Too many Items Mafia (4/14) Endgame: I Confess

[Yomiel]

You made the initial claim and many of the false claims about how the item works. Pershy backed Iron's story, but he didn't really make the same claims the two of you did, so you two stand out as the more suspicious.

I stated that saying you had the item was against the rules. You're just nitpicking, since we all know what generally happens to those that break said rules.

You do not have the item, and you never did. Neither did Iron, and I doubt Pershy did either. No idea why you lied to such an extent, but I still suspect it was to get me lynched.

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However, it appears that Epitaph's original lengthy response was accepted, and I didn't have a problem with that at the time. My view is that / doesn't have a case on Epitaph now.

That's not correct, my vote and case is still on epitaph, it's simply that he hasn't yet responded to my last rebuttal.

My my, letting the subject change in the middle of an argument, then letting it play out until everyone forgot what we were talking about. That compounded with the fact you still aren't on any case, MORE FOS ON EPI

I also agree with the assessment that the case on yomiel, and yomiel’s case on the others with a walkie talkie is not a case. The mod claimed there are no role inconstancies, but I am already aware of my role having been inconsistent.

actually can someone summarize how this was claimed?

walkie talkie owners
Night one
Yomiel
Neb (alleged my yomiel, not countered)

Day One
neb dead, the fate of the item unknown
Yomiel's stolen

Night two and on ??

when specifically were the items received/lost/given away so far?

[Yomiel]

Actually, the host claiming that nothing was changed about the items confirms that those three are lying, otherwise Pershy and Spiesr would be dead, for one. And they got many facts about the items, their restrictions, and how they worked wrong.

Neb hints at having the item, and he was investigated and discovered to have it.

What happens after that is unknown. Even if you assume either Iron or Pershy is a thief role that managed to steal my item, they then managed to figure eachother's identities out. Iron then alleges he gave his to Spiesr.

But like I said, they have no grasp of how the item works. It's actually a pretty good case, I'd say.

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Well, when you say it like that it sounds good, but like I said, I am personally aware that there are inconsistencies.

[Yomiel]

Except that the host has sworn there isn't. Now, i could buy he's lying and too stubborn to admit he made a mistake, but for now, I've no choice but to take him at his word. But like I've said several times, recoil should be interesting.

If the rules were not changed, then Iron can't have chosen to give the walkie-talkie to Spiesr. And since Spiesr and Pershy publicly stated they have it, they both should be dead right now. They are not, so that can only mean they don't have it.

[zimmah]

Except that the host has sworn there isn't. Now, i could buy he's lying and too stubborn to admit he made a mistake, but for now, I've no choice but to take him at his word. But like I've said several times, recoil should be interesting.

If the rules were not changed, then Iron can't have chosen to give the walkie-talkie to Spiesr. And since Spiesr and Pershy publicly stated they have it, they both should be dead right now. They are not, so that can only mean they don't have it.

problem is, only you seem to be aware of the rules, and who guarantees us that you aren't lying.

[Yomiel]

I said pretty much all the restrictions before any of them. A while before any of them. I have no reason to lie, and how could I have known the walkie-talkie existed? Also, how would I have known that one half got passed around, something that even they agree on?

See, if Iron/Pershy got the walkie-talkie and noted that how it worked was very different than what I said, why would they not call me out on it? Iron especially is always eager to see me lynched. Same thing with Spiesr. They never challenged what I said, just suddenly claimed something completely different. It seems more like they either forgot about it and made mistakes when trying to lie about having this item or purposefully planned it that way, to make me out to be the bad guy. I'm not the most popular person, and with three against one, it's easy for them. The facts remains that I claimed this item and all the restrictions first and had no reason to lie, plus, I had a big part in getting the Mafia leader killed. If you lynch me or accuse me of being lying, it makes no sense.

[zimmah]

maybe you did have the walky talky, but made up the rules about them, to set up whoever would have it after you, by claiming they'd lie, while they'd obviously 'lie' because you made up the rules.

you knew the existence because you had the item, and you think your method was waterproof, but it isn't. because if you say a and b, and a is true, doesn't necessarily mean b is also true.

[Yomiel]

You're really making yourself look suspicious. I'm already pretty much proven Town, and the plan you mention is stupid. They are obviously lying, but you are grasping at any and all straws to avoid voting for them and get me killed.

[Iron Butterfly]

I said pretty much all the restrictions before any of them. A while before any of them. I have no reason to lie, and how could I have known the walkie-talkie existed? Also, how would I have known that one half got passed around, something that even they agree on?

See, if Iron/Pershy got the walkie-talkie and noted that how it worked was very different than what I said, why would they not call me out on it? Iron especially is always eager to see me lynched. Same thing with Spiesr. They never challenged what I said, just suddenly claimed something completely different. It seems more like they either forgot about it and made mistakes when trying to lie about having this item or purposefully planned it that way, to make me out to be the bad guy. I'm not the most popular person, and with three against one, it's easy for them. The facts remains that I claimed this item and all the restrictions first and had no reason to lie, plus, I had a big part in getting the Mafia leader killed. If you lynch me or accuse me of being lying, it makes no sense.

NO. You spoke of things in a general way and with no clarity. It was not until I grilled your ass that we found out you used the WT in the same exact way we did ,code words and all, after implying several times the item was useless. You deem the item useless simply because you and Neb decide the item is useless. Because you believe something doesnt make it so. There is also a difference between being forth coming with facts and information and speaking in a general way.

And for the record. I have never advocated that you be lynched as you may be Town. I do however believe you are useless as Town because you refuse to look at anything that does not follow your own agenda.

[Iron Butterfly]

You're really making yourself look suspicious. I'm already pretty much proven Town, and the plan you mention is stupid. They are obviously lying, but you are grasping at any and all straws to avoid voting for them and get me killed.

This is why you are useless in your thinking. You "MAY" be Town. You have proven nothing, especially that you are Town.

[Epitaph1]

/, I don't know what else you are looking for. The way you've come after me today, it's almost as if you "mistakenly" received another cop result, this time with a guilty verdict on me. Either that, or you roleblocked a vanilla and think you thwarted a NK. Regardless, you're barking up the wrong tree.

At the time everyone piled on votes on Vodeon, this was the scenario: Yomiel was all over Vodeon since D1 and to me neither one was more credible than the other at the time they way they went back and forth; Vodeon OMGUS'd hippo (which was the crux of /'s case); and Vodeon was apparently in the midst of a streak of getting lynched within the first 2 days of like 7 different mafias (so I'm told). If I remember correctly, I wasn't too impressed with the case on Vodeon and it sounded like she just sucked at mafia--I guess I should have put that in writing at the time so I could defend myself against weak accusations later. Her claim was coming and I was ready to at least get some pressure on an inactive in case a scum was trying to coast into the night.

It was apparent that vodeon was going down, but there was no advantage to speeding up her lynch. To me, it was worth it to at least give us one other option. Obviously, it didn't go anywhere. C'est la vie.

I didn't even think to check SG7's profile to see when the last time he checked in. I normally play mafia within my clan and we let each other know when we'll be inactive or out of town. That's why I knew Daz was not going to be checking in any time soon and opted to start pressuring SG7 instead. I still stand by my theory that at least one scum will fly under the radar given the set up of this game, but I guess I'll hold off on pursuing any cases on that ground since it turned out poorly with happyfeet and has gained zero traction since.

fp'd

[zimmah]

You're really making yourself look suspicious. I'm already pretty much proven Town, and the plan you mention is stupid. They are obviously lying, but you are grasping at any and all straws to avoid voting for them and get me killed.

do you think you're more 'proven' than me? who or what is backing you up than?

[zimmah]

/, I don't know what else you are looking for. The way you've come after me today, it's almost as if you "mistakenly" received another cop result, this time with a guilty verdict on me. Either that, or you roleblocked a vanilla and think you thwarted a NK. Regardless, you're barking up the wrong tree.

At the time everyone piled on votes on Vodeon, this was the scenario: Yomiel was all over Vodeon since D1 and to me neither one was more credible than the other at the time they way they went back and forth; Vodeon OMGUS'd hippo (which was the crux of /'s case); and Vodeon was apparently in the midst of a streak of getting lynched within the first 2 days of like 7 different mafias (so I'm told). If I remember correctly, I wasn't too impressed with the case on Vodeon and it sounded like she just sucked at mafia--I guess I should have put that in writing at the time so I could defend myself against weak accusations later. Her claim was coming and I was ready to at least get some pressure on an inactive in case a scum was trying to coast into the night.

It was apparent that vodeon was going down, but there was no advantage to speeding up her lynch. To me, it was worth it to at least give us one other option. Obviously, it didn't go anywhere. C'est la vie.

I didn't even think to check SG7's profile to see when the last time he checked in. I normally play mafia within my clan and we let each other know when we'll be inactive or out of town. That's why I knew Daz was not going to be checking in any time soon and opted to start pressuring SG7 instead. I still stand by my theory that at least one scum will fly under the radar given the set up of this game, but I guess I'll hold off on pursuing any cases on that ground since it turned out poorly with happyfeet and has gained zero traction since.

fp'd

implying this is a possibility?

[Epitaph1]

implying this is a possibility?

He's already received one result despite not being the cop. . .supposedly.

[zimmah]

though, what if the real cop investigated you last night. apparently you wouldn't turn out innocent.

[Yomiel]

Iron, you are just being petty now. You still can't act civil towards me, and it's only going to hurt the game, no matter what side you are on. Since you are pretending like you don't remember, let me refresh your memory.

I didn't say much at first, because I didn't know if I was allowed. And I in fact did mention as much even then, which goes to show the restrictions were there. I only learned I could now post about having had the item AFTER the host PMed me to tell me so, which I think I also mentioned.

I've proven that you have lied. I don't know what your motive is. Maybe you are Town and just blindly backing Spiesr's story out of dislike for me. The fact remains that the story you three tell doesn't work and is littered with contradictions. At least one of you is Mafia, and you and Spiesr are the best bet. Why else would you lie about how the item works, unless you are even more petty towards me than I imagined?

You are not proven Town at all Zim, so don't act like you are. As the person above you said, I was all about getting Vodean lynched, which wouldn't make much sense if I were Mafia.

[Iron Butterfly]

Iron, you are just being petty now. You still can't act civil towards me, and it's only going to hurt the game, no matter what side you are on. Since you are pretending like you don't remember, let me refresh your memory.

I didn't say much at first, because I didn't know if I was allowed. And I in fact did mention as much even then, which goes to show the restrictions were there. I only learned I could now post about having had the item AFTER the host PMed me to tell me so, which I think I also mentioned.

I've proven that you have lied. I don't know what your motive is. Maybe you are Town and just blindly backing Spiesr's story out of dislike for me. The fact remains that the story you three tell doesn't work and is littered with contradictions. At least one of you is Mafia, and you and Spiesr are the best bet. Why else would you lie about how the item works, unless you are even more petty towards me than I imagined?

You are not proven Town at all Zim, so don't act like you are. As the person above you said, I was all about getting Vodean lynched, which wouldn't make much sense if I were Mafia.

What you have said is on the record for all to see. I have no fears. You have your history of interactions and gameplay.
You are useless.

[Yomiel]

You need to stop it with the insults. Most of you know nothing about my gameplay-you just harass me until I look bad, then act like I'm a terrible player when YOU turn out to be wrong, like when I turned out to be innocent in two games were you insisted I was Mafia. And I recall my two top Mafia picks were both revealed to be bad guys in one such game, not that any of you are going to give me any credit for what you missed.

Either you are Mafia or just lying about the item for some undisclosed reason. Either way, I think we should kill at least you and Spiesr, because like I said, it is possible you are just backing his story out of your extreme dislike for me.

Town, we need to do this. Don't let yourselves be blinded. This is NOT as minor as some are making it out to be.

[zimmah]

Iron, you are just being petty now. You still can't act civil towards me, and it's only going to hurt the game, no matter what side you are on. Since you are pretending like you don't remember, let me refresh your memory.

I didn't say much at first, because I didn't know if I was allowed. And I in fact did mention as much even then, which goes to show the restrictions were there. I only learned I could now post about having had the item AFTER the host PMed me to tell me so, which I think I also mentioned.

I've proven that you have lied. I don't know what your motive is. Maybe you are Town and just blindly backing Spiesr's story out of dislike for me. The fact remains that the story you three tell doesn't work and is littered with contradictions. At least one of you is Mafia, and you and Spiesr are the best bet. Why else would you lie about how the item works, unless you are even more petty towards me than I imagined?

You are not proven Town at all Zim, so don't act like you are. As the person above you said, I was all about getting Vodean lynched, which wouldn't make much sense if I were Mafia.

you are acting exactly the way you claim iron is behaving, and than you are telling me not to act like i'm proven town, just after you claimed you are more proven town than me.

seriously?

[Yomiel]

Nice try, but I am in no way acting like her.

[Campin_Killer]

Iron, you are just being petty now. You still can't act civil towards me, and it's only going to hurt the game, no matter what side you are on. Since you are pretending like you don't remember, let me refresh your memory.

I didn't say much at first, because I didn't know if I was allowed. And I in fact did mention as much even then, which goes to show the restrictions were there. I only learned I could now post about having had the item AFTER the host PMed me to tell me so, which I think I also mentioned.

I've proven that you have lied. I don't know what your motive is. Maybe you are Town and just blindly backing Spiesr's story out of dislike for me. The fact remains that the story you three tell doesn't work and is littered with contradictions. At least one of you is Mafia, and you and Spiesr are the best bet. Why else would you lie about how the item works, unless you are even more petty towards me than I imagined?

You are not proven Town at all Zim, so don't act like you are. As the person above you said, I was all about getting Vodean lynched, which wouldn't make much sense if I were Mafia.

you are acting exactly the way you claim iron is behaving, and than you are telling me not to act like i'm proven town, just after you claimed you are more proven town than me.

seriously?

It's the way she is in each and every game. She acuses people of lying when they clearly aren't. Hell, DiM made a great case with a bunch of links, and it was all "lies." It's just the way she acts

[Yomiel]

And here we go again. Campin, you are always the one who lies, along with Dim, who is not even in this game. So kindly keep him out of it, and heed to the rules about speaking about that game here. You need to stop trying to instigate, because it's getting old.

I am playing the game. I know for a fact Spiesr, Iron, and Pershy are lying. I had the item first and know about its rules. I still have all the PMs. You need to stop.

[Campin_Killer]

And here we go again. Campin, you are always the one who lies, along with Dim, who is not even in this game. So kindly keep him out of it, and heed to the rules about speaking about that game here. You need to stop trying to instigate, because it's getting old.

I am playing the game. I know for a fact Spiesr, Iron, and Pershy are lying. I had the item first and know about its rules. I still have all the PMs. You need to stop.

What rules? It's called meta.

[Yomiel]

STOP. Your sickening need to destroy every game I take part in is ridiculous.