CYOC Mafia [7/15] Game Over! [Archive]

[TA1LGUNN3R]

I've posted within the last two pages. How is that laying low, especially considering my ordinary level of activity?

Anyways, I have no significant leads for today Unvote. At this point any agreement we can reach on a lynch will be hasty and ill thought out. Due to the possibility that we might be getting close to MYLO, I don't want to vote no lynch though.

That's interesting considering that you were all set against first / then Squirrel. Is there any particular reason why you no longer consider Squirrel suspicious?

-Tails

[DoomYoshi]

It was an inactive case. Squirrel has since become active.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

It was an inactive case. Squirrel has since become active.

Except that after you voted him for supposedly being inactive, you continued to defend the vote because you believed some funky actions occurred with busdriving and the bodyguard not dying. So it was more than an inactive case.

And pursuing an inactive case with 40+ pages? Sure, a lot of it was tripe because of Yomiel, but I think there are better cases to be had atm.

-Tails

[spiesr]

I just realized somthing about the night scene that we over looked.

A dark silhouette crept its way towards a home, with intent to kill the inhabitant.A large man loomed nearby, but the interloper was willing to risk passing him. Suddenly, the dimensions twisted, and the intruder, sneaking past the armed guard, only tied up his victim instead.

We have been assuming the large man in the red part is the same as the armed gaurd(Spiesr) in the blue part. Perhaps the large man is responsible for the "demension shift. Perhaps the large man used a NA on the killer which made his kill into a block. By blocking Spiesr would not deliver a kill blow. WIFOM. Maybe. It does read different when assuming there are 3 peopl in the scene. We have no idea about how the poweres work but if we have learned anything it is that some are pretty funky and outside the norm.

Does assuming the large man to be the one who twisted the dimensions (versus assuming I was the larger man) actually change anything though? We still have a person attempting a kill, sneaking past the guard, and then ending blocking instead. This calls for the existence of four people: the attempted killer, the guard, the target, and someone responsible for messing with the kill. If the large man was myself or if it was the other guy, I don't see any difference. (Apart from one version giving us a minor clue to the character of the one who twisted the dimensions.)

[Iron Butterfly]

I just realized somthing about the night scene that we over looked.

A dark silhouette crept its way towards a home, with intent to kill the inhabitant.A large man loomed nearby, but the interloper was willing to risk passing him. Suddenly, the dimensions twisted, and the intruder, sneaking past the armed guard, only tied up his victim instead.

We have been assuming the large man in the red part is the same as the armed gaurd(Spiesr) in the blue part. Perhaps the large man is responsible for the "demension shift. Perhaps the large man used a NA on the killer which made his kill into a block. By blocking Spiesr would not deliver a kill blow. WIFOM. Maybe. It does read different when assuming there are 3 peopl in the scene. We have no idea about how the poweres work but if we have learned anything it is that some are pretty funky and outside the norm.

Does assuming the large man to be the one who twisted the dimensions (versus assuming I was the larger man) actually change anything though? We still have a person attempting a kill, sneaking past the guard, and then ending blocking instead. This calls for the existence of four people: the attempted killer, the guard, the target, and someone responsible for messing with the kill. If the large man was myself or if it was the other guy, I don't see any difference. (Apart from one version giving us a minor clue to the character of the one who twisted the dimensions.)

For one I would think it casts you in a better light. If thats a problem let me know.

[DoomYoshi]

It was an inactive case. Squirrel has since become active.

Except that after you voted him for supposedly being inactive, you continued to defend the vote because you believed some funky actions occurred with busdriving and the bodyguard not dying. So it was more than an inactive case.

And pursuing an inactive case with 40+ pages? Sure, a lot of it was tripe because of Yomiel, but I think there are better cases to be had atm.

-Tails

You said that Mr. Squirrel is not likely to be mafia because he was targetted. I proved that your statement did not hold. Reading further into it is not advised.

Also, if there are better cases, why have you not shown support for any of them?

[TA1LGUNN3R]

It was an inactive case. Squirrel has since become active.

Except that after you voted him for supposedly being inactive, you continued to defend the vote because you believed some funky actions occurred with busdriving and the bodyguard not dying. So it was more than an inactive case.

And pursuing an inactive case with 40+ pages? Sure, a lot of it was tripe because of Yomiel, but I think there are better cases to be had atm.

-Tails

You said that Mr. Squirrel is not likely to be mafia because he was targetted. I proved that your statement did not hold. Reading further into it is not advised.

Also, if there are better cases, why have you not shown support for any of them?

I'm sorry, maybe I missed that. How did you prove that? Once again, there's no evidence that any supposed busdriver had any effect on Squirrel, which is what you were going for. All we can deduce is that Saf and Edoc were switched or /'s investigation redirected otherwise. As far as Squirrel is concerned, I think spiesr got it right:

This calls for the existence of four people: the attempted killer, the guard, the target, and someone responsible for messing with the kill. If the large man was myself or if it was the other guy, I don't see any difference. (Apart from one version giving us a minor clue to the character of the one who twisted the dimensions.

As for better cases, I think you're a better one.

-Tails

[Iron Butterfly]

I just realized somthing about the night scene that we over looked.

A dark silhouette crept its way towards a home, with intent to kill the inhabitant.A large man loomed nearby, but the interloper was willing to risk passing him. Suddenly, the dimensions twisted, and the intruder, sneaking past the armed guard, only tied up his victim instead.

We have been assuming the large man in the red part is the same as the armed gaurd(Spiesr) in the blue part. Perhaps the large man is responsible for the "demension shift. Perhaps the large man used a NA on the killer which made his kill into a block. By blocking Spiesr would not deliver a kill blow. WIFOM. Maybe. It does read different when assuming there are 3 peopl in the scene. We have no idea about how the poweres work but if we have learned anything it is that some are pretty funky and outside the norm.

Does assuming the large man to be the one who twisted the dimensions (versus assuming I was the larger man) actually change anything though? We still have a person attempting a kill, sneaking past the guard, and then ending blocking instead. This calls for the existence of four people: the attempted killer, the guard, the target, and someone responsible for messing with the kill. If the large man was myself or if it was the other guy, I don't see any difference. (Apart from one version giving us a minor clue to the character of the one who twisted the dimensions.)

I also forgot to mention the obvious. Earlier in the game I chastised Edoscil for relying on flavor in his defense and others using it to make him the killer. We have a flavor cop. There is a difference between a "guard in armor" and "a big man". If by chance / stumbles across a "big man" we may have somthing to go by especially with the way peoples claims are slowly coming out.

[DoomYoshi]

Spiesr could be correct. The point is that there is no proof that Mr. Squirrel was actually the target of a kill last night.

[Iron Butterfly]

Spiesr could be correct. The point is that there is no proof that Mr. Squirrel was actually the target of a kill last night.

Do you thionk the night scene involves edoscil?

[jak111]

If I had some other power this dimension switching wouldn't be that far fetch for me, however I simply can only test people to see if they are a 'killswitch'. Perhaps it's everything, and perhaps it's nothing, but maybe my character was mentioned in the scene (I targeted Spiesr last night) but besides that, I don't see me fitting anywhere's else besides maybe being the sneaky one? (I'd think mind would involve the use of magic.. but I'm not the scene creator).

However, to stop this banter and actually get something started for the day, perhaps the town will help me out later, however for now we need the day to start.

Vote Doom

You're all FOS'ing, and accusing each other of stuff, put your votes where your mouth is and lets actually find stuff out instead of relying on some scene that doesn't seem to be getting us anyplace new at the moment. Damn, I'm third party and I can tell the town is barely even trying to get anywhere, so I'm a bit worried about how many town is actually out there. (3 3rd party, 3-4 mafia... 5-6 townies... Right now the town seem like they ARE or NEAR LYLO).

If we get a mafia or the other 3rd party today we can have 7-8 against 3-4. However, if we hit a town today, we're looking at 6-7 against 4-5 and that's BEFORE night kills. No lynch is not an acceptable course of action. Also, for /'s comment earlier. With the amount of mafia and 3rd party in the game, right now if 3rd party sided with mafia it'd cause no lynches and outnumber town by tomorrow. However, I'm willing to lend my vote in the town's aid, I'd rather side with the faction that can lend me aid when I need it Day 4, than a faction I cannot trust to help with my targets.

You might be wondering why I posted the above information, I'm just letting the town know that they need Saf and I on their side as much as we need them at the moment. If they don't accept our aid they risk losing the first time they mislynch from today, if they do accept it they face a chance of being able to mislynch 1-2 more times. Just food for thought

[jak111]

Sorry for double post, but I don't think I added the note to the paragraph about numbers. There's only 3-4 mafia, but those numbers are for if town decides to make 3rd party their enemy as well.

[DoomYoshi]

I don't think it is edocsil who is mentioned in the scene. However, with dimensional shifting, it is entirely plausible that a second busdriver switched things around. It is also possible, as jak pointed out, that jak was the character mentioned in the scene. The thing is that we have already been proven 100% wrong about the scene once today. We assumed that edoc targetted Mr. S. We were wrong about edoc and we could very rightly be wrong about Mr. S too.

Another thing. If I am so wrong for voting Mr. Squirrel, why has nobody else pointed out that Mr. S is clear on NOBODY's lists so far? Apparently I am a douche for putting him on the possible suspects list, but he is not cleared, even on his own list.

[DoomYoshi]

Ok, disregard the last point. He was cleared on some lists.

[Iron Butterfly]

When is the deadline?

[Mr. Squirrel]

However, with dimensional shifting, it is entirely plausible that a second busdriver switched things around.

I don't know if you know this, but you should never ever have a game with more than one busdriver. It leads to so many screwy gray areas in the night actions.

I'm a little confused as to what you think about me actually. You seem to currently be focus firing against me, saying I am most certainly not cleared, but at the same time you don't seem to be accusing me of much.

You're all FOS'ing, and accusing each other of stuff, put your votes where your mouth is and lets actually find stuff out instead of relying on some scene that doesn't seem to be getting us anyplace new at the moment.

I haven't yet found a case worthy of my vote. Is that so bad?

[jak111]

I haven't yet found a case worthy of my vote. Is that so bad?

No, at least you make your stand point known. I mean people who are putting FOS on people, yet not doing anything about it. It's like we're in a political debate here. Everyone is trashing the government yet they don't have the balls to stand up against them (I won't go too much into this example otherwise you'd be reading for paragraphs). But seriously, make a stand if you truly believe either someone is sketchy or try to get information by force if you must. Otherwise we seem like a bunch of grannies sipping tea while watching the news network and criticizing everything and everyone in the stories that pop up on it.

(Now.. I wanna use more examples but I'll save them for ammo ;P)

But do you get what I mean?

[jonty125]

Who I FOS- Tails, Jonty, Doom, Sheild
The second group people may not all be mafia or guilty but their game play suggests they are laying low.

I would hardly say I've been laying low; but that's your opinion.

Do you thionk the night scene involves edoscil?

I'm pretty sure you and me had this debate, not so long ago and you said this

The scene does not suggest it was Edoscil.

Care to explain the sudden change in thought? FOS IB, until he responds.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Spiesr could be correct. The point is that there is no proof that Mr. Squirrel was actually the target of a kill last night.

Other than that spiesr confirmed he was the large bodyguard in the scene, so either spiesr is a) mistaken or b) lying. Take your pick.

-Tails

[ShaggyDan]

I don't have much free time over the next few or last couple days, but just some thoughts over the last few pages.

I'm getting town vibes off Iron Butterfly, he seems to be looking at the scene flavour in a way to highlight more possibilities for mafia to hide behind edoc.

Mr. Squirrel seems to have only posted to clarify the situation over the last few pages, something which I am a fan of but he hasn't put any views forward. At the very least he's presenting facts but I'd like to see more opinions or FOS... so FoS Mr. S.

None of the above has an icnredible amount of bearing... but it's at the stage now we have to put everything out, even weak cases and FOS's.

So much of the last 10 - 15 pages is flavour spec and the issue with the third party. I struggle to find anything worth pursueing with a quick re-read.

Despite everything I'm very tempted to vote neb... the post restriction thing is problamatic now and later it is going to only get worse. It may be a by product of the limited number of posts but I've felt he's being intentionally neutral about a lot of issues.

So Vote Neb

I also don't have a chance to thouroughly re-read... is anyone horrendusly inactive or are most people posting? That could be a lead.

Will do my best for a thorough re-read in the near future... can't guarantee though. Sorry guys but I put my 2c out at least.

[Iron Butterfly]

Who I FOS- Tails, Jonty, Doom, Sheild
The second group people may not all be mafia or guilty but their game play suggests they are laying low.

I would hardly say I've been laying low; but that's your opinion.

Do you thionk the night scene involves edoscil?

I'm pretty sure you and me had this debate, not so long ago and you said this

The scene does not suggest it was Edoscil.

Care to explain the sudden change in thought? FOS IB, until he responds.

Vote Jonty

Time to make a stand. I have had you on my radar for awhile. My quotes are used out of the context of their intent.
I asked Doom, "Do you think the night scene involves edoscil?" I was trying to find out if he still felt Edoscil was still a possibility.
It has been my beleif from the beggining that whoever was the "stealthy killer" was more then happy to have the attention focused on Edoscil. From the beggining you have openly challanged me on that theory.

I have been the one to show how and why Edocsil was not the killer. I have also been the one to show that there may be four people during the nightscene. While some may argue that as irrelevent, it in fact gives our flavor cop a wider net to cast as a "Guard wearing armor" is a lot different flavor wise then a "big man".

There has never been a SUDDEN change of thought. Asking that question of Doom does not imply any such thing and for you to suggest it gets my vote.

[jonty125]

Who I FOS- Tails, Jonty, Doom, Sheild
The second group people may not all be mafia or guilty but their game play suggests they are laying low.

I would hardly say I've been laying low; but that's your opinion.

Do you thionk the night scene involves edoscil?

I'm pretty sure you and me had this debate, not so long ago and you said this

The scene does not suggest it was Edoscil.

Care to explain the sudden change in thought? FOS IB, until he responds.

Vote Jonty

Time to make a stand. I have had you on my radar for awhile. My quotes are used out of the context of their intent.
I asked Doom, "Do you think the night scene involves edoscil?" I was trying to find out if he still felt Edoscil was still a possibility.
It has been my beleif from the beggining that whoever was the "stealthy killer" was more then happy to have the attention focused on Edoscil. From the beggining you have openly challanged me on that theory.

I have been the one to show how and why Edocsil was not the killer. I have also been the one to show that there may be four people during the nightscene. While some may argue that as irrelevent, it in fact gives our flavor cop a wider net to cast as a "Guard wearing armor" is a lot different flavor wise then a "big man".

There has never been a SUDDEN change of thought. Asking that question of Doom does not imply any such thing and for you to suggest it gets my vote.

I know this WIFOM and looks like OMGUS; but you do seem to be very defensive IB over your comments IB.

When I saw you ask the question, I thought we've had this debate once, and by asking the question, I thought you were offering that your stance was weak and shiftable and I saw it as scummy the flip-flopping.

[Iron Butterfly]

Call me whatever you want. Our posts are on the record for others to look at. I stated you were on my short list and have no regrets about my vote.

[DoomYoshi]

Deadline is today or Monday (I can't remember). vote jonty.

There was no change of thought and jonty's reply evidences that he isn't even willing to do a careful read of IB's posts.

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Deadline is Sunday night/Monday morning, upon clock change.
I'm not really sure I understand any of the cases being put forward honestly, need to see a vote count and look back.