CCup 4 format discussion (ver 5, p. 28)

by **Doc_Brown** on Thu Mar 14, 2013 9:59 am

If there is a lot of interest in tournament limits for maps, what about a limit of 2 uses during the last 4 rounds (round of 16 on)? That eliminates the advantage clans have by not playing in the earliest rounds. In all rounds, a map can be used once per round. Starting with the round of 16, a map can only be used twice for the rest of the tournament.

by **Qwert** on Thu Mar 14, 2013 10:04 am

here scheme for random draws for 36 teams

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by **IcePack** on Thu Mar 14, 2013 10:29 am

The current vote in CDF for how many times a map can be used has 18 clans voting for leaving it as is. 4 clans for using a map once per war.

The options for restricting maps to x per event alternates (two options) only has one vote.

Why is this even being discussed if so far it has 78% of the vote and when combined into 1-2 per war or x restriction to event, it's 95.5% in favor of 1-2 use of a map per war?

It would take nearly every single clan that hasn't voted to disagree to even it up let alone change it. (with 23 clans voted total so far).

by **Chariot of Fire** on Thu Mar 14, 2013 10:56 am

Why is it being discussed? Because no-one is aware that the poll in CDF has 18 clans voting in favour of using the same map twice, that's why.

by **IcePack** on Thu Mar 14, 2013 11:08 am

Chariot of Fire wrote:Why is it being discussed? Because no-one is aware that the poll in CDF has 18 clans voting in favour of using the same map twice, that's why.

You're Clan rep has voted. Maybe communicate w him?

by **IcePack** on Thu Mar 14, 2013 11:20 am

IcePack wrote:
Chariot of Fire wrote:Why is it being discussed? Because no-one is aware that the poll in CDF has 18 clans voting in favour of using the same map twice, that's why.

You're Clan rep has voted. Maybe communicate w him?

And so has qwert's clan. And both were votes for either leave as is or once per war. Seems you should discuss with your clan rep more if you feel so strongly otherwise. Because as of right now the vast majority of votes are to remain as is.

by **Qwert** on Thu Mar 14, 2013 11:51 am

Chariot of Fire wrote:Why is it being discussed? Because no-one is aware that the poll in CDF has 18 clans voting in favour of using the same map twice, that's why.

if i understand correct one clan can use only 10 maps in round 1? And then can repeat these maps in every round?

by **jetsetwilly** on Thu Mar 14, 2013 12:02 pm

Ice is correct, that vote looks very one sided so any discussion on it over here is fairly pointless. I'm a little disappointed, the variation offered by the lack of repeats would have made it more interesting but the majority have clearly spoken !

We should be clear over here on anything else we believe warrants a vote so that everyone knows it's going on.

by **chapcrap** on Thu Mar 14, 2013 12:12 pm

Chariot of Fire wrote:qwert is right in that a clan only has to use 30 maps the entire tournament if we implement a "one map per round" rule. Right now, as the rules stand, a clan only has to use 15 maps the entire tournament. I find this intrinsically wrong and believe it should change.

I disagree completely. I just want normal wars. Please just leave all of the crazy rules in the Clan League. Let the Cup be straightforward.

by **IcePack** on Thu Mar 14, 2013 12:17 pm

chapcrap wrote:
Chariot of Fire wrote:qwert is right in that a clan only has to use 30 maps the entire tournament if we implement a "one map per round" rule. Right now, as the rules stand, a clan only has to use 15 maps the entire tournament. I find this intrinsically wrong and believe it should change.

I disagree completely. I just want normal wars. Please just leave all of the crazy rules in the Clan League. Let the Cup be straightforward.

This.

by **jghost7** on Thu Mar 14, 2013 12:19 pm

chapcrap wrote:
Chariot of Fire wrote:qwert is right in that a clan only has to use 30 maps the entire tournament if we implement a "one map per round" rule. Right now, as the rules stand, a clan only has to use 15 maps the entire tournament. I find this intrinsically wrong and believe it should change.

I disagree completely. I just want normal wars. Please just leave all of the crazy rules in the Clan League. Let the Cup be straightforward.

+1

by **Genoke** on Thu Mar 14, 2013 3:35 pm

jghost7 wrote:
chapcrap wrote:
Chariot of Fire wrote:qwert is right in that a clan only has to use 30 maps the entire tournament if we implement a "one map per round" rule. Right now, as the rules stand, a clan only has to use 15 maps the entire tournament. I find this intrinsically wrong and believe it should change.

I disagree completely. I just want normal wars. Please just leave all of the crazy rules in the Clan League. Let the Cup be straightforward.

+1

make it 2

by **The Voice** on Thu Mar 14, 2013 3:44 pm

Genoke wrote:
jghost7 wrote:
chapcrap wrote:
Chariot of Fire wrote:qwert is right in that a clan only has to use 30 maps the entire tournament if we implement a "one map per round" rule. Right now, as the rules stand, a clan only has to use 15 maps the entire tournament. I find this intrinsically wrong and believe it should change.

I disagree completely. I just want normal wars. Please just leave all of the crazy rules in the Clan League. Let the Cup be straightforward.

+1

make it 2

Word

by **Crazyirishman** on Thu Mar 14, 2013 8:39 pm

The Voice wrote:
Genoke wrote:
jghost7 wrote:
chapcrap wrote:
Chariot of Fire wrote:qwert is right in that a clan only has to use 30 maps the entire tournament if we implement a "one map per round" rule. Right now, as the rules stand, a clan only has to use 15 maps the entire tournament. I find this intrinsically wrong and believe it should change.

I disagree completely. I just want normal wars. Please just leave all of the crazy rules in the Clan League. Let the Cup be straightforward.

+1

make it 2

Word

What's the definition of normal?

by **IcePack** on Thu Mar 14, 2013 8:41 pm

Crazyirishman wrote:
The Voice wrote:
Genoke wrote:
jghost7 wrote:
chapcrap wrote:
Chariot of Fire wrote:qwert is right in that a clan only has to use 30 maps the entire tournament if we implement a "one map per round" rule. Right now, as the rules stand, a clan only has to use 15 maps the entire tournament. I find this intrinsically wrong and believe it should change.

I disagree completely. I just want normal wars. Please just leave all of the crazy rules in the Clan League. Let the Cup be straightforward.

+1

make it 2

Word

What's the definition of normal?

Pretty much what has been CC, CC2, CC3?

by **josko.ri** on Fri Mar 15, 2013 2:48 am

IcePack wrote:
Crazyirishman wrote:
What's the definition of normal?

Pretty much what has been CC, CC2, CC3?

not everyone participated in those competitions and even the ones who participated can hard remember what they played 1,2,3 years ago. Isn't it more honest to first describe what is "normal" before any voting and asking for support? People are lazy, they enjoyed let's say CC3 so without further reading they will vote for "leave it as it is" if there is not described what is that for what they vote. If there is precisely described what is "leave it as it is" and what is "new proposal" then you can use the voting result as legit.

by **eddie2** on Fri Mar 15, 2013 3:39 am

i do not like the part about being a member of cd and friends group to join. we do have a rep there (mainly to see what bullshit is being talked about now..)but this is like saying nobody can join a tourney unless they join the tpa...

Some clans are just not all that into the politics side of it and just want to play the games so why be forced into joining a user group they do not want so they can play the game...

and ps dako i was glad to see you are running this and know you will be fair and inpartial...

by **chapcrap** on Fri Mar 15, 2013 7:45 am

Crazyirishman wrote:
The Voice wrote:
Genoke wrote:
jghost7 wrote:
chapcrap wrote:
Chariot of Fire wrote:qwert is right in that a clan only has to use 30 maps the entire tournament if we implement a "one map per round" rule. Right now, as the rules stand, a clan only has to use 15 maps the entire tournament. I find this intrinsically wrong and believe it should change.

I disagree completely. I just want normal wars. Please just leave all of the crazy rules in the Clan League. Let the Cup be straightforward.

+1

make it 2

Word

What's the definition of normal?

A typical clan war. The clans negotiate basic terms. I'm ok with mandated game limits, limits on trench (like 20% or only in Round 1), and making people follow a round creationg deadline. Other than that, let's just be a little more laissez-faire.

by **Qwert** on Fri Mar 15, 2013 8:29 am

hmm, these its not normal competition, its Cup, so if Dako dont have rules, and that clans negotiate basic terms, then these can go out of control.
For normal wars,you all ready have clan challenges. And its Cup discussion topic, i dont understand why Fallen are nervous, its not mean that any what people suggest will be accepted.
For change will be good to give suggestions, not to oppose anything what other only suggested.

by **IcePack** on Fri Mar 15, 2013 8:32 am

josko.ri wrote:
IcePack wrote:
Crazyirishman wrote:
What's the definition of normal?

Pretty much what has been CC, CC2, CC3?

not everyone participated in those competitions and even the ones who participated can hard remember what they played 1,2,3 years ago. Isn't it more honest to first describe what is "normal" before any voting and asking for support? People are lazy, they enjoyed let's say CC3 so without further reading they will vote for "leave it as it is" if there is not described what is that for what they vote. If there is precisely described what is "leave it as it is" and what is "new proposal" then you can use the voting result as legit.

You're a smart guy, I know that you can handle defining normal here.
For the other, CC3 is still active, listed and can be read anytime.

The vote had more detail, if your concerned w the vote go speak to your clan rep from CDF. There is plenty of chance in vote thread to give feedback or comments, or ask "what is normal" if they are so concerned they can't figure out those simple voting options.

I'm pretty sure most can understand though, there isn't a mass posting asking what is normal or clarifying the new proposed terms.

Chap hit it on the head tho, in a simple paragraph. For more details, check your KORT vs TOFU OP. it's part of CC3, if you weren't aware.

IcePack

by **IcePack** on Fri Mar 15, 2013 8:35 am

qwert wrote:hmm, these its not normal competition, its Cup, so if Dako dont have rules, and that clans negotiate basic terms, then these can go out of control.
For normal wars,you all ready have clan challenges. And its Cup discussion topic, i dont understand why Fallen are nervous, its not mean that any what people suggest will be accepted.
For change will be good to give suggestions, not to oppose anything what other only suggested.

The cup was built to be a collection of normal wars, with a basic structure of rules to form the competition. It is a discussion topic. We aren't nervous. You propose / want to discuss new terms or rules, and we respond. That's how this works isn't it qwert? Or are discussions only one way?

by **Foxglove** on Fri Mar 15, 2013 10:44 am

IcePack wrote:The vote had more detail, if your concerned w the vote go speak to your clan rep from CDF.

This comment has been tossed out there a few times, but I think it's unreasonable for every clan member to be fully cognizant of the discussions and votes happening in CDF just because their clan has one representative member in the group. Sure, the clan rep should keep his or her clan informed - but those of you who are in the group obviously have a much clearer insight into what happens there. And just because a vote or discussion happens there, doesn't mean that similar discussions should be shut down here.

It is useful to share info like - "this discussion about maps? 80% (or whatever) of the reps in CDF voted against it, so we probably don't need to continue it if only one or two people in this thread are strongly for it", but please don't just automatically try to shut down conversations and refer people to their CDF rep.

by **IcePack** on Fri Mar 15, 2013 10:54 am

Foxglove wrote:
IcePack wrote:The vote had more detail, if your concerned w the vote go speak to your clan rep from CDF.

This comment has been tossed out there a few times, but I think it's unreasonable for every clan member to be fully cognizant of the discussions and votes happening in CDF just because their clan has one representative member in the group. Sure, the clan rep should keep his or her clan informed - but those of you who are in the group obviously have a much clearer insight into what happens there. And just because a vote or discussion happens there, doesn't mean that similar discussions should be shut down here.

It is useful to share info like - "this discussion about maps? 80% (or whatever) of the reps in CDF voted against it, so we probably don't need to continue it if only one or two people in this thread are strongly for it", but please don't just automatically try to shut down conversations and refer people to their CDF rep.

Fair point about CDF. But when josko says CC1,2,3 was awhile ago and people won't remember - CC3 is still active...and those semi finals, an main thread still very visible to the clan area. Saying a better definition of "normal" war is needed kind of ridiculous.

Saying people voted one way because they are to lazy to read more without providing definitions, and need to be explicitly stated here when there are examples all over the clan community.... Sorry, I just don't buy it.

But I agree, a better job of indicating what's being voted on shoul be done so people are more aware of CdF actions. And I point out CDF rep a lot because I think people need to be more aware who they are and what they are actually voting.

IcePack

by **BGtheBrain** on Fri Mar 15, 2013 10:56 am

*****

by **jetsetwilly** on Fri Mar 15, 2013 10:56 am

Not to mention the fact that your rep is on holiday

Foxglove wrote:
IcePack wrote:The vote had more detail, if your concerned w the vote go speak to your clan rep from CDF.

This comment has been tossed out there a few times, but I think it's unreasonable for every clan member to be fully cognizant of the discussions and votes happening in CDF just because their clan has one representative member in the group. Sure, the clan rep should keep his or her clan informed - but those of you who are in the group obviously have a much clearer insight into what happens there. And just because a vote or discussion happens there, doesn't mean that similar discussions should be shut down here.

It is useful to share info like - "this discussion about maps? 80% (or whatever) of the reps in CDF voted against it, so we probably don't need to continue it if only one or two people in this thread are strongly for it", but please don't just automatically try to shut down conversations and refer people to their CDF rep.

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