A Darker Shade of Black Mafia [6/14] Endgame:Rebuilding

by **safariguy5** on Thu Aug 22, 2013 1:35 pm

Yeah, I just can't see how we could have both cult and an anti town NK in a 14 person game. Occam's razor considering the presence of VT's leans more towards mafia and SKer.

Interesting. If we had a town roleblocker, I would think they had a good shot at roleblocking one of the killers and a claim would probably lead to either mafia or SK lynch. However, if the mafia roleblocked the SKer, then obviously revealing themselves would be unwise. It does lead to the possibility that mafia will target the SKer with the next NK as SKer is a danger to mafia as well as town.

by **aage** on Thu Aug 22, 2013 6:39 pm

safariguy5 wrote:Yeah, I just can't see how we could have both cult and an anti town NK in a 14 person game. Occam's razor considering the presence of VT's leans more towards mafia and SKer.

Interesting. If we had a town roleblocker, I would think they had a good shot at roleblocking one of the killers and a claim would probably lead to either mafia or SK lynch. However, if the mafia roleblocked the SKer, then obviously revealing themselves would be unwise. It does lead to the possibility that mafia will target the SKer with the next NK as SKer is a danger to mafia as well as town.

It's not a mafia roleblocker. The successful kill was clearly done by a single entity ("a color") so the SK wasn't blocked. This means that if there is mafia and an SK, the mafia failed in their kill.
Also, if you want to read anything into the scene, you will have to deduce who "the stranger" is: the one color, the stalker(s), the familiar face or the bystander. Another thing that crossed my mind was a role I can't remember the name of: masons with someone every night, if he targets mafia he dies. It would explain how a mason gets busdriven. It's a very obscure role though.

I would really like to advance the day to a lynching phase but I got nothing. All discussion so far has been on flavor, and my Stubbs lead is a bad one for day 2 so I won't follow up on it.

by **rishaed** on Thu Aug 22, 2013 7:04 pm

Vote Count:

Edocsil (1) - DoomYoshi

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch. No deadline right now.

by **jonty125** on Fri Aug 23, 2013 2:15 am

aage wrote:Another thing that crossed my mind was a role I can't remember the name of: masons with someone every night, if he targets mafia he dies. It would explain how a mason gets busdriven. It's a very obscure role though.

Recruiting Mason, it's in the nifty little flash doc, that we recommend for new players.

http://brianlance.net/mscumB.swf

by **aage** on Fri Aug 23, 2013 4:41 am

jonty125 wrote:
aage wrote:Another thing that crossed my mind was a role I can't remember the name of: masons with someone every night, if he targets mafia he dies. It would explain how a mason gets busdriven. It's a very obscure role though.

Recruiting Mason, it's in the nifty little flash doc, that we recommend for new players.

http://brianlance.net/mscumB.swf

Yes, exactly. Thanks.

by **Iron Butterfly** on Fri Aug 23, 2013 5:11 pm

As far as the night scene is concerned I don't think we can take it literally as rishead wrote it to hide/protect the colors name. We are after all playing,"A darker shade of 8888 mafia" (I do not wish to test the rule). If the color names were posted it would literally be a road map for both mafia and town to follow.

In my opinion we had a save do to any number of roles, be it Doc, jailor, blocker.

There is not anything we can do about the setup of the game but I do not believe we have cult as that would be silly. we can all agree with that. We all agreed to play so no use complaining about the unknown.

I believe we have sk/mafia.

by **DoomYoshi** on Sat Aug 24, 2013 11:40 am

I just realized that until a deadline hits, we can effectively have unlimited lynches today. Everybody just "bote" you want to lynch and then when we reach a majority that player has to post the name of a color. If they don't post the name of a color then we "vote" them, it becomes official and they get lynched the old-fashioned way.

This is the most beneficial I have ever seen an SK be.

by **jonty125** on Sat Aug 24, 2013 11:58 am

DoomYoshi wrote:I just realized that until a deadline hits, we can effectively have unlimited lynches today. Everybody just "bote" you want to lynch and then when we reach a majority that player has to post the name of a color. If they don't post the name of a color then we "vote" them, it becomes official and they get lynched the old-fashioned way.

This is the most beneficial I have ever seen an SK be.

Are you volunteering to keep track of the botes/boats.

by **aage** on Sat Aug 24, 2013 12:39 pm

DoomYoshi wrote:I just realized that until a deadline hits, we can effectively have unlimited lynches today. Everybody just "bote" you want to lynch and then when we reach a majority that player has to post the name of a color. If they don't post the name of a color then we "vote" them, it becomes official and they get lynched the old-fashioned way.

This is the most beneficial I have ever seen an SK be.

So you agree that the SK is the rule creator and you want us to play into his game?

Have fun with that.

by **strike wolf** on Sat Aug 24, 2013 1:08 pm

Well you can go first if you think that way Doom.

by **DoomYoshi** on Sat Aug 24, 2013 2:42 pm

aage wrote:
DoomYoshi wrote:I just realized that until a deadline hits, we can effectively have unlimited lynches today. Everybody just "bote" you want to lynch and then when we reach a majority that player has to post the name of a color. If they don't post the name of a color then we "vote" them, it becomes official and they get lynched the old-fashioned way.

This is the most beneficial I have ever seen an SK be.

So you agree that the SK is the rule creator and you want us to play into his game?

Have fun with that.

Does it not seem as if the person who did the killing is a solo person and also started the rule? I think at this point, the scene has been analyzed enough.

I can keep track of the botes.

I do not understand what you mean strike wolf... are you saying i should be bote-lynched first? for wanting unlimited lynches?

by **strike wolf** on Sat Aug 24, 2013 2:56 pm

It was sarcasm.

No mafia or power role would ever sign off on that plan. "Hey admit that you're this color and die or we'll lynch you". :roll:

by **strike wolf** on Sat Aug 24, 2013 7:10 pm

Rereading your idea. I apparently had a slight misunderstanding. I see now that you said majority of votes as in they would be lynched anyways. Usually days end when the suspect hits L-0 anyways. Youd have to check with the mod on that.

Still Im unconvinced of the viability.

by **DoomYoshi** on Sat Aug 24, 2013 8:22 pm

The point is that we wouldn't be actually putting them at L-0

by **aage** on Sat Aug 24, 2013 9:36 pm

DoomYoshi wrote:The point is that we wouldn't be actually putting them at L-0

Yes, and therefore only the people the SK wants dead will be killed per the rule.

I still don't get where you're going with this. Do we simply go through the list of players until someone doesn't die? (and therefore "must" be the SK?)

by **DoomYoshi** on Sat Aug 24, 2013 11:11 pm

aage wrote:
DoomYoshi wrote:The point is that we wouldn't be actually putting them at L-0

Yes, and therefore only the people the SK wants dead will be killed per the rule.

I still don't get where you're going with this. Do we simply go through the list of players until someone doesn't die? (and therefore "must" be the SK?)

I thought it was a modkill if the rule was broken.

by **aage** on Sun Aug 25, 2013 5:45 am

DoomYoshi wrote:
aage wrote:
DoomYoshi wrote:The point is that we wouldn't be actually putting them at L-0

Yes, and therefore only the people the SK wants dead will be killed per the rule.

I still don't get where you're going with this. Do we simply go through the list of players until someone doesn't die? (and therefore "must" be the SK?)

I thought it was a modkill if the rule was broken.

So then why would someone voluntarily break the rule?

by **DoomYoshi** on Sun Aug 25, 2013 9:29 am

Otherwise they would get lynched for reals.

by **aage** on Sun Aug 25, 2013 11:39 am

DoomYoshi wrote:Otherwise they would get lynched for reals.

So then we would be sacrificing ourselves for the "greater good", even though there is a huge chance you're wrong. Explain again why this is useful.

I'm not keen on getting the death count up. There already is mafia and an SK.

by **DoomYoshi** on Sun Aug 25, 2013 12:19 pm

aage wrote:
DoomYoshi wrote:Otherwise they would get lynched for reals.

So then we would be sacrificing ourselves for the "greater good", even though there is a huge chance you're wrong. Explain again why this is useful.

I'm not keen on getting the death count up. There already is mafia and an SK.

These are town decided deaths, though... so you think lynches are a bad idea?

bote aage for wanting to always no lynch.

by **aage** on Sun Aug 25, 2013 12:29 pm

DoomYoshi wrote:
aage wrote:
DoomYoshi wrote:Otherwise they would get lynched for reals.

So then we would be sacrificing ourselves for the "greater good", even though there is a huge chance you're wrong. Explain again why this is useful.

I'm not keen on getting the death count up. There already is mafia and an SK.

These are town decided deaths, though... so you think lynches are a bad idea?

bote aage for wanting to always no lynch.

I think lynches are a good idea.

by **Iron Butterfly** on Sun Aug 25, 2013 12:30 pm

DoomYoshi wrote:
aage wrote:
DoomYoshi wrote:Otherwise they would get lynched for reals.

So then we would be sacrificing ourselves for the "greater good", even though there is a huge chance you're wrong. Explain again why this is useful.

I'm not keen on getting the death count up. There already is mafia and an SK.

These are town decided deaths, though... so you think lynches are a bad idea?

bote aage for wanting to always no lynch.

vote Doom

For lying. lynch all liers. You said aage wants to always no lynch. that's not true and you know that's not true.

by **aage** on Sun Aug 25, 2013 12:47 pm

Iron Butterfly wrote:
DoomYoshi wrote:
aage wrote:
DoomYoshi wrote:Otherwise they would get lynched for reals.

So then we would be sacrificing ourselves for the "greater good", even though there is a huge chance you're wrong. Explain again why this is useful.

I'm not keen on getting the death count up. There already is mafia and an SK.

These are town decided deaths, though... so you think lynches are a bad idea?

bote aage for wanting to always no lynch.

vote Doom

For lying. lynch all liers. You said aage wants to always no lynch. that's not true and you know that's not true.

Doom strawmanning me isn't really a great lead tbh. I assume he's just fishing, and I don't blame him cause there is barely anything to go on.

Lynch all liars has nothing to do with this scenario though, it usually refers to night actions not adding up or lying about your role. Slight fos.

by **DoomYoshi** on Sun Aug 25, 2013 2:23 pm

aage wrote:
DoomYoshi wrote:
aage wrote:
DoomYoshi wrote:Otherwise they would get lynched for reals.

So then we would be sacrificing ourselves for the "greater good", even though there is a huge chance you're wrong. Explain again why this is useful.

I'm not keen on getting the death count up. There already is mafia and an SK.

These are town decided deaths, though... so you think lynches are a bad idea?

bote aage for wanting to always no lynch.

I think lynches are a good idea.

So why should we limit ourselves to one lynch if we have the potential to do unlimited lynches?

I don't understand what your fucking issue is.

by **rishaed** on Sun Aug 25, 2013 3:04 pm

Because it is about the current game mechanics I will reply to them.
Just because I'm not giving a deadline yet does not mean that if a person is lynched that I will not end the day.
It would completely disrupt the game balance for me to allow it, which I cannot do as a moderator.

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