Too many Items Mafia (4/14) Endgame: I Confess

[crazymilkshake5]

Color is not alignment, nothing of use is shown in lynch scenes.

The towns people gather in Downtown Woodstock to discuss current events

Hey! Hows it going?

Pretty good, you?

Been better, all that my brother does is freaking sleep all day. It makes me so mad.

A stranger appears to have over heard this conversation.

The stranger follows Mr. Red back to his house, where he finds his brother sleeping, just like Mr. Red said.

As the stranger pulls off the decorative battle ax off of the wall Reds brother starts to wake up.

Who in the hell are you?

Me? i'm the tooth fairy!

You dont look like the tooth fairy.

Santa?

nope.

just a random stranger in your house?

Hearing this Reds brother freaks out and has a heart attack and dies.

Happyfeet has been lynched!

show: who was he

Its night, you have 48 hours to send me your night actions.

NO TALKING!

[crazymilkshake5]

All was calm in the city of Woodstock. Except for one house.

The Robber that snuck into the house yesterday, gave the ax away.

The person who he gave the ax to, Just happened to be a murderer, so he broke into a house, and chopped the owner to bits.

Sending the whole town to figure out who done it.

show: who died

Day 1 starts! with 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch

[spiesr]

All was calm in the city of Woodstock. Except for one house.

The Robber that snuck into the house yesterday, gave the ax away.

The person who he gave the ax to, Just happened to be a murderer, so he broke into a house, and chopped the owner to bits.

Sending the whole town to figure out who done it.

Well, I couldn't find anything that said if the scenes would be pure fluff or somehow based off of actually events. If it is based off of events then today's agenda will be pretty straightforward. (Have the robber come forwards and tells us who he gave the axe too, then lynch that person.)
Anyhow, Perhsy, did you find anything interesting last night?

[zimmah]

judging by the scene, someone would know who the killer is. and it seems like some item stealer who can grant items to others.

the question is, is the item stealer town, mafia or 3rd party?

if town (or third party and friendly) it may be best to claim and point us the killer.

if the stealer is mafia, than we have a hard time to decide what to do.

[Yomiel]

My item was stolen.;-; But too bad for whoever stole it-it's relatively useless.: P

[zimmah]

My item was stolen.;-; But too bad for whoever stole it-it's relatively useless.: P

the item stolen in the scene was an axe, and was used to kill someone. yet, you claim to have had an item that was useless.

so, i assume you did not have the axe, and there were two thieves? or something about your story does not add up.

could it be that items have other uses in other peoples hands? like items that have multiple functions, but depending on the owner, the item works differently?

[Yomiel]

It says the Robber gave the Ax away, so maybe he did so to keep my item? But that would still be really strange. Why keep my item over an Ax? And why give an Ax away? Or maybe he is forced to give away his current item when he steals a new one? Honestly, I don't get it either. The host just said I no longer have my item.

[zimmah]

It says the Robber gave the Ax away, so maybe he did so to keep my item? But that would still be really strange. Why keep my item over an Ax? And why give an Ax away? Or maybe he is forced to give away his current item when he steals a new one? Honestly, I don't get it either. The host just said I no longer have my item.

the wording also implies he stole an axe, as the scene says he gave 'the' axe away.

[spiesr]

It says the Robber gave the Ax away, so maybe he did so to keep my item? But that would still be really strange. Why keep my item over an Ax? And why give an Ax away? Or maybe he is forced to give away his current item when he steals a new one? Honestly, I don't get it either. The host just said I no longer have my item.

When were you notified of said item's disappearance? The axe from the scenes appears to have been taken during Day 1. If yours was taken overnight it might indicate that it was a separate entity involved.

[Iron Butterfly]

My item was stolen.;-; But too bad for whoever stole it-it's relatively useless.: P

If it is relatively useless then tell us what it was. There would be no reason for you to keep this info to yourself.

[jonty125]

My interptation is Robber [probably the same mecahnsim as a thief role] stole item [axe] on D1 [see Lynch 1 scene]. He gave it away [N1], the receiver [bad guy] killed Neb.

FASTPOSTED

[vodean]

the scene seemed to indicate that he GAVE it to someone who was a killer. axe-giver, who did you give it to? that way we can figure out who is a killer... or does that sound too easy?

[Iron Butterfly]

*COUGH* help...*cough*...feel...dizzy...cant think...someone gave...*cough*...throat burning...head hurt...Paralllyz........

[Yomiel]

I lost it during the Night.

I'm not sure I CAN say what it is. Part of what made the item so useless was all the restrictions placed on it's use. I can't recall if one of them was not saying what it was in the thread.

[spiesr]

*COUGH* help...*cough*...feel...dizzy...cant think...someone gave...*cough*...throat burning...head hurt...Paralllyz........

Umm what?

I lost it during the Night.

I'm not sure I CAN say what it is. Part of what made the item so useless was all the restrictions placed on it's use. I can't recall if one of them was not saying what it was in the thread.

It is a good thing then, that finding this out is as simply as looking back through your pms. Or if you lost it so some foolish reason, just pming the mod and asking.

[vodean]

*COUGH* help...*cough*...feel...dizzy...cant think...someone gave...*cough*...throat burning...head hurt...Paralllyz........

Umm what?

I lost it during the Night.

I'm not sure I CAN say what it is. Part of what made the item so useless was all the restrictions placed on it's use. I can't recall if one of them was not saying what it was in the thread.

It is a good thing then, that finding this out is as simply as looking back through your pms. Or if you lost it so some foolish reason, just pming the mod and asking.

IB, i think you need to clarify that statement...
yomiel... please just look it up. that way you would be contributing for once

[Epitaph1]

If yomiel did not have an ax (@yomiel, can you at least confirm that your item was NOT an ax?) then we must have at least more than 1 thief given the scene. It's possible that the mafia is a band of thieves.

[Yomiel]

I think I was pretty clear that it wasn't the ax... Anyway, the host told me I can say, and it was a walkie-talkie. One half of the item would get passed around, and we would get to decide who lost their half. But we're not allowed to say who we are or what our role is on it, and if we try to say something that hints at either, the host removes it. So, we both pretty much ignored it. There wasn't any upside to having it under those conditions.

[pershy]

Interesting. I can confirm that I checked out Neb as I was suspicious of him and he had a walkie talkie. I don't know anything else but this could verify some of what Yomiel is saying. Why he would have a walkie talkie I don't know, but it seems that he could be masoned? Even though his character was not revealed to be a mason. Yomiel is hinting at something. This clears him a little in my eyes, unless there's some way of him knowing that as mafia. Hang on a minute Yomiel. Are you saying you lost a walkie talkie? I'm confused. Why would you have lost it to Neb if he was VT? Or did you lose something else? Maybe more than one people have walkie talkies if you're saying you had one and lost it. All I can bring to the conversation is that Neb was a walkie talkie carrier. I thought it was going to be useless info but it might lead somewhere.

[Yomiel]

I'm actually pretty sure Neb was the person who had the other one. Though we weren't allowed to reveal who we were, the host did say we could let eachother in on our identities in the thread if she didn't realize we were doing it. He kept saying "Can you hear me now?", so I'd assumed it was him. But he gave up his half before he died, so I don't know what happened to mine.

[jonty125]

Interesting. I can confirm that I checked out Neb as I was suspicious of him and he had a walkie talkie. I don't know anything else but this could verify some of what Yomiel is saying. Why he would have a walkie talkie I don't know, but it seems that he could be masoned? Even though his character was not revealed to be a mason. Yomiel is hinting at something. This clears him a little in my eyes, unless there's some way of him knowing that as mafia. Hang on a minute Yomiel. Are you saying you lost a walkie talkie? I'm confused. Why would you have lost it to Neb if he was VT? Or did you lose something else? Maybe more than one people have walkie talkies if you're saying you had one and lost it. All I can bring to the conversation is that Neb was a walkie talkie carrier. I thought it was going to be useless info but it might lead somewhere.

So D1, Yomiel did have a walkie talkie and lost it
N1, pershy investiagtes Neb who has the other

More than likely masons, maybe they'll get bonus flavour about who killed the other i.e. Iron kill Neb. Yomiel has the other walkie talkie and hears Iron shouting "PARALYSE", just a suggestion

[vodean]

or the alternative... and this is rather WIFOM... is that pershy and yomiel are scum and saw a great opportunity to get clear. kill neb, say you looked into him, so you confirm eachother's stories and prove eachother as town.

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I wonder what happens to dead people's items?
Well at least this give us more evidence to work with, since now we know whomever has the ax is the murderer, even if the thief is unwilling to come forward.

[spiesr]

My interpretation of the walkie talkie deal. Based on Yomiel's claim it appears that: Yomiel and Nebuchadnezzar both had a walkie talkie item. This item allowed them some form of limited communication. (From the sound of it, it seems as if their messages had to be sent through the mod.) Yomiel is claiming a lot of restrictions on what you could say with it, which in my opinion severely hamper the potential usefulness. Additionally, he says that the owners of these items could choose to voluntarily give up their item, passing it to another player. (Yomiel, if you gave up the walkie talkie could you choose you got it next, or was it "random.")
One thing to keep in mind about all of this, is that this claim itself doesn't clear Yomiel as being town. There isn't any reason why an owner of this pseudo mason item couldn't be scum.

[thehippo8]

This statement from Yomiel ...

My item was stolen.

... does not easily mesh with this statement ...

The host just said I no longer have my item

... or this statement ...

I lost it during the Night.

I suspect that Yomiel's loss of the item has nothing to do with the robber. It seems more likely that it was taken from him by the "host" which I assume means the mod of this game.
My conclusion is that Yomiel and his walkie-talkie are a red herring and can be safely ignored.

So let's scroll back up.

Color is not alignment, nothing of use is shown in lynch scenes.

Notwithstanding that, Spiesr says ...

All was calm in the city of Woodstock. Except for one house.

The Robber that snuck into the house yesterday, gave the ax away.

The person who he gave the ax to, Just happened to be a murderer, so he broke into a house, and chopped the owner to bits.

Sending the whole town to figure out who done it.

Well, I couldn't find anything that said if the scenes would be pure fluff or somehow based off of actually events. If it is based off of events then today's agenda will be pretty straightforward. (Have the robber come forwards and tells us who he gave the axe too, then lynch that person.)
Anyhow, Perhsy, did you find anything interesting last night?

And thus we are on this crusade.

Spiesr uses the logical ... if ... then ... approach. His premise is based on the suggestion that the night scenes are meaningful even though the lych scenes are not. Just to humour Spiesr for a moment ...

• The night scene follows the day scene. There is a reference to the robber who went into Mr Red's house (Neb's house). This is the same robber who stole the ax(sic) from Mr Red's house causing Mr Red's brother to have a heart attack (Happyfeet). The robber then leaves the house and hands the ax(sic) to his mate the murderer. The murderer then murders Mr Red (Neb). All very simple and logical. Find the robber and get him to squeal who his mate is and you can kill the murderer ... right? Only problem with this logic is that the flavour would be the robber and the murderer are both scum (kind of logical given their descriptions) so rather a waste of time t expect one to squeal on the other!

Speisr's next comment is ...

It says the Robber gave the Ax away, so maybe he did so to keep my item? But that would still be really strange. Why keep my item over an Ax? And why give an Ax away? Or maybe he is forced to give away his current item when he steals a new one? Honestly, I don't get it either. The host just said I no longer have my item.

When were you notified of said item's disappearance? The axe from the scenes appears to have been taken during Day 1. If yours was taken overnight it might indicate that it was a separate entity involved.

• Or no entity at all other than the mod. Or he is lying that he ever had a walkie-talkie or if he had one whether or not he lost it. Assuming he's telling the truth then this is another wild goose chase from Spiesr.

Spiesr's next comment is fluff. Heis final comment today thus far is ...

My interpretation of the walkie talkie deal. Based on Yomiel's claim it appears that: Yomiel and Nebuchadnezzar both had a walkie talkie item. This item allowed them some form of limited communication. (From the sound of it, it seems as if their messages had to be sent through the mod.) Yomiel is claiming a lot of restrictions on what you could say with it, which in my opinion severely hamper the potential usefulness. Additionally, he says that the owners of these items could choose to voluntarily give up their item, passing it to another player. (Yomiel, if you gave up the walkie talkie could you choose you got it next, or was it "random.")
One thing to keep in mind about all of this, is that this claim itself doesn't clear Yomiel as being town. There isn't any reason why an owner of this pseudo mason item couldn't be scum.

This is a rather heavy scum tell in my book. In the one breath Spiesr says that Yomiel is likely town or a mason (third party) yet in the next breath ... let's lynch him. This is sheeping at its worst.

But before I end there, I want to return to day one briefly.

You may remember that spiesr said this ...

funny how you keep saying i'm silencing you from your case, yet you never presented any in the first place. and besides, let's assume you DID have a (solid) case on anyone, wouldn't i just make it worse for both myself ánd whoever i'm 'protecting' if i made such a fuzz about you? think about it, do i look that stupid to you?

Zimmah is basically making a strawman argument here. I don't believe that Pershy, or anyone else, ever really indicated that he thought Zimmah was trying to tie him up by making a case on him so he couldn't make a case a against a scum mat or something.

i believe this is one of the best day 1 cases i have ever seen in fact. it's way up there at least, tell me if i'm wrong.

This is interesting. It seems to me like you are tying to win support for your case by simply saying it is awesome, and in my opinion you aren't really able to back this claim up at all. This case has non-trivial flaws that pershy has pointed out, and which you seem to be completely missing the point of.

Isn't Spiesr now doing exactly what he was sayign Zimmah shouldn't be doing?

And just in case you forgot my day 1 case against Spiesr (which seems to have been ignored) ...

unvote vote spiesr because you were the last one to post

We are currently crawling towards actual discussion. It would be nice if you would join us and contribute in a meaningful way instead of just continuing to make jokes.

Unvote vote spiesr ... jokevote stage is designed to bring out scumminess. Jokevote stage is officially over (for me anyway). That was one of the scummiest comments I've seen in a long time. Defensive, unnecessary, finger-pointy, pious, rediculous, smarmy, high-flalutent, finger-pointing, obfuscatory, all round scummy. The Vodean and Ymiel stuff is fluff but your response is scum on the nose. You want discussion? Discuss!