Rolegift Mafia 2 Endgame: Give 'til it Hurts

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/, can you prod or replace Milkshake, please? Can you also extend the deadline so it won't fall in the weekend?

Prodding milkshake, will replace if he isn't here by.... let's say Friday, because I'm quite busy today and tomorrow.
I'll extend the deadline to monday

and before anything starts up,

@ sound next time you cool off, maybe don't fastpost yourself
@ yomiel, if it bothers crazy, please try to remember to call him "he" from now on
No more talking about this, full stop. Play the game, other than my polite corrections, none of this ever happened, got it? Good, drop it or PM me.

[spiesr]

We may have leads. The busdriver-gifter could provide a lead potentially. Same for the daytalk-gifter (Milkshake, possibly). Tails may have watched Jonty or at least found information that conflicts claims. We just really need more activity so we are sure whether those potential leads are going to happen or whether we'll have to look through different means.

And the mechanics on the Jonty fishing rod are important too. Did you get to choose who you'd steal an item from or was it just handed to you like Jak's? Or did you pick a player and steal all items they had (which happened to be only 1 - the watcher)? Or am I completely wrong and it's something totally different?

Sorry for the low activity, I am waiting for these things that we need to get. I can confirm that I can't provide any of these leads.
My rolecop action revealed the owner of the surviving cop gifter. Do I need to reveal his identity?
Any to Yomiel, if you want to speed things up around here this is what you need to do. We won't be lynching anyone before we get this info unless the deadline forces us to. What you can do in the meantime is look through the posts so far and make a well researched case on someone. That way if this info does not produce any solid leads we will at least have something to go off of right away. (Voting for crazy based on his inactivity does not count as a "case.")

[Yomiel]

A whole day and no progress at all, nor any updates.@_@ I'm still suggesting we vote for Crazy. Is there anyone else who has neglected to tell us what we asked?

[Yomiel]

There is nothing.@_@ I've looked. I've been keeping very detailed notes. Right now, Crazy is the only one acting suspicious at all, from what I can see. It's not just inactivity. Even when here, Crazy neglects to give the info and even gave wrong info. Like I said, I believe this is deliberate. You may not think it's much, but no one else seems to have anything better.

[jak111]

There is nothing.@_@ I've looked. I've been keeping very detailed notes. Right now, Crazy is the only one acting suspicious at all, from what I can see. It's not just inactivity. Even when here, Crazy neglects to give the info and even gave wrong info. Like I said, I believe this is deliberate. You may not think it's much, but no one else seems to have anything better.

Could you copy and paste your detailed notes? Thanks.

[Yomiel]

The exact copy of my notes are mine until the end of the game. Can't let the Mafia see them.>_> They also contain stuff I don't want anyone seeing. Can't be too careful.

And they're really long.

[Campin_Killer]

...put it in a spoiler...

Your constant evasion of people's question and requests is rediculous. I believe my vote is on you anyways, but still,

Vote Yomeil to be sure

[Yomiel]

Except I haven't done what you claim at all.>_>; My vote may be switching to you in the near future.

[Yomiel]

And hasn't Crazy been doing the exact thing you claim to be voting for, for much longer?>_>;

[Yomiel]

*voting me for

[Campin_Killer]

He said his internet is having troubles. I won't vote people if they have RL issues.

And you are by refusing to post your "notes" (if they even exist).

[thechuck51]

My rolecop action revealed the owner of the surviving cop gifter. Do I need to reveal his identity?

I think it depends on if we can determine the sanity of the cop role. If it is paranoid then it is useless but it could be insane which could still make it useful.

fastposted by the odd couple

[Yomiel]

Crazy said he was having internet troubles LONG AFTER the fact, and he wasn't having them when he first neglected to post what we asked. Then he was on for quite a while, and yet he still did not post what we wanted to know and pretended to misunderstand, even though we said over and over what we wanted. Even when it was all we could talk about and holding up the Day, his posts still did not answer us.

I thought there were more than one other gifters out there?

[jak111]

Except I haven't done what you claim at all.>_>; My vote may be switching to you in the near future.

Then you might as well put it on me as well Yomiel. Unvote if needed, Vote Yomiel

For evasion of questions.

[Yomiel]

I didn't evade any questions. What are you talking about?-.- This bandwagoning for no reason is getting pretty old. I have a pretty useful item, so you're making a mistake.

[thechuck51]

Lynching yomiel could give us info on two players. I believe that the cop role campin received is the same one that PCM used day 1. This will be our last chance to gain any info from this gift. We know the gift is either sane or insane. If we lynch yomiel and she flips mafia it would clear jak (town from night 1). If she flips town, jak becomes a prime suspect.

[Yomiel]

As irritated as I am with Jak right now, I don't see how that works. Who said he was Town and why is that dependent on me?

Also, this is Campin we are dealing with here. I knew he'd be trying to get me lynched before the Day even started.

[spiesr]

Lynching yomiel could give us info on two players. I believe that the cop role campin received is the same one that PCM used day 1. This will be our last chance to gain any info from this gift. We know the gift is either sane or insane. If we lynch yomiel and she flips mafia it would clear jak (town from night 1). If she flips town, jak becomes a prime suspect.

You think that LSU sent his gift to campin before his death? I had been operating under the assumption that campin had received the one the Yomiel got last time. However, I you are sure, or at least as confident as you can be, about this then I agree that lynching Yomiel is probably worth a shot to test that gift. Since the other one wasn't sane (barring busdriver or framer) then hopefully this one would be.

As irritated as I am with Jak right now, I don't see how that works. Who said he was Town and why is that dependent on me?

Jak was invested by Pancake Night 1 using LSU's gift and he came up as town. If chuck's theory is correct then last night Campin used the same gift to investigate you and you came up scum. (If your own notes don't have all of this listed then they are deeply flawed.) If the same gift was used for both of those investigations then your alignment is linked to Jak's. I see two potential ways that particular gift could work. It is either sane (most likely option) in which case you are scum and Jak is town, or it could just be random (unlikely but not impossible). Since the other gift was wrong about it's result that would seem to increase the odds of this one being sane. (The only worry to this would be if a busdriver or framer effected the result of one of the gifts.)

[Yomiel]

When I suggested killing the person Pancake investigated, which is the only SURE way to find out the accuracy of that gift, you were all against it.-.- Lynching me will prove nothing, because you have no idea which gift Campin has, or if he is telling the truth. If he's Mafia, he could be stirring up a long-lasting trouble.

Why not vote Jak? You KNOW he was investigated with Pancake's gift. You only theorize I was investigated by the one he had, so in the end, the result of my lynch would be useless. Also, I have a very useful gift, and it would be a shame to lose it.

[spiesr]

When I suggested killing the person Pancake investigated, which is the only SURE way to find out the accuracy of that gift, you were all against it.-.- Lynching me will prove nothing, because you have no idea which gift Campin has, or if he is telling the truth. If he's Mafia, he could be stirring up a long-lasting trouble.

Why not vote Jak? You KNOW he was investigated with Pancake's gift. You only theorize I was investigated by the one he had, so in the end, the result of my lynch would be useless. Also, I have a very useful gift, and it would be a shame to lose it.

There is at least one person alive who knows which gift was which. Why vote not Jak? If we suspect the gift to have been sane it makes more sense to go after the scum result than the town one. (Duh)

[thechuck51]

Lynching yomiel could give us info on two players. I believe that the cop role campin received is the same one that PCM used day 1. This will be our last chance to gain any info from this gift. We know the gift is either sane or insane. If we lynch yomiel and she flips mafia it would clear jak (town from night 1). If she flips town, jak becomes a prime suspect.

You think that LSU sent his gift to campin before his death? I had been operating under the assumption that campin had received the one the Yomiel got last time. However, I you are sure, or at least as confident as you can be, about this then I agree that lynching Yomiel is probably worth a shot to test that gift. Since the other one wasn't sane (barring busdriver or framer) then hopefully this one would be.

As irritated as I am with Jak right now, I don't see how that works. Who said he was Town and why is that dependent on me?

Jak was invested by Pancake Night 1 using LSU's gift and he came up as town. If chuck's theory is correct then last night Campin used the same gift to investigate you and you came up scum. (If your own notes don't have all of this listed then they are deeply flawed.) If the same gift was used for both of those investigations then your alignment is linked to Jak's. I see two potential ways that particular gift could work. It is either sane (most likely option) in which case you are scum and Jak is town, or it could just be random (unlikely but not impossible). Since the other gift was wrong about it's result that would seem to increase the odds of this one being sane. (The only worry to this would be if a busdriver or framer effected the result of one of the gifts.)

I am confident that the cop gift given to yomiel is not the same as the one given to campin.

fastposted by Yomiel

This is our last chance to determine anything from LSU's gift.

fastposted by spiesr

[Yomiel]

Are you not listening? The THEORY is that the gift Campin has is the same one Pancake had. This is nothing but a theory. We KNOW that Jak was investigated with the gift Pancake had. Killing me costs a valuable gift and proves nothing. You had no idea who gave Campin his gift or how reliable it is. It could just as easily be the same gift I had. If you want to know about the gift Pancake had, the only way is to deal with the person that you KNOW he investigated.

[spiesr]

Are you not listening? The THEORY is that the gift Campin has is the same one Pancake had. This is nothing but a theory. We KNOW that Jak was investigated with the gift Pancake had. Killing me costs a valuable gift and proves nothing. You had no idea who gave Campin his gift or how reliable it is. It could just as easily be the same gift I had. If you want to know about the gift Pancake had, the only way is to deal with the person that you KNOW he investigated.

Here is a solution. You'll note that I haven't voted for you yet. I know who the gifter of one of the cop gifts is. I will sit back and wait to see if this person agrees with this theory. (They will know which gift campin got.) At some unspecified point after I see they agree with it I will announce that the theory is confirmed. So we just need a bunch of people to drop by and say yay or nay on the theory.

[Yomiel]

That's not a solution. I've counted more than just two Cop roles, and what I said still goes. Plus, we have no reason to believe you or them. Either one of you could be Mafia. If you believed Pancake, then the obvious solution is to kill Jak. Killing me instead does not answer anything about the gift, and without my gift... I've done a pretty good job protecting the Town so far.

[Yomiel]

Personally, I like my vote choice of Crazy better than me or Jak, but if you're determined to try and get more info on the Cop gift Pancake had, Jak is the better choice. At this point, I think that's pretty futile. Even if an investigation turns out to be right, aren't there some Cop roles on this site that are right part of the time? And like I've pointed out, we have no way of knowing what gift was used or if there was even a gift at all. For all you know, Campin is Mafia. Heck, even Pancake could be Mafia. Wouldn't that be something? Trying to prove a power that never existed?O_o You can't blindly trust anyone.