USA 2.1 [10 Mar 2013] Beta Baby!!

by **isaiah40** on Thu Aug 02, 2012 8:34 am

sannemanrobinson wrote:As there are no superbonuses why stick to the common colours? Alaska could be light blue and Hawai ocean blue for example.

No no superbonuses, but I need them broken up still for the "Hold all Capitals for X" bonus

by **iancanton** on Sat Aug 04, 2012 6:20 am

koontz1973 wrote:D.C. a 5 neutral but a +3 auto

this is well worth considering. at present, killing 5 neutrals for +1 auto isn't worth it and, since dc isn't part of any other bonuses, it seems destined to be ignored unless we increase its attractiveness.

iancanton wrote:
nolefan5311 wrote:In the legend I think D.C. needs to list what regions assault it. As is, it looks like its just placed on top of the interstate, and not necessarily in the assault path. You might also make it border both Annapolis and Richmond.

dc currently borders baltimore and richmond. a further connection to annapolis is logical because of its proximity.

the road from annapolis to dc is still missing. adding it will give more ways to reach dc.

the bonuses for alaska and montana look as if they ought to be reduced to +2 and +3 respectively; although they sort of border each other, this is only a half-border, since it's thru a killer neutral.

wyoming can easily go from +3 bonus to +2 because all four cities are on interstates, which gives plenty of potential for the interstate +3 bonuses.

perhaps n4 instead of n5 is better for the state capitals, so that the capital bonus comes into play a bit earlier?

ian.

by **ask me2** on Sun Aug 05, 2012 6:18 pm

The proportions are way off Texas and Alaska are way bigger than California.

by **Nola_Lifer** on Sun Aug 05, 2012 6:52 pm

Pretty sure Louisiana is in the Southeast and not Southwest

by **isaiah40** on Sun Aug 05, 2012 7:29 pm

ask me2 wrote:The proportions are way off Texas and Alaska are way bigger than California.

Yes they are. If I had to do the map in proportions - within CC's size restrictions - it would look something like this:

Click image to enlarge.

Nola_Lifer wrote:Pretty sure Louisiana is in the Southeast and not Southwest

That is somewhat correct, and Delaware is not part of the Great Lakes either. Things are out of proportion, in different regions for gameplay reasons, and also to adhere closely to the USA map packs.

by **kmhebert** on Wed Aug 08, 2012 10:04 am

Hartford and Boston need airports.

by **AndyDufresne** on Wed Aug 08, 2012 10:09 am

kmhebert wrote:Hartford and Boston need airports.

I think Isaiah just intends to keep it at 1 per bonus zone (save the West which has 2 special cases).

--Andy

by **crazymilkshake5** on Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:12 am

looks as if MT is missing a territ from the original. Glendive which connects to parshall and Billings.

salem might need to connect with Burns (it does in the orginal.)

by **isaiah40** on Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:16 am

AndyDufresne wrote:
kmhebert wrote:Hartford and Boston need airports.

I think Isaiah just intends to keep it at 1 per bonus zone (save the West which has 2 special cases).

--Andy

This is true. I used the largest airports in each region. It was a toss up as to which was the largest airport between Los Angeles and San Francisco, so I choose San Francisco for the cross map airport.

by **sportsgod24** on Thu Aug 09, 2012 11:27 am

You left the 16th biggest city in the country with a population of 750,000 off the map. Add Fort Worth or I cannot take it seriously.

by **isaiah40** on Thu Aug 09, 2012 11:33 am

sportsgod24 wrote:You left the 16th biggest city in the country with a population of 750,000 off the map. Add Fort Worth or I cannot take it seriously.

How about I rename Dallas to DFW? Would that satisfy you?

by **AndyDufresne** on Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:01 pm

Thumbs up, do it.

--Andy

by **The Bison King** on Thu Aug 09, 2012 6:42 pm

kind of surprised this is going to the forge. The graphics could be so much better. The states could at least be in the right shapes. Yada yada yada I know I've said it all before.

by **cairnswk** on Thu Aug 09, 2012 6:44 pm

The Bison King wrote:kind of surprised this is going to the forge...

i think this is still in gameplay isn't it? hasn't been stamped on front page for GP!
so graphic-wise, i know isaiah40 will do much better than this.

by **nolefan5311** on Thu Aug 09, 2012 11:03 pm

cairnswk wrote:
The Bison King wrote:kind of surprised this is going to the forge...

i think this is still in gameplay isn't it? hasn't been stamped on front page for GP!
so graphic-wise, i know isaiah40 will do much better than this.

cairns is correct. This is currently stickied for the GP stamp.

by **isaiah40** on Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:02 am

crazymilkshake5 wrote:looks as if MT is missing a territ from the original. Glendive which connects to parshall and Billings.
salem might need to connect with Burns (it does in the orginal.)

Glendive was remove per iancanton's suggestion, as for Salem to Burns, that connection is now Medford to Burns.

The Bison King wrote:kind of surprised this is going to the forge. The graphics could be so much better. The states could at least be in the right shapes. Yada yada yada I know I've said it all before.

Cairns and nolefan area correct, this is still in GP, and I know you've said it before, and as I have said before, if it doesn't pertain to gameplay clarity, it can wait until graphics.

by **mr_chopper** on Sat Aug 11, 2012 4:26 am

If it is alright, I will start a tourney with this map and gather info for you from the participants!

by **nolefan5311** on Sat Aug 11, 2012 3:45 pm

mr_chopper wrote:If it is alright, I will start a tourney with this map and gather info for you from the participants!

Your tourney will not start for quite a while, as this still has some time to go before it will be released into Beta.

by **charmir** on Mon Aug 13, 2012 9:07 am

nolefan5311 wrote:
mr_chopper wrote:If it is alright, I will start a tourney with this map and gather info for you from the participants!

Your tourney will not start for quite a while, as this still has some time to go before it will be released into Beta.

Lets start it now. This is more than good enough for me.

But as for game play which the thing on the home page says you want, this looks OK to me. But one question, why does Hawaii only have one way in or out and Alaska have two? Hawaii has one extra region to take but it is only a +2 to a +4. Should these be a bit closes together. Maybe add another connection to Hawaii and both be +4 or just make Alaska a +3.

by **Nola_Lifer** on Mon Aug 13, 2012 11:34 am

I can't see the map still.

by **ViperOverLord** on Mon Aug 13, 2012 9:15 pm

It's much harder to see the state lines than in earlier versions.

by **isaiah40** on Mon Aug 13, 2012 9:25 pm

Nola_Lifer wrote:I can't see the map still.

Clear your cache and try again.

ViperOverLord wrote:It's much harder to see the state lines than in earlier versions.

I will be working on them while in graphics.

I think I got everything now! 8-[

Click image to enlarge.

by **iancanton** on Fri Aug 24, 2012 1:29 am

a progress report while i'm midway through checking bonuses. states that have a yellow airport appear to be undervalued by about 2 troops. my gut feel is that very large states, such as california, texas and florida, will be rarely attempted unless their bonuses are increased, simply because higher-paying combined bonuses, such as state plus highway, are available for the same number of cities held. more after i've completed my analysis of bonuses!

ian.

by **RjBeals** on Fri Aug 24, 2012 7:30 am

any reason you chose green, yellow and blue for the colors? Wouldn't red/white/blue be more fitting?

by **iancanton** on Thu Aug 30, 2012 1:53 am

what a good job u've made of the state bonuses! 90% of them are good as is, which is some achievement on a map of this size and complexity.

as mentioned before, the large states with yellow airports will need bigger bonuses to compensate for both their vulnerability to attack and the delay in actually starting to pay out: +9 instead of +6 for california, +8 instead of +5 for texas, +5 instead of +3 for illinois, +7 instead of +5 for new york and +6 instead of +5 for georgia.

the corner location of florida just about compensates for the large number of cities that it has, so we can leave it at +4. for dc, +2 auto-deploy instead of +3 is probably more balanced, since it's initially accessible only from baltimore and will almost certainly form part of a strategy that combines dc with i-95.

for the bonuses that involve state capitals, perhaps include the star symbol to make it clear that dc doesn't count.

the road from plattsburgh to burlington has somehow gone through canada. straighten out the border to fix this.

ian.

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