End Game: Town Wins! (Island Mafia)

[new guy1]

Official Vote Count:

Zimmah: Sheepofdumb (L-6)
Rishaed: Safariguy, nebuchadnezer, Jonty (L-4)
Nebuchadnezer: Rishaed (L-6)
Sheepofdumb- Iron Butterfly, Doomyoshi, Zimmah, TFO (L-3)


With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is June 7th at around 5:00 PM Server time. Deadline extensions may be requested.

As a side note, I use detective and cop interchangeably. With this said, I will not confirm that either role is in the game, and will leave that to your discretion.

[Iron Butterfly]

unvote

The fact that newguy states that he uses detective and cop interchangeably gives me pause.

If there are no VTs this game and we are playing with the assumption we have three mafia and 1 sk, 9 roles needed to be filled.

There is no way there would not be a cop.

[Nebuchadnezer]

Official Vote Count:

Zimmah: Sheepofdumb (L-6)
Rishaed: Safariguy, nebuchadnezer, Jonty (L-4)
Nebuchadnezer: Rishaed (L-6)
Sheepofdumb- Iron Butterfly, Doomyoshi, Zimmah, TFO (L-3)


With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is June 7th at around 5:00 PM Server time. Deadline extensions may be requested.

As a side note, I use detective and cop interchangeably. With this said, I will not confirm that either role is in the game, and will leave that to your discretion.

Thanks Mod! Can everyone please get off our detective/cop now? The fact that you all think his claim is fake, but somehow totally trust the backup doc claim is beyond me. At least detective can be verified by night actions. Backup doc will never be proven.

Fastposted

[zimmah]

Well, since we have a doc and a semi-mod-confirmed cop, lets play a game of follow the cop than.

At least until the doc dies and the backup doc follows soon after becaus eh is identity is known.

Hopefully there's a watcher who can watch the backup doc as soon as the real doc dies, if that happens. At least than we'll have a clue who the killers are.

Unvote

[Djfireside]

I guess the clarification does put a little bit of a change to it. Still doesnt sit well with me but I would much rather have the option to play follow the cop.

[safariguy5]

Well, since we have a doc and a semi-mod-confirmed cop, lets play a game of follow the cop than.

At least until the doc dies and the backup doc follows soon after becaus eh is identity is known.

Hopefully there's a watcher who can watch the backup doc as soon as the real doc dies, if that happens. At least than we'll have a clue who the killers are.

Unvote

How are you so sure that we have a backup doc? And I figure mafia probably has a roleblocker specifically to prevent follow the cop. Not to mention that double the night kills means we would probably have fewer nights to play follow the cop before it's LYLO anyways.

Official Vote Count:

Zimmah: Sheepofdumb (L-6)
Rishaed: Safariguy, nebuchadnezer, Jonty (L-4)
Nebuchadnezer: Rishaed (L-6)
Sheepofdumb- Iron Butterfly, Doomyoshi, Zimmah, TFO (L-3)


With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is June 7th at around 5:00 PM Server time. Deadline extensions may be requested.

As a side note, I use detective and cop interchangeably. With this said, I will not confirm that either role is in the game, and will leave that to your discretion.

Thanks Mod! Can everyone please get off our detective/cop now? The fact that you all think his claim is fake, but somehow totally trust the backup doc claim is beyond me. At least detective can be verified by night actions. Backup doc will never be proven.

Fastposted

Bingo Neb. Backup doc is basically unverifiable. Smacks more of a fake to me than detective/cop. And sheep hasn't made as many missteps as rishaed.

[rishaed]

Official Vote Count:

Zimmah: Sheepofdumb (L-6)
Rishaed: Safariguy, nebuchadnezer, Jonty (L-4)
Nebuchadnezer: Rishaed (L-6)
Sheepofdumb- Iron Butterfly, Doomyoshi, Zimmah, TFO (L-3)


With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is June 7th at around 5:00 PM Server time. Deadline extensions may be requested.

As a side note, I use detective and cop interchangeably. With this said, I will not confirm that either role is in the game, and will leave that to your discretion.

Thanks Mod! Can everyone please get off our detective/cop now? The fact that you all think his claim is fake, but somehow totally trust the backup doc claim is beyond me. At least detective can be verified by night actions. Backup doc will never be proven.

Fastposted

I wouldn't say never. However I don't really care right now, I don't think Scum is tag-teaming to try and get me lynched with the back-and-forth between Saf and Neb. But I have no hard evidence on anyone right now, and unless a poster shows a hard time of getting some, and the only things I can use are WIFOM arguments which will, unless I can find a decent case, get me lynched. But so will voting lets say the inactive as a last resort, of which we currently don't have one. But if I were to use anything to vote/bring a case on anyone it might be lack of quality posting? Of which Chuck comes to mind, however so does gregwolf (with an ok pass?). I want to move this day forward. vote thechuck

[TheForgivenOne]

Based on what the mod said... Unvote

And Rishaed, your post boggled my mind. And the whole "Imma fish for a random case and hope it sticks" Makes me suspicious But you do bring up a point, his posts haven't been all that helpful.

[zimmah]

Well, since we have a doc and a semi-mod-confirmed cop, lets play a game of follow the cop than.

At least until the doc dies and the backup doc follows soon after becaus eh is identity is known.

Hopefully there's a watcher who can watch the backup doc as soon as the real doc dies, if that happens. At least than we'll have a clue who the killers are.

Unvote

How are you so sure that we have a backup doc? And I figure mafia probably has a roleblocker specifically to prevent follow the cop. Not to mention that double the night kills means we would probably have fewer nights to play follow the cop before it's LYLO anyways.

Official Vote Count:

Zimmah: Sheepofdumb (L-6)
Rishaed: Safariguy, nebuchadnezer, Jonty (L-4)
Nebuchadnezer: Rishaed (L-6)
Sheepofdumb- Iron Butterfly, Doomyoshi, Zimmah, TFO (L-3)


With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is June 7th at around 5:00 PM Server time. Deadline extensions may be requested.

As a side note, I use detective and cop interchangeably. With this said, I will not confirm that either role is in the game, and will leave that to your discretion.

Thanks Mod! Can everyone please get off our detective/cop now? The fact that you all think his claim is fake, but somehow totally trust the backup doc claim is beyond me. At least detective can be verified by night actions. Backup doc will never be proven.

Fastposted

Bingo Neb. Backup doc is basically unverifiable. Smacks more of a fake to me than detective/cop. And sheep hasn't made as many missteps as rishaed.

Just going with what has been claimed, assuming everyone is who he sais he is.

You do have a point about roleblockers, but it's worth trying. We may get lucky and we may also have a roleblocker of our own.

Maybe mafia doesn't have a roleblocker but I really doubt that, considering the otherwise extremely overpowered combo of doc, cop and backup doc and who knows what else.

About sheep vs rish, it's more of a gut feeling I guess, however sheep is pretty much cleared. I still don't think rish is scum, can't be sure though but I just don't think he is.

[jonty125]

Detective/Cop, I say tomato you say tomato its all the same. Sheep is cop, and I can't see an issue with him investigating Doom last night.

I can't for the life of me understand, how some players doubt the cop claim but not the back-up doc claim but hey-ho. My vote stays on rishaed, for all the mistakes he made, AND I'm still not 100% convinced of his claim. However, I do agree that thechuck has been quiet today; and SILENCE IS SCUMMY but not as scummy/poor as rishaed play has been.

[DoomYoshi]

unvote

[new guy1]

Official Vote Count:

Zimmah: Sheepofdumb (L-6)
Rishaed: Safariguy, nebuchadnezer, Jonty (L-4)
Nebuchadnezer: Rishaed (L-6)



With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is June 7th at around 5:00 PM Server time. Deadline extensions may be requested.

Rishaed, you did not unvote whilst voting chuck.

[rishaed]

Sorry I'll fix that I usually do. unvote vote thechuck

[DoomYoshi]

Official Vote Count:

Zimmah: Sheepofdumb (L-6)
Rishaed: Safariguy, nebuchadnezer, Jonty (L-4)
Nebuchadnezer: Rishaed (L-6)
Sheepofdumb- Iron Butterfly, Doomyoshi, Zimmah, TFO (L-3)


With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is June 7th at around 5:00 PM Server time. Deadline extensions may be requested.

As a side note, I use detective and cop interchangeably. With this said, I will not confirm that either role is in the game, and will leave that to your discretion.

Thanks Mod! Can everyone please get off our detective/cop now? The fact that you all think his claim is fake, but somehow totally trust the backup doc claim is beyond me. At least detective can be verified by night actions. Backup doc will never be proven.

Fastposted

Explain how detective/cop can be verified.

[rishaed]

Official Vote Count:

Zimmah: Sheepofdumb (L-6)
Rishaed: Safariguy, nebuchadnezer, Jonty (L-4)
Nebuchadnezer: Rishaed (L-6)
Sheepofdumb- Iron Butterfly, Doomyoshi, Zimmah, TFO (L-3)


With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is June 7th at around 5:00 PM Server time. Deadline extensions may be requested.

As a side note, I use detective and cop interchangeably. With this said, I will not confirm that either role is in the game, and will leave that to your discretion.

Thanks Mod! Can everyone please get off our detective/cop now? The fact that you all think his claim is fake, but somehow totally trust the backup doc claim is beyond me. At least detective can be verified by night actions. Backup doc will never be proven.

Fastposted

Explain how detective/cop can be verified.

The ONLY completely verifiable way is if he Cop's our third party SK before he gets NK'd/Lynched. Otherwise Scum can easily fake claim copping alignments considering that they already know alignments.

[Nebuchadnezer]

Official Vote Count:

Zimmah: Sheepofdumb (L-6)
Rishaed: Safariguy, nebuchadnezer, Jonty (L-4)
Nebuchadnezer: Rishaed (L-6)
Sheepofdumb- Iron Butterfly, Doomyoshi, Zimmah, TFO (L-3)


With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is June 7th at around 5:00 PM Server time. Deadline extensions may be requested.

As a side note, I use detective and cop interchangeably. With this said, I will not confirm that either role is in the game, and will leave that to your discretion.

Thanks Mod! Can everyone please get off our detective/cop now? The fact that you all think his claim is fake, but somehow totally trust the backup doc claim is beyond me. At least detective can be verified by night actions. Backup doc will never be proven.

Fastposted

Explain how detective/cop can be verified.

Tracker can track the cop to see who he visits.
Watcher can watch a target and see if cop visited who he said he visited.
A person the cop claimed to visit can be NKd, therefore confirming his investigation.
He can be killed, therefore verifying his claim.

Need more?

Now, since our tracker is dead, we do lose out on some of our options, and option #4 is really not a good option...although quite a few of you were pushing his lynch after his claim, until he got mod-saved.

But those options we do have are far more than we have for confirming a "backup doc."

Now...since EVERYONE has unvoted, we can assume there will be no counter-claim. The question is, do any of you think that mafia were one of those voting Sheep, and staying on him before he was saved? That would mean that Iron, Doom, Zimmah, or TFO might be mafia? Thoughts?

[safariguy5]

Official Vote Count:

Zimmah: Sheepofdumb (L-6)
Rishaed: Safariguy, nebuchadnezer, Jonty (L-4)
Nebuchadnezer: Rishaed (L-6)
Sheepofdumb- Iron Butterfly, Doomyoshi, Zimmah, TFO (L-3)


With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is June 7th at around 5:00 PM Server time. Deadline extensions may be requested.

As a side note, I use detective and cop interchangeably. With this said, I will not confirm that either role is in the game, and will leave that to your discretion.

Thanks Mod! Can everyone please get off our detective/cop now? The fact that you all think his claim is fake, but somehow totally trust the backup doc claim is beyond me. At least detective can be verified by night actions. Backup doc will never be proven.

Fastposted

Explain how detective/cop can be verified.

Tracker can track the cop to see who he visits.
Watcher can watch a target and see if cop visited who he said he visited.
A person the cop claimed to visit can be NKd, therefore confirming his investigation.
He can be killed, therefore verifying his claim.

Need more?

Now, since our tracker is dead, we do lose out on some of our options, and option #4 is really not a good option...although quite a few of you were pushing his lynch after his claim, until he got mod-saved.

But those options we do have are far more than we have for confirming a "backup doc."

Now...since EVERYONE has unvoted, we can assume there will be no counter-claim. The question is, do any of you think that mafia were one of those voting Sheep, and staying on him before he was saved? That would mean that Iron, Doom, Zimmah, or TFO might be mafia? Thoughts?

Also, if it's a faked cop claim, you have to continue to make up investigations. If one of the people turn up something different that what you claim they are, then you're probably faking. And with an SKer, it would be very risky for a mafia to fake an innocent claim on a scumbuddy because that's just asking for a kill by the SKer.

[rishaed]

Official Vote Count:

Zimmah: Sheepofdumb (L-6)
Rishaed: Safariguy, nebuchadnezer, Jonty (L-4)
Nebuchadnezer: Rishaed (L-6)
Sheepofdumb- Iron Butterfly, Doomyoshi, Zimmah, TFO (L-3)


With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is June 7th at around 5:00 PM Server time. Deadline extensions may be requested.

As a side note, I use detective and cop interchangeably. With this said, I will not confirm that either role is in the game, and will leave that to your discretion.

Thanks Mod! Can everyone please get off our detective/cop now? The fact that you all think his claim is fake, but somehow totally trust the backup doc claim is beyond me. At least detective can be verified by night actions. Backup doc will never be proven.

Fastposted

Explain how detective/cop can be verified.

Tracker can track the cop to see who he visits.
Watcher can watch a target and see if cop visited who he said he visited.
A person the cop claimed to visit can be NKd, therefore confirming his investigation.
He can be killed, therefore verifying his claim.

Need more?

Now, since our tracker is dead, we do lose out on some of our options, and option #4 is really not a good option...although quite a few of you were pushing his lynch after his claim, until he got mod-saved.

But those options we do have are far more than we have for confirming a "backup doc."

Now...since EVERYONE has unvoted, we can assume there will be no counter-claim. The question is, do any of you think that mafia were one of those voting Sheep, and staying on him before he was saved? That would mean that Iron, Doom, Zimmah, or TFO might be mafia? Thoughts?

Also, if it's a faked cop claim, you have to continue to make up investigations. If one of the people turn up something different that what you claim they are, then you're probably faking. And with an SKer, it would be very risky for a mafia to fake an innocent claim on a scumbuddy because that's just asking for a kill by the SKer.

At the beginning of the game I agree with this part. However I would think that the SK would need to kill some if not all mafia before town somewhere in the mid to endgame, thus making faking an inno on a scum buddy less risky. However if said inno gets Lynched/Killed and turns up mafia then we lynch the cop liar.

[thechuck51]

I wouldn't say never. However I don't really care right now, I don't think Scum is tag-teaming to try and get me lynched with the back-and-forth between Saf and Neb. But I have no hard evidence on anyone right now, and unless a poster shows a hard time of getting some, and the only things I can use are WIFOM arguments which will, unless I can find a decent case, get me lynched. But so will voting lets say the inactive as a last resort, of which we currently don't have one. But if I were to use anything to vote/bring a case on anyone it might be lack of quality posting? Of which Chuck comes to mind, however so does gregwolf (with an ok pass?). I want to move this day forward. vote thechuck

I'm a quality over quantity type guy. You on the other hand appear to be the opposite and have been feeding us bullshit from the start. Day 1 you talked about a PGO and a GF without any evidence yet you presented it as fact. Today you "knew" aage targeted you. I think you put the PGO out there to make town nervous about visiting you, the GF will allow you to justify lynching a "town" result. Once you had to claim you threw aage visiting you out there to try to "clear" yourself. But now you are backing off of that.

The ONLY completely verifiable way is if he Cop's our third party SK before he gets NK'd/Lynched. Otherwise Scum can easily fake claim copping alignments considering that they already know alignments.

I find it funny that you are talking about how easy it would be for the cop claim to be fake when your claim is impossible to verify. You are the scummiest person here. vote rishaed

[rishaed]

I wouldn't say never. However I don't really care right now, I don't think Scum is tag-teaming to try and get me lynched with the back-and-forth between Saf and Neb. But I have no hard evidence on anyone right now, and unless a poster shows a hard time of getting some, and the only things I can use are WIFOM arguments which will, unless I can find a decent case, get me lynched. But so will voting lets say the inactive as a last resort, of which we currently don't have one. But if I were to use anything to vote/bring a case on anyone it might be lack of quality posting? Of which Chuck comes to mind, however so does gregwolf (with an ok pass?). I want to move this day forward. vote thechuck

I'm a quality over quantity type guy. You on the other hand appear to be the opposite and have been feeding us bullshit from the start. Day 1 you talked about a PGO and a GF without any evidence yet you presented it as fact. Today you "knew" aage targeted you. I think you put the PGO out there to make town nervous about visiting you, the GF will allow you to justify lynching a "town" result. Once you had to claim you threw aage visiting you out there to try to "clear" yourself. But now you are backing off of that.

The ONLY completely verifiable way is if he Cop's our third party SK before he gets NK'd/Lynched. Otherwise Scum can easily fake claim copping alignments considering that they already know alignments.

I find it funny that you are talking about how easy it would be for the cop claim to be fake when your claim is impossible to verify. You are the scummiest person here. vote rishaed

If you notice I said outright it was my opinion and I wanted others comments on it. It provided a base from which we could start serious conversation, which it then did. And Since when have I supported lynching a town result from a cop this entire game? I did not vote sheep, and unless he gets counterclaimed am more than willing to believe he is our cop. Notice that my comment above was in response to Doom's question, take my replies in context. As I am sure you can and will notice in my last post I said only to lynch the Cop if it is found out he is lying about his results. Any claim can be well faked depending on how good the player behind it is. You are quite correct that currently my claim is impossible to verify by itself. That does not mean anything.
Sheep would you be willing to cop me tonight if I don't get lynched?
However on current claims I do admit I am the likely and most probable lynch candidate. I will tell you that just because I am the easiest target right now that I am the correct target.

[safariguy5]

So to prove your innocence you suggest sheep targets you? If mafia has a framer, they could easily frame you, leading to a mislynch and/or lynching the cop. I see little benefit to steering the cop at this point unless both of you are lying. In which case technically town wins either way.

[rishaed]

So to prove your innocence you suggest sheep targets you? If mafia has a framer, they could easily frame you, leading to a mislynch and/or lynching the cop. I see little benefit to steering the cop at this point unless both of you are lying. In which case technically town wins either way.

I am just trying to find ways to clear up the confusion around me. Why are you so bent on making sure that I look scummy? I've been doing that unfortunately myself recently. Nice points about the framer though.

[TheForgivenOne]

Official Vote Count:

Zimmah: Sheepofdumb (L-6)
Rishaed: Safariguy, nebuchadnezer, Jonty (L-4)
Nebuchadnezer: Rishaed (L-6)
Sheepofdumb- Iron Butterfly, Doomyoshi, Zimmah, TFO (L-3)


With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is June 7th at around 5:00 PM Server time. Deadline extensions may be requested.

As a side note, I use detective and cop interchangeably. With this said, I will not confirm that either role is in the game, and will leave that to your discretion.

Thanks Mod! Can everyone please get off our detective/cop now? The fact that you all think his claim is fake, but somehow totally trust the backup doc claim is beyond me. At least detective can be verified by night actions. Backup doc will never be proven.

Fastposted

Explain how detective/cop can be verified.

Tracker can track the cop to see who he visits.
Watcher can watch a target and see if cop visited who he said he visited.
A person the cop claimed to visit can be NKd, therefore confirming his investigation.
He can be killed, therefore verifying his claim.

Need more?

Now, since our tracker is dead, we do lose out on some of our options, and option #4 is really not a good option...although quite a few of you were pushing his lynch after his claim, until he got mod-saved.

But those options we do have are far more than we have for confirming a "backup doc."

Now...since EVERYONE has unvoted, we can assume there will be no counter-claim. The question is, do any of you think that mafia were one of those voting Sheep, and staying on him before he was saved? That would mean that Iron, Doom, Zimmah, or TFO might be mafia? Thoughts?

Not impossible (Even though I am on the list, but I didn't exactly stay on him, I just didn't have time to unvote until I did).

So to prove your innocence you suggest sheep targets you? If mafia has a framer, they could easily frame you, leading to a mislynch and/or lynching the cop. I see little benefit to steering the cop at this point unless both of you are lying. In which case technically town wins either way.

I am just trying to find ways to clear up the confusion around me. Why are you so bent on making sure that I look scummy? I've been doing that unfortunately myself recently. Nice points about the framer though.

I don't think he's trying to make you seem scummy, he was clearly showing you a problem that could occur in case you didn't think it through, which seems to be the case, based on your last sentence. I'm really not sure what to believe with you, as I get scummy feelings about you from some posts, then town feelings from others.

[thechuck51]

If you notice I said outright it was my opinion and I wanted others comments on it. It provided a base from which we could start serious conversation, which it then did. And Since when have I supported lynching a town result from a cop this entire game? I did not vote sheep, and unless he gets counterclaimed am more than willing to believe he is our cop. Notice that my comment above was in response to Doom's question, take my replies in context. As I am sure you can and will notice in my last post I said only to lynch the Cop if it is found out he is lying about his results. Any claim can be well faked depending on how good the player behind it is. You are quite correct that currently my claim is impossible to verify by itself. That does not mean anything.
Sheep would you be willing to cop me tonight if I don't get lynched?
However on current claims I do admit I am the likely and most probable lynch candidate. I will tell you that just because I am the easiest target right now that I am the correct target.

no, what you said was:

So a few things to keep conversation going. I'm sure that we have an SK/PGO and a GF in this game from start up scene. That being said they are awful shots. They hit the only two Vt's in the game. more to come in observations later tonight

Vote DoomYoshi for not reading the Opening Scene on D1. Its like our only source of completely trustworthy information that we have. Why wouldn't we want to read it as town? Mafia=OP scenes are not important, can skip. Town= OP scene is very important, we now know we have a SK&GF and not just a plain Mafia Faction.

Screw you guys.

That being said I know who you tracked from the scene last night.

each time you presented your "opinion" as fact.

[sheepofdumb]

So to prove your innocence you suggest sheep targets you? If mafia has a framer, they could easily frame you, leading to a mislynch and/or lynching the cop. I see little benefit to steering the cop at this point unless both of you are lying. In which case technically town wins either way.

Not to mention that a GF typically shows up as town to cops.