[Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia Endgame

by **betiko** on Sun Feb 10, 2013 5:38 am

oh and about the edoc kill; as you can see killing you was part of my WC, it wasn't a punishment. Although it shows that I knew that I would totally get away with it killing you and no one would regret you after what you said. I just basically killed all game players that wouldn't be regreted, as I planned to tell nothing but the truth when outed.
Also, I went for doom just for brownie points as I didn't care if he stayed alive or not. spiesr asked me why I had never killed him; had to dodge the question and kill him..

by **Nendreel** on Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:21 am

Well, I was certainly fooled. I had no idea PCM was Cult until after Hippo was lynched and Endgame didn't happen.

I suppose I did help you out a bit Betiko, when I said it wasn't worth reviving edoc. :lol:

This game was a lot of fun.

by **betiko** on Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:44 am

Nendreel wrote:Well, I was certainly fooled. I had no idea PCM was Cult until after Hippo was lynched and Endgame didn't happen.

I suppose I did help you out a bit Betiko, when I said it wasn't worth reviving edoc.

This game was a lot of fun.

yeah jak had been saying the truth. I must admit that I was pretty much up for it back then, but he told a few inconsistences. I do think that lots of us would ve won with his offer, I was trying to keep it open in a "why not" kind of way but no unaligned human was following this great offer.. Didn't want to put myself in danger and be associated to the cult group. Also I'm surprised because vodean's role was revealed after commander/witt's death, letting me think he was the last one of that faction.

nendreel, did you get your WC?

also, saf said lots of wierd stuff for an insane proof human, I thought that spiesr had something there..

anyone else had a game long PR?

by **Nendreel** on Sun Feb 10, 2013 9:01 am

I did meet my WC, way back on N5/D6 when PCM and I got a double reanimation. I guess only I got my WC though since PCM was Cult by that point.

by **betiko** on Sun Feb 10, 2013 9:18 am

Nendreel wrote:I did meet my WC, way back on N5/D6 when PCM and I got a double reanimation. I guess only I got my WC though since PCM was Cult by that point.

was actually thinking aligning myself to you or hippo when I took the decision. Also I thought IB was aligned with you, never thought he was with the yith. I guess IB chose his alignment quite early.

by the way, was there anything fishy in your first revives, or did you nail it?

by **Nendreel** on Sun Feb 10, 2013 9:26 am

Nothing fishy from us, we didn't have a kill ability so we just went with the most likely human targets. We pretty much nailed it. Especially since for two of those nights I was on my own.

by **Little Witt** on Sun Feb 10, 2013 10:46 am

I don't know if this would have changed anything if I had got this info out before my first lynch. I also needed to find the book as LW 1.0 Some of you might have guessed that from scenes. Lol, Betiko what an awful PR to deal with alll game

by **Rodion** on Sun Feb 10, 2013 12:16 pm

Upon becoming a zombie, my WC changed to killing Nendreel and PCM (Herbert West and The Colleague). It was hard to accomplish that since they had gotten major town cred for reviving town players, I was alone with my WC (I reckoned that Yoshi's cult WC overrode his zombie WC) and I had no powers.

I got pretty happy when Hippo erased Nendreel and just wanted to make sure he'd survive D10 so he could keep his plan of nailing PCM. Unfortunately, he decided to kill me instead.

In the end, both Nendreel and PCM died and my WC never said I had to accomplish this while living, so it seems I might have won the game as well. *crosses fingers*

by **rishaed** on Sun Feb 10, 2013 12:20 pm

Yeah, I had stated around two days ago what would endgame us. (Of course the only thing i didn't include was the fact i was going to NK betiko). But yeah, I had a PR. I couldn't mention Yog-Sothoth, b/c he was the cause of my insanity. I had gone insane when Rolecoping chapcrap, and afterwards couldn't ask any more questions. Its why i suggested to Hippo that he vig Jonty as soon as he said he lost his ability to ask questions. For me it was a confirmation that he just became an SK. I was always curious on why Safari tied my alignment to the Elder Things. . . I never lied about who I worshipped. As for my NK's I killed, Saf, Speisr, and IB. I was wondering why nobody picked up that they all started dying right after I became a "survivor". And yes I knew i didn't have to kill revived humans/zombies. Also a side note, I had never said but i suspected on the night i had Jonty killed, that PCM was the more likely culty, because of the Yiths revelation that he was a "useful" PR.
fp'd

by **jak111** on Sun Feb 10, 2013 12:34 pm

Bahahaha, I'm sorta upset now... Have been since my death scene.

/ wrote:You are Nyarlathotep; the Crawling Chaos, the God of a Thousand Forms.
The only Outer God currently walking the earth, sowing chaos and plotting on humans for your amusement.
You appear in many shapes, most of which bring mind-shattering horror to lesser beings, but one that you use frequently is that of a dark Egyptian pharaoh-like man, with this form you play your strange alien devices, drawing followers deep into madness.

Abilities
Cult recruiter: can recruit humans into your cult, but will die if targeting an unsealed elder god
Immune to death by normal human means

You win if cult outnumbers the total of non-recruited players, you do not have to survive to achieve this.

As you can see, it did not say I was to be killed in the "red" colour so I had hoped I was 3rd party at least.

But my biggest disappointment were my own teammates, I was COMPLETELY powerless besides being able to recruit, and only recruit humans at that! I told them this and Commander9 said he would talk to New Guy to get him to joint with us, obviously he never did and he blamed me for that.

Then we had that Vodean incident which at first I was pissed at Doom because when Vodean died he was not showing as he was with us, but once he flipped I was pissed at Vodean for pulling his little stunt.

Commander might accuse me of gamethrowing, but as you could see my reluctance to say all of the cult members (PCM) almost paid off.

I feel I was a bit underpowered with being able to die against an unknown enemy AND the yith being able to find me so easily. But even with my underpower I did offer a legit offer to all of those alive at the time and we could have had way more winners. As you can see, the "town" faction wasn't worth fighting for. 3 people. I could have converted them easily.

Finally, when it was taking you all so long to lynch Hippo, I was laughing my ass off because I would have hung him there back around Day 7 or 8, whichever one he pretty much outed himself on. I even gave you all the pieces about the Elder Gods that you'd need to figure out that he wasn't good news.

But yeah, had fun playing this game

Next time I hope my role is a bit more powerful than being outed within 3-4 game days >.<

by **Nendreel** on Sun Feb 10, 2013 12:52 pm

Rodion wrote:Upon becoming a zombie, my WC changed to killing Nendreel and PCM (Herbert West and The Colleague). It was hard to accomplish that since they had gotten major town cred for reviving town players, I was alone with my WC (I reckoned that Yoshi's cult WC overrode his zombie WC) and I had no powers.

I got pretty happy when Hippo erased Nendreel and just wanted to make sure he'd survive D10 so he could keep his plan of nailing PCM. Unfortunately, he decided to kill me instead.

In the end, both Nendreel and PCM died and my WC never said I had to accomplish this while living, so it seems I might have won the game as well. *crosses fingers*

@Rodion: Damn, we were getting near to the point of paranoia about whether or not the zombies wanted to kill us. I was sure when Doom didn't come after us that we were safe. Looks like PCM was right about that part after all. :lol:

@jak: That was a pretty daring move, and if you had at least one more member it probably would have worked. I did seriously consider the offer, and if I had known my partner was already cult I may have even gone with it.
Incidentally I didn't have any color in my PM either, so that's why I initially thought I was Unaligned rather than Third Fourth Fifth Party.

by **rishaed** on Sun Feb 10, 2013 1:11 pm

It was an amazing game, but I was almost screaming the last several days after I died. I was like, "I told them that either PCM/Jonty are cult, and if Jonty wasn't cult they need to lynch PCM. . ." Jonty though really got the short end of the stick, but I do think that he won

by **Kanin Usagi** on Sun Feb 10, 2013 1:20 pm

Kind of pissed that I got killed, especially since I was the most vocal of my Yith buddies. And towards the end game, I was practically screaming "JUST F*ING LYNCH HIPPO ALREADY!" But I had a ton of fun with this game. I don't think / ever thought that the Yith might use their roles as a sort of pseudo-cop ability for the rest of the players, because once we outed ourselves and helped everyone out getting rid of superfluous parties, no one would have dared suggest a lynch of us.

by **Kanin Usagi** on Sun Feb 10, 2013 1:23 pm

new guy1 wrote:I can be worshiped? Hmm, who knew? Well if you guys worship me then we should win the game, right?

Also, I totally called this. Around day three or four, I brought up the thought that we could be worshipped with comm and New Guy, but neither really responded to it.

by **rishaed** on Sun Feb 10, 2013 2:35 pm

Your death was a complete accident. I don't think that either me/betiko knew that you were in Chapcraps body. On the other hand I didn't realize that my WC change didn't effect the fact that I could win w/ Hippo. Otherwise I might have said, screw it, if betiko wins as an SK, im going to kill PCM and not Betiko. It would have effectivly endgamed us 2 days earlier.

by **edocsil** on Sun Feb 10, 2013 2:37 pm

I find it a little odd that I had to die as a survivor for someone else to win. Anyhow, good to know I wasn't killed for no reason. good game all.

by **Iron Butterfly** on Sun Feb 10, 2013 3:48 pm

jak111 wrote:Bahahaha, I'm sorta upset now... Have been since my death scene.
/ wrote:You are Nyarlathotep; the Crawling Chaos, the God of a Thousand Forms.
The only Outer God currently walking the earth, sowing chaos and plotting on humans for your amusement.
You appear in many shapes, most of which bring mind-shattering horror to lesser beings, but one that you use frequently is that of a dark Egyptian pharaoh-like man, with this form you play your strange alien devices, drawing followers deep into madness.

Abilities
Cult recruiter: can recruit humans into your cult, but will die if targeting an unsealed elder god
Immune to death by normal human means

You win if cult outnumbers the total of non-recruited players, you do not have to survive to achieve this.

As you can see, it did not say I was to be killed in the "red" colour so I had hoped I was 3rd party at least.

But my biggest disappointment were my own teammates, I was COMPLETELY powerless besides being able to recruit, and only recruit humans at that! I told them this and Commander9 said he would talk to New Guy to get him to joint with us, obviously he never did and he blamed me for that.

Then we had that Vodean incident which at first I was pissed at Doom because when Vodean died he was not showing as he was with us, but once he flipped I was pissed at Vodean for pulling his little stunt.

Commander might accuse me of gamethrowing, but as you could see my reluctance to say all of the cult members (PCM) almost paid off.

I feel I was a bit underpowered with being able to die against an unknown enemy AND the yith being able to find me so easily. But even with my underpower I did offer a legit offer to all of those alive at the time and we could have had way more winners. As you can see, the "town" faction wasn't worth fighting for. 3 people. I could have converted them easily.

Finally, when it was taking you all so long to lynch Hippo, I was laughing my ass off because I would have hung him there back around Day 7 or 8, whichever one he pretty much outed himself on. I even gave you all the pieces about the Elder Gods that you'd need to figure out that he wasn't good news.

But yeah, had fun playing this game Next time I hope my role is a bit more powerful than being outed within 3-4 game days >.<

Jak if you had not been so aggressive towards me about the difference between Outer Gods and Old Ones you may have lasted longer. It was your push that made me delve deeper into the scenes and pick apart your story.

I think I chose to worship new guy around day 5 or 6. I tied my win condition to the yith surviving...you would think I would have just shut up....lol nope helping kill elder gods was more fun.

by **new guy1** on Sun Feb 10, 2013 3:53 pm

Kanin Usagi wrote:
new guy1 wrote:I can be worshiped? Hmm, who knew? Well if you guys worship me then we should win the game, right?

Also, I totally called this. Around day three or four, I brought up the thought that we could be worshipped with comm and New Guy, but neither really responded to it.

I knew I could be, I just figured if I said I knew I could I would get lynched, so I acted like I was oblivious.

Also, Im surprised at all the people who actually believed our role was so powerful and yet all we needed to do was survive and I think that was our greatest weakness, that the players wouldnt believe that we were being honest.

by **betiko** on Sun Feb 10, 2013 4:09 pm

I think that jak had a point when he outed himself, and all his cult mates should ve outed themselves and helped him convince us. the math was good! I personally thought untill endgame he inflated the number by 1. He kind of made a contradictory statement or 2 that made me back off at some point regarding the number of recruted players and how they all got recruited. I think the recruits were very smart. a reviver a yith, 2 unaligned... with all those powers you could convince lots of factions, and you were far from underpowered with all that help..

rodion: regarding your WC I don't know, I just needed PCM to die and / told me that once killed my insanity WC became irrelevant, so maybe it's the same with the zombie WC once you die..

IB: when we were masoned were you already yith aligned? dude you became really paranoid and uncooperative, we could've worked something, and your reactions made me really suspicious about your motives.

and yes yith; no one had any interest in killing you, that was strange. Maybe the only downside of your role was that you could be killed by accident, like what happened to kanin.

so what the hell were elder things and the shogoth up to??

strike was holding the book, but what was his WC?

by **safariguy5** on Sun Feb 10, 2013 4:10 pm

I have to say, the amount of non town roles and the apparent lack of town players made it difficult for me to figure out who to trust. As for the insanity-proof thing, I felt it was best just to play it safe and not ask yog anything for fear of changing alignment even if I wasn't going to go insane with a PR.

Very interesting game, the fact that I was possessed multiple times made it a bit frustrating in the middle part of the game.

by **rishaed** on Sun Feb 10, 2013 4:15 pm

I must say though, I was probably intrumental in keeping Hippo alive, Me letting town know what his abilities were was instrumental in us picking Him over Witt. . . though he was insanely scummy, the information was from a confirmed 3rd party, so it was believable. More so than Witt.

by **pancakemix** on Sun Feb 10, 2013 5:52 pm

Damn you, Jak, for recruiting me the night before I would have won. :lol:

I had considered teling Nendreel about the recruitment, but I decided not to since I wasn't exposed. I thought with him alive I'd have better credentials. I also figured if I sold the "I already won" thing hard enough I could eke it out. In hindsight, lynching hippo was a mistake, for how hard I pushed it. Ultimately, it would have been three days of trying to argue that I wasn't scum after the only people left were resurrected town (which I didn't really want Nendreel to do. I REALLY should have told him...)

by **betiko** on Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:42 pm

pancakemix wrote:Damn you, Jak, for recruiting me the night before I would have won.

I had considered teling Nendreel about the recruitment, but I decided not to since I wasn't exposed. I thought with him alive I'd have better credentials. I also figured if I sold the "I already won" thing hard enough I could eke it out. In hindsight, lynching hippo was a mistake, for how hard I pushed it. Ultimately, it would have been three days of trying to argue that I wasn't scum after the only people left were resurrected town (which I didn't really want Nendreel to do. I REALLY should have told him...)

I had an agreement with soundman to kill you whatever happened the next day. not sure he wanted to still go for it after he figured out I was insane, I was a serial killer, and I was hippo aligned. Nevertheless, he could've seen I hadn't lied in anything and that I was even agreed to go for hippo (being my alignment, what he descovered the next morning) just to make sure you would be killed. I don't know if I should've told soundman my WC regarding killing all non revived humans..
But you should've pushed somehow on the safari option. The only insanity proof character being the one with cold feet to become insane seriously?? As a spectator, I was thinking that if ever there was a cult left it was probably him. even now it soesn't make any sense to me. Also safari, what was this wrong alignment thing you gave to rishaed?
Also rishaed, I realized the serial killer could only be you on the nice day when you proposed this awesome plan; get jonty and PCM night killed. You definitely were going to kill me and acheive the same WC... I should ve speaken up. But you should've talked to / to ask him if you were still hippo aligned or not. You did quite some harm to the hippo faction at some point as you were directly pointing fingers at him instead of going with the flow if you really had to. Pretty fucked up that being both the exact same thing we couldn't work together... But if we actually had to kill all humans, we needed to actually finish killing each other? seems logical..

by **rishaed** on Sun Feb 10, 2013 7:26 pm

Yeah, I was trying to. . . I thought my only way to win was the SK condition, because it came after I worshipped hippo. Thus I was trying to end the game on a day where I could sic town on you for being the SK, by saying I "cop'd" you. Seeing as you admitted to killing people under the guise of a vig, I figured they would take my word over yours. That didn't happen, then I saw that If only i could convince you to kill PCM for me then I could end it on a night, however I knew that for the other SK i was basically exposing myself, and thus it became very risky for me.

by **betiko** on Sun Feb 10, 2013 7:36 pm

rishaed wrote:Yeah, I was trying to. . . I thought my only way to win was the SK condition, because it came after I worshipped hippo. Thus I was trying to end the game on a day where I could sic town on you for being the SK, by saying I "cop'd" you. Seeing as you admitted to killing people under the guise of a vig, I figured they would take my word over yours. That didn't happen, then I saw that If only i could convince you to kill PCM for me then I could end it on a night, however I knew that for the other SK i was basically exposing myself, and thus it became very risky for me.

you never came up with good explanations on all your night actions. I carefully selected all my targets all game long and I said nothing but the truth being 100% cooperative. Not to mention the proofs that there was another SK killing townies (you!!!!!). I've actually technically worked as a vig and did nothing to harm town (had no reason to, they were all revived). Even killed elder things and a cult zombie. I doubt you could've matched my town credit any day..

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