Too many Items Mafia (4/14) Endgame: I Confess

[thehippo8]

Night time ... let's see what a sleep will do ... I thought to myself, rather than drift off to sleep tonight I'll go for step 4!!

[crazymilkshake5]

official vote count

zimmah-thehippo8-L3
LSU Tiger Josh- jonty-L3
Jonty125-zimmah, hippo-L2
hippo8-IB, zimmah, LSU-L1

[zimmah]

As was pointed out the night that Jonty claimed his "money" disappeared" the baseball bat "appeared". During previous "movements" at night items seemed to reappear the very next day with the WT. Jonty was one of the two under the gun yesterday and I'm continuing that vote until someone claims they received "money" to "buy" a second" vote. From what I can tell town only has passive powers left that can not be taken so the money seems a bit off to me.

Your case against me is that a) the money hasn't turned up and b) town have only passive powers left. Well part a) he was a MAFIA magician, he could have turned the money into or a bat. OR the 2 events COULD be completely unrelated. And part B is just rubbish, saying I'm scum, because my ability is not passive.

vote LSU mostly for Part B

This is why I am almost convinced you are lying.

You claim the bat did not even exists before I got it. However, I believe hippo got silenced much earlier in the game. At least someone did, doesn't really matter who.

Therefore, unvote vote jonty

I am getting more and more convinced you are at the edge of supporting your web of lies.

[jonty125]

You claim the bat did not even exists before I got it.

Well I can't explain its appearance otherwise.

[Iron Butterfly]

I'm inclined to accept / (certainly in absence of any counter-claiming) and by implication I'm not looking at Zim either. Interesting that the bat could have been used to set someone up? This would be particularly so if handed to town as there would be no ability to use it at night!

I find spiesr's attempt at a defence uncompelling. Frankly rubbishing a case outright and then answering it with questions is never particularly compelling in my book, but I guess that's a style thing. In answer to the "why would I" comes the "why wouldn't you - to look town - to deflect - playing badly" etc responses. Anyway, vote spiesr.

@ Neb - I know you've been away but I really don't get where you are coming from. On my reading pershy has been frequently posting and trying to nut things out. There is a difference between that and jumping around votes. I would have thought you would have gone a little more softly than to leap into voting by gut feeling on day 4! Something to think about tomorrow I guess. That is to say, more explanation from you and perhaps more clarification from pershy. But a vote? Seriously?

WOW....how could we have missed this???

First I am having an extreme sense of Déjà vu. I have seen this before. Pershy was trying all he could to cast suspicion on pretty much everyone so as to keep us all guessing. Neb hit the nail on the head but it seems just a little to late. Pershy was able to achieve his win condition by keeping suspicion on as many as he could. The night scene suggests he did not do it alone, that there is another third party in the game. If the third party were other then anti-Town I would suspect they would have come forward by now.

OK ...on the day after Pershy wins Hippo first trys to cast suspicion on me when i start thinking out loud about what happened. He says," Are you trying to tell us you are the other third party?" Which is akin to saying, "When did you stop beating your wife?"
This was why I posted about him standing on the sidelines asking stupid questions.

Hippo immediately follows up with a case on Zimmah. He pretty much throws the kitchen sink at Zimmah with complete WIFOM arguments gussied up as fact. What caught my attention was his reference to Pershy's role. He states, "We now know Pershy was the thief..." blah blah blah. We know next to nothing about what Pershy was or could do other then he was a hoarder. We do not know if he could steal, if he needed to be given objects or what his win condition really was. I suspect he needed to hold onto an item for an extended period of time, in this case the WTs to achieve his win but again that is just speculation.

When I called him on the WIFOM nature of his post and his reasoning for calling Pershy a thief he immediately backed down and went into "appeasement mode". The explanation for most of it seemed fine but it still did not sit right. Its one thing to make a WIFOM argument...but to make several paragraphs???

Now Hippo appears the voice of reason to save the sanity and the souls of us poor lost Town. He claims that he worries Town will destroy itself by arguing who is who YET what does Hippo do?He does exactly...I mean exactly what Pershy did before he won. He makes pretty much everyone look scummy and suspicious so we are no better off before his post. All he has done is helped sow the seeds of doubt so everyone suspects everyone else. As it stands we have three different people voted.

Why this long post?? Hippos last post struck me BUT it was his response to Neb that I had overlooked several pages ago that made me go EURIKA.We know Neb turned out to be right and Hippo knew Neb was right. He completely defends Pershy and in the process makes Neb seem scummy for even thinking such a thing. It really can be telling in a mafia game to read past posts after some roles have been made clear.

Unvote LSU.... VOTE HIPPO

My theory...I believe that both had to win in order for one of them to win..in this case Pershy. I would be less then honest if I said I knew what the other third party win condition was but I would suspect it would be a timed one. I suspect both Pershy and Hippo have/had to survive/hold an item/give an item for a given number of days in order to achieve their specific win condition. I also suspect they may have been masoned(I could be wrong but seems logical) the night scene all but suggests that their fates are entwined and that ??? has been challenged to finish it

[thehippo8]

Well IB, you are one smart cookie ... as always! You have most of that correct, save that my WIFOM was well-intentioned. It seemed to me that town were rushing things without input from Sam and /. But that's your choice! I am not a threat to town. I have no night powers and all I can do is vote. That makes me a VT in anyones book. Now, why should I care? Hmmm, that's an interesting point. I suspect that if you lynch me then another townie will die tonight and the rest will get end-gamed and mafia win. Time to back off IB. I'm pretty sure you are town but if you don't back off and there is no end-gaming tonight then you will surely be a marked man! No, the purpose of my post was a little dfferent to Pershy's. Pershy was stalling to win the game, I am stalling to ensure that / and Sam get back into this so that town doesn't screw up! But again, I have to ask why should I care? :Lol:

Oh, incidentally ... unvote ... I was waiting to see if I should place my vote on LSU or Jonty but no need to keep it where it is. Frankly, at this time, I'd rather place the vote on / for scummarining.

[zimmah]

i think i agree, i had a suspection that hippo could be ??? after his attack on me, but i never really put any work in it because i thought at this stage we should be more worried about treats that can kill us.

[Iron Butterfly]

i think i agree, i had a suspection that hippo could be ??? after his attack on me, but i never really put any work in it because i thought at this stage we should be more worried about treats that can kill us.

You think we should be more worried about choking on marshmellows, eating poisoned apples or the drastic affects candy corn has on the body is more important then perhaps Hippo being 3rd party?

I just had a Hot Fudge Sundae. I may be fat but I am certainly NOT worried about treats that can kill us.

[LSU Tiger Josh]

There is only one maybe two antitownies left if we are assuming the ? is antitown.

Jonty OMGUS post is scummy as hell.

[zimmah]

i think i agree, i had a suspection that hippo could be ??? after his attack on me, but i never really put any work in it because i thought at this stage we should be more worried about treats that can kill us.

You think we should be more worried about choking on marshmellows, eating poisoned apples or the drastic affects candy corn has on the body is more important then perhaps Hippo being 3rd party?

I just had a Hot Fudge Sundae. I may be fat but I am certainly NOT worried about treats that can kill us.

threat, but my point remains.

[Iron Butterfly]

i think i agree, i had a suspection that hippo could be ??? after his attack on me, but i never really put any work in it because i thought at this stage we should be more worried about treats that can kill us.

You think we should be more worried about choking on marshmellows, eating poisoned apples or the drastic affects candy corn has on the body is more important then perhaps Hippo being 3rd party?

I just had a Hot Fudge Sundae. I may be fat but I am certainly NOT worried about treats that can kill us.

threat, but my point remains.

Cmon Zimmah...I thought it was funny.

[zimmah]

It is funny, but it's also a serious problem. Hippo may not be helpful to town and he may even be dangerous, but it is likely that if we lynch hippo, we may get even more behind if hippo is not the one with night kills. Even to the point we may be endgamed. We may be at or near mylo.

[samgrossy]

After trying to catch up, I see the case on Jonty.... He had money and now it is gone. He never claimed he had a baseball bat and it just showed up. So, the question is, where is the money? If jonty had the money and it got taken, either that puts him in the clear because scum aren't saying they have the money, or it makes him scummy as all get out.

So, am I summarizing this correctly?

[samgrossy]

Sorry for the double post, but I really thought hippo was scummy, I just thought he was no committal.

Here is who I think are pretty much clear: /, IB, Me.

Here is who I think probably is clear or a really good bs artist: Zim

Here is who I don't have a read on: Jonty, LSU, Hippo

So, I will try to steal away an hour in the next day or so and see what I can get from one of these guys.

[zimmah]

On the other hand, how likely is it that there is 5 mafias in a 14 player game? Isn't that a bot much or is it normal?

In fact I think hippo may have tried a sort of scare tactic for not lynching him, while actually town seems in a pretty reasonable situation. There's 3 mafia killed and 3 town! All of them VT, And out of 4 nights, only 2times was there a night kill. And 3 out of 4 lunches were right on. So, town should be in a goo d position right?

Therefore, doesn't that make hippo extra suspisuos? Should we push him for a claim at least? He made 1 mistake too many for me, especially cuz I consider hippo to be an experienced player.

Unvote vote hippo

[thehippo8]

I think Sam is right. I appreciate that he doesn't have a read on me - that's understandable ... were y'all looking for a claim or just lynching for the sake of it?

I'm just checking with out beloved mod as to what I'm allowed to say. Will come back with a claim shortly.

[Iron Butterfly]

Well IB, you are one smart cookie ... as always! You have most of that correct, save that my WIFOM was well-intentioned. It seemed to me that town were rushing things without input from Sam and /. But that's your choice! I am not a threat to town. I have no night powers and all I can do is vote. That makes me a VT in anyones book. Now, why should I care? Hmmm, that's an interesting point. I suspect that if you lynch me then another townie will die tonight and the rest will get end-gamed and mafia win. Time to back off IB. I'm pretty sure you are town but if you don't back off and there is no end-gaming tonight then you will surely be a marked man! No, the purpose of my post was a little dfferent to Pershy's. Pershy was stalling to win the game, I am stalling to ensure that / and Sam get back into this so that town doesn't screw up! But again, I have to ask why should I care? :Lol:

Oh, incidentally ... unvote ... I was waiting to see if I should place my vote on LSU or Jonty but no need to keep it where it is. Frankly, at this time, I'd rather place the vote on / for scummarining.

Do Hippos have bad memories? Your own words are in red.

So Hippo why exactly would you need to speak to the mod? You have already you claimed are a VT. You have no night powers and all you can do is vote. I did not know a VT was that complicated.

[thehippo8]

Okay ... so I spoke to the mod. Here is my full claim ...

show

I am a third party item detector masoned with Pershy. I find the items and he nabs them.

N1 I learned that spiesr did not have an item.
N2 I learned IB had aitems. I also received a defibrillator. I did not get a clear answer where that came from as I have no ability to take items. Of course we all now know off the magician's ability to whisker away object s and they appear elsewhere and out of his control. So that was a random but welcome surprise.
N3 I learned that Neb did not have an item. Pershy took the defib off me. I received the WT.
N4 I learned that Zimmah has an item. Pershy took the WT off me and ended with two WTs and the defib.

So ... I'a decision must be made ... I am inclined to accept Zimmah's word and ... vote Jonty.

[LSU Tiger Josh]

town is in a great position

unvote vote hippo for obviously not being town. FOS still on Jonty for previous voted reasons

[thehippo8]

EBWOP N2 I learned that IB had items. etc (typo)
And the end sentence - So ... Im of the view that a decision etc (weird accidental deletion!)

Fastposted by LSU

[LSU Tiger Josh]

so why did pershy end game but you did not

[thehippo8]

town is in a great position

unvote vote hippo for obviously not being town. FOS still on Jonty for previous voted reasons

Wow ... just dawned on me. Say obvious tyhings much LSU? Seriously??? Of course I'm not town - I'm third party. I'm also no threat to town. Your almost instantaneous vote on me is incredibly scummy.

Fos LSU

Fastposted by LSU

@ LSU re end game - you need to take that up with the mod after the game ends. My suspicion is that I am necessary for balance.

[LSU Tiger Josh]

The only way you would be "necessary" for balance would be if you were scum. In a 14 player game, with 2 3rd parties there should be no more than 4 mafia. With 5 mafia and 2 third parties town would barely have a chance so I am believing you to be against town.

[LSU Tiger Josh]

double post

your explanation fast posted me.

[thehippo8]

The only way you would be "necessary" for balance would be if you were scum. In a 14 player game, with 2 3rd parties there should be no more than 4 mafia. With 5 mafia and 2 third parties town would barely have a chance so I am believing you to be against town.

Wow, see I see it the other way around. If there is 5 mafia then one of the third parties would have to be town or there would be no balance. As they said in The Dark Knight Rises ...

One man's tool is another man's weapon