Too many Items Mafia (4/14) Endgame: I Confess

[Iron Butterfly]

I do have a question though, so before I really start investigating a lot here, I was not visited N3, but I did visit someone N3. Can a watcher only look one way, meaning can he see only who visits me and not who I visit?

A watcher can only see who visited the person he targeted.

If a Zimmah targeted you he would only know who targeted/visited YOU. A watcher will NOT be able to know if you visited anyone.

A tracker is the one that can determine who you visit. A tracker will not be able to see who visited you.

[samgrossy]

Thanks for the info IB... my noobishness still rears its ugly head every once in a while.

I just can't buy Hippos argument much yet only because I know Zim has said some things in the thread that I know to be true. But Hippo's argument is very well put together. Hmmm...

Next, whatever happened to the D4 case on jonty? does that evaporate... I don't think so. There were some very good points made. I just thought the spiesr case was better, and pushed for that one! (and was right, btw!)

Lastly, should we worry about ??? and what his third party-ness brings to the mix? The scene did indicate that the Hoarder wanted to see what else he could do. So at the most we have 3 non-town left, with one being the third party assistant. Do you guys think that's right?

[zimmah]

Thanks for the info IB... my noobishness still rears its ugly head every once in a while.

I just can't buy Hippos argument much yet only because I know Zim has said some things in the thread that I know to be true. But Hippo's argument is very well put together. Hmmm...

Next, whatever happened to the D4 case on jonty? does that evaporate... I don't think so. There were some very good points made. I just thought the spiesr case was better, and pushed for that one! (and was right, btw!)

Lastly, should we worry about ??? and what his third party-ness brings to the mix? The scene did indicate that the Hoarder wanted to see what else he could do. So at the most we have 3 non-town left, with one being the third party assistant. Do you guys think that's right?

i doubt there's 2 mafia left though.

i actually think hippos case is pretty bad, but not sure if his intentions were good. it's hard to say with hippo, as he sometimes just randomly pops up in the tread with some theories, some better than other, this is one of the bad ones, but that doesn't really automatically mean he has bad intentions. (even though if i did that, i'd probably be either lynched or forced to claim or both)

[Iron Butterfly]

I would like to know why Hippo seems to think there are two mafia left? It seems to me that Zimmah is giving Hippo a free pass because hes worried about back lash? Kinda funny. I don't understand Hippo either. Its like he took a whole handful of spaghetti and threw it against the wall to see what sticks with Zimmah. Most of it was very strong WIFOM posing as fact.

What did stand out is that Hippo calls Pershy a thief. Why would he say that? Pershy role title was a hoarder. We do not have a full understanding of Persys role so why would Hippo cal him the thief with such certainty?

Somthing else bothers me.

It seems to me that LSU is really trying to fly under the radar. He has been the whole game. hes band wagoned mafia lynches but besides that not much.

We are in Day 5. I have checked ALL his games and he has been posting in ALL his mafia games up until today. I find it very very suspicious. It will be interesting to see how quickly he posts after I....Vote LSU

[thehippo8]

Firstly, @ / - you make a fair point that my all out attack on Zimmah also amounted to a Fos on you. Something that I hadn't thought about (unintended consequence). Let me be clear, I was not Fosing you.

@ Sam, thanks for confirming the Day 1 point. As to the third party ???, you are correct. I am sure that is someone that we seriously do need to worry about. Now that his colleague has gone, goodness only knows what powers or roles he will pull (day or night). It creeps me out!

@ Zimmah, nice Cat quote! On a more serious note, I am satisfied at your response. Yes, I am well intentioned and obviously saw something in the patterns that wasn't there (like steering too much at the clouds on a sunny day). Anyway, whilst there is an outside chance you could be pulling the wool - I accept that chance is inconsequential and accordingly I will unvote. As to the question on 2 mafia left, I could well be wrong but certainly doubt there would be more than 2 left. At any rate, this is hardly a time that we can be complacent.

@ IB. Well, again, I could be wrong but how else could Pershy get the items if he didn't steal them? My reading of the events is that there was a mafia thief handing items to other mafia (hence my entire case on Zimmah was based on that premise) and I doubt that mafia would hand items to a third party? Also, and again maybe I have this wrong too, but if Pershy left the game with two WTs and a defibrilator, how could that happen if he didn't steal them? My understanding of the WTs was that the holder had to pass them on each night but why woudl the holder of a WT hand it to Pershy knowing that Pershy had the other WT? It just sounds more likely to be a thief role than anything else. There are other possibilities, of course, such as the holder of the WT did give it to Pershy, or that there was some sort of switch around (busdriven gift?) but I can't think of what else could have happened.

ANyway, I am willing to accept that I have probably looked far too deeply into all this (something I am want to do given the game is marching on and getting more complex!).

If we don't hear from LSU soon then that sounds like a valid lead.

[jonty125]

Next, whatever happened to the D4 case on jonty?

I believe it was declared void after spiser flipped scum magician, which explains why my money disappeared, and it turned into a malicious item (baseball bat)

[zimmah]

Next, whatever happened to the D4 case on jonty?

I believe it was declared void after spiser flipped scum magician, which explains why my money disappeared, and it turned into a malicious item (baseball bat)

Except for I recieved a baseball bat the same night and we have no reports on anyone getting money.

[LSU Tiger Josh]

Couple of things, as I have not been posting all over the place. Other than just sending out the roles in Alphabet I haven't been on all that often and posting much. In fact the last time I was online and checked here, NOBODY was saying anything at that point and it was even later commented on. During the week I'm at my dad's and as some of yall know his keyboard does not work anymore damn wireless keyboard so when I type I have to use the onscreen keyboard which takes forever to type and also tends to stick sometimes which is annoying as hell. If I was mafia, I wouldn't just blatantly bandwagon just lynches especially in deadline type situations of mafia mates. Work has been keeping me busy as my company is getting ready to open a casino so that is of greater importance to me.

Jonty if you and Zimmah BOTH claim to have received a baseball bat the same night then I would be inclined to believe that one of you is lying as this was the first night that two people claimed to have a bat. Seeing how Zimmah has proven to at least be a watcher(granted it could be a mafia watcher) I will Vote Jonty

[crazymilkshake5]

official vote count

zimmah-thehippo8-L3
LSU Tiger Josh-IB-L3
Jonty125-LSU-L3

[zimmah]

Couple of things, as I have not been posting all over the place. Other than just sending out the roles in Alphabet I haven't been on all that often and posting much. In fact the last time I was online and checked here, NOBODY was saying anything at that point and it was even later commented on. During the week I'm at my dad's and as some of yall know his keyboard does not work anymore damn wireless keyboard so when I type I have to use the onscreen keyboard which takes forever to type and also tends to stick sometimes which is annoying as hell. If I was mafia, I wouldn't just blatantly bandwagon just lynches especially in deadline type situations of mafia mates. Work has been keeping me busy as my company is getting ready to open a casino so that is of greater importance to me.

Jonty if you and Zimmah BOTH claim to have received a baseball bat the same night then I would be inclined to believe that one of you is lying as this was the first night that two people claimed to have a bat. Seeing how Zimmah has proven to at least be a watcher(granted it could be a mafia watcher) I will Vote Jonty

wait, when did jonty claim that? i doubt i would have missed that. if that's true that would be very scummy.

also, i am in the alphabet mafia and i do recall you postponed the start of the mafia with a few days. so your argument seems valid.

[LSU Tiger Josh]

Next, whatever happened to the D4 case on jonty?

I believe it was declared void after spiser flipped scum magician, which explains why my money disappeared, and it turned into a malicious item (baseball bat)

Except for I recieved a baseball bat the same night and we have no reports on anyone getting money.

I was going off of this.

[zimmah]

Next, whatever happened to the D4 case on jonty?

I believe it was declared void after spiser flipped scum magician, which explains why my money disappeared, and it turned into a malicious item (baseball bat)

Except for I recieved a baseball bat the same night and we have no reports on anyone getting money.

I was going off of this.

oh right, well what i meant was:

last night (night 4) two events occurred, they may be unrelated, but i think they might very well be related. (there's some WIFOM involved)

1) I recieved a baseball bat. (an item to silence people, which is a pretty scummy item)
2) The magician stole something from jonty, he claims he lost his money (power to doublevote), i don't believe that. (i believe he lost his bat, but doesn't want to say that because t would make him appear scummy).

[LSU Tiger Josh]

Ok well I'm still fine with lynching Jonty under the lynch all liars policy. Granted there was still a kill last night, but having the bat could either be a nonkilling 3rd party that is antitown or one of two possible scum.

[zimmah]

Ok well I'm still fine with lynching Jonty under the lynch all liars policy. Granted there was still a kill last night, but having the bat could either be a nonkilling 3rd party that is antitown or one of two possible scum.

note that having the bat does not alter your role. for example, i'm a watcher, but i recieved the bat later on. i can use (or chose not to use) the bat, and still use my role regardless.

i assume the bat was originally n the hands of 3rd party or mafia, and it could have been passed on to some townie later on before it reached me, however the fact that noone stated to have it before me, together with the fact that jonty keeps saying he never had it, make me suspicious of jonty. it seems to me he has something to hide.

also. since i don't believe i need an item to be watcher. (i was not told i had an item at the start of the game), so for that reason, i would expect a doublevoter to have no item either. off course i still don't have any proof, but i think we hardly have any better leads, do we?

[zimmah]

in jonty's defense however, noone counterclaimed him, which is weird.

[jonty125]

Ok well I'm still fine with lynching Jonty under the lynch all liars policy. Granted there was still a kill last night, but having the bat could either be a nonkilling 3rd party that is antitown or one of two possible scum.

I haven't lied. I did have money, to doublevote. I pointed out the use of the vote, nobody said that was me you scumdog. The two events between me and zimmah could be unrelated. And I never claimed to have the bat.

[Iron Butterfly]

Next, whatever happened to the D4 case on jonty?

I believe it was declared void after spiser flipped scum magician, which explains why my money disappeared, and it turned into a malicious item (baseball bat)

OK I think this is the post that is confusing some people. I know I am confused.

Jonty are you saying you have the base ball bat? Please clarify.

[zimmah]

the baseball bat was there before i announced it, someone did get silenced.

[jonty125]

Jonty are you saying you have the base ball bat? Please clarify.

No, I have never had it in the entire game.

[samgrossy]

On vaca for a w eek... limited posting ability. But I am now confused about the Jonty case. Can someone lay it out a little more clearly?

[Iron Butterfly]

On vaca for a w eek... limited posting ability. But I am now confused about the Jonty case. Can someone lay it out a little more clearly?

LSU has his vote on Jonty so I would like to hear it from him.

[LSU Tiger Josh]

As was pointed out the night that Jonty claimed his "money" disappeared" the baseball bat "appeared". During previous "movements" at night items seemed to reappear the very next day with the WT. Jonty was one of the two under the gun yesterday and I'm continuing that vote until someone claims they received "money" to "buy" a second" vote. From what I can tell town only has passive powers left that can not be taken so the money seems a bit off to me.

[jonty125]

As was pointed out the night that Jonty claimed his "money" disappeared" the baseball bat "appeared". During previous "movements" at night items seemed to reappear the very next day with the WT. Jonty was one of the two under the gun yesterday and I'm continuing that vote until someone claims they received "money" to "buy" a second" vote. From what I can tell town only has passive powers left that can not be taken so the money seems a bit off to me.

Your case against me is that a) the money hasn't turned up and b) town have only passive powers left. Well part a) he was a MAFIA magician, he could have turned the money into or a bat. OR the 2 events COULD be completely unrelated. And part B is just rubbish, saying I'm scum, because my ability is not passive.

vote LSU mostly for Part B

[thehippo8]

Wouldn't it be all too convenient for mafia if town imploded and we all started attacking oursevles at this juncture?

Are Jonty and LSU on opposite sides or are they BOTH well meaning and misunderstanding? Was there really confusion? Was IB really simply seeking clarification or does he know somehting more? Why has Sam disappeared at such a crucial moment? Is Zimmah really supporting Jonty and does that mean that he is against LSU? But most importantly, where is /?

So, for now, and until / shows up again, I left marvelling at this post and this post. Again, I don't want to look too deeply into all this but ... I get weird vibes. Worse, I sense town floundering here and we need to take stock. It's easy to get tired and complacent.

All in all, my head hurts!

[jonty125]

Wouldn't it be all too convenient for mafia if town imploded and we all started attacking oursevles at this juncture?

Are Jonty and LSU on opposite sides or are they BOTH well meaning and misunderstanding? Was there really confusion? Was IB really simply seeking clarification or does he know somehting more? Why has Sam disappeared at such a crucial moment? Is Zimmah really supporting Jonty and does that mean that he is against LSU? But most importantly, where is /?

This isn't the Cold War, or global politics where my enemy's enemy is my friend

So, for now, and until / shows up again, I left marvelling at this post and this post. Again, I don't want to look too deeply into all this but ... I get weird vibes. Worse, I sense town floundering here and we need to take stock. It's easy to get tired and complacent.

I don't see anything malicious in either of those posts, just / been /.