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Postby chewyman on Thu May 10, 2007 8:13 pm

ust because its easy to get hold of drugs is not a reason to make them legal. Drugs are bad for society as they are addictive, expensive, mainly controlled by gangs and people will bad intentions, have serious health effects, can give you mental damage, its fcks up your body etc etc....

Actually, if you've studied law at all you should remember that one of the fundamental tenets of the law is that a good law is capable of being enforced. Everything is addictive, the internet is addictive for example and we are already seeing internet anonymous hotels appearing, do you plan on baning the internet as well? Drugs are expensive because of the risks involved in their trade, in fact, if they were sold by private companies in competition with each other the price would most likely fall. That said, if you're so worried about drugs shouldn't their high price be a good thing? Drugs at the moment are indeed controlled by gangs. This is because they are treated as illegal. If illicit drugs were legalised then private companies could step in and gangs would have no choice but to either go legitimate or be phased out. One of the statements I made in my original post was that governments should make sure that the people are accurately informed about the products they are buying. It is the companies responsibility to keep customers informed and the government's to make sure that is happening. If you've seen any of those fast foods movies then you'll no doubt realise just how bad McDonalds is for you, but do you intend to ban it? People have the right to choose things that may be bad for them, provided they have accurate understanding of the products beforehand.

As for prostitution, heres one reason http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostituti ... rostitutes

Also, prostitutes are more likely to get STD's.

You're still stuck in the mindset of prostitution being illegal. I don't have any statistics but I think it's a fairly obvious guess that prostitutes are less likely to be killed in legal brothels than on the streets. The use of condoms would become necessary if private enterprises were to own brothels, because otherwise they would face the risk of a law suit. While it's true that condoms do fail it's also true that homosexuals are more likely than heterosexuals to contract HIV/AIDS, however you don't seem to want to make homosexuality illegal? Neither do I, I'm just puzzled about how the contraction of STI's should mean government banning prostitution.

If you cannot see any bad points with privatising education, then you really should not be talking about politics. Forget mind reading, its common sense.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_car ... e_Industry
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/778385.stm

If you really can't write a single reason why education should be privatised then you shouldn't be talking politics either. Then again, if you're not actually posting a reason I suppose it could be argued that you aren't talking at all. :?

Did you not expect me to click on those links or something? The first one simply said how much is spent on the average person in the US each year in health. The second was a list of the average life of people in a list of countries. Apart from the fact that Australia ranks second (go us!!) I don't quite see your point. If you are suggesting that the fact the US is lower than Australia is proof that private health is a bad thing than you are seriously mistaken. Australia also has private health (with a safety net, much like I suggested in my original post). The US figures are low because of the immense slum populations, largely, but obviously not entirely, of immigrants, legal or otherwise.

Yes, i was saying that people strike against governemtns and businesses. In your original post, you said that making the public sector smaller and private sector larger will reduce or get rid of strikes.

Would you please quote where I said that? I'm pretty sure that if you read back you'll notice that what I actually said was that governments should not have any say on when workers strike.

The fact that he is an old, unskilled worker? There is no need for him in any business, and no one will hire him.

These sort of statements really irritate me. Again, the work may not be wonderfully high profile, but you don't even need a resume to get work at your local Dixons/Target/Walmart etc. Jobs are available, you just need to look harder.

No, the point I was making was what exactly is a natural family? Every family is different and ahs parts which are not "natural" and may be looked down upon, but in the end its up to the parents, not the state, as to how the child is brought up.

A natural family is a man, a woman and X number of children. Some families may be missing one of the parents but that is still acceptable provided the other parent existed at one time or another. Natural families have nothing to do with alcohol addiction, however bad it may be.
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Postby Titanic on Fri May 11, 2007 9:46 am

Everything is addictive, the internet is addictive for example and we are already seeing internet anonymous hotels appearing, do you plan on baning the internet as well?


"Internet addicts" can go on holiday or somewhere and not go on the interent and not become cold turkey or have major side effects. They will be fine.

Drug addicts could nt go away for a number of weeks without drugs. They need to them feel good, otherwise they go cold turkey. Big difference between the two.
Drugs are expensive because of the risks involved in their trade, in fact, if they were sold by private companies in competition with each other the price would most likely fall. That said, if you're so worried about drugs shouldn't their high price be a good thing?


High drug prices are bad because vunerable people have to pay a lot of money for these illegal things. Normally it means resorting to crime. The UK Home Office estimates something around 60% of burglaries and crimes are commited because of drugs. Legalise it, and more people will want drugs and use them and become addicted, meaning that they have to get the moeny from somewhere.
You're still stuck in the mindset of prostitution being illegal.


As I posted earlier, but you convieniantly missed:

And for the legality laws -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution#Legal_issues

While it's true that condoms do fail it's also true that homosexuals are more likely than heterosexuals to contract HIV/AIDS, however you don't seem to want to make homosexuality illegal? Neither do I, I'm just puzzled about how the contraction of STI's should mean government banning prostitution.


I never said STD's were the reason to ban prostetution.

Also, your comment on gays is just not valid, because I am not saying that prostetution should be banned because of that, I was merely pointing out a fact of prostetution.

Did you not expect me to click on those links or something? The first one simply said how much is spent on the average person in the US each year in health. The second was a list of the average life of people in a list of countries. Apart from the fact that Australia ranks second (go us!!) I don't quite see your point. If you are suggesting that the fact the US is lower than Australia is proof that private health is a bad thing than you are seriously mistaken. Australia also has private health (with a safety net, much like I suggested in my original post). The US figures are low because of the immense slum populations, largely, but obviously not entirely, of immigrants, legal or otherwise.


As you are not able to figure out the most simple things, I will explain it to you. The first ink showed that the USA spends more per capita on healthcare then pretty much any other country in the world. However, because their healthcare is private, it means that their citizens, even though they pay the most in the world, are not recieving anywhere near the best healthcare in the world. They are 24th in the world, which is really low. This is the arguament against private healthcare, as the countries which have public healthcare have healthier citizens. Also, you think no other country has poor population who lie in the street and cant find a home? Or get illegal immigrants in the country? The USA only has more because it is bigger, but proportion wise it is not that great an amount.

Would you please quote where I said that? I'm pretty sure that if you read back you'll notice that what I actually said was that governments should not have any say on when workers strike.


And since when has the Government ever told cival servants when to strike?

These sort of statements really irritate me. Again, the work may not be wonderfully high profile, but you don't even need a resume to get work at your local Dixons/Target/Walmart etc. Jobs are available, you just need to look harder.


This man is a 50 year old unskilled worker who has been working in coal mines his whole life. He is not develoiped in his communication skills with customers, he cannot use a till, he probably has dirty skin because of the time spent in proximanty with coal. The UK Governemnt apys out laods to ex-coal miners nowadays, simply because as the mines close the workers find it very hard to get jobs, harder then in other professions. Its a fact.

A natural family is a man, a woman and X number of children. Some families may be missing one of the parents but that is still acceptable provided the other parent existed at one time or another. Natural families have nothing to do with alcohol addiction, however bad it may be.


Exactly my point. Loads of families are not like this. Thousands of them at least will not meet this "criteria". You do not seem to be making father running away before the babies are born illegal, but you make gay couples adopting illegal. Why is that?
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Postby chewyman on Sat May 12, 2007 12:52 am

"Internet addicts" can go on holiday or somewhere and not go on the interent and not become cold turkey or have major side effects. They will be fine.

Drug addicts could nt go away for a number of weeks without drugs. They need to them feel good, otherwise they go cold turkey. Big difference between the two.

You seem to be confusing internet addiction and a general like for the internet. Internet addiction is becoming a serious problem, people, especially in Asia, are literally dying in front of the computer. Withdrawal symptoms are just as real in both cases. Sitting in front of a computer releases highly addictive natural hormones, as does listening to music and having intercourse.

High drug prices are bad because vunerable people have to pay a lot of money for these illegal things. Normally it means resorting to crime. The UK Home Office estimates something around 60% of burglaries and crimes are commited because of drugs. Legalise it, and more people will want drugs and use them and become addicted, meaning that they have to get the moeny from somewhere.

Well then legalise them and watch the prices drop. As I've already stated, illicit drug prices are artificially high due to the risks involved in the trade. If private companies could legally sell drugs then prices would fall and quality would improve (no more people dying from rat poisoning in their heroin for example).

As I posted earlier, but you convieniantly missed:

And for the legality laws -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution#Legal_issues

Guess I must have conveniently missed it again :roll:
As for the link, I've already read it. You can't just provide links, you need to actually explain how they are relevant. That link describes the different prostitution laws in different countries and states, so what?

I never said STD's were the reason to ban prostetution.

Also, your comment on gays is just not valid, because I am not saying that prostetution should be banned because of that, I was merely pointing out a fact of prostetution.

Then I'll point out a fact of sexual intercourse: STI's.
Or a fact of kissing: STI's
Or a fact of oral sex: STI's
Or a fact of blood transfusions: STI's
Or a fact of sharing injection/tattoo needles: STI's
Or a fact of childbirth: STI's
Their are plenty of activities out there that risk people contracting an STI. There are even more activities that pose a greater risk to people's general well being. If you aren't actually making a point then there's no reason to make the statement.

As you are not able to figure out the most simple things, I will explain it to you. The first ink showed that the USA spends more per capita on healthcare then pretty much any other country in the world. However, because their healthcare is private, it means that their citizens, even though they pay the most in the world, are not recieving anywhere near the best healthcare in the world. They are 24th in the world, which is really low. This is the arguament against private healthcare, as the countries which have public healthcare have healthier citizens. Also, you think no other country has poor population who lie in the street and cant find a home? Or get illegal immigrants in the country? The USA only has more because it is bigger, but proportion wise it is not that great an amount.

Japan has private health care. Australia has private health care. I can't remember who came third off the top of my head, but the fact that the two leading nations have private health care should be telling you something. Believe it or not, the world isn't actually limited to the USA.

And since when has the Government ever told cival servants when to strike?

Why on earth would an employer tell its employees to strike??? Are you reading what you're written before posting?? Unions organise strikes against employers. Unions themselves are businesses and therefore should be treated as such by the government, that means less control, not more. Please think before typing.

This man is a 50 year old unskilled worker who has been working in coal mines his whole life. He is not develoiped in his communication skills with customers, he cannot use a till, he probably has dirty skin because of the time spent in proximanty with coal. The UK Governemnt apys out laods to ex-coal miners nowadays, simply because as the mines close the workers find it very hard to get jobs, harder then in other professions. Its a fact.

My first job was in retail, you don't need good communication skills and you definitely don't need to know how to operate a register. The fact that the miner needs a long shower before coming to work isn't a reason that he can't work retail. Cheap retail accepts anybody that isn't mentally retarded of physically inept, and sometimes even then.

Exactly my point. Loads of families are not like this. Thousands of them at least will not meet this "criteria". You do not seem to be making father running away before the babies are born illegal, but you make gay couples adopting illegal. Why is that?

Because homosexuality is wrong. I have nothing against people that choose to have homosexual relationships, that's their choice. I've done plenty of bad things, none of us are perfect. It all goes back to my statement in my original post, that people should have the right to do whatever they want provided they don't infringe on other's rights.
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Postby Jenos Ridan on Sat May 12, 2007 2:40 am

(sigh) I thought I'd made a point about this a while back, you can't fix everything wrong in the world. There is just too damn much wrong and more can go wrong while your fixing something else. Still, it is good to have some well-thought out hopes. Without dreams, why bother?
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Postby chewyman on Sat May 12, 2007 6:08 am

Oh, of course. Don't get me wrong, I don't expect what I posted to actually happen. That was just how I personally believe the world should be and the closer we get to that the better.
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Postby Skittles! on Sat May 12, 2007 6:46 am

There shouldn't be a world.
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Postby unriggable on Sat May 12, 2007 7:41 am

Skittles! wrote:There shouldn't be a world.


There should only be asteroids
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Postby Skittles! on Sat May 12, 2007 7:43 am

unriggable wrote:
Skittles! wrote:There shouldn't be a world.


There should only be asteroids

Exactly!
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Postby chewyman on Sat May 12, 2007 9:53 am

Hmm, I dunno. I'm pretty happy with living right now. Maybe later...
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Postby Fircoal on Sat May 12, 2007 10:16 am

you all know it by now. :D
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Postby Jenos Ridan on Sun May 13, 2007 4:42 am

chewyman wrote:Oh, of course. Don't get me wrong, I don't expect what I posted to actually happen. That was just how I personally believe the world should be and the closer we get to that the better.


Laying aside any moral or ethical concerns, it is STILL a massively staggering task, one might even have to establish a Thought Police Force and institute Nerve Stapling. A few Neural Neutralizers wouldn't hurt either :roll: . But still, daunting quest.
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Postby chewyman on Sun May 13, 2007 5:16 am

I don't see why that would be necessary? My ideas basically stem from the principles of personal freedoms. Most countries are slowly moving further along the path towards open markets. Please explain.
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Postby Jenos Ridan on Sun May 13, 2007 5:33 am

Can you ever get two people to agree on ANYTHING? No. There will always be that core group of collectivists out to rape the market, that fundie cell out to kill science, that rabid atheist committee to destroy religion and spirituallity with it. and so on and so on......
But your 'plan' shows some promise, abeit at the risk of severe moral and ethical ramifacations. Maybe you might not need wide-scale thought-control, but it would be awfully handy :twisted: .
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