CYOC Mafia [7/15] Game Over! [Archive]

[edocsil]

Well with a third of the players not being town, it isn't that far fetch to say my list holds probably at least half of the mafia within it. But with the numbers so far and off of estimations of number of mafia, I can't really clear 12/15 people, so stop thinking illogically. I gotta clear so and so many people mentally, and see what remains compared to my estimations of numbers. Which it seems to fit perfectly at the moment. So excuse me if I'm gonna go with my gut feeling on this one Tails.

It's possible that your list has no mafia on it. Your list has no actual tells on it, but is merely a wish list comprised of your vague impressions that aren't backed up in any way.

Gut feeling =/= logic. You're accusing me of being illogical, which is silly when your entire argument depends upon a gut feeling. Perhaps you should review what logic is before dismissing mine. My point was that you said I was vote worthy because I was (1) not contributing, which I showed to be not the case, (2) on "the" list, which I showed is absurd because your list is laughable, and (3) active, which shows nothing.

So you're grabbing nothing from a fat lot of nothing and trying to make something from it.

-Tails

My list is laughable is it? Eliminate those that are cleared and tell me who's left Tails? At one point or another others have been cleared off as the game progressed, right now only a few remain. Just because you're one of the few does not mean you can call my reasoning bs. Who do you trust Tails? I trust /, and atm Iron B. / alone has cleared a few people at one point or another. Doom went uncountered in the Yam Giver, Spiesr is uncountered and is a protection role that is pretty much cleared since no other protection role has stepped up to the plate.

Show me where my list is bs instead of just shouting it out Tails. Show me who on my cleared list shouldn't be cleared or almost cleared? You can talk a lot of shit, but if you don't take a moment and bring your own lists, thoughts, and ideas to the table, how do you expect to be helped? Right now the only reason by my list is sort of dominating is because everyone else just says it's bs, without pointing out flaws, errors, or even making their own list of cleared/uncleared. Hell, I wish I had the easy job of sitting back and calling everyone's stuff bs because it has my name on it or whatever. That takes no time or effort to do. Those saying since I'm 3rd party I can't be trusted, well I don't see why I can't be when I'm bringing everything to the table and contributing my ideas.

So, once again I'll state this clearly for you Tails. Either point out where my list is flawed without saying I'm 3rd party or make your own list, let's compare and see who we can cross off as town and who we can pin as being on multiple lists of baddies. I'm all ears, but you better be able to speak my language of numbers and English.

Your list sucks big fat balls because no one's alignment is known. Pardon the bluntness.

Based on the data sent to me, I will create a role for the character. The player who sent me the character will recieve that role with a random alignment.

Actions are all that maters, not abilities. I didn't realize this at first either. I am not clear, the yam giver isn't clear, / isn't clear, no one is. we may know people's abilities, but we do not know their alignments. We have to catch the bad guys in a lie, their roles can be whatever they want, so can their fakes. You can't play FTC here, because the cop could just simply be scum. Either you don't grasp that or you are intentionally attempting to manipulate the town to your own ends.

[jak111]

Actions are all that maters, not abilities. I didn't realize this at first either. I am not clear, the yam giver isn't clear, / isn't clear, no one is. we may know people's abilities, but we do not know their alignments. We have to catch the bad guys in a lie, their roles can be whatever they want, so can their fakes. You can't play FTC here, because the cop could just simply be scum. Either you don't grasp that or you are intentionally attempting to manipulate the town to your own ends.

I've taken it into consideration, however, do we just not trust anyone and lynch randomly every day? Or do we try to actually put our trust somewhere. I think some of you are getting too caught up on Pancake's post and reading too much into it. You're seeing conspiracies where they aren't there.

I'm choosing to trust people who I think are cleared or at least honest. If you can't trust anyone, that's your own problem.

For the record, your alignment is known. So does this make you no one? Saf and my alignments are known. We'd be stupid to claim 3rd party without any pressure. (I could go into WIFOM about it, but I doubt that'd be much of HELP).

But my biggest concern is. If you're gonna dismiss what I have to say, then at least bring your own plan to the table. "Your list sucks" and "No one can be trusted" are not plans, they are statements of the already known.

[Iron Butterfly]

Unvote Jak

Safari Nowhere did I suggest Shaggy tried to kill anyone but you are making it seem like I am. Shaggy visited Yumiel night one, that is all I said.

I clearly quoted where you said someone tried to kill someone. Given that the night scene was not at all clear what happened, I don't know where you're getting that from. Are you suggesting it was an attempted vig kill or an attempted mafia kill? But you clearly said someone was trying to kill someone. I'd like to see evidence or justification of that.

You did read the night one scene? If you haven't explain how you would interpret "Intent to kill". This is all old news.

You seem to be trying to sew confusion where there should not be any.

But there IS confusion. Specifically with the Night 1 scene where "intent to kill" turned into what? A roleblock? I'm pointing out that you saying "someone tried to kill someone" is not tied to anything you uncovered in your investigations. If you can explain what exactly happened to cause the attempted kill to be negated, then absolutely I would view you more as being townish/cleared. But you haven't, and you offer no new suggestions about what happened. Putting generic statements like that makes me think you're trying to show that you're cleared or earn brownie points with town. I mean, I could just as easily state the obvious and appear to be helping town when in reality I'm not really saying useful at all.

You are restating what is already common knowledge. My point was simply that people were focusing the night scene around Edoscil, which would not be possible. Edoscil targeted Yumiel, Edoscils intent was NOT to kill. This was all raised by me while Edoscil was dead. On his resurrection we learn I was 100% right.

What I find funny/scummyy is that you suggest that you would look at me as being townish/cleared if I could explain how the attempted kill was negated. I am just a watcher. I offer a piece of the over all puzzle. Even if I gave you the solution you yourself would not trust the results because you do not know my alignment. If you do not believe I am telling the truth about my alignment why would even possibly consider that I would be telling the truth, if I had the answer to what happened night one?

in essence you are contradicting yourself in a big way, which proves to me you may be hiding something. You suggest I could be mafia but you would believe me if I gave you a solution to what happened night one...even though you question I might be mafia. That sounds like a no win situation to me.

I am Town watcher. If my results are in question until my alignment is revealed that's no problem. Ill report my results each day and if I am night killed so be it. if I get killed Town can still have my results. I just force mafia to second guess with one more target to choose from. Its win win from my perspective. I have no problem taking a death for the team.

NOW we have the yam giver who smartly gave a yam to Edoscil. We know Edoscil is Town.

On a final note. I am starting to believe it is you who are mafia. You yourself agree I bring up an interesting point about the alignments of the kill switches. Why would they have to be third party?

[safariguy5]

Restating common knowledge? All your talk about clearing edoc became a moot point after edoc was killed. The fact that he subsequently has been revived does not make your information relevant. Therefore, you cannot use that to justify towniness.

You want explanations from people you saw during your night actions, but you give absolutely no justification as to why they're suspicious nor have you brought any really useful evidence to the table that would warrant why they should claim.

For all we know, they could be some sort of protective/investigative role, and getting claims from them would only hurt town in the process. I personally am not in favor of them claiming in lieu of more evidence/ a good reason. Knowing that they visited someone is not a good reason, especially since we have lost very few players. It's not at a point in the game yet where we've lost a lot of town roles with night actions, so any number of roles could have any number of reasons to visit someone.

Speaking of your question about how I'm third party, are you forgetting that / already investigated me and confirmed I'm third party? Or are you saying that you don't think / is a reliable cop/is not town?

[Iron Butterfly]

Restating common knowledge? All your talk about clearing edoc became a moot point after edoc was killed.Actually you are wrong. After his immediate death people were trying to pin the night scene on him. As a vig people either assumed it was him or in my opinion people wanted him to be the night scene to take focus off the real stalker. The fact that he subsequently has been revived does not make your information relevant. Therefore, you cannot use that to justify towniness.Once again you are wrong. Between the time he was killed till revised i was trying to make people shift the focus to somewhere else.

You want explanations from people you saw during your night actions, but you give absolutely no justification as to why they're suspicious nor have you brought any really useful evidence to the table that would warrant why they should claim.

I have stated quit clearly who I have seen and who I have not. What you choose to infer is a completely different matter. On night one I have stated I saw Edoacil and Shaggy visit Yumiel. I never impled shaggy as suspicious. However he was there.

For all we know, they could be some sort of protective/investigative role, and getting claims from them would only hurt town in the process. I will agree with you about this to an extent but again if we are working from the premise that no one can be cleared because of there role it does not matter if they claim there role or not. I personally am not in favor of them claiming in lieu of more evidence/ a good reason. Knowing that they visited someone is not a good reason, especially since we have lost very few players. It's not at a point in the game yet where we've lost a lot of town roles with night actions, so any number of roles could have any number of reasons to visit someone.
Again I can agree with this comment.

Speaking of your question about how I'm third party, are you forgetting that / already investigated me and confirmed I'm third party? Or are you saying that you don't think / is a reliable cop/is not town?

Actually I forgot.

I have never played a game like this so it is a whole new way to play. Just like this game is I have played different.
The problem is that if doubt is cast on peoples alignment how do we determine who has the best interests of town outside of death? If a Doc, watcher, vig, bodyguard or cop can be mafia then the roles cant be used as a measuring stick. All we then have to fall back on is what people have done and their interactions with each other.

I've already stated I'm willing to take a night kill for the team. Ill post my results and if I am killed and flip Town people can trust who I watched is valid. In the meantime I will keep doing what i have been doing.

Let me ask you Saf what you would d to determine the alignment of players?

[safariguy5]

The timeframe of the edoc case is different. You revealed your actions after edoc had already explained his role. What people thought about him when he was dead has been resolved by his subsequent revival. Had you brought forward this information prior to edoc's explanation of his role, then I would see how you would be earning town cred.

The real issue you're actually pressing me for is determination of alignment. I suppose I could take the easy way out and say that as third party, I don't particularly care, but for the sake of working with town (and to preserve myself) I will attempt to bring some clarification.

We know that the facts of the matter are that we had a total of 3 townies killed with 1 being revived. I couldn't find any strong indication of an attempted night kill in the Night 2 scene. As pointed out before, I find it very unlikely that our protective role(s) managed to save the same person twice, especially since I couldn't find strong indication of that in the Night 2 scene. Also, at this point, none of our investigative roles have stepped forward with guilty results. We know (or people have claimed) that we have killswitches and also musician lynchers. I'm guessing that there is a possibility that we have no mafia and instead have a mix of third party players and possibly cult. An SKer is not out of the question either. Difficult to gauge player alignments if we do have a cult, but it would explain why we have had low casualties (especially during night) and the lack of guilty results.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

I'm all ears, but you better be able to speak my language of numbers and English.

*derisive snort*

You keep overstating your contribution and your "logic." Your list is willy-nilly and has no soundness.

Here is the almighty list, which should strike fear into the hearts of scum everywhere:

Also, since I don't doubt we have a watcher, that crosses Iron B off my list, but with his information adds Shaggy back on XD

Shaggy
Tails
SG7
Neb
Mr.S

Or the prior list:

Shield
Mr.S
Neb
Tails
Iron B

Looks like my list is down to 5 people. I could be wrong about Shaggy, but my gut is I'll vote any of these remainder guys.

With 4/6 (If you count Shaggy for you guys) we have a 66% chance of hitting mafia today, 5/6 of hitting non town which is 83.3% chance of doing so.

Anyone else want to take a pot shot here? So far nothing is changing my mind on my list, I'm narrowing myself in on these guys. (also to the message of why I didn't target Saf last night is because I didn't get the message back about what a kill switch does until the day started, so I gotta check him tonight, as far as what happens if/once I get these kill switches out of the picture, I am guessing I either have to survive the rest of the game or I just get taken out like Strike did back in that other game Hectic Electic).

So, /, before I cast my vote in the pot, without saying what they are, is there any of the 5 that you can clear or shall we just hope to not hit him/her? Which brings me to another person, hope you're prepared to clear yourself if we vote you Iron B, you're one of my 5.

I'll only say this one more time because if you don't get it now then I'm done talking about it: WHY? You've got no valid reasons for listing these players yet stammer on about the legitimacy of your list. Nothing, nada, zip. Hell, we can safely surmise that Mr. Squirrel is town because he was targeted for the NK night one according to spiesr, whom you trust.

Eliminate those that are cleared and tell me who's left Tails? At one point or another others have been cleared off as the game progressed, right now only a few remain. Just because you're one of the few does not mean you can call my reasoning bs. Who do you trust Tails? I trust /, and atm Iron B. / alone has cleared a few people at one point or another. Doom went uncountered in the Yam Giver, Spiesr is uncountered and is a protection role that is pretty much cleared since no other protection role has stepped up to the plate.

Only a few remain? Really? So your list has 4 viable options; therefore am I to surmise that 9 players have been cleared? Wow, I'm really behind in this game. You should add skimming to my dossier.

-Tails

[TA1LGUNN3R]

I couldn't find any strong indication of an attempted night kill in the Night 2 scene. As pointed out before, I find it very unlikely that our protective role(s) managed to save the same person twice, especially since I couldn't find strong indication of that in the Night 2 scene.

spiesr claimed bulletproof; perhaps mafia targeted the only known protective role w/out realizing he was so.

-Tails

[safariguy5]

I couldn't find any strong indication of an attempted night kill in the Night 2 scene. As pointed out before, I find it very unlikely that our protective role(s) managed to save the same person twice, especially since I couldn't find strong indication of that in the Night 2 scene.

spiesr claimed bulletproof; perhaps mafia targeted the only known protective role w/out realizing he was so.

-Tails

True, I reread the Night 2 scene. Still only a mention of a shadow, which seems more SKer to me than mafia. Which would mean that we probably don't have 4 mafia players in this game or we would have seen multiple attempted night kills.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

You can talk a lot of shit, but if you don't take a moment and bring your own lists, thoughts, and ideas to the table, how do you expect to be helped? Right now the only reason by my list is sort of dominating is because everyone else just says it's bs, without pointing out flaws, errors, or even making their own list of cleared/uncleared. Hell, I wish I had the easy job of sitting back and calling everyone's stuff bs because it has my name on it or whatever. That takes no time or effort to do. Those saying since I'm 3rd party I can't be trusted, well I don't see why I can't be when I'm bringing everything to the table and contributing my ideas.

Okay...

1. /-- flavor cop, proven, alignment unsure; playing pro-town but could be conning us.
2. Safariguy5-- iirc claimed 3rd party, helpful to town for his own benefit.
3. spiesr-- Bodyguard, alignment unsure
4. Some7hingclever replaced by Iron Butterfly-- Watcher, alignment unsure
5. edocsil (Resurrected Night 2)-- tracer/DK, only proven townie, unless rez (dimensional shifting) changed this
6. Tails-- awesomesauce
7. jonty125-- lyncher/ee mechanic (3rd party? can't remember)
8. DoomYoshi-- yam god, alignment unsure, same boat as /



12. Nebuchadnezer-- Kevin Smith, role unknown, alignment unsure. (possibly busdriver?)
13. Mr. Squirrel-- imo cleared as townie, unless spiesr is a bulletproof bodyguard mafia goon who protected Mr. Squirrel from mafia kill (an absurd situation)
14. ShaggyDan-- role unknown, alignment unsure, visited Yomiel N1
15. Jak -- 3rd party ninja lyncher iirc
16. Shield-- I don't know.

My top two at this time would be Doom for reasons I have stated previously, and shaggy, because he's been particularly eager for a Neb lynch mostly because of his PR.

-Tails

[TA1LGUNN3R]

I couldn't find any strong indication of an attempted night kill in the Night 2 scene. As pointed out before, I find it very unlikely that our protective role(s) managed to save the same person twice, especially since I couldn't find strong indication of that in the Night 2 scene.

spiesr claimed bulletproof; perhaps mafia targeted the only known protective role w/out realizing he was so.

-Tails

True, I reread the Night 2 scene. Still only a mention of a shadow, which seems more SKer to me than mafia. Which would mean that we probably don't have 4 mafia players in this game or we would have seen multiple attempted night kills.

*shrug* Maybe. I'm of the opinion there's a regular mafia, but that's just me.

-Tails

[ShaggyDan]

Swamped with work. Will post tomorrow or day after. Nothing vital to report.

[jak111]

Hell, we can safely surmise that Mr. Squirrel is town because he was targeted for the NK night one according to spiesr, whom you trust.

Well I admit I did miss that (Like I mentioned in my original post for people to mention the cleared I missed).

You can talk a lot of shit, but if you don't take a moment and bring your own lists, thoughts, and ideas to the table, how do you expect to be helped? Right now the only reason by my list is sort of dominating is because everyone else just says it's bs, without pointing out flaws, errors, or even making their own list of cleared/uncleared. Hell, I wish I had the easy job of sitting back and calling everyone's stuff bs because it has my name on it or whatever. That takes no time or effort to do. Those saying since I'm 3rd party I can't be trusted, well I don't see why I can't be when I'm bringing everything to the table and contributing my ideas.

Okay...

1. /-- flavor cop, proven, alignment unsure; playing pro-town but could be conning us.
2. Safariguy5-- iirc claimed 3rd party, helpful to town for his own benefit.
3. spiesr-- Bodyguard, alignment unsure
4. Some7hingclever replaced by Iron Butterfly-- Watcher, alignment unsure
5. edocsil (Resurrected Night 2)-- tracer/DK, only proven townie, unless rez (dimensional shifting) changed this
6. Tails-- awesomesauce
7. jonty125-- lyncher/ee mechanic (3rd party? can't remember)
8. DoomYoshi-- yam god, alignment unsure, same boat as /



12. Nebuchadnezer-- Kevin Smith, role unknown, alignment unsure. (possibly busdriver?)
13. Mr. Squirrel-- imo cleared as townie, unless spiesr is a bulletproof bodyguard mafia goon who protected Mr. Squirrel from mafia kill (an absurd situation)
14. ShaggyDan-- role unknown, alignment unsure, visited Yomiel N1
15. Jak -- 3rd party ninja lyncher iirc
16. Shield-- I don't know.

My top two at this time would be Doom for reasons I have stated previously, and shaggy, because he's been particularly eager for a Neb lynch mostly because of his PR.

-Tails

There, was that really so hard? Gonna explain what you were doing in the Night yet? We need any information we can get really, so really by just complaining about not being able to tell who is what alignment.

Also, for the sake of this not turning into a Yomiel/LSU debate, WHY would you think a yam giver would be mafia (a gift that pretty much would expose mafia)? Don't say because you already said so, either quote why you think this or restate it.

[spiesr]

Also, for the sake of this not turning into a Yomiel/LSU debate, WHY would you think a yam giver would be mafia (a gift that pretty much would expose mafia)? Don't say because you already said so, either quote why you think this or restate it.

We have no proof that he isn't scum. Roles don't have to be super useful to the scum to be scum aligned in this game. That said, we don't exactly know enough about Doom's role so say how useful it could be. What w have seen suggests that it could be useful, in that he could power up scum mates or use it to gain town credibility.

I couldn't find any strong indication of an attempted night kill in the Night 2 scene.

The shadow lurked about again, looking for a new victim. He stumbled across the home of a giant. He tried to slay the great warrior, but he could not even scratch his armor.

This sure looks like a kill attempt to me. And the "again" seems to suggest it was the same attacker as the previous night.

[safariguy5]

Again, jak seems to be operating under the assumption that we have mafia, probably 4 person. I'm suggesting that we have an SKer plus some third party roles. It would explain the lack of guilty investigations despite several investigative roles being claimed. I'm pretty sure we would have gotten at least 1 guilty in 2 nights of investigations at this point if the anti town faction was larger.

So I suppose I ask this question to everyone in general. How likely do you think we have a mafia faction at this point?

[edocsil]

Again, jak seems to be operating under the assumption that we have mafia, probably 4 person. I'm suggesting that we have an SKer plus some third party roles. It would explain the lack of guilty investigations despite several investigative roles being claimed. I'm pretty sure we would have gotten at least 1 guilty in 2 nights of investigations at this point if the anti town faction was larger.

So I suppose I ask this question to everyone in general. How likely do you think we have a mafia faction at this point?

Zip. I would guess SK, Cult, a few lynchers and a larger then average town.

[spiesr]

I'm pretty sure we would have gotten at least 1 guilty in 2 nights of investigations at this point if the anti town faction was larger.

Err, we have had a grand total of one alignment based investigation thus far...

[Iron Butterfly]

I'm pretty sure we would have gotten at least 1 guilty in 2 nights of investigations at this point if the anti town faction was larger.

Err, we have had a grand total of one alignment based investigation thus far...

While the thought has crossed my mind I would also agree with spiesr.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

There, was that really so hard?

No. Justify your list, i.e. give me some recognized scum tells on the people you find suspicious.

Gonna explain what you were doing in the Night yet? We need any information we can get really, so really by just complaining about not being able to tell who is what alignment.

No.

Also, for the sake of this not turning into a Yomiel/LSU debate, WHY would you think a yam giver would be mafia (a gift that pretty much would expose mafia)? Don't say because you already said so, either quote why you think this or restate it.

Again, it's been stated that the alignment is random. And besides, you're operating under the assumption that the yam-giver would give yams to his scummies...which when he claims would damn him. It's a perfectly good stratagem to give your yams to townies in order to appear pro-town, while still having the standard mafia NK. Risky, but sound.

-Tails

[edocsil]

Again, it's been stated that the alignment is random. And besides, you're operating under the assumption that the yam-giver would give yams to his scummies...which when he claims would damn him. It's a perfectly good stratagem to give your yams to townies in order to appear pro-town, while still having the standard mafia NK. Risky, but sound.

-Tails

Or the yams could APPEAR to do something (give a daycop ability) but then in the next night you get recruited. While I am not under the assumption that this is true, this game is very complicated, and assumptions like yours and mine could cost the town the game.

Eh, I quoted Tails. but I am agreeing with him and directing the post at Jak.

[jak111]

Again, it's been stated that the alignment is random. And besides, you're operating under the assumption that the yam-giver would give yams to his scummies...which when he claims would damn him. It's a perfectly good stratagem to give your yams to townies in order to appear pro-town, while still having the standard mafia NK. Risky, but sound.

-Tails

Or the yams could APPEAR to do something (give a daycop ability) but then in the next night you get recruited. While I am not under the assumption that this is true, this game is very complicated, and assumptions like yours and mine could cost the town the game.

Eh, I quoted Tails. but I am agreeing with him and directing the post at Jak.

Not to sound negative here, but we do win some and we lose some. I AGREE, the set up is strange, but I've been here for 3-4 months now, and the ONLY game I've been in without some sort of mafia was /'s test game. This is an actual mafia game, so I am going to assume we have at least 1 baddie out there if not more, otherwise would we not win right from the start? If the game was set up how you're explaining it, it would be too SIMPLE for the town. One SK.. what? once that lone SK dies we win? That sounds like a simple game to me. There are twists in this game, however with BEING a third party (Notice the way third is mentioned in there) there has to be a mafia, otherwise we'd just be 2nd parties Perhaps I'm an idiot for believing it, but there has to be an enemy to us, you can't tell me there's only a SK and MAYBE a cult recruiter.

Although under that logic it does seem odd only one kill attempt being mentioned, however it could be the same mafia person sending it in. If there's a cult out there, we'd be 3-3-7 (3 cult, 3 3rd party, and 7 town). With 2 of the 3rd parties working WITH town it's be 3-1-9 (better odds eh?).

But can you really tell me we have no anti cult roles if this was the case?

My list is not of scummy people, but of people who remain when most of the others are cleared or confirmed. But once the cleared and confirmed are out of the way, what remains is a number = to the last third party and the number of mafia if this is a mafia game. If you truly believe I'm wrong with this, let us see a single role either with Edoc's yam he's getting or a lynch/night kill of the remaining. Let's see if I'm the stupid one, or you're all just beginning to see conspiracies everywhere.

IF, by chance that your assumptions are right, this is going to be an easy game. (1 killer role... really?).

Also, Tails, if the assumptions are correct, then your information may be valuable from your night actions, same with Shaggy. Let's say that I'm wrong here and there's way more town than it seems. What are the chances that the only suspects are the ones concealing their night actions? You can fight me on this all you want to, but think about it for just a second, they're hiding something and they're gonna come up with every excuse in the book to not reveal it. There's obviously good protection roles out there, so what's the fear of giving out your information to help town.

(Also to Saf.. Really? We should have a guilty result by D3? / used the yam on you, and his role doesn't allow him to say town or mafia. I've seen many games without guilty results by D3.. Hell, I've seen them without them by D4).

[DoomYoshi]

Ok, giving edoc a cop yam. Will be on vacation this week with sporadic Internet access.

[pancakemix]

Suddenly, a voice bellowed from the blue:

"Day 3. Post 2.

IB actually brings up a good point about killswitches. I went back and reread my role PM. It says that there is another killswitch but it does not specify alignment. Up until now, I (and probably jak) have been working on the assumption that the other killswitch is third party like me. This may not be true. It's possible the other killswitch is town or mafia.

It's a possibility I mentioned earlier if Iron B didn't look over in his haste to post, but most likely this other person is 3rd party (Maybe even mafia). Perhaps town, but that's WIFOM as much as anything else.

What IB doesn't bring up is that most of my posts are based around facts. He's only against my post because one of the remaining accused is him. Maybe I shouldn't bother with going to this extent to help out town if posts like IB's is what I get in return. I'm going out of my own way to help a faction that hates me every time. If it weren't for a few nice people on the town's side I really wouldn't care who won. The reason why I'm STILL helping town is because I'm only getting messages questioning me from people who are on my list I made. So I really don't see a reason to turn against town right at the moment when it's not town who are fighting me XD

Do you think there may be another reason that the people not on your "list" are siding with you, while the people on your "list" are against it? Keep your mind open. It seems your list is just clearing anyone who has given a "claim" up until now. Great! So if the rest of us on your "list" claim, will we be cleared to? How many times do we have to say, roles have nothing to do with alignment. This is truly a game where we have to watch what people are saying, not saying, voting and not voting. We can't "meta" based on roles whether someone is scum or not...which is what your "list" is doing. You think you're helping town out, but really, you're just narrowing down your sites to those that have unknown roles. Please explain how that is logical.

At first, I was excited that there have been no night kills, as it seemed we were stonewalling the mafia. However, I was not thinking about 3rd party SKs/recruiters. So, even if we are stopping mafia...which I think we are (I agree with Jak, that there HAS to be a mafia, or else we're just playing Post-a-lot!), there is the possibility that there is recruiting going on.

Just so everyone has a bit more clarity. This is a crazy game with crazy roles, which is fun but I feel the Town faction needs to know who is who and who has done what. We have a sneaky killer who has not been able to kill the past two nights. We have two differing factions, or maybe they are the same faction.

I am Jack Skellington Town Watcher

Shaggy explain your actions Night one.

Tails explain your actions on night two.

Others have been observed in the mix...but I will get to them later.

I have seen no reply from Shaggy, and Tails is just dodging answering all together.
Also, what "others" have been involved? If you're really town trying to help us, Iron, shouldn't we know everything?

Okay...

1. /-- flavor cop, proven, alignment unsure; playing pro-town but could be conning us.
2. Safariguy5-- iirc claimed 3rd party, helpful to town for his own benefit.
3. spiesr-- Bodyguard, alignment unsure
4. Some7hingclever replaced by Iron Butterfly-- Watcher, alignment unsure
5. edocsil (Resurrected Night 2)-- tracer/DK, only proven townie, unless rez (dimensional shifting) changed this
6. Tails-- awesomesauce
7. jonty125-- lyncher/ee mechanic (3rd party? can't remember)
8. DoomYoshi-- yam god, alignment unsure, same boat as /
12. Nebuchadnezer-- Kevin Smith, role unknown, alignment unsure. (possibly busdriver?)
13. Mr. Squirrel-- imo cleared as townie, unless spiesr is a bulletproof bodyguard mafia goon who protected Mr. Squirrel from mafia kill (an absurd situation)
14. ShaggyDan-- role unknown, alignment unsure, visited Yomiel N1
15. Jak -- 3rd party ninja lyncher iirc
16. Shield-- I don't know.

My top two at this time would be Doom for reasons I have stated previously, and shaggy, because he's been particularly eager for a Neb lynch mostly because of his PR.

-Tails

Again, this is just a list of who's roles we know, and who's roles we don't know...except for Edoc. Again, I lean towards Doom being town. Had he gifted to / again, it would have been very suspicious. Given that he's giving to the only known town alignment, I trust he's not mafia willing to risk his identity...that would be a big gamble, unless he investigation proof. Also, I am not Kevin Smith! Kevin Smith doesn't SAY any of the quotes I've been using! Come on!

Swamped with work. Will post tomorrow or day after. Nothing vital to report.

Posts like these frustrate me. More importantly, they reek of stalling, when confronted with a question.

The question is, do we want Edoc to investigate Shaggy, a complete unknown, or confirm some of our suspicions with claimed roles? Meh, either way, Edoc, investigate someone quick and get back to us, so we can keep moving forward.

You know, after about five movies, I'm starting to realize that.

Neb"

[edocsil]

Got a Day Cop. I am going to read before choosing (should be night, I have time) if someone has some valid reasons for it to be used one way or another, say something now, or abide by my pick.

[jak111]

Got a Day Cop. I am going to read before choosing (should be night, I have time) if someone has some valid reasons for it to be used one way or another, say something now, or abide by my pick.

More of a suggestion than a valid reason, but pick someone we do not know anything about? OR use it on /, Spiesr, or anyone else to stop all this "Well they could be mafia" arguments. Either way, try to use it in the best way you think it will narrow down our list of suspects.