A single world government?

[spurgistan]

1 government is better then 300 different governments

less flags to burn and fight over

question is which government? Democrasy or Dictatorship doesnt work.Communism would require the whole world working for earth.
Socialism would always be nice.

Well, if there is a democratically elected assembly, I'd say that it's probably going to be a democracy. Just speculation.

[GustavusAdolphus]

It's not that simple. It would take months to develop a plan and years to institute it. A LOT of people would also oppose it, saying that they are not fairly represented. Plus, there's no way that most of the richer and more advanced (former) countries are going to want to be in an assembly where they can get outvoted by third-world nations. On top of that, you will have a massive problem with cultural and linguistic differences. It would be nice, but it's not going to happen anytime soon.

[unriggable]

It's not that simple. It would take months to develop a plan and years to institute it. A LOT of people would also oppose it, saying that they are not fairly represented. Plus, there's no way that most of the richer and more advanced (former) countries are going to want to be in an assembly where they can get outvoted by third-world nations. On top of that, you will have a massive problem with cultural and linguistic differences. It would be nice, but it's not going to happen anytime soon.

I am against it, although I am for a much stronger UN

[dwightschrute]

it wont happen im against it

[flashleg8]

As an internationalist I support this idea. I've always believed the idea of a federated Europe as the logical next step for the EEC, as this would lead to greater harmony and less conflict over trade and resources. This UN idea would be an order of magnitude greater than that.
Thanks for bringing it to my attention Stopper. I think I'll be signing up to its campaign (once I read more into it).
As for the type of government, I'm sure it could be achieved through international socialist movements, or a COMINTERN if you will

[vtmarik]

I believe the catalyst for forming a global government would be either contact or war with another planet.

All the petty differences we have will vanish when it comes down that we are all equally likely of being wiped out by alien attack.

I believe that, in The Watchmen, one of the heroes hijacks an alien spacecraft and attacks several key capital cities around the world in order to jumpstart the earth into world peace.

[Nephilim]

.....and with this thread, stopper cements his position as CC's MVP, most valuable poster. always interesting, keep it up....

[2dimes]

I agree there should also be the unified currency which for those dumbasses means 1 currency for the whole world

And if that happened the world would be so much more happy because they'ld be no use for nuclear weapons as there is no countries that could have them

Your logic is flawed; how does universal currency end nuclear armaments?

One country = nobody to attack.

Maybe when we discover life on other planets it will give us a reason to unite against them as one big planet. But then, what would happen to all the god-believers. Is it possible that god created 2 planets? OMG ;/

Pfft! I just looked out the window. I don't see any other planets.

[2dimes]

God created the alien in his pet Zorgwaf's image.

O RLY?! cite me the passage that says that you heathen!

Genesis 15:1 And so came the Zorgwaffles upon the Earth in their heavenly tripods, for they were created in the image of our LORD's pet.

Note: This hasn't been added yet. Give it a couple years.

Just borrow some crayons, viola!

[Aegnor]

Pfft! I just looked out the window. I don't see any other planets.

Yeah you're probably right. Telescopes are just a conspiracy made up by heathens.

[2dimes]

Pfft! I just looked out the window. I don't see any other planets.

Yeah you're probably right. Telescopes are just a conspiracy made up by heathens.

Testify!!

[2dimes]

I agree there should also be the unified currency which for those dumbasses means 1 currency for the whole world

I'm sorry, but that wont work. Due to each country have different PPP, and the average wages, and different economic strengths, the currency will quickly fall into disarray. People already say the Euro is failing because it covers an area which is too large(which imo isn true), but if there was once currency, it wudn work due to the povery and poornees of Africa and South America against the wealth of the west is just too great. The only reason why the dollar and euro stand strong is because most the places within their areas are of similar strength and prosperity.

I think once the physical currencies are removed the different economic positions would be the same as now. Instead of using a seperate currency it would just all be one. Add infinate decimal places and it would be sort of the same as it is now.

Instead of using one million units of worthless currancy to buy a bag of cheesys in the impovrished country (state, provence or what ever they will be called.) you would now use. 0.0000007 and the average days wage there would be 0.0000020.

They would still be poor and local goods would be priced acordingly.

As a tourist you would still buy things there for pennies you just won't have to exchange your dollars/euros/pounds for rupies/pesos/central african francs or what ever.

Also because tax will be spread world wide and impossible to avoid due to every transaction being tracked it will probably go down significantly in most places.

It will be terrific and everyone will worship the guy that makes it happen.

[Stopper]

I believe the catalyst for forming a global government would be either contact or war with another planet.

All the petty differences we have will vanish when it comes down that we are all equally likely of being wiped out by alien attack.

Excellent. This is the sort of thing I can't talk about anywhere except the internet, for fear of being thought a whacko. This unifying-the-human-race-in-the-face-of-an-alien-threat scenario is exactly why I have SETI@home set up on my computer.

EDIT: I just re-read this, and I realised this could be interpreted as being sarcastic. Just to say, I'm not being sarcastic.

[Titanic]

I believe the catalyst for forming a global government would be either contact or war with another planet.

All the petty differences we have will vanish when it comes down that we are all equally likely of being wiped out by alien attack.

Excellent. This is the sort of thing I can't talk about anywhere except the internet, for fear of being thought a whacko. This unifying-the-human-race-in-the-face-of-an-alien-threat scenario is exactly why I have SETI@home set up on my computer.

EDIT: I just re-read this, and I realised this could be interpreted as being sarcastic. Just to say, I'm not being sarcastic.

Yer same here. People would think I'm wierd if I said it in RL, but the only thing which would unify the human race is a different race which is a threat to civilisation. If we defeat them, we would probably go back to the old arguaments anyway, just its against a world governemnt, not a nation-state.

[flashleg8]

I believe the catalyst for forming a global government would be either contact or war with another planet.

All the petty differences we have will vanish when it comes down that we are all equally likely of being wiped out by alien attack.

Excellent. This is the sort of thing I can't talk about anywhere except the internet, for fear of being thought a whacko. This unifying-the-human-race-in-the-face-of-an-alien-threat scenario is exactly why I have SETI@home set up on my computer.

EDIT: I just re-read this, and I realised this could be interpreted as being sarcastic. Just to say, I'm not being sarcastic.

Yer same here. People would think I'm wierd if I said it in RL, but the only thing which would unify the human race is a different race which is a threat to civilisation. If we defeat them, we would probably go back to the old arguaments anyway, just its against a world governemnt, not a nation-state.

Weirdoes.


Just joking. I remember (through the hangovers of morning classes) in my astronomy class at university there is a rule created to class civilisations. For the life of me I can't remember the guys name (maybe someone else has heard of it) but it was created in the anticipation of contacting civilisations on other planets.
It goes roughly like this:
Class 1 planets would have intelligent life with no more than tribal communities with little knowledge of each other only neighboring tribes.
Class 2 planets have a medieval style regional form of government with each government being in contact with governments continental wide.
Class 3 planets have large countries governing themselves but all governments with the capability of contacting all other governments (This would be us by the way).
Class 4 planets would have a united world government.

I think I may have the numbering system wrong, and I think the scale continues up into solar system wide and above civilisations but you get the general idea.
The rule predicts that all civilisations will tend towards a united planet wide government, its really just a question of their development time. Of course this is all speculation as we have no other civilisation to compare against.
Just thought someone might be interested in this. It caught my eye as its a bit like the march of history to a Marxist like myself

[Jenos Ridan]

1 government is better then 300 different governments

less flags to burn and fight over

question is which government? Democrasy or Dictatorship doesnt work.Communism would require the whole world working for earth.
Socialism would always be nice.

Agreed, the fewer nations, the better. One world government is highly impractical at this time. If we were to start one, a representative federated democracy (IE: a Federal Republic by definition). Maybe a global confederation. Democracy only fails when a) the citizens fail to do their civic duties and to partake in the governance of their nation and b) when their is way too much internal strife.

[Jenos Ridan]

still be religion to cause wars though

I have a friend who says that, fundamentally, all the major religions (Judism, Islam, Christianity, Buddhism and Hinduism) all say the same thing. So, by his logic, if we can get all of them to agree on the point that there is a supernatural truth that the holy wars will end, because they would all be right (War is a an acronym; W.e A.re .Right! And a 'holier-than-thou to that and you get crusades and jihads). I firmly believe that either we pick one or we should abolish all; end the debate on it cold either way.

[Jenos Ridan]

I agree there should also be the unified currency which for those dumbasses means 1 currency for the whole world

And if that happened the world would be so much more happy because they'ld be no use for nuclear weapons as there is no countries that could have them

Your logic is flawed; how does universal currency end nuclear armaments?

One country = nobody to attack.

Maybe when we discover life on other planets it will give us a reason to unite against them as one big planet. But then, what would happen to all the god-believers. Is it possible that god created 2 planets? OMG ;/

I think nothing much would happen. Sure, a few wackos will view these 'aliens' as demons and devil-spawn, but most will see the discovery as merely another one of God's manifold mysteries revealed.

[Jenos Ridan]

It's not that simple. It would take months to develop a plan and years to institute it. A LOT of people would also oppose it, saying that they are not fairly represented. Plus, there's no way that most of the richer and more advanced (former) countries are going to want to be in an assembly where they can get outvoted by third-world nations. On top of that, you will have a massive problem with cultural and linguistic differences. It would be nice, but it's not going to happen anytime soon.

All good points. The best comparison would be how the Founding Fathers wrote the US Constitution, look it up. Yes, I'm a proud american and I feel the world could use our imput, but not that ours is the only source to draw from.

[Anarchist]

1 government is better then 300 different governments

less flags to burn and fight over

question is which government? Democrasy or Dictatorship doesnt work.Communism would require the whole world working for earth.
Socialism would always be nice.

Agreed, the fewer nations, the better. One world government is highly impractical at this time. If we were to start one, a representative federated democracy (IE: a Federal Republic by definition). Maybe a global confederation. Democracy only fails when a) the citizens fail to do their civic duties and to partake in the governance of their nation and b) when their is way too much internal strife.

I agree with what you said on religion too.

I would however say the biggest issue tends to be liberal vs. conservative.
It tends to keep the United States at a social stand still never accomplishing anything, greed keeps them argueing.
Then we can always look East and ask ourselves what in the world are they thinking?

Should the world be conservative and;
Control what people watch
Control what people believe
support prejudice
Kill a woman when she is raped
Charge people for public affection
etc....
-or-
Should the world go liberal
and allow everyone to live under their own discretion
become uniterian
give everyone equal rights
etc....
-and- areas inbetween?

Flashleg, im not sure what your refering to... theres a Futurist classification that refers to...
Class 1 planet- can control the weather
Class 2 planet- can leave its own solar system(guessing on that one)

Not sure if its related at all....

[Jenos Ridan]

1 government is better then 300 different governments

less flags to burn and fight over

question is which government? Democrasy or Dictatorship doesnt work.Communism would require the whole world working for earth.
Socialism would always be nice.

Agreed, the fewer nations, the better. One world government is highly impractical at this time. If we were to start one, a representative federated democracy (IE: a Federal Republic by definition). Maybe a global confederation. Democracy only fails when a) the citizens fail to do their civic duties and to partake in the governance of their nation and b) when their is way too much internal strife.

I agree with what you said on religion too.

I would however say the biggest issue tends to be liberal vs. conservative.
It tends to keep the United States at a social stand still never accomplishing anything, greed keeps them argueing.
Then we can always look East and ask ourselves what in the world are they thinking?

Should the world be conservative and;
Control what people watch
Control what people believe
support prejudice
Kill a woman when she is raped
Charge people for public affection
etc....
-or-
Should the world go liberal
and allow everyone to live under their own discretion
become uniterian
give everyone equal rights
etc....
-and- areas inbetween?

Flashleg, im not sure what your refering to... theres a Futurist classification that refers to...
Class 1 planet- can control the weather
Class 2 planet- can leave its own solar system(guessing on that one)

Not sure if its related at all....

At the part you agree with me on, just remember it came from the mind of a christian.

As for the debate, keep it. It will weed out the bad, foolhardy and just plain stupid ideas. Freedom of Speech, Believe and Press are going to be essential to this notion of a Global State (sorry marxists, no state control of the media), as well as freedoms of property and protections of basic human rights. All a very good and noble idea.

But the sad truth is we will never see it come to fruition. Either the Rapture and Tribulation will occur in the near future, WWIII will end in nuclear holocaust or the earth will get invaded by the oddly-shaped inhabitants of some far off planet long before any headway is made.

[Anarchist]

there is also the theory of the great war, not to be taken lightly

somehow i dont think a conservative world government will work,
too many people telling everyone how to live it would be close to equilibrium i would imagine.

Nuclear war- makes you wish the extremists still used swords...

[Stopper]

Flashleg, im not sure what your refering to... theres a Futurist classification that refers to...
Class 1 planet- can control the weather
Class 2 planet- can leave its own solar system(guessing on that one)

Not sure if its related at all....

I forgot about this - I thought it might be the Kardashev scale, as well, which is what you seem to be referring to.

But that scale is based on the amount of energy that a civilization can harness, not its political organization.

[Anarchist]

thanks for the link, thats it.

agreed though im sure political organisation effects the scale(advanced)

[alex_white101]

i could not see there being a single world government, for one thing imagine the amount of recounts of votes! it would be anightmare and almost definately fiddled! plus who could say they would vote for someone of another nationality to head this governement? i certainly wouldnt. for example if a westerner were elected they would implement policies that would favour them rather than those poor countries (which of course is currently happening) but equally if someone from africa for example were appointed there policies would obviously be biased towards achieving goals that africans want (these would almost definately be better for the majorit of the world than if a westerner were appointed) and so would almost certainly cause conflict.

the single currency is equally flawed due to reasons said before. also the central banks of each country lose basically all control over there monetary policies. so for example if inflation were very high in one country, they would wish to increase interest rates (in order to encourage savings and discourage spending and borrowing) HOWEVER if all other countries in the single currency are experiancing very low inflation/deflation they would wish the interest rate to be lowered. therefore causing a split which will ultimately force countries out of the single currency as there economy suffers.

i hope that i explained that ok and what i was saying came across clearly enough to be understood!