Mini-Mafia 2 [5/9] N3 - going quietly into the dark

by **vodean** on Wed Jul 18, 2012 8:38 am

well the day didnt restart, but you all kinda were waiting for me to replace shield.

Deadline is set for wednesday, July 25th. this may be subject to change upon an upturn in activity, and request from 2 separate people.

by **vodean** on Thu Jul 19, 2012 1:29 pm

deadline pushed up to monday. lets get active guys. prods to EVERYONE will be sent tomorrow, if you havent posted again by then.

by **thehippo8** on Thu Jul 19, 2012 3:30 pm

Hokay ... so not much happening but thumb twiddling!

The number of posts so far ...

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So that leaves militant and IB on even stevens at the least involvement (ok so Chuck is lower by one post but given he wasn't in the game until later I wasn't counting him .... yet!). Medefe said "let's get the game started" so my vote returns to ... unvote vote militant.

Let's get the game rolling!

by **militant** on Thu Jul 19, 2012 4:05 pm

thehippo8 wrote:So that leaves militant and IB on even stevens at the least involvement (ok so Chuck is lower by one post but given he wasn't in the game until later I wasn't counting him .... yet!). Medefe said "let's get the game started" so my vote returns to ... unvote vote militant.

Let's get the game rolling!

And in your ten posts, you've voted for four different players, nearly half the number that are playing. Need I remind you that it is the content of a player's post that is important, not the number. And besides, I would contest that I've done more useful scumhunting in my three have than you have in your ten. How does flip flopping as you call it help the town?

by **thehippo8** on Thu Jul 19, 2012 4:13 pm

militant wrote:
thehippo8 wrote:So that leaves militant and IB on even stevens at the least involvement (ok so Chuck is lower by one post but given he wasn't in the game until later I wasn't counting him .... yet!). Medefe said "let's get the game started" so my vote returns to ... unvote vote militant.

Let's get the game rolling!

And in your ten posts, you've voted for four different players, nearly half the number that are playing. Need I remind you that it is the content of a player's post that is important, not the number. And besides, I would contest that I've done more useful scumhunting in my three have than you have in your ten. How does flip flopping as you call it help the town?

Whilst I completely agree with you re flip-flopping and quality of posts, I am also concerned that:

You have to account for joke voting on day one
My Meta has always been to flop about - particularly on day one - so it would be weird (for me at least) if I didn't do that
The way people respond when being voted is the best way of getting scum tells - and that helps town!
Being silent doesn't help anyone

Being purely defensive is not offering anything useful to the game (otehr than scumtelling) or to town
Small games like this need to be played - get off the tread-mill!

by **DiM** on Thu Jul 19, 2012 4:30 pm

we do need to get something going.
putting some pressure on somebody might give us something to work with.
sitting around not posting and waiting for the deadline can only help mafia.

by **MeDeFe** on Thu Jul 19, 2012 6:57 pm

DiM wrote:we do need to get something going.
putting some pressure on somebody might give us something to work with.
sitting around not posting and waiting for the deadline can only help mafia.

Quite right, but it's always better to go on something than on nothing. Even if the something is so flimsy that it disappears as soon as you throw a second glance its way. The "random pressure"-method has this uncanny tendency of always targeting a towny in my experience.

Right now I'd be leaning towards pressuring thehippo, because, even when accounting for joke votes, 5 different people voted for in 9 posts is a lot.

by **thehippo8** on Thu Jul 19, 2012 7:16 pm

MeDeFe wrote:
DiM wrote:we do need to get something going.
putting some pressure on somebody might give us something to work with.
sitting around not posting and waiting for the deadline can only help mafia.

Quite right, but it's always better to go on something than on nothing. Even if the something is so flimsy that it disappears as soon as you throw a second glance its way. The "random pressure"-method has this uncanny tendency of always targeting a towny in my experience.

Right now I'd be leaning towards pressuring thehippo, because, even when accounting for joke votes, 5 different people voted for in 9 posts is a lot.

So, you are clearing militant then?

by **thechuck51** on Thu Jul 19, 2012 9:27 pm

thehippo8 wrote:Whilst I completely agree with you re flip-flopping and quality of posts, I am also concerned that:

You have to account for joke voting on day one
My Meta has always been to flop about - particularly on day one - so it would be weird (for me at least) if I didn't do that
The way people respond when being voted is the best way of getting scum tells - and that helps town!
Being silent doesn't help anyone

Being purely defensive is not offering anything useful to the game (otehr than scumtelling) or to town
Small games like this need to be played - get off the tread-mill!

meta or not flip-flopping votes is still scummy

by **Nebuchadnezer** on Thu Jul 19, 2012 11:05 pm

Hippo, you make it too easy to be the target. You'd think you'd learn. the thing that jumps out at me, is that you are now using your own "meta" as a crutch to keep doing the same crappy things? It's like you purposely built up this "meta" so that you could be this way all the time, and use this as your defense. It's scummy. Always was. Always will be. Meta or not, it's scummy. However, this is the first time that you've come to your own defense using the meta argument. usually someone else will do that for you. Makes me wonder if you didn't get yourself into a scrap and nobody is bailing you out, so you bailed yourself out?

vote Hippo

Let's see if we catch anything.

by **DiM** on Fri Jul 20, 2012 5:26 am

MeDeFe wrote:The "random pressure"-method has this uncanny tendency of always targeting a towny in my experience.

yeah, that's because there are always more townies than mafia.
in our current setup we probably have 2 or 3 bad guys and that means a random target will be townie in 66-77% of the cases.
but randomly pressuring somebody doesn't necessarily mean lynching him.
you could just put pressure and see what happens. he might slip up and say something bad, he might get overly defensive. or somebody else might jump in and be overly defensive, somebody might bandwaggon for no apparent reason.
as long as there's no rush to lynch and give the accused time to defend and others to react then even random pressure can be good.

by **lord voldemort** on Fri Jul 20, 2012 5:36 am

Pressure is much better than silence always...I take no stock in meta from previous games though hippo.
As long as no one does something silly and put someone at L-1 then dumping votes to someone cant hurt.

On the side of hippo...the vote hopping and what not...it could be just his way of pushing day 1 along. If not militant...then Iron butterfly?

by **MeDeFe** on Fri Jul 20, 2012 5:41 am

thehippo8 wrote:So, you are clearing militant then?

I don't see how you reached this conclusion...

by **vodean** on Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:03 am

Vote Count 1.3
MeDeFe - 1 (mili)
Hippo - 2 (chuck, neb)
militant - 1 (hippo)

Not voting - 5
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch
Deadline is set for Wednesday, 25th of July.

by **DiM** on Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:04 am

vodean wrote:Vote Count 1.3
Lovo - 1 (neb)
MeDeFe - 1 (mili)
Hippo - 2 (chuck, neb)
militant - 1 (hippo)

Not voting - 4
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch
Deadline is set for Wednesday, 25th of July.

you have neb voting twice.
only these are ok:

MeDeFe - 1 (mili)
Hippo - 2 (chuck, neb)
militant - 1 (hippo)

by **thehippo8** on Fri Jul 20, 2012 7:05 pm

MeDeFe wrote:
thehippo8 wrote:So, you are clearing militant then?

I don't see how you reached this conclusion...

It's not a conclusion ... it's a question! Are you going to answer it?

by **MeDeFe** on Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:02 pm

thehippo8 wrote:
MeDeFe wrote:
thehippo8 wrote:So, you are clearing militant then?

I don't see how you reached this conclusion...

It's not a conclusion ... it's a question! Are you going to answer it?

In order: no, yes.

by **Nebuchadnezer** on Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:35 pm

thehippo8 wrote:
MeDeFe wrote:
thehippo8 wrote:So, you are clearing militant then?

I don't see how you reached this conclusion...

It's not a conclusion ... it's a question! Are you going to answer it?

Ya, I didn't get how you were even coming to this question...How did you think MeDeFe was clearing militant?

by **thehippo8** on Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:46 pm

Nebuchadnezer wrote:
thehippo8 wrote:
MeDeFe wrote:
thehippo8 wrote:So, you are clearing militant then?

I don't see how you reached this conclusion...

It's not a conclusion ... it's a question! Are you going to answer it?

Ya, I didn't get how you were even coming to this question...How did you think MeDeFe was clearing militant?

Because rather than respond to what I said, Medefe simply proceeds to grumble about my day one flopping and jokevotes. I have returned to militant and explained why. I appreciate what y'all say about my day one floppiness and if you don't like it I won't do it in future games. I thought it was funny but clearly I was the joke! Lol. Anyway, can we deal with the militant or IB issue now?

by **MeDeFe** on Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:59 pm

thehippo8 wrote:
Nebuchadnezer wrote:
thehippo8 wrote:
MeDeFe wrote:
thehippo8 wrote:So, you are clearing militant then?

I don't see how you reached this conclusion...

It's not a conclusion ... it's a question! Are you going to answer it?

Ya, I didn't get how you were even coming to this question...How did you think MeDeFe was clearing militant?

Because rather than respond to what I said, Medefe simply proceeds to grumble about my day one flopping and jokevotes. I have returned to militant and explained why. I appreciate what y'all say about my day one floppiness and if you don't like it I won't do it in future games. I thought it was funny but clearly I was the joke! Lol. Anyway, can we deal with the militant or IB issue now?

We can deal with your flip-flopping.

vote thehippo8

by **Nebuchadnezer** on Fri Jul 20, 2012 10:06 pm

thehippo8 wrote:
Nebuchadnezer wrote:
thehippo8 wrote:
MeDeFe wrote:
thehippo8 wrote:So, you are clearing militant then?

I don't see how you reached this conclusion...

It's not a conclusion ... it's a question! Are you going to answer it?

Ya, I didn't get how you were even coming to this question...How did you think MeDeFe was clearing militant?

Because rather than respond to what I said, Medefe simply proceeds to grumble about my day one flopping and jokevotes. I have returned to militant and explained why. I appreciate what y'all say about my day one floppiness and if you don't like it I won't do it in future games. I thought it was funny but clearly I was the joke! Lol. Anyway, can we deal with the militant or IB issue now?

Umm...what's the militant and Iron issue?

by **thehippo8** on Fri Jul 20, 2012 10:13 pm

@ Neb ... this ...

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@ Medefe ... seriously? Jokevote stage is over now!

by **thehippo8** on Fri Jul 20, 2012 10:16 pm

Medefe ... you have put me at L2 ... do you want to talk about militant at all or do you want me to claim?

Sorry for the double-post but I am uncertain whether Medefe is serious on his vote!

by **MeDeFe** on Fri Jul 20, 2012 10:36 pm

thehippo8 wrote:@ Neb ... this ...

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This doesn't explain how you thought I was in any way clearing militant, though. So, yes, I'm keeping my vote on you.

Your behaviour has been erratic, and I'm unsure of your reasonings. Since we're still a good way from the deadline and in day 1 I have no problem with unvoting if you were to reach L-1, but so far you have been responsible for most of the scumtells, so keeping the pressure on you is just sound townish behaviour.

by **DiM** on Fri Jul 20, 2012 10:51 pm

right after we get a claim from hippo8 i'd also love to hear some words from iron butterfly and crazymilkshake5.
they haven't posted anything since the 15th (IB) and the 16th (CMS5).

IB has been very active in 4 other mafia games so he's clearly avoiding this one for some reason.
CMS5 has also been active in several mafia game but avoiding this one.

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