Rap sucks. period.

[Anarchist]

Actually mainstream music sucks for the most part

watched Fuse for two hours and only heard one good song(besides Linkin Park) "Lips like morphine" -Kill Hannah
rest was ok.

I think it comes down to the artist, and whether he has skill, and substance.

[alex_white101]

i dont like rap.

[cosmin]

Ugh, I hate rap. There is no talent involved, and there really isnt any creativity in todays hip hop/rap. ex. lyrics from "this is why Im hot"(which sux) "Im hot cuz Im fly, you aint cuz you not". In my opinion, rock is exponentially better. comments?

old school rap/hip-hop is awesome, the new rap is very plain and quite boring, but in anycase rock isn't better

i hate rock! especcialy that metal crap.

[Dancing Mustard]

Shut your fool mouth up when talking bout metal,
I'll eat you up just like Hansel and Grettel,
I really like it and think it's just grand,
You're thinking of Slipknot and not a good band,
I'm going to drive to your house and shoot you with a gun,
I do it all the time I'm a gangsta it's fun,
I'd use the word 'nigga' here but I can't cos I'm white,
But apparently if you're black then that word's alright,
Pimping in the hood with an expensive car,
I hang with Rasputin and the Russian Tzar,
They like me because I know lots of big booty bitches,
And because I have a fly taste in britches,
Your family will bury you in a little wooden casket,
Because I got well mad when carrying a musket,
Let's smoke bit blunts and get really high,
Steal sweets from children and make them cry,
We'll get some steroids so we look like 50-Cent,
Rent a big mansion then not pay the rent,
My album is wicked it went quad platinum,
My ho's love me even when I'm slapping 'em,
I'm a blood so I'm off to kill a crip,
I'll drown him in a bowl of dorito's dip,
I'm done with dope rhymes and I've served you good,
Rap is teh awesome and it's not crud!

Yeah, word up!

[Skittles!]

Shut your fool mouth up when talking bout metal,
I'll eat you up just like Hansel and Grettel,
I really like it and think it's just grand,
You're thinking of Slipknot and not a good band,
I'm going to drive to your house and shoot you with a gun,
I do it all the time I'm a gangsta it's fun,
I'd use the word 'nigga' here but I can't cos I'm white,
But apparently if you're black then that word's alright,
Pimping in the hood with an expensive car,
I hang with Rasputin and the Russian Tzar,
They like me because I know lots of big booty bitches,
And because I have a fly taste in britches,
Your family will bury you in a little wooden casket,
Because I got well mad when carrying a musket,
Let's smoke bit blunts and get really high,
Steal sweets from children and make them cry,
We'll get some steroids so we look like 50-Cent,
Rent a big mansion then not pay the rent,
My album is wicked it went quad platinum,
My ho's love me even when I'm slapping 'em,
I'm a blood so I'm off to kill a crip,
I'll drown him in a bowl of dorito's dip,
I'm done with dope rhymes and I've served you good,
Rap is teh awesome and it's not crud!

Yeah, word up!

A rapper cannot be that smart to make a 'song' like that.

DM, I thought better of you.

[The1exile]

Nevertheless am I dressed for the occasion
It's number 32 now here's the situation
If the beat moves your feet then don't change the station
Pack your bags cause we're leaving on a permanent vacation
Well, I'm a disaster
A microphone master
Put on your tape and rock your ghetto blaster
It's not about the money, cars, hotels, or resorts
About sweating all the bitches in the biker shorts
I'm Dave Brown Sound and you see me running late
Cause I'm always making time to make your girlie feel great
And I'm Bizzy D from way down town
I'm known to rock a mic like a king was a crown
When I'm on top I'm gonna borrow that bootie
Hustling deals like Mickey Macoote
When I wake up I like a pound of bacon
Start off the day with my arteries shaking

[Guilty_Biscuit]

Dylan Moran on the subject of rap -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RK0t-U_yOCY&mode=related&search=

[Backglass]

It's like a jungle sometimes it makes me wonder how I keep from going under.

[Guiscard]

Many tracks provide brilliant social commentary, are intensely political or provoke a stark atmosphere through brilliant lyrical imagery. If you want examples I can provide them.

Care to name a few?
Honestly, i've never heard a rap song thats not about partying, sex, drugs, violence, or about how much money they have while at the same time they're ghetto. I don't really care too much for that subject matter, nor is rap in general appealing to me.
Maybe thats because I don't really care for it and haven't heard more than whats forced upon me during daily life--Radio, loud people rapping to themselves near me when i'm standing outside, parties, etc.
Now I wont deny the talent, as freestyle requires you to be intelligent and quick if its good at all.. I can honestly say I respect that.. I sure as hell couldn't do that if my life depended on it.

In the end i'd take rock or metal, anything like that, over rap.. But to say that all rap in general is shit is kinda close-minded.

Sure.

Politics:

They say the rebels in Iraq still fight for Saddam
But that's bullshit, I'll show you why it's totally wrong
Cuz if another country invaded the hood tonight
It'd be warfare through Harlem, and Washington Heights
I wouldn't be fightin' for Bush or White America's dream
I'd be fightin' for my people's survival and self-esteem
I wouldn't fight for racist churches from the south, my nigga
I'd be fightin' to keep the occupation out, my nigga
You ever clock someone who talk shit, or look at you wrong?
Imagine if they shot at you, and was rapin' your moms
And of course Saddam Hussein had chemical weapons
We sold him that shit, after Ronald Reagan's election
Mercenary contractors fightin' a new era
Corporate military bankin' off the war on terror
They controllin' the ghetto, with the failed attack
Tryna distract the fact that they engineerin' the crack
So I'm strapped like Lee Malvo holdin' a sniper rifle
These bullets'll touch your kids, and I don't mean like Michael
Your body be sent to the morgue, stripped down and recycled
I fire on house niggaz that support you and like you
Cuz innocent people get murdered in the struggle daily
And poor people never get shit and struggle daily
This ain't no alien conspiracy theory, this shit is real
Written on the dollar underneath the Masonic seal

Social Commentary:

Yo, it's one universal law but two sides to every story
Three strikes and you be in for life, manditory
Four MC's murdered in the last four years
I ain't tryin to be the fifth one, the millenium is here
Yo it's 6 Million Ways to Die, from the seven deadly thrills
Eight-year olds gettin found with 9 mill's
It's 10 P.M., where your seeds at? What's the deal
He on the hill puffin krill to keep they belly filled
Light in the ass with heavy steel, sights on the pretty shit in life
Young soldiers tryin to earn they next stripe
When the average minimum wage is $5.15
You best believe you gotta find a new ground to get cream
The white unemployment rate, is nearly more than triple for black
so frontliners got they gun in your back
Bubblin crack, jewel theft and robbery to combat poverty
and end up in the global jail economy
Stiffer stipulations attached to each sentence
Budget cutbacks but increased police presence
And even if you get out of prison still livin
join the other five million under state supervision
This is business, no faces just lines and statistics
from your phone, your zip code, to S-S-I digits
The system break man child and women into figures
Two columns for who is, and who ain't niggaz
Numbers is hardly real and they never have feelings
but you push too hard, even numbers got limits
Why did one straw break the camel's back? Here's the secret:
the million other straws underneath it - it's all mathematics

Lyrical imagery:

Calculate the maths, navigate the maps
travel through the minds eye, meditate relax
find time and create the space to make tracks
celebrate the fact, that we escaped the traps layed to catch
the subconscious mind decieve mankind and leave the third eye blind
but my insight can not be impaired, I’m visually aware
although initially unprepared for the actuality
stifled by the practicalities of creatively, I seek freedom
I visualise the scene, I can see the grand scheme through these eyes
and dreams
my stream of consciousness is liquid tranquility
a turquoise pool of limitless calligraphy
my brain engaged in sub-aquatic activity
the endangered species released from captivity to reclaim the rainforest
and roam the outback, in the clouds we compose a soundtrack
I focus on beats and day dream about that
the fat cat scheme but we avoid the mouse trap
its abstract as a androids aspirations
seen through computer generated animations
a rainbow of pixels, invisible to the fickle
your will too weak, ya bones brittle
my flows a lone trickle of liquid on the sickle of a druid
the essence of this - the life fluid
life, I pursue it with a passion
lights camera action, another cinematic adaption

when I rise and open my eyes, its like the universe beginning
I wake at day-break, the skies are blue, the birds are singing
and even though the earths spinning
everything in view, is motionless for a minute as the true
colors of mother nature are captured in a freeze frame
it seems strange, I sit back and watch the scene change
I seek green plains and picture myself there
the city restricts me I consider my welfare
staring at a grey wall, and even when things get heated I stay cool
the astroid vapours break my fall, I take it all in my stride
use my time wisely and move with the tide
utilise the wisdom of my guide
unify light and dark to balance out either side
we provide stability, attention and care
my sidekick, the drum that comes before the snare
the psychic, i had a premonition of creation
I blocked out the noise and watched cloud formations from the park
layed out on the grass, as the darkness desends I discard chart ends
and head for shelter
everyday I’m dealt a new hand, and my crew plans to expand
see our names on your news stand in two grand, you cant distract me,
I see red when I’m angry, and red when I’m happy

[Psilocbin]

Ugh, I hate rap. There is no talent involved, and there really isnt any creativity in todays hip hop/rap. ex. lyrics from "this is why Im hot"(which sux) "Im hot cuz Im fly, you aint cuz you not". In my opinion, rock is exponentially better. comments?

I agree, I love Bone Thugs-n-Harmony, 2Pac, Eazy-E, N.W.A, Dr. Dre and all the 1996> Hip Hop. I think the whole mainstream rap now sucks.

[Psilocbin]

Many tracks provide brilliant social commentary, are intensely political or provoke a stark atmosphere through brilliant lyrical imagery. If you want examples I can provide them.

Care to name a few?
Honestly, i've never heard a rap song thats not about partying, sex, drugs, violence, or about how much money they have while at the same time they're ghetto. I don't really care too much for that subject matter, nor is rap in general appealing to me.
Maybe thats because I don't really care for it and haven't heard more than whats forced upon me during daily life--Radio, loud people rapping to themselves near me when i'm standing outside, parties, etc.
Now I wont deny the talent, as freestyle requires you to be intelligent and quick if its good at all.. I can honestly say I respect that.. I sure as hell couldn't do that if my life depended on it.

In the end i'd take rock or metal, anything like that, over rap.. But to say that all rap in general is shit is kinda close-minded.

Sure.

Politics:

They say the rebels in Iraq still fight for Saddam
But that's bullshit, I'll show you why it's totally wrong
Cuz if another country invaded the hood tonight
It'd be warfare through Harlem, and Washington Heights
I wouldn't be fightin' for Bush or White America's dream
I'd be fightin' for my people's survival and self-esteem
I wouldn't fight for racist churches from the south, my nigga
I'd be fightin' to keep the occupation out, my nigga
You ever clock someone who talk shit, or look at you wrong?
Imagine if they shot at you, and was rapin' your moms
And of course Saddam Hussein had chemical weapons
We sold him that shit, after Ronald Reagan's election
Mercenary contractors fightin' a new era
Corporate military bankin' off the war on terror
They controllin' the ghetto, with the failed attack
Tryna distract the fact that they engineerin' the crack
So I'm strapped like Lee Malvo holdin' a sniper rifle
These bullets'll touch your kids, and I don't mean like Michael
Your body be sent to the morgue, stripped down and recycled
I fire on house niggaz that support you and like you
Cuz innocent people get murdered in the struggle daily
And poor people never get shit and struggle daily
This ain't no alien conspiracy theory, this shit is real
Written on the dollar underneath the Masonic seal

Social Commentary:

Yo, it's one universal law but two sides to every story
Three strikes and you be in for life, manditory
Four MC's murdered in the last four years
I ain't tryin to be the fifth one, the millenium is here
Yo it's 6 Million Ways to Die, from the seven deadly thrills
Eight-year olds gettin found with 9 mill's
It's 10 P.M., where your seeds at? What's the deal
He on the hill puffin krill to keep they belly filled
Light in the ass with heavy steel, sights on the pretty shit in life
Young soldiers tryin to earn they next stripe
When the average minimum wage is $5.15
You best believe you gotta find a new ground to get cream
The white unemployment rate, is nearly more than triple for black
so frontliners got they gun in your back
Bubblin crack, jewel theft and robbery to combat poverty
and end up in the global jail economy
Stiffer stipulations attached to each sentence
Budget cutbacks but increased police presence
And even if you get out of prison still livin
join the other five million under state supervision
This is business, no faces just lines and statistics
from your phone, your zip code, to S-S-I digits
The system break man child and women into figures
Two columns for who is, and who ain't niggaz
Numbers is hardly real and they never have feelings
but you push too hard, even numbers got limits
Why did one straw break the camel's back? Here's the secret:
the million other straws underneath it - it's all mathematics

Lyrical imagery:

Calculate the maths, navigate the maps
travel through the minds eye, meditate relax
find time and create the space to make tracks
celebrate the fact, that we escaped the traps layed to catch
the subconscious mind decieve mankind and leave the third eye blind
but my insight can not be impaired, I’m visually aware
although initially unprepared for the actuality
stifled by the practicalities of creatively, I seek freedom
I visualise the scene, I can see the grand scheme through these eyes
and dreams
my stream of consciousness is liquid tranquility
a turquoise pool of limitless calligraphy
my brain engaged in sub-aquatic activity
the endangered species released from captivity to reclaim the rainforest
and roam the outback, in the clouds we compose a soundtrack
I focus on beats and day dream about that
the fat cat scheme but we avoid the mouse trap
its abstract as a androids aspirations
seen through computer generated animations
a rainbow of pixels, invisible to the fickle
your will too weak, ya bones brittle
my flows a lone trickle of liquid on the sickle of a druid
the essence of this - the life fluid
life, I pursue it with a passion
lights camera action, another cinematic adaption

when I rise and open my eyes, its like the universe beginning
I wake at day-break, the skies are blue, the birds are singing
and even though the earths spinning
everything in view, is motionless for a minute as the true
colors of mother nature are captured in a freeze frame
it seems strange, I sit back and watch the scene change
I seek green plains and picture myself there
the city restricts me I consider my welfare
staring at a grey wall, and even when things get heated I stay cool
the astroid vapours break my fall, I take it all in my stride
use my time wisely and move with the tide
utilise the wisdom of my guide
unify light and dark to balance out either side
we provide stability, attention and care
my sidekick, the drum that comes before the snare
the psychic, i had a premonition of creation
I blocked out the noise and watched cloud formations from the park
layed out on the grass, as the darkness desends I discard chart ends
and head for shelter
everyday I’m dealt a new hand, and my crew plans to expand
see our names on your news stand in two grand, you cant distract me,
I see red when I’m angry, and red when I’m happy

I like Mos Def, but 2Pac covered every subject to rap about, including these. That's why rap went downhill after his death.

[Guiscard]

I like Mos Def, but 2Pac covered every subject to rap about, including these. That's why rap went downhill after his death.

I beg to differ. Mos Def has more lyrical ingenuity than Tupac could ever muster. Sure he often had a good message, and his flow was tight, but lyrical style? Nah... Hundreds of rappers got him beat on complex rhymes, interplay of metaphors, dual or triple imagery...

[Dmunster]

I cant listen to any of the c-rap on the radio. I do however like some of the less known artists: Blackalicous, Lyrics Born, DJ Shadow, Dan the Automator, Del tha funky homosapien, Mos Def, Antipop Consortium, Quannum Artists, Atmosphere and of course "Wu-Tang Clan aint nothin to f*ck wit!".

[Dmunster]

I like Mos Def, but 2Pac covered every subject to rap about, including these. That's why rap went downhill after his death.

I beg to differ. Mos Def has more lyrical ingenuity than Tupac could ever muster. Sure he often had a good message, and his flow was tight, but lyrical style? Nah... Hundreds of rappers got him beat on complex rhymes, interplay of metaphors, dual or triple imagery...

You ever hear the Quannum Artists album? That shit would blow you away. I suggest you pick up a copy. It's a two cd set. DJ Shadow cuttin with Blackalicous, Lyrics Born, Gift of Gab all rhymin. Friggin epic freestyle album.

[Guiscard]

I like Mos Def, but 2Pac covered every subject to rap about, including these. That's why rap went downhill after his death.

I beg to differ. Mos Def has more lyrical ingenuity than Tupac could ever muster. Sure he often had a good message, and his flow was tight, but lyrical style? Nah... Hundreds of rappers got him beat on complex rhymes, interplay of metaphors, dual or triple imagery...

You ever hear the Quannum Artists album? That shit would blow you away. I suggest you pick up a copy. It's a two cd set. DJ Shadow cuttin with Blackalicous, Lyrics Born, Gift of Gab all rhymin. Friggin epic freestyle album.

Yeh its good stuff. Quannum have got a good roster, one of the few genuinely successful labels still putting out quality stuff.

[Psilocbin]

I like Mos Def, but 2Pac covered every subject to rap about, including these. That's why rap went downhill after his death.

I beg to differ. Mos Def has more lyrical ingenuity than Tupac could ever muster. Sure he often had a good message, and his flow was tight, but lyrical style? Nah... Hundreds of rappers got him beat on complex rhymes, interplay of metaphors, dual or triple imagery...

Mos Def doesn't have much to rap about. I mean Mrs. Fat Booty? Compared to Changes? I'm sorry, 2Pac owned rap and died owning it. Even 2Pac's worst songs have good flow and rhyme. Mos Def is good, but does not stand out. (Maybe "I against I")

[Genghis Khant]

Well here's how it started, I heard you on the radio,
Talking 'bout rap, saying all that crap,
About how we sample, here's an example,
You think we'll let you get away with that,
You criticize our methods, of how we make records,
You said it wasn't art, so now we're gonna rip you apart.

Stop. Check it out my man,
This is the music of a hip hop band,
Jazz, well you can call it that,
But this jazz retains a new format.

Point. When you misjudged us,
Speculated & created a fuss,
You've made the same mistake politicians have....
Talkin' all that jazz.


Talk, well I heard talk is cheap,
But like beauty, talk is just skin deep,
And when you lie & talk a lot,
People tell you to step off a lot.

You see you misunderstood, a sample's just a tact,
It's a portion of my method, a tool in fact,
It's only of importance when I make it a priority,
And what we sample is loved by the majority,
But you're a minority in terms of thought,
Narrow minded and poorly taught,
About hip hop aim or the silly game,
To erase my music, so no one can use it,
You step on us and we'll step on you,
Can't have your cake & eat it too....
Talkin' all that jazz.


Lies, that's when you hide the truth,
It's when you talk more jazz than proof,
And when you lie and address something you don't know,
It's so whack that it's bound to show.

When you lie about me & the band we get angry,
Whip out my pen and start writing again,
And the things we write are always true sucker,
So get a grip 'cos now I'm talking 'bout you.

Seems to me that you have a problem,
So we can see what we can do to solve them,
You say rap's a fad, you must be mad,
'Cos we're so bad we get respect you never had.

Tell the truth James Brown was old,
'Till Eric & Rakim came out with I Got Soul,
Rap brings back old R&B and if we would not,
People would have forgot.

We want to make this perfectly clear,
We're talented & strong & have no fear,
Of those who choose to judge, but lack pizazz....
Talkin' all that jazz.


Now we're not trying to be a boss to you,
We just want to get across to you,
That if you're talking jazz the situation is a no win,
You might even get hurt my friend.

Stetsasonic the hip hop band
And like Sly & The Family Stone we will stand,
Up for the music we love and play,
And for the song we sing today.

For now let's set the record straight,
Later on we can have a forum & a formal debate,
But it's important to remember though,
What you reap is what you sow....
Talkin' all that jazz.


--Stetsasonic

[DirtyDishSoap]

Ugh, I hate rap. There is no talent involved, and there really isnt any creativity in todays hip hop/rap. ex. lyrics from "this is why Im hot"(which sux) "Im hot cuz Im fly, you aint cuz you not". In my opinion, rock is exponentially better. comments?

walk it out sucks just as much

[Guiscard]

Mos Def doesn't have much to rap about. I mean Mrs. Fat Booty? Compared to Changes? I'm sorry, 2Pac owned rap and died owning it. Even 2Pac's worst songs have good flow and rhyme. Mos Def is good, but does not stand out. (Maybe "I against I")

Yeh Mos Def certainly has a particular style which certainly isn't for everyone... He is in no way my favourite rapper, but I just thing labelling Tupac as the be all and end all of rap music is a complete disservice to hundreds of very very talented rappers who still continue to play the game. He was a legend, and an incredibly talented rapper, but he wasn't a patch on old Tribe or Souls of Mischief stuff (to me at least) and he's got nothing on peeps like El-P on lyrical complexity and style, and El-P's still going strong.

He's the pinnacle of the 90's hardcore style, with more substance than Wu-Tang, but that's only one type of rap.

Anyway, nice to see some CC heads reppin hip-hop. You ever listen to UK stuff Psilocbin?

[sam_levi_11]

Ugh, I hate rap. There is no talent involved, and there really isnt any creativity in todays hip hop/rap. ex. lyrics from "this is why Im hot"(which sux) "Im hot cuz Im fly, you aint cuz you not". In my opinion, rock is exponentially better. comments?

amen to that, rap suks and the only pweople that like it are old people trying to be trendy and chavs.

DEATH TO CHAVS




DO THE RIGHT THING BY YOUR COUNRTY, KILL A CHAV

[Guiscard]

Ugh, I hate rap. There is no talent involved, and there really isnt any creativity in todays hip hop/rap. ex. lyrics from "this is why Im hot"(which sux) "Im hot cuz Im fly, you aint cuz you not". In my opinion, rock is exponentially better. comments?

amen to that, rap suks and the only pweople that like it are old people trying to be trendy and chavs.

DEATH TO CHAVS




DO THE RIGHT THING BY YOUR COUNRTY, KILL A CHAV

How old do you think I am?

You do realise you're writing off possibly the most popular and widespread type of music in the world as 'chav' music! Hip-hop has been around since the 70s. The whole 'chav' label has been around for what... 3 or 4 years?

[RobinJ]

Bring on the rap! Don't see any problem with it when it is done properly.

[Psilocbin]

I have 4 songs by Mos Def, and no dude, sorry, I don't listen to UK hip-hop. I try to be diverse and get a bit of everything into my taste.

http://www.last.fm/user/sharpbeneath

That is my WHOLE library of artists ^^^ (There is actually some more, but I haven't played them or enough to appear on those charts).

[Jenos Ridan]

Ugh, I hate rap. There is no talent involved, and there really isnt any creativity in todays hip hop/rap. ex. lyrics from "this is why Im hot"(which sux) "Im hot cuz Im fly, you aint cuz you not". In my opinion, rock is exponentially better. comments?

DUH! Rock and Metal not only rely on best skill, but don't endorse crime.

[ranck3]

You Try to rap, its vary hard to do for more than 10 seconds, plus RAP OWNz!!!!