar to that block Com9(In case he doesn't end up murdered tonight) instead of a useful power role by accident.

There is still time to sway the votes in another direction people. We have the data that so many of you want and hopefully some power role will off Com9 tonight *Nudge, Nudge, Wink Wink, Whoever you are* God help us if this role wen to an inactive. We need more discussion going on though so we can find a more viable target. There is no reason to waste the entire first day for one possible scum when we still have time to get 2

[Talapus]

I have to head to work but will look over the thread upon returning and hopefully see something, small though it may be. Honestly my vote on Doom at this moment still doesn't look like a bad choice.

[rishaed]

unvote.... will post thoughts later tonight Homework is the order of the day so far.

[nagerous]

Fair enough, I'm kind of just hopping on the bandwagon at the moment.

Well that's a convincing enough post to make me decide who I think deserves to be lynched

vote iAmCaffeine

[nagerous]

Fair enough, I'm kind of just hopping on the bandwagon at the moment.

Well that's a convincing enough post to make me decide who I think deserves to be lynched

vote iAmCaffeine

EBWOP

unvote vote iAmCaffeine

[new guy1]

Fair enough, I'm kind of just hopping on the bandwagon at the moment.

Well that's a convincing enough post to make me decide who I think deserves to be lynched

vote iAmCaffeine

EBWOP

unvote vote iAmCaffeine

Hes a new player and you know that. I wouldnt take the easy way out, and would look at it from the perspective that he is new, could have phrased it better, but did not have the knowledge to. FOS nag

[Fircoal]

Fair enough, I'm kind of just hopping on the bandwagon at the moment.

Well that's a convincing enough post to make me decide who I think deserves to be lynched

vote iAmCaffeine

EBWOP

unvote vote iAmCaffeine

Read the rules you.

[nagerous]

Fair enough, I'm kind of just hopping on the bandwagon at the moment.

Well that's a convincing enough post to make me decide who I think deserves to be lynched

vote iAmCaffeine

EBWOP

unvote vote iAmCaffeine

Hes a new player and you know that. I wouldnt take the easy way out, and would look at it from the perspective that he is new, could have phrased it better, but did not have the knowledge to. FOS nag

I don't know shit, I haven't played mafia in over a year. I don't know who is new and who isn't.. all I know is that a crap reason for voting someone which shows very limited effort being put in which in my eyes warrants a proper vote. Bandwagoning is weak and piss poor, you've played enough games - you should know that.

[new guy1]

I'm in.

>not a vet
>sobs

Confirmed, but I really have no idea what's going on.

Twice in the game. Its his first time, thats all. I didnt mean to come on as hostile as I did in the first post.

[DoomYoshi]

Lynching him isn't necessary. As I said I'm sure he will be targeted by multiple people and I doubt he'll live through the night. With 27 roles in this game there is no way town doesn't have a few that can assure that. So it's a waste of a lynch. He dies when morning rolls around and we still learn his alignment and what's going on, on top of that if he has a win condition it's more likely he won't get it because we didn't lynch his ass. Even more on top of that, we would still have the evidence to go on for tomorrow on who bandwagoned him or who didn't as he is currently at lynch 3.

This gives an easy target for an SK or mafia to make themselves look like a vig though.

[Nebuchadnezer]

The notion that we should rely on mafia to take out Comm in the night is ridiculous

I agree, which is probably why I never said it . Right now I think as the only case that has come forward strongly today that he will be targeted by multiple parties tonight. As for the "we should take care of our own shit" comment I agree with that too. Someone please kill him in the night and it solves our problem.

I disagree with your next statement though.

lynching Comm at the point will give us far more information than lynching any other player currently. There are enough people pushing him and defending him that we can find a solid place to start from tomorrow.

Lynching him isn't necessary. As I said I'm sure he will be targeted by multiple people and I doubt he'll live through the night. With 27 roles in this game there is no way town doesn't have a few that can assure that. So it's a waste of a lynch. He dies when morning rolls around and we still learn his alignment and what's going on, on top of that if he has a win condition it's more likely he won't get it because we didn't lynch his ass. Even more on top of that, we would still have the evidence to go on for tomorrow on who bandwagoned him or who didn't as he is currently at lynch 3.

So no, I'm not saying his death won't give us info I'm saying you aren't looking at it in the best light possible. We lynch him then that data is all we have to go on tomorrow. We don't and lynch someone else(Can be anyone, doesn't have to be an inactive it was just a thought). Then we will have that death and quite possibly Com9's by morning and thats twice the data we'd ever get if we just considered lynching Com9. I don't understand why this is a bad plan. I'd rather have more to go on then who voted or didn't vote Com9 the next day....what a complete waste of time since we already have that.

If he dies tonight anyway, why did you propose blocking him in the first place?

Two reasons:

First, we can't guarantee he will be but it's damn likely half the power roles here will target his ass tonight. If he ilives through the night it would be amazing.

Secondly, it's not like the town is losing anything by have one of them block Com9 in case he lives. Think about it, we don't know who town cops, docs, or vigilantes are at moment. I'd rather have a role blocker or some other role similar to that block Com9(In case he doesn't end up murdered tonight) instead of a useful power role by accident.

There is still time to sway the votes in another direction people. We have the data that so many of you want and hopefully some power role will off Com9 tonight *Nudge, Nudge, Wink Wink, Whoever you are* God help us if this role wen to an inactive. We need more discussion going on though so we can find a more viable target. There is no reason to waste the entire first day for one possible scum when we still have time to get 2

I'm not buying what talupuss is selling. It's filled with WIFOM and a bunch of "what-ifs." The only way to know for sure is to just lynch Commander9. If he's a jester and wins and the game is over, fine. I doubt that will happen. Talapuss seems to be trying to scare us into not voting Commander9, without any real solid evidence as to why we shouldn't...it's just off for me. Granted the case of "Commander9 is annoying me with his constant Furcoal" message isn't real strong, but I think it's better than anything else at the moment.

[Talapus]

I'm not buying what talupuss is selling. It's filled with WIFOM and a bunch of "what-ifs." The only way to know for sure is to just lynch Commander9. If he's a jester and wins and the game is over, fine. I doubt that will happen. Talapuss seems to be trying to scare us into not voting Commander9, without any real solid evidence as to why we shouldn't...it's just off for me. Granted the case of "Commander9 is annoying me with his constant Furcoal" message isn't real strong, but I think it's better than anything else at the moment.

I actually feel like I should vote you based on skimming alone. Unfortunately this isn't just you doing it, but there are a few things about your post that really bother me. First of course this game is filled with what-if's, it's a mafia game. But the what-if's in my points are no more crazy then the what-if's with the alignment of com9 and if it's better to lynch him or not so that's a completely moot point. I would bet money he isn't a jester so not sure where that came from. But the fact that you would be fine with that scenario tells me you don't care about his alignment or role that much at all and certainly aren't in this for the town's benefit if that's your attitude. I'm also not trying to scare you into doing anything. I'm simply putting forth a valid argument that a lynch on him is wasted. We off him in the night and lynch someone else we have twice the info to go off of the next day...the fact you don't see that is puzzling. As for the "solid evidence" as to why we shouldn't lynch him I could ask the same for why we should.....oh wait there isn't anything solid, I must have forgotten . And based on your last sentence alone you make it sound like because Com9's posts talk about Fircoal and that it annoys you, it is grounds enough to make it the best case for lynching all day. So if one of us annoys you tomorrow does that make us the best candidate?

In this post alone you made it clear to me you don't truly care about alignments and that is bad for any game. Second the fact that you ask for solid evidence when obviously there is none tells me you are being fairly unreasonable with thinking things out before acting...also dangerous for town. Finally the fact you are willing to vote someone because you find their PR annoying pretty much tells me other players in this game may be getting voted by you later as well because if you know anything about Fircoal you would know he is annoying and loves to send out the most random and annoying roles. I'm sure we'll see more than one PR pop up though out. That fact that you openly ask for solid evidence though and claim Com9 is the best choice for a lynch however not based on solid evidence but by annoyance of PR tells me you are useless to us as a mafia player right now and a danger to everyone in this game. So congrats, I don't even need to look back through the thread. You just became the clear danger to anyone playing in this because you aren't willing to look at reasoning, you don't necessarily care about win conditions for other players, and you willing ask for facts yet base your vote on none and instead are willing to vote based on how PR's make you feel. You made that choice easy for me...

Vote:Nebuchadnezer

[Talapus]

This gives an easy target for an SK or mafia to make themselves look like a vig though.

Possible sure....But with 27 players and I'm sure more than one person targeting him tonight no one is gonna come forward and claim anything tomorrow because they won't know if their action succeeded or someone else's did. If they were stupid enough to come forth and say something than none of us would or should trust that individual .

[JamesKer1]

So here's all my reasoning and two cents and whatnot, don't want to type too mcuh and bore you guys. I usually don't read through most of the really long posts anyways....

Reasoning behind lynching Comm9:

Early on, he stated that fircoal is somehow connected to his role, which makes him important to the game. Lynch him and we might see some surprises fircoal might have left for us He is also highlighted on fir's list, either that means he is important or that he is close to lynching, who knows.

Tal Reasonings:

I want to start off with this...

"Re: A Cino Filled Mafia (?/?) *Sign Ups Still Running*

Postby Talapus on Sat Aug 31, 2013 6:18 pm
Some one should spam LSU as well and get him in here.
Last edited by Talapus on Sat Aug 31, 2013 6:20 pm, edited 1 time in total."

...And then move on to other issues I have with tal.

He has been backing the non-lynch of comm9 this whole time, making himself suspicious. Just because there is no hard evidence, which there never really is, that someone is guilty does not mean that they are not to be lynched. This is all speculation, but I believe that Tal and Comm are in roles that involve or are a part of the success of/being in the mafia. It makes so much more sense why Tal would stick up for him like he has been.


CONCLUSION/SUGGESTION:
Vote Commander9 for first day, then see what his role is. If it is mafia related or a killing third party role, we need to lynch tal unless something else comes up.

That is my contribution for day one. Enjoy it.

Also, are we allowed to message inactives to get their butts in here and vote, but not tell them who to vote in our messages or discuss any other aspects of the game with them?

[Talapus]

So here's all my reasoning and two cents and whatnot, don't want to type too mcuh and bore you guys. I usually don't read through most of the really long posts anyways....

Reasoning behind lynching Comm9:

Early on, he stated that fircoal is somehow connected to his role, which makes him important to the game. Lynch him and we might see some surprises fircoal might have left for us He is also highlighted on fir's list, either that means he is important or that he is close to lynching, who knows.

Tal Reasonings:

I want to start off with this...

"Re: A Cino Filled Mafia (?/?) *Sign Ups Still Running*

Postby Talapus on Sat Aug 31, 2013 6:18 pm
Some one should spam LSU as well and get him in here.
Last edited by Talapus on Sat Aug 31, 2013 6:20 pm, edited 1 time in total."

...And then move on to other issues I have with tal.

He has been backing the non-lynch of comm9 this whole time, making himself suspicious. Just because there is no hard evidence, which there never really is, that someone is guilty does not mean that they are not to be lynched. This is all speculation, but I believe that Tal and Comm are in roles that involve or are a part of the success of/being in the mafia. It makes so much more sense why Tal would stick up for him like he has been.


CONCLUSION/SUGGESTION:
Vote Commander9 for first day, then see what his role is. If it is mafia related or a killing third party role, we need to lynch tal unless something else comes up.

That is my contribution for day one. Enjoy it.

Also, are we allowed to message inactives to get their butts in here and vote, but not tell them who to vote in our messages or discuss any other aspects of the game with them?

What is it with everybody in here skimming, seriously guys take the time and play the game this is BS. Yes I edited that post, if you took the time to look back I edited EVERY POST I MADE before we got roles and the game started, It was a joke and because the game hadn't started it is perfectly fine.

Secondly I have said multiple times I think lynching Com9 is a waste of a lynch since someone can just off him tonight. KILL HIM, but by all means lets not waste a lynch on it.Then if there is a win condition with a lynch of himself or Fircoal he doesn't get it...which I have also stated. No where have I stood up for Com9...NO WHERE. Had you not blatantly skimmed you would see that. The fact that you and so many others can't seem to be bothered to read the posts and actually clarify what was said or bring the basic facts forward floors me. You are one of several now that just skim and post. Seriously if you don't have the time to read(Which you just admitted you don't read long posts) Then what the hell are you doing in here playing?

Yes prod the inactives and yes for the love of god take the time to read posts and stop skimming because you are lazy. What a complete waste of time. If this is truly how this game is going to go and half the players would rather skim and not be productive then Fircoal can replace me now. What a complete waste James, and if I didn't think neb was a good target to vote for I'd be voting you for the fact you admit you won't even take time to read long posts. Another useless townie is not what the game needs.

[rishaed]

I will agree with Talapus on this one.... Not reading long posts??? Good cases are full of long posts. And on the off chance that you are useful, and I was a vig I'd off you myself for that one. Comm9 will bring confusion to the game with his vote Fircoal PR stuff, but I think we have more useful directions. vote Nebuchadnezer As for the killing in the night if someone does I think it will be a vig/SK NOT the mafia. Why? B/c if they can count on someone else to kill them then why should they waste the kill?

[The Weird One]

I'm not buying what talupuss is selling. It's filled with WIFOM and a bunch of "what-ifs." The only way to know for sure is to just lynch Commander9. If he's a jester and wins and the game is over, fine. I doubt that will happen. Talapuss seems to be trying to scare us into not voting Commander9, without any real solid evidence as to why we shouldn't...it's just off for me. Granted the case of "Commander9 is annoying me with his constant Furcoal" message isn't real strong, but I think it's better than anything else at the moment.

Without Talapus's argument, this post just reeks of suspicion, to me. Yes, I was one of the initial few to jump after Commie for his early post, but I agree that the odds of him surviving the night at this point are low. Your apathy there is disturbing. That being said: The rampant skimming, in this thread is depressing. I'll admit, in games past, I have been guilty of just that, but Jamesker admitting to not reading long posts!?! I just don't know, anymore...I just got consistent internet back and read through the thread [barely any internet, over the weekend...sorry about that]. I'm too tired to put together many more thoughts on this matter, right now...I'm going to unvote, but, since Fir isn't counting those: Vote Atheismo, the almighty [this is nothing but an unvote...Chu, count whichever you'd rather.] Tomorrow, after classes get out [about twelve hours from this post], I'll sit down and actually try to contribute some more. I'd do more, now, but I need to get some sleep. Talapus is making a lot of sense...I doubt commie shall live the night, and, at the same time, I realize that Fircoal is almost as sadistic as I am when it comes to handing out roles...I can see me doing something like giving an attention-getting PR on a jester just for giggles [yes, I'm a far worse mod than Fircoal, but our senses of humor as far as roles do seem to match up at points]...therefore I feel like the Chu is capable of it, too. Iamcaffeine deserves a look, though. New player or not, blatantly admitting to bandwaggoning for the sake of bandwagonning...that's a bit unsettling. Jamesker...with all the skimming...bah! Again, I'll be able to form a coherent thought, tomorrow...I'll put those down, then.

[Minister Masket]

We off him in the night and lynch someone else we have twice the info to go off of the next day...the fact you don't see that is puzzling.

This is a Fircoal game. There's bound to be many busdrivers and a lightning rod involved. Are you really sure it's going to be that simple? After all:

First of course this game is filled with what-if's, it's a mafia game.

[rishaed]

Can we get prods on inactives?
Iliad in particular comes to mind he hasn't posted since he signed up...

[iAmCaffeine]

I don't see why we have to lynch first day. In my experience, with nothing remotely concrete to go on, lynching is a shot in the dark and a waste of time. After the first night's actions we'll have a clearer idea of what's going on.

Secondly, we don't even know which roles are involved in this game and from what I gather Fircoal runs a very unorthodox mafia, so maybe waiting would also help clarify the situation too.

[aage]

I don't see why we have to lynch first day. In my experience, with nothing remotely concrete to go on, lynching is a shot in the dark and a waste of time. After the first night's actions we'll have a clearer idea of what's going on.

This entire game is a waste of time then.

[The Weird One]

I don't see why we have to lynch first day. In my experience, with nothing remotely concrete to go on, lynching is a shot in the dark and a waste of time. After the first night's actions we'll have a clearer idea of what's going on.

Secondly, we don't even know which roles are involved in this game and from what I gather Fircoal runs a very unorthodox mafia, so maybe waiting would also help clarify the situation too.

Waiting would only give the anti-town roles a chance to start making full use of their abilities. Day one lynch is a bit of a shot in the dark, but information can be gathered by how viciously people assault or defend the unfortunate one. When their role is known, we can have a better idea of who is and who is not anti-town. Not lynching on day one will lead to the same clusterf*** that we had, today. The first night's actions will most likely just lead to confuse us whether there is or is not a lynch. If any form of investigatory role does happen to be successful, why would they come forward on day 2 with their findings. There would be no benefit to it. They would manage to get that one individual lynched, to be sure [provided they are lucky enough for us to believe them], but then they'd probably get every kill ability focused on them during the night. While, with the potential of busdrivers and with the existence of docs, it is possible for them to survive the sky falling on them, that would involve them putting an awful lot of trust in the our competency for those with the protective roles to not be inactive, inept, or skimmers. It's a risk that generally isn't taken that early in the game. With a Fircoal game, you never know what roles are involved...In short: a no lynch best benefits the scum in almost every day 1.

[iAmCaffeine]

I don't see why we have to lynch first day. In my experience, with nothing remotely concrete to go on, lynching is a shot in the dark and a waste of time. After the first night's actions we'll have a clearer idea of what's going on.

This entire game is a waste of time then.

I don't see why we have to lynch first day. In my experience, with nothing remotely concrete to go on, lynching is a shot in the dark and a waste of time. After the first night's actions we'll have a clearer idea of what's going on.

Secondly, we don't even know which roles are involved in this game and from what I gather Fircoal runs a very unorthodox mafia, so maybe waiting would also help clarify the situation too.

Waiting would only give the anti-town roles a chance to start making full use of their abilities. Day one lynch is a bit of a shot in the dark, but information can be gathered by how viciously people assault or defend the unfortunate one. When their role is known, we can have a better idea of who is and who is not anti-town. Not lynching on day one will lead to the same clusterf*** that we had, today. The first night's actions will most likely just lead to confuse us whether there is or is not a lynch. If any form of investigatory role does happen to be successful, why would they come forward on day 2 with their findings. There would be no benefit to it. They would manage to get that one individual lynched, to be sure [provided they are lucky enough for us to believe them], but then they'd probably get every kill ability focused on them during the night. While, with the potential of busdrivers and with the existence of docs, it is possible for them to survive the sky falling on them, that would involve them putting an awful lot of trust in the our competency for those with the protective roles to not be inactive, inept, or skimmers. It's a risk that generally isn't taken that early in the game. With a Fircoal game, you never know what roles are involved...In short: a no lynch best benefits the scum in almost every day 1.

Thanks for actually explaining, TWO.

Fair enough then. The mafia games I'm used to playing online are much quicker and interactive, not done via a forum. Plus, if they're inactive, they're kicked after a day or night, depending when they became inactive. That's a very short summary.

I'm willing to lynch, given the arguments for and against. I don't think we should lynch Commander9 though, which is ironic since I rashly jumped on the bandwagon. But if he's just a fool of some kind that can only vote for Fircoal then, until later stages where we need votes to be secure, I don't see him as a threat. Nebuchadnezer on the other hand seems to be pushing for a quick lynch, and that seems pretty scummy to me. Unvote Commander9; Vote Nebuchadnezer.

I, personally, would hope we have a competent and active doc who would keep the cop alive, should they claim their role and publish a report, which I think they should.

[Talapus]

We off him in the night and lynch someone else we have twice the info to go off of the next day...the fact you don't see that is puzzling.

This is a Fircoal game. There's bound to be many busdrivers and a lightning rod involved. Are you really sure it's going to be that simple? After all:

First of course this game is filled with what-if's, it's a mafia game.

Hell no, I'm never certain of anything in a Firoal game, especially my own safety. However I think that if there are busdrivers whomever they are would be idiots for switching Com9 as there is a complete possibility he is a third party cult. Everyone here is in to win the game be it for their own faction or not. Actually saving Com9's ass could be the downfall of everyone else so I'm not too concerned with worrying about that. I sure as hell hope the doctors don't protect his ass as no one has made any case what so ever to keep him alive. And Com9 gave up very quickly after a few revealing posts so either his PR states to expose himself and not fight or he put out just enough info assuming we'd lynch him and not argue the fact anymore hoping that would happen. I am convinced something bad for us happens if he or Fircoal is lynched or there is an instant win involved somehow for him. So I still think killing him and lynching someone else is our best bet. Or you know someone with a power role just take his ass out*COUGH, COUGH* Whomever you are best be paying attention because I'm talking to you. We are screwed if you have a power role with that capability and are one of the many inactives so am hoping these prods Fircoal was prompted to send out get responded too.

Finally, I'm hoping, and I mean REALLY hoping Com9 didn't guess the magic number for Firocal games in a PM. Because I can completely see Fircoal making a player bulletproof or unlynchable or some crap like that. Was there a winner? Can we get an answer? I'm not saying tell everyone what you won if you did, would just be nice to know Com9 doesn't get it.