Rolegift Mafia 2 Endgame: Give 'til it Hurts

[Yomiel]

I had thought you were already voting for him. What's the vote count?

[LSU Tiger Josh]

With a missing gift, I'm fine with the lynch of me for today even though I'm town because this game is pissing me off . When I flip town, it'll show one of two people are lying so cest la vie.

I'm not enjoying this game mostly because of fucktard Yomiel. I will also be adding my name to this list of players that won't play with that tard who cries like a little baby whenever she gets asked questions that don't get answered and seems to like repeating the same stupid shit over and over. Grow a pair and get angry if it is stupid stuff instead of crying oh so and so is being mean to me. If you can't handle answering simple questions posted like campin did then don't play. It also doesn't do any good posting the same stupid shit 10 times in 20 minutes in almost back to back post unless you're just trying to piss off the general populous which you had already done before.

Before I die, here are my best guesses on who the scum are: PMC, Jonty, Hen, Chuck, Yomiel, and Sound.

UNVOTE VOTE LSU

[soundman]

I had thought you were already voting for him. What's the vote count?

Page 27, with only two votes since then.

I'm waiting for Crazy. Mod can you please prod him? If he's reading up and that's why he's not posting, then could you at least tell him to post his gifts? Thanks.

Fastposted. Now it's three votes.

[Yomiel]

Can someone post it? And LSU, it's because of statements like that that this os for the best.

[jak111]

With a missing gift, I'm fine with the lynch of me for today even though I'm town because this game is pissing me off . When I flip town, it'll show one of two people are lying so cest la vie.

I'm not enjoying this game mostly because of fucktard Yomiel. I will also be adding my name to this list of players that won't play with that tard who cries like a little baby whenever she gets asked questions that don't get answered and seems to like repeating the same stupid shit over and over. Grow a pair and get angry if it is stupid stuff instead of crying oh so and so is being mean to me. If you can't handle answering simple questions posted like campin did then don't play. It also doesn't do any good posting the same stupid shit 10 times in 20 minutes in almost back to back post unless you're just trying to piss off the general populous which you had already done before.

Before I die, here are my best guesses on who the scum are: PMC, Jonty, Hen, Chuck, Yomiel, and Sound.

UNVOTE VOTE LSU

I sure hope you're trying a last minute bluff, but do you see what I mean in the possible suspects of this missing gift thing? I can't fully know what's going on, I can only go off what I've seen so far. Hell there might only be two and PMC didn't send a gift, but I guess we'll find out what happened there soon >.<.

@Rodion: Thank you. How do you link to specific posts by the way? I could never figure out how to do that.

If you click the subject line of a persons post it gives you a link to start at their post ^^

[everywhere116]

@Rodion: Thank you. How do you link to specific posts by the way? I could never figure out how to do that.

If you click the subject line of a persons post it gives you a link to start at their post ^^

Thank you.

Also, I did some counting, and assuming that A) Slash counts pmc's "Present coal to reindeer LSU" as a vote and B) LSU moved his secret vote to himself along with his public vote, then LSU just hammered himself. If this is so, Slash will put up a lynch scene soon. I urge all of us (except scum, they can ignore this) to get your gifts sent to Slash before he does so.

[LSU Tiger Josh]

Can someone post it? And LSU, it's because of statements like that that this os for the best.

No retard, it's not statements like those that "it is for the best". It's the fact that it will expose one of the other two as lying that it is for the best.

It's not a bluff Jak. I'm done with this game and that idiot. Most of yall I will see in other games as long as Yom isn't in the game. Jak as far as only going off what has been said, I agree. Three people claim to send something so one of them is most likely lying and being that sugar britches will keep on crying about lynching me until I finally die, I'm just giving up on this game. There is no more for me to claim other than the fact that I am town and I did copy and paste what I sent to /. GL town and someone kill Yomiel for me for being a retard and hopefully not screwing up the rest of yalls fun in this game by continueing to be an annoying bitch.

Also my extra vote should be on me once / reads my pm.

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Vote Count:

Yomiel (2) - Campin_Killer , Rodion
LSU Tiger Josh (9) - everywhere116 , Hensow , thechuck51 , Yomiel , pmchugh , jak111 , LSU Tiger Josh , ???, jonty125

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch

There's the lynch, the game will be in twilight 'til tomorrow so everyone can get their gifts in, last chance people!

Mod ruling btw, since this is starting to upset folks.
Campin, LSU, etc, please do not get angry in this thread, as per rule 11
Yomiel, campin, etc, please to not repeat yourselves unnecessarily, or more than once or twice, it is spammy, as per rule 11
Do not make me intervene, have a nice day.

[Rodion]

Can we keep talking until you flip LSU, /?

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Yes, you may

[Hensow]

Before I die, here are my best guesses on who the scum are: PMC, Jonty, Hen, Chuck, Yomiel, and Sound.
UNVOTE VOTE LSU

Is this a list of people that voted for you

[pmchugh]

I see that my old elf friend LSU has not changed

Better get going, lots of gifts to send to all the good boys and girls!

Also: I love how LSU is so blind sided by his own position that he thinks it is a bad idea to test a cops guilty result and subsequently OMGUSs people

[Yomiel]

I'm not going to miss him. That's a really offensive name to call someone, and it was completely unprovoked.

Anyone got a link to the post or page where chugh voted for him, though? I missed that.

[jak111]

Before I die, here are my best guesses on who the scum are: PMC, Jonty, Hen, Chuck, Yomiel, and Sound.
UNVOTE VOTE LSU

Is this a list of people that voted for you

Sound wasn't on the list of voters, and PMC makes since if LSU pops innocent (The whole missing stuff).

[Rodion]

Frigging' speedlynch did not allow me to plan the way I wanted to (after Milkshake's claim). So much for asking nobody to be lynched before we heard from Milkshake...

Considering Jonty's claim that he did not give a present yesterday, we have 4 gifts between Milkshake, Saf and Aage and 5 gifts we still don't know (those 4 + Jonty's).

We don't yet know if we have a full Dethys or just 2 cops, but we should reasonably expect that we don't have 2 sane cops. If we assume that we do not have 2 sane cops, a LSU mafia-flip will mean Yomiel got either paranoid or sane: If Yomiel got paranoid, PCM got either sane, insane or naive; if Yomiel got sane, PCM got either insane or naive.

This means that LSU-mafia implies:
41,6% chance PCM got naive on Jak
41,6% chance PCM got insane on Jak (thus Jak is mafia)
16,6% chance PCM got sane on Jak (thus Jak is town)

Alternatively, LSU-town implies:
41,6% chance PCM got naive on Jak
41,6% chance PCM got sane on Jak (thus Jak is town)
16,6% chance PCM got insane on Jak (thus Jak is mafia)

The same insight that LSU's lynch will give us on Jak could have been given on LSU by lynching Jak (simulate the outcomes and you'll see). I find it interesting that nobody cogitated lynching Jak over LSU when the results would have been the same.

Anyway, LSU flipping mafia will likely doom Jak, while LSU flipping town would make Jak more likely to be town as well.

If LSU flips town, though, and we can cover all 19 gifts after the D3 gift-claiming is over (meaning we need to see the 5 unknown gifts), we'll know whether there is another mechanic that manipulates gifts that could possibly explain the "missing gift" situation. If there is not, then we have (at least) one liar between Jak, Spiesr and pmchugh.

Since I'll be giving 2 gifts, you'll all most likely know my role tomorrow.

Finally, Milkshake, please post! /, please prod him!

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Finally, Milkshake, please post! /, please prod him!

sure, done

[pmchugh]

Before I die, here are my best guesses on who the scum are: PMC, Jonty, Hen, Chuck, Yomiel, and Sound.
UNVOTE VOTE LSU

Is this a list of people that voted for you

Sound wasn't on the list of voters, and PMC makes since if LSU pops innocent (The whole missing stuff).

Care to esplain hohohohow I "make sense"? He named 6 players and 5 of them voted for him. He had 7 votes total not including self votes. That is OMGUS.

[jak111]

If there is not, then we have (at least) one liar between Jak, Spiesr and pmchugh.

Did you figure this out all by yourself? I stolen 2 gifts, 3 are missing, no one else claimed to have received Saf's gift and I claimed how many I stole well before the number of claimed stolen in public. Spiesr is cleared as per my track on him, I stole two gifts, 3 are missing, I know the gift to Spiesr was either never sent or didn't reach him because he didn't go anywhere to 'use' the gift. Which leaves either PMC lying about not receiving or LSU lying about sending. If I were mafia, I definitely would not CLEAR Spiesr. Although, I admire how quickly you're ready to lynch a useful townie thus far and one who actually does have an innocent result (As if we can't lynch who it's used on tomorrow, making our choices of tester smaller).

But the two real scenarios here is either I stole LSU's and my gift from PMC, or I stole mine/LSU's gift and PMC's gift. The first would make PMC lying because he supposedly sent his gift to someone who didn't have any gifts. The 2nd would make LSU soon to be a dead man.

Your post is noted Rodion, whether LSU flips Scum or Town you're assuming I have this high chance of being scum. We'll see come tomorrow what I can bring to the table, but we'll also see what you can bring as well.

Also, for the record, I did the math on your 'numbers' and it seems like you pulled them out of your ass. (No, I'm not joking), where is your missing 0.2% Rodion? If you seriously expect me to believe that you spent more than 10 seconds putting that together show me where that went to.

Also PMC, it's a 50/50 chance you or LSU is the liar of us bunch. I can clear Spiesr and myself is cleared from only 3 missing gifts but no one is missing that sent it to me. (Well Saf was the only one to 'send' one to me) I stole two gifts. Two gifts were sent to you, so there's a 50/50 that I took them both and you're lying (Because then you never sent one to Spiesr if I didn't steal yours). But then there's the other possibility LSU is lying because then I could have stolen mine, PMC's gift, and LSU just never sent one to begin with.

But in all.. if I knew WHO I stole my gifts from I could pinpoint the liar right now.
~If I stole mine and PMC's, LSU is the liar.
~If I stole mine and LSU's, PMC is the liar.
~If I stole LSU's and PMC's, PMC is the liar, because I sent him mine.

So REALLY.... there's 2/3 chance PMC is the liar.

[Rodion]

I know the gift to Spiesr was either never sent or didn't reach him because he didn't go anywhere to 'use' the gift.

There are passive gifts, such as bulletproof and doubler. Receiving a gift does not force you into going anywhere.
Consequently, a tracker report stating someone did not go anywhere does not equal stating the tracked player did not receive gifts.

I had not mentioned that in my earlier posts, but I'd personally rank spiesr as the least likely of the 4 to be the liar because he I don't see him being scummy. If I had to pick, I'd go Jak* > PMC > LSU > spiesr.

Although, I admire how quickly you're ready to lynch a useful townie thus far and one who actually does have an innocent result (As if we can't lynch who it's used on tomorrow, making our choices of tester smaller).

I beg your pardon? Am I quick to lynch an useful townie? Who would that useful townie be? And what exactly did I say that lead you to this conclusion?

Your post is noted Rodion, whether LSU flips Scum or Town you're assuming I have this high chance of being scum. We'll see come tomorrow what I can bring to the table, but we'll also see what you can bring as well.

Why so defensive? And why so illogical? I actually said that if LSU is town, the cop reports make you more likely to be town. Reread my post and you might comprehend.

Also, for the record, I did the math on your 'numbers' and it seems like you pulled them out of your ass. (No, I'm not joking), where is your missing 0.2% Rodion? If you seriously expect me to believe that you spent more than 10 seconds putting that together show me where that went to.

You can add .6666666666666666% (add as many sixes as you want) to each of the places, but you may still complain that a 0.0000000002% is missing. This happens because you can't divide 100 by 3 or, in this case, 6.

Perhaps you can comprehend better with fractions?

1/4 is 25%.
1/6 is roughly 16.6%.

1/4 + 1/6 is the 41.6%
1/6 is the 16.6%

1/4 + 1/6 + 1/4 + 1/6 + 1/6 = 100%

So REALLY.... there's 2/3 chance PMC is the liar.

Yet you voted LSU.

I fail to understand why my former post offended you so much.

* this may offend you

[Rodion]

If you want the version for dummies of what that other post of mine said (and I know some people will need), just disregard naive and paranoid sanities and consider we have a sane and an insane cop. If the guilty on LSU is proven truthful, then the innocent on Jak will be proven false, meaning Jak is mafia. Alternatively, if the guilty on LSU is proven false, then the innocent on Jak will be proven truthful, meaning Jak is town.

Roughly speaking, it's like LSU and Jak are masons.

They are not technically masons because of the possible naive and paranoid sanities, but then you'll need to go back to the non-dummy version featuring the 41.6%.

[pmchugh]

Why can't there simply be a dud gift? Or someone who is able to block/switch gifts in a similar manner to jak? Or that someone is unable to receive gifts? I hate when people say things like X or Y is scum, (or even worse break it into percentages like it means jack shit) based on pure speculation. I also wish you guys paid more attention to the way that I play, I realise I am invalidating my own defence by saying this but I try town tell as scum pretty hard, and I would never compromise that based on something silly like whether I received a gift, or whether I sent one.

Personally I think Rodion smells of BS, and is likely to have something to do with this problem and will try get us lynched one by one till we find the "guilty" party.

Also:

Which leaves either PMC lying about not receiving or LSU lying about sending.

This is laughable, if you could steal 2 gifts from me then why not 3?

But in all.. if I knew WHO I stole my gifts from I could pinpoint the liar right now.
~If I stole mine and PMC's, LSU is the liar.
~If I stole mine and LSU's, PMC is the liar.
~If I stole LSU's and PMC's, PMC is the liar, because I sent him mine.

So REALLY.... there's 2/3 chance PMC is the liar.

This is what I mean... seriously? Option 3 is my favourite conclusion.

[spiesr]

Frigging' speedlynch did not allow me to plan the way I wanted to (after Milkshake's claim). So much for asking nobody to be lynched before we heard from Milkshake...

If LSU flips scum I am going to wager that this was intentional, and perhaps also in the hopes of stop gifts from going out?

If I were mafia, I definitely would not CLEAR Spiesr.

I disagree with this statement and my trust of you is diminished by it.

Anyone got a link to the post or page where chugh voted for him, though? I missed that.

Here you go:

Present coal to reindeer LSU- As much as I liked the sound of speisrs plan this is just simpler. In fact I would continue to push this idea (of investigating in two halfs) so we know which is which.

To pmchugh, my plan was proposed independently of LSU's fate. Whether he got lynched today or not we still need the method of telling the two apart.

[jak111]

Personally I think Rodion smells of BS, and is likely to have something to do with this problem and will try get us lynched one by one till we find the "guilty" party.

Even though you're one of the two I suspect of us 4, I was about to go on a rant on Rodion for just 'popping' in at the right time AFTER LSU was lynched, but you and Spiesr fastposted me, so I was like, what the hell, he summed it up in a nicer tone than I wrote it in.

Anyway, I'm making cases from my point of view, sure there are other point of views, but I'm going off of what -I- know happened and didn't happen. For me there are two suspects, for others there may be 3-4. Personally I think tomorrow if the two cops reclaim their 'item' we may be able to catch ANOTHER mafia if Yomiel or PMC lied about having the 8-ball.

As for my vote on LSU when I had 2/3 chance for PMC AFTER the lynch (Note: AFTER) it was to test two birds with one stone (sanity thing)... Actually, I think we may be able to bust a few claims if everyone restates the items each day (Obviously if there's a change in the item to the role... someone's lying). I find it funny that Rodion picked out a chance thing I made after the lynch. It's like he expects me to have it beforehand when I only thought of it afterward. Can't tell me that you don't think of stuff as you go. So that's a hypocrite move bud.

Onto Spiesr's post:

You can disagree, but I wouldn't bother clearing people, I'd set them up, and it's hard to set up someone I said did what they said they got, which is nothing.

If LSU flips scum we'll continue with tomorrow, if he flips town we'll see what we got and if nothing more comes up come back to this liar case.

[spiesr]

Personally I think tomorrow if the two cops reclaim their 'item' we may be able to catch ANOTHER mafia if Yomiel or PMC lied about having the 8-ball.

If Yomiel lied then LSU won't be scum.

Actually, I think we may be able to bust a few claims if everyone restates the items each day (Obviously if there's a change in the item to the role... someone's lying).

That's only been the plan the entire time.

[Yomiel]

That was his vote?O_O I had thought he was, like, killing him or something.

I still have no idea who gifted me.O_O

I did not lie. I got an 8-ball, investigated LSU, and he showed up guilty. I would not lie about something like that. That would be rather reckless.