Too many Items Mafia (4/14) Endgame: I Confess

[zimmah]

yay, day finaly.

anyway, i recieved a baseball bat tonight, i will not use it as i don't think it's beneficial to town. I don't know for what reason i received it. but i can use to to silence someone, if i chose to silence someone, he won't be able to post the next day, except for 4 posts. next to that i also have my own role.

by the power of my previous role, which i will not claim right now, i have some info on someone, and therefore, i will ask a question to /. refusal to answer or if i get the idea you're lying will definitely result into a vote from me, and likely the rest of town too. so answer this wisely. as that would imply you are covering the one i have information on, and by extension yourself.

/ did you recieve any item on night 1?

Not that I am aware of.

anything else happened that night that may be of importance?

[/]

yay, day finaly.

anyway, i recieved a baseball bat tonight, i will not use it as i don't think it's beneficial to town. I don't know for what reason i received it. but i can use to to silence someone, if i chose to silence someone, he won't be able to post the next day, except for 4 posts. next to that i also have my own role.

by the power of my previous role, which i will not claim right now, i have some info on someone, and therefore, i will ask a question to /. refusal to answer or if i get the idea you're lying will definitely result into a vote from me, and likely the rest of town too. so answer this wisely. as that would imply you are covering the one i have information on, and by extension yourself.

/ did you recieve any item on night 1?

Not that I am aware of.

anything else happened that night that may be of importance?

Well, I targeted you with a certain action that crazy misinterpreted as a cop investigation, other than that, I have no special info of that night.

[crazymilkshake5]

also CMS, maybe it helps if you change the title to day 4.

done

[zimmah]

well, that makes sense, i thought i had something, but i'm not sure how it all fits together yet. i have no reason not to believe your claims, so that pretty much clears you.

thanks for your cooperation.

let's see if anyone else found something useful this night. if we tie together the clues from night 1 and last night, we may be able to find who the thief and or the ax wielder are.

[pershy]

Woah!
That makes no sense to me yet, but hopefully it will. At least Zim trusts /.
I trusted / a while ago and Zim too for that matter. Trouble is I trust everyone. I thought Epi was in the clear when I found nothing on him so shows what I know. I still trust IB - as he gunned hard for Vodean when we communicated bia WT.
I checked someone out and found a seemingly innocent item on their person so I trust them. In fact, the item would suggest that they're the doc so I don't think I'll be revealing their identity just yet. Hopefully this will narrow down the search a bit as I look into the ones that are left.

[zimmah]

Woah!
That makes no sense to me yet, but hopefully it will. At least Zim trusts /.
I trusted / a while ago and Zim too for that matter. Trouble is I trust everyone. I thought Epi was in the clear when I found nothing on him so shows what I know. I still trust IB - as he gunned hard for Vodean when we communicated bia WT.
I checked someone out and found a seemingly innocent item on their person so I trust them. In fact, the item would suggest that they're the doc so I don't think I'll be revealing their identity just yet. Hopefully this will narrow down the search a bit as I look into the ones that are left.

well, that makes me remember something odd i noticed a while ago, let me see where it was again.

I've taken (name censored) spot. I had the walkie talkie day 1. Lost it n1. I've had nothing since...shocker.

also, we all know who he replaces.

[spiesr]

Okay, so I was out of town for the end of Day 3, but I am back now.

anyway, i recieved a baseball bat tonight, i will not use it as i don't think it's beneficial to town. I don't know for what reason i received it. but i can use to to silence someone, if i chose to silence someone, he won't be able to post the next day, except for 4 posts. next to that i also have my own role.

When exactly did you receive this item? It sounds like what Iron Butterfly says happened to him. If we assume that this item belonged to scum before you had it we might be able to get a lead out of this, but we need to know exactly when you got it.

I already said, not having an item is weird for this game, if you are nothing, we don't lose much by lynching you, if you are a the thief, (who based on the scene info we have also gives town items away to scum, probably not by using an item of his own) we have much to gain by lynching you.

Wow / ... that's interesting and fits on the day one statements from the mod. You are right, if he is the thief who gives items away then he is dangerous indeed. I agree ...

let's see if anyone else found something useful this night. if we tie together the clues from night 1 and last night, we may be able to find who the thief and or the ax wielder are.

Did you guys all forget about this part?

Color is not alignment, nothing of use is shown in lynch scenes.

I thought we already established that stuff in the scene was not representative of actual events.

[zimmah]

I recieved the bat at he end of the night, probably after the attack, but before daybreak.

The events in the scenes are very likely to have a meaning, in fact. This night, someone was attacked by someone with an axe, and saved by the doctor, this may be the same axe that has been stolen ( likely from an NPC on night 0) and used to kill someone night 1. It's likely the thief is scum and the axe may still belong to the same person, either way it belongs to scum.

I don't really understand the part about a man walking and being watched though. It may be important, but I don't know.

[Iron Butterfly]

The question I have is, If the scenes are not representational of what has happened at least to some extent, why bother having them?

The scene is clear cut in that it shows a person with an axe trying to kill someone, a doc makes a save and no one dies at night.
I mean which is it? You cant say dont read anything into the scenes and then write a night scene like this and not expect6 players to draw conclusions from it.

[crazymilkshake5]

Color is not alignment, nothing of use is shown in lynch scenes.

Thought id help

[LSU Tiger Josh]

Bat is definitely an anti-town object and should not be used.

IB the night action scenes are hints at what is happening during the game. The lynches are just for show.

[spiesr]

I recieved the bat at he end of the night, probably after the attack, but before daybreak.

Alright, then I think I have a lead we can work with. I am going to have to role-claim to explain it though.
I am a magician. I have the power (which is not derived from an item) to make someone's item "disappear." I was not told what happens to said item when I do this, but I think I have been able to figure it out from the information I have heard.
Night 1 I targeted Yomiel. Night 2 Shield. Night 3 Jonty.
Based on info regarding Yomiel's walkie talkie, specifically how Iron Butterfly/Perhsy received it the day immediately following the night I made it "disappear", I think that items I make "disappear" are simply reassigned to another player. If this is the case, then there is, in my opinion, a strong chance that the bat which Zimmah received belonged to Jonty. Now, if we think the the bat (which zimmah says is used to silence people) was a scum item then it stands to reason the Jonty is probably scum.
So, I'll throw out a my Vote Jonty. While I am at it I will also toss an FOS over to samgrossy on the off chance that my depowering of shield has some sort of connection to the absences of kills beginning night 2.

[samgrossy]

well, that makes sense, i thought i had something, but i'm not sure how it all fits together yet. i have no reason not to believe your claims, so that pretty much clears you.

thanks for your cooperation.

let's see if anyone else found something useful this night. if we tie together the clues from night 1 and last night, we may be able to find who the thief and or the ax wielder are.

I'd like to know what Zim is trying to get at...

And pershy, what are you meaning here?

Woah!
That makes no sense to me yet, but hopefully it will. At least Zim trusts /.
I trusted / a while ago and Zim too for that matter. Trouble is I trust everyone. I thought Epi was in the clear when I found nothing on him so shows what I know. I still trust IB - as he gunned hard for Vodean when we communicated bia WT.
I checked someone out and found a seemingly innocent item on their person so I trust them. In fact, the item would suggest that they're the doc so I don't think I'll be revealing their identity just yet. Hopefully this will narrow down the search a bit as I look into the ones that are left.

[Iron Butterfly]

Color is not alignment, nothing of use is shown in lynch scenes.

Thought id help

DUH...thanks

[jonty125]

I recieved the bat at he end of the night, probably after the attack, but before daybreak.

Alright, then I think I have a lead we can work with. I am going to have to role-claim to explain it though.
I am a magician. I have the power (which is not derived from an item) to make someone's item "disappear." I was not told what happens to said item when I do this, but I think I have been able to figure it out from the information I have heard.
Night 1 I targeted Yomiel. Night 2 Shield. Night 3 Jonty.
Based on info regarding Yomiel's walkie talkie, specifically how Iron Butterfly/Perhsy received it the day immediately following the night I made it "disappear", I think that items I make "disappear" are simply reassigned to another player. If this is the case, then there is, in my opinion, a strong chance that the bat which Zimmah received belonged to Jonty. Now, if we think the the bat (which zimmah says is used to silence people) was a scum item then it stands to reason the Jonty is probably scum.
So, I'll throw out a my Vote Jonty. While I am at it I will also toss an FOS over to samgrossy on the off chance that my depowering of shield has some sort of connection to the absences of kills beginning night 2.

Yep, you made my money disappear. I was a town double voter, who bribed the mod to give me a second vote. But now I'm a VT, with nothing.

[zimmah]

I recieved the bat at he end of the night, probably after the attack, but before daybreak.

Alright, then I think I have a lead we can work with. I am going to have to role-claim to explain it though.
I am a magician. I have the power (which is not derived from an item) to make someone's item "disappear." I was not told what happens to said item when I do this, but I think I have been able to figure it out from the information I have heard.
Night 1 I targeted Yomiel. Night 2 Shield. Night 3 Jonty.
Based on info regarding Yomiel's walkie talkie, specifically how Iron Butterfly/Perhsy received it the day immediately following the night I made it "disappear", I think that items I make "disappear" are simply reassigned to another player. If this is the case, then there is, in my opinion, a strong chance that the bat which Zimmah received belonged to Jonty. Now, if we think the the bat (which zimmah says is used to silence people) was a scum item then it stands to reason the Jonty is probably scum.
So, I'll throw out a my Vote Jonty. While I am at it I will also toss an FOS over to samgrossy on the off chance that my depowering of shield has some sort of connection to the absences of kills beginning night 2.

Yep, you made my money disappear. I was a town double voter, who bribed the mod to give me a second vote. But now I'm a VT, with nothing.

So you are trying to tell us that yomiel lost his WT the same night that he was targeted by the magician, and the day (or end of night, it should be noted that I got my bat during the night, before the murder scene, but the title said it was already day 4, so it's either the start of the day or the end of the night.) after you missed your item, I recieve a bat, which is an anti town item.

Then if you're telling the truth, why didn't I recieve money, and why did i recieve a bat.

Also, i have reasons to believe Sam may be scum as well, judging by the night scene, but I can't back it up yet.

vote jonty

[jonty125]

Then if you're telling the truth, why didn't I recieve money, and why did i recieve a bat.

No idea, I ain't a magician.

[samgrossy]

if no one has anything, I'm thinking epitath can take some pressure, day one he repeatedly dismissed the discussion on vodean and yomiel as silly, the shifted focus to happyfeet, a townie who we lynched, then last day phase he drops off completely, letting the clock slowly run down without saying anything, then after vode claims, he finally speaks up... to point us at shield.

I'm with hippo on this one. We have a claim that we can monitor for now, so why not put some pressure on someone else while we still have time? We don't need to rush into the night and if we don't get anywhere with another case, vodeon will get lynched at the end of the day anyway.

Vote SG7

Vote Epitath1

This is a good start for some pressure. VOTE EPITAPH1

Now, Epitaph has already confirmed that he has no item (at least at the present). While there may be more information that he has withheld thus far, I get the feeling that there won't be much more to his "claim." As such, I have to ask what are your exact goals with this "pressure." Where you hoping for a role claim, or are you ready to head straight to the lynch?

Also, Spiesr...who has the other WT?

I believe, but of course can't be 100% certain, that it is Pershy.

We all know that Epitaph1 was mafia. I think this is a case of a mafia deflection after putting some pressure on Epi to claim. I am willing my vote on SPIESR

[samgrossy]

We seem to be missing shield, dazza and IB, the later likely because of a PR...
Hm, upon reading back, actually I do think vodean is acting scummy.

does anyone have any objections for the lynch? / has voiced some, but still seems pro. if im gonna be hammering, i dont want to come under a ton of scrutiny unless people are actually in support. lets be sure before we do this.

this seems odd, why is it so important to not come under scrutiny? The only ones who NEED to look town under all circumstances are scum. it seems like trying to play off the blame on someone else.

honestly, i dont see too much in the spiesr case... the main points are that he used WIFOM that may be invalid, and he tried to get others to discuss... doesn't seem to scummy to me. in fact, to push so hard against him seems scummier than anything. unvote vote hippo

And this, OMGUSing for spiesr upon the hippo's case, could be buddying tactic, or something more, why do you object to it so strongly?

With all that happened yesterday concerning vode, we could probably devise some further info from this case no matter how it turns out.
Vote vode

To support my accusation, I have made some notes. This was one of the good ones. The above quote shows that Vodean was deflecting any pressure on Spiesr.

[samgrossy]

I think it's smarter to just kill him. If he's telling the truth, why wouldn't the Mafia do so anyway? They would never let such a role live unblocked, and that makes his early claim all the more suspicious. None of us really had any reason for voting him. He could have pointed that out, but he instead claims a highly-suspicious role?

I don't exactly agree with your logic about how we should lynch him because he will die if he is telling the truth anyway.
That said, at this point he is getting lynched no matter what.

Here's another deflection of Spiesr to vote vodean.

[samgrossy]

unvote vote spiesr because you were the last one to post

We are currently crawling towards actual discussion. It would be nice if you would join us and contribute in a meaningful way instead of just continuing to make jokes.

Unvote vote spiesr ... jokevote stage is designed to bring out scumminess. Jokevote stage is officially over (for me anyway). That was one of the scummiest comments I've seen in a long time. Defensive, unnecessary, finger-pointy, pious, rediculous, smarmy, high-flalutent, finger-pointing, obfuscatory, all round scummy. The Vodean and Ymiel stuff is fluff but your response is scum on the nose. You want discussion? Discuss!

And while this is a bit weaker, here is an accusation from Hippo about some scummy D1 Activity.

While he voted for Vodean the first day, and even applied a little pressure, I think that is a clear case of bussing, knowing that the pressure could shift in a heart beat to just about anyone.

When the pressure was really on Vodean, he never voted at all for him, or for anyone that I could see. Although the vote counts were edited by the Mod so I am not sure what the record was.

What say you?

[pershy]

Well Sam's arguments are good but I'm also of the opinion that he and jonty are probably scum. If we're right about jonty then Sam's protecting him and putting the pressure on others will come into question.

Vote jonty

[zimmah]

actually, i have taken a look at what info i have, and it leads me to believe sam is more likely innocent than scum. so let's assume for now he is innocent.

[samgrossy]

who has the WTs now? Were they "magicked" away last night?

[zimmah]

who has the WTs now? Were they "magicked" away last night?

why is this even important?

and i assume not, because the bat was magicked away. however i believe one of the two owners must give theirs away. i don't see what is so important about it anyway, since we already have a great lead on jonty.