Too many Items Mafia (4/14) Endgame: I Confess

[pershy]

Iron's not lying. He was adamant that Vodean was guilty and posed questions on Vodean's claimed role that he wanted to be answered in the thread. I brought up some of what he had said in our private conversations and would have posed all of his questions to Vodean to apply more pressure if he hadn't been lynched when he did. IB was going after Vodean in a big way - I saw that and you guys didn't. Therefore I don't think he is scum.
Also he was silenced.
I wonder if anyone has been silenced today. With certain quiet ones anyway it could be difficult to tell.

[Yomiel]

The Mafia is really giving themselves away, and it's surprising.O_o

I have used the walkie-talkie, and I never said otherwise. You have no idea how it works, and that just makes it all the more clear you're lying.

You cannot choose who you give your walkie-talkie to. And Pershy would still have the other walkie-talkie if Iron gave his up, so his post would be breaking the rules of the item.

It is weird, though. Lying about having that item seems pretty stupid, yet there is no denying the inconsistencies and the odd convenience of one suspicious player backing another.

[spiesr]

i have only one question for you and you don't have to answer it but it would help if you did.

what is your opinion on the other players?

Which other players are you asking about here? All of them, or someone specific?

[Epitaph1]

Wow, now we're getting somewhere. From what I gather from Yomiel and IB, if you receive the WT, you don't initially know who is on the other end and the other person could be mafia or town. So, pershy and IB are not necessarily affiliated other than they both received a WT for a day.

Pershy and spiesr now have WTs and are able to announce that they have them.

We've concluded that pershy is town based on his claim, and he is backing up IB's story. Yomiel has an entirely different story that no one can verify because Neb supposedly had the other end. Spiesr can't confirm the mechanism for relinquishing the WT, so I'm most focused on what pershy, IB, and Yomiel have to say. Yomiel also contradicts the restrictions imposed on the WT.

I'm inclined to believe IB and pershy because they are backing each other up and pershy's confirmed town. I know IB is not necessarily town just because pershy is, but I don't understand why we have two entirely different stories regarding the restrictions placed on the WTs and the process for passing them on. Either the mod relaxed the rules re: WTs (unlikely) or someone is lying.

Until this discussion, I was convinced that Yomiel was town based on his arguments with Vodeon. Now, I can't decide.

[Yomiel]

When exactly did we conclude Pershy is Town? I don't recall any such thing being revealed.

Also, how do I contradict the restrictions? I don't. As I've pointed out, it's those three that do, making it clear they are lying about having the item.

I don't see how anyone could think I'm Mafia. I got the Mafia Godfather killed. And it wasn't like I just voted for him, where you could claim I was bussing. I suggested him out of the blue, with no suspicion on him at all. If that doesn't confirm I'm Town, I don't see what else does.

Besides, I mentioned the item and its restrictions yesterday. What, you think I set up some elaborate scheme on the random chance some player would claim to have gotten it and then completely get the rules wrong?O_o

[thehippo8]

The last 3 or so mafia games saw the godfather going early and his scum mates right there doing the kiling to look townish and try and at leastget to the end. It's pretty much a standard tactic and perhaps even over-utilised. But for Yoniel to say "why would I do that?" ... for wevery question there is always an answer. And here the answer is ... "to survive"! And while I was the first to be bored over the WT issues, crikey I'm pleased I sat back and listened rather than continued in that vein. So, I think it's all pretty clear now and clever Yomiel has been spinning a yarn which I have been believing until now. So, its all over ... unvote vote Yomiel

[Yomiel]

That...makes no sense at all. Vodean wasn't on anyone's radar, and no one was targeting him. To just suggest we vote him and lead his lynch when we're Mafia buddies would be stupid as heck. I can't believe you're trying to claim I'm twisting some yarn? How exactly was I doing that? Your whole post is very off. Too many people are practically announcing they're Mafia, and it's just getting weird.

[zimmah]

The Mafia is really giving themselves away, and it's surprising.O_o

I have used the walkie-talkie, and I never said otherwise. You have no idea how it works, and that just makes it all the more clear you're lying.

You cannot choose who you give your walkie-talkie to. And Pershy would still have the other walkie-talkie if Iron gave his up, so his post would be breaking the rules of the item.

It is weird, though. Lying about having that item seems pretty stupid, yet there is no denying the inconsistencies and the odd convenience of one suspicious player backing another.

we have speisr, pershy and IB all saying the same thing, and each one of them has solid arguments that your story is invalid.

either way it's easy:

we lynch you, and if you turn out to be town, the other 3 are likely mafia.

if the other 3 are telling the truth, you're very likely scum. leaving the others pretty much one the townish side (not so much as to be confirmed town, but at least they are more likely town)

vote yomiel

[zimmah]

i have only one question for you and you don't have to answer it but it would help if you did.

what is your opinion on the other players?

Which other players are you asking about here? All of them, or someone specific?

well it's quite clear what you think about yomiel for example but:

- pershy
- sg7
- /
- IB

to name some.

[Yomiel]

This is absolutely insane. I got the Godfather killed, yet you think I'm Mafia? And I claimed my item and its restrictions the second Day, way before these guys said a darn thing. So, what, I magically created this item, and then it turns out it actually exists? I mean, this is just beyond ridiculous.

You cannot say you have the walkie-talkie publicly while it is in your possession. You also cannot choose who gets the one being given up. They are obviously the ones lying, yet everyone is jumping on my case? Can no one here see that something is terribly wrong with this?

[Yomiel]

Also, rereading my notes, the host says that saying you have the walkie-talkie would not only result in the player being mod-killed, but blacklisted. She made this very clear, so yeah. Both Spiesr and Pershy, who claim to have them this turn, would be dead if that were true.

[/]

Heaven forbid I try to start another case when we reach an impasse. I have to go back and re-read the situation on D2, but I believe we were at a point where Vodeon was our only claim and we didn't know what to do. I'm pretty sure we've established that scumarining is going to be particularly effective this game with short deadlines and an automatic lynch at the end of the day (unless most votes are for no lynch).

Did SG7 post at all on D2? My vote for him was to get an inactive to speak up, which was the same reasoning behind my vote for Happy Feet. I still believe that one or more of the mafia have been or will be keeping a low profile, so getting the quiet ones to speak up is not that bad of an idea.

Why did you wait so long then? We were doing literally nothing up until then, you could have presented a case at any time, but you waited to make your literally second post of the day exactly when it would derail the case against the mafia godfather with a suspect claim.

[Yomiel]

No comments on the madness with people trying to kill me?

[pershy]

No comments on the madness with people trying to kill me?

I'm not down with it.
Was not Yomiel instrumental in bringing Vodean down? Not just a throw under the bus vote!
But my point is that IB was also after Vodean.
Me too.

And I don't agree with Zimmah's point that if Yomiel flips town then people go after me or IB. I'm sure IB is town and I think I can clear Epi now too.

I WILL have to look into any of these inconsistencies though.

What are these "notes" on the walkie talkie that you are referring to Yomiel? I certainly didn't receive any.

[spiesr]

When exactly did we conclude Pershy is Town? I don't recall any such thing being revealed.

When he correctly identified Neb's item an Day 2 we more or less concluded that he really has role-cop powers. I suppose he can't be 100% certain of his alignment, but a town role-cop makes more sense than a scum one.

Last night I checked out Epitaph1.

He has no item, so I am inclined to think he is town too. I suspected him before, but am sure he would have a suspicious item if he was scum, even a goon.

Epitaph, can you confirm if this result is correct?

Off to reread the Day 2 case now...

[Yomiel]

The host told me the item's restrictions and all that.

[Epitaph1]

Heaven forbid I try to start another case when we reach an impasse. I have to go back and re-read the situation on D2, but I believe we were at a point where Vodeon was our only claim and we didn't know what to do. I'm pretty sure we've established that scumarining is going to be particularly effective this game with short deadlines and an automatic lynch at the end of the day (unless most votes are for no lynch).

Did SG7 post at all on D2? My vote for him was to get an inactive to speak up, which was the same reasoning behind my vote for Happy Feet. I still believe that one or more of the mafia have been or will be keeping a low profile, so getting the quiet ones to speak up is not that bad of an idea.

Why did you wait so long then? We were doing literally nothing up until then, you could have presented a case at any time, but you waited to make your literally second post of the day exactly when it would derail the case against the mafia godfather with a suspect claim.

Are we talking about the same game?

First off, it was not my 2nd post of the day, it was my 4th--get your facts straight. By that point in the game, I was the third most active person in the game.

Second, vodeon had already claimed when I suggested pressuring a 2nd person. We only had one case going on D2, Vodeon, and we had heard little to nothing from quite a few people (see above link). Vodeon claimed, what else could my vote have done? He can't claim a second time. Given that the person with the most votes dies at the end of the day, there was no point in speeding up Vodeon's inevitable lynch, so the best option as I saw it was to start something new.

The problem with accusing someone of scumarining is that he or she has to scumarine and not participate. For a valid case based on this theory, you need some time for it to develop. The day phase can't be going for 2 days for you to say "so-and-so hasn't said a thing today, he must be scum." I didn't have any great cases to go on except a persistent suspicion that mafia could easily fly under the radar this game and let the lynches occur at the end of each day phase. When we got a claim from vodeon and (s)he still remained the leader to get the noose, I threw out the most inactive person in the game that I knew hadn't disappeared from CC.

Perhaps it was too late in the day, but the outcome of the day had been determined well before that point anyway.

fp'd

Yes, that's correct. I don't have an item, which confirmed in my mind that pershy is telling the truth.

[spiesr]

Second, vodeon had already claimed when I suggested pressuring a 2nd person. We only had one case going on D2, Vodeon, and we had heard little to nothing from quite a few people (see above link). Vodeon claimed, what else could my vote have done? He can't claim a second time. Given that the person with the most votes dies at the end of the day, there was no point in speeding up Vodeon's inevitable lynch, so the best option as I saw it was to start something new.

So, you believed vodean's claim then?

[/]

Ok, sorry, I miscounted, I don't know how I entered it exactly, but when I did an advanced search the first time, only two came up. (Still; doesn't explain how hippo came up with six, which means you probably weren't the "third most active person")

Your point is interesting, you claim you wanted to pressure someone without preventing vodean's lynch, how is that feasible? Pressure in mafia indicates "claim or we will lynch you" not "claim, but we're lynching that other guy either way."

[Yomiel]

No comment, /?

[/]

No comment, /?

Personally, I'm not really relying on the mods consistancy at this point, it's a crazy game with crazy as a mod, I would have no clue why there are inconsitancies from night to night, I don't think it's good scum tell going either way.
I like my case better, no comment on my case?

more @ epitath, you are now essentailly saying it was an inevitablitity which you had already accepted, but it was clear you were trying to move off of vodean

I'm with hippo on this one. We have a claim that we can monitor for now, so why not put some pressure on someone else while we still have time? We don't need to rush into the night and if we don't get anywhere with another case, vodeon will get lynched at the end of the day anyway.

Vote SG7

you were in favor of monitoring the claim, letting vodean live, and trying to find someone else to die, letting vodean die was only secondary.

And if you were so active as you claim, why did you have no comment to give on the case against vodean?

Vote Count

Hippo-Vodean
Vodean-/, pershy, jonty, ???-L3

Deadline is July 11th. No set time, whenever i feel like it.

That's interesting, I don't remember a player named ??? in this game (that's a joke)

Vodeon, you best claim now if we are going to start any cases on anyone else before the deadline.

This was the only thing you said before the claim, just another nudge to say, "Vodean, go ahead and claim something, so we have time to move off of you and lynch another inactive that obviously won't be here to defend themselves"

The thing about your "case" on shield, I looked at his profile at the time you mentioned him, and it said that he clearly hadn't logged on for like a week, if you had simply looked at his profile you would know it wasn't "laying low", thusly even that wasn't a valid case, because he had in fact disappeared from CC at the time.

[Campin_Killer]

I just replaced SG7, reading up now.

Also, 'firm

[zimmah]

Also, rereading my notes, the host says that saying you have the walkie-talkie would not only result in the player being mod-killed, but blacklisted. She made this very clear, so yeah. Both Spiesr and Pershy, who claim to have them this turn, would be dead if that were true.

that's a rough statement to make.

[thehippo8]

Also, rereading my notes, the host says that saying you have the walkie-talkie would not only result in the player being mod-killed, but blacklisted. She made this very clear, so yeah. Both Spiesr and Pershy, who claim to have them this turn, would be dead if that were true.

that's a rough statement to make.

Rough? It's like the harsh end of a cat's tongue after a second hand fish burger ... the smell is atrocious and it don't half rasp! If it were true then it'd be apparent!

[Yomiel]

I have no idea what you just said, but I'm telling the truth. Wish i could quote it, but that's against the rules. Hippo, Iron, and Spiesr are all looking pretty suspicious right now. Pershy is too, but people seem convinced he is Town.