Rolegift Mafia 2 Endgame: Give 'til it Hurts

by **Hensow** on Mon Jul 23, 2012 11:05 am

Rodion wrote:It means Hensow was supposed to have daytalk with Jak (or PCM) and is now having daytalk with PCM (or Jak).

yep

by **Yomiel** on Mon Jul 23, 2012 11:12 am

Can we rename this gift? "Busdrive" make no sense and really is confusing.O_o But now we've learned another gift.

I still don't think we should blindly believe Sound's claim that Jak is Town. A gift does not make you Town.

by **Rodion** on Mon Jul 23, 2012 11:25 am

Rodion wrote:It also means we may have "faulty evidence" regarding D1 as a busdrive is the most mischievous role and we don't have its N1 action catalogued (either because it fell in the hands of scum or because Saf/Aage had them). I believe that the player that gifted to DJ today might have to claim his D1 recipient if it was not Saf or Aage, as there is a decent likelihood he gave it to scum. Do not do that now, though, as we still need a couple more claims before we can be sure of stuff, plus this time can be used to hear other people's input.

Actually, this line of thinking should not be exclusive to the busdriver-gifter. If anyone got an item and did not claim, they're almost certainly mafia.

Milkshake, here's your homework: you'll PM / to know who Shield gave his D1 gift to. If / answers Hensow, you're 99% sure the commuter-gifter. If he answers anything else, you're most likely to be the day-talk gifter. If you are the day-talk gifter and did not send to Saf/Aage D1, there's a good chance you sent to scum.

For now, ask / what I asked you to ask and sit on the information.

Yomiel wrote:Can we rename this gift? "Busdrive" make no sense and really is confusing.O_o But now we've learned another gift.

I still don't think we should blindly believe Sound's claim that Jak is Town. A gift does not make you Town.

We shouldn't. Sound's claim now applies to PCM (because of DJ's busdriving). And we should not blindly believe PCM is town just because he has a 'townish' flavour item.

However, Jak has above average odds of being town because of LSU's 8-ball.

Busdriving will not be renamed. It's a traditional role that has been known for years.

by **Yomiel** on Mon Jul 23, 2012 11:28 am

Doesn't really make sense at all, especially with "bussing" meaning something entirely different.

LSU's gift means nothing. We don't even know if it's out there, and even if it is, so could the other one, and it would still be inaccurate. And I in fact know the gift can't be accurate, unless we got another swap going on.

by **Yomiel** on Mon Jul 23, 2012 11:29 am

Vote: Crazy

May change it later, but I want to get things moving, and she still strikes me as the most suspicious right now.

by **Campin_Killer** on Mon Jul 23, 2012 11:39 am

How is crazy suspicous? I'm pretty sure he's on vacation right now.

by **Rodion** on Mon Jul 23, 2012 11:52 am

Can we all agree NOT to lynch anyone before I get to process all the data to my liking?

by **Yomiel** on Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:15 pm

Yomiel wrote:Currently, I kind of want to vote for Crazy. It feels like she has been messing around for a while now. Aside from the general in activity, we have very clearly stated both Days that we want her to tell us what gifts she got. Though she made a post or two on the second Day, she still did not tell us what we wanted to know, even as we were waiting entirely on her before finishing things up. Then, today, she tells us who she gave her gift too, not what she got today or them. I just think its weird.

It's on the last page.>_>

by **jak111** on Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:44 pm

pancakemix wrote:
thechuck51 wrote:
pancakemix wrote:You're right. I should have thought of that.

I would point out that while LSU's gift is still in play today, there's no guarantee it's sane either. Current indications are that jak is town, but that doesn't confirm the accuracy of the 8-ball by any stretch (or that jak is town, but I'm not about to make that case).

On top of that, there's currently no evidence to suggest that Campin's gift is LSU's or the other. By my count we're currently waiting on DJ, Tails, and Milkshake didn't claim what he received, so we're waiting on him too. If they don't have the second cop gift (unless I missed it) then there's reasonable doubt in a Yomiel lynch.

you and campin were in the same group from Spiesrs plan so as long as LSU adhered to that it should be the same cop gift

But LSU assumed he:

1. Had gifted PMC
2. Did not have the cop gift (his bet was tracker).

So unless he had figured that out the list is basically null. To my recollection, that did not occur. If you can show me otherwise, I'll concede that point.

Well, it looks like most of my processing has been done by others over the last few pages :/

So whatever Soundman knows is about PCM now.

As for the list thing, with PMC and PCM being in separate groups.. it's nearly impossible to say he group to either group since he didn't even know what he was due to a mod error >.<.

We probably should have gotten who he gifted to before he died if anyone. (Some gifts may be missing between PMC and Jonty though).

Could the mod prod the inactives so we can get more info?

by **crazymilkshake5** on Mon Jul 23, 2012 3:45 pm

Yomiel wrote:Vote: Crazy

May change it later, but I want to get things moving, and she still strikes me as the most suspicious right now.

why do you keep calling me a she? ffs man. its not that hard.

in other news, my computer was on the fritz, going to catch up.

by **Yomiel** on Mon Jul 23, 2012 3:48 pm

So? You all call me a guy. We learn to live with it.

And it might be nice if you stopped playing the "catching up" card, because you did that yesterday, and you had us all waiting on you. We all still want to know what gifts you got last Night and the Night before.

by **TA1LGUNN3R** on Mon Jul 23, 2012 5:22 pm

I'm a little behind atm; last night I had the watcher gift which I used, but I don't want to reveal whom I watched just yet. I also had the fishing line giftsteal, which I used but again don't wish to reveal on whom. I'll catch up later tonight if I have the time.

-Tails

by **Yomiel** on Mon Jul 23, 2012 5:29 pm

What's the Watcher item?

by **Rodion** on Mon Jul 23, 2012 7:06 pm

That leaves only 1 uncatalogued item.

Tail, did you use the fishing rod to steal the watching item?

What were the comprehensive mechanics on Jonty's power?

by **spiesr** on Mon Jul 23, 2012 7:32 pm

thechuck51 wrote:you and campin were in the same group from Spiesrs plan so as long as LSU adhered to that it should be the same cop gift

Unfortunately, LSU almost definitely didn't know he was a cop gifter. (He would have mentioned it for sure.) He thought he sent his gift to pmchugh.

Yomiel wrote:Can we rename this gift? "Busdrive" make no sense and really is confusing.O_o But now we've learned another gift.

I thought you had prior mafia experiance? The Busdriver role is fairly common/basic (on this site at least, I can only assume about elsewhere).

by **Yomiel** on Mon Jul 23, 2012 7:42 pm

I'd never heard of it before. I'd heard of the similar Redirect, but never that role.

by **everywhere116** on Tue Jul 24, 2012 1:55 pm

Huh, activity kind of slowed down there for a while. I take it we're all just waiting for crazy?

by **Yomiel** on Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:12 pm

I'm on team "Let's just kill her, because all she does is hold up the game anyway".>_<

by **Yomiel** on Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:14 pm

Yomiel wrote:Currently, I kind of want to vote for Crazy. It feels like she has been messing around for a while now. Aside from the general in activity, we have very clearly stated both Days that we want her to tell us what gifts she got. Though she made a post or two on the second Day, she still did not tell us what we wanted to know, even as we were waiting entirely on her before finishing things up. Then, today, she tells us who she gave her gift too, not what she got today or them. I just think its weird.

And since writing this, she did the same exact thing AGAIN. I can't think this is just coincidence. I think she's doing it on purpose.

by **Campin_Killer** on Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:59 pm

Yomiel wrote:I'm on team "Let's just kill her, because all she does is hold up the game anyway".>_<

HE has already said he is a he and his computer is on the fritz anyways.

crazymilkshake5 wrote:
Yomiel wrote:Vote: Crazy

May change it later, but I want to get things moving, and she still strikes me as the most suspicious right now.

why do you keep calling me a she? ffs man. its not that hard.

in other news, my computer was on the fritz, going to catch up.

by **Yomiel** on Tue Jul 24, 2012 3:24 pm

Once I start calling someone by a certain gender, it tends to stick.

Anyway, that is hardly an excuse, since this has been going on for a while, long before any alleged computer problems. By now, Crazy has to know what gifts she has gotten, and we've asked numerous times. Yet each time, whenever she posts, it never has that info. I do not believe this is an accident.

I don't see anyone with any other leads.

by **Rodion** on Tue Jul 24, 2012 4:49 pm

/, can you prod or replace Milkshake, please? Can you also extend the deadline so it won't fall in the weekend?

We may have leads. The busdriver-gifter could provide a lead potentially. Same for the daytalk-gifter (Milkshake, possibly). Tails may have watched Jonty or at least found information that conflicts claims. We just really need more activity so we are sure whether those potential leads are going to happen or whether we'll have to look through different means.

And the mechanics on the Jonty fishing rod are important too. Did you get to choose who you'd steal an item from or was it just handed to you like Jak's? Or did you pick a player and steal all items they had (which happened to be only 1 - the watcher)? Or am I completely wrong and it's something totally different?

by **Yomiel** on Tue Jul 24, 2012 4:54 pm

Too many players tend to stay silent, so it's hard to get real leads.

by **soundman** on Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:12 pm

You're just a troll Yomiel. It's not hard at all to switch from 'he' to 'she'. Especially when they already corrected you and obviously want you to use the proper one.

Vote Yomiel

I've stayed out of everything surrounding you and given you the benefit of the doubt. I've hoped that you could fit into this community and increase our player pool. I've even disagreed with how several others have treated you. But I've reached the end of my patience and am tired of your antics. I would prefer that you step down and let someone else take your place however I'll willingly push for your lynch/replacement if you don't. I'm sorry. I really hoped that you would become part of this community.

Mod, I know several others have already asked but could you get Crazy in here? Thanks.

After leaving this up and walking away for a bit to cool off I've decided to Unvote. I still want you out of the game and hope that you will step down or that the mod will replace you however I'm not going to possibly give the game to Mafia just to lynch you.

On a game related note, I have a few thoughts but need to hear what Crazy got both nights to see if they make any sense.

by **Yomiel** on Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:19 pm

Sound, I find that behavior completely uncalled for. This game was going just fine. There has been no drama or arguing so far. Then you suddenly come out here, call me a troll, and vote for me. You may unvote later in your post, but that just shows how unnecessary it was for you to do it in the first place. Then you say you want me out of the game and want the mod to replace me. I haven't done anything. There has not been any drama or arguing, like I said earlier, yet you still apparently want me out of the game. It's more than a little ridiculous, and it kind of contradicts the other stuff you say. I mean seriously, what the heck? The game is drama-free, yet apparently this annoys you, so you come in and start drama? You apparently have no reason. You just call me a troll out of nowhere, then decide you want me out. Well, I'm not going anywhere, and I don't see the host replacing me for absolutely no reason, just because of your whims.