HP: fight for freedom. Game over. Wizards won.

by **Nebuchadnezer** on Thu May 31, 2012 7:43 pm

Alright, I can talk myself in circles forever. I'd said I'd vote after getting TAILS green part...

VOTE Iron Butterfly

I don't like it at all...someone if duping us big time.

by **spiesr** on Thu May 31, 2012 9:15 pm

Nebuchadnezer wrote:4. Chapcrap – claims JOAT, but can’t accept his own investigation of Iron as “not a wizard”, when Strike clearly state the three options of “wizard” “not a wizard” and “death eater.”

Strike has changed and now says that the only options are "wizard" and "not a wizard."

by **Iron Butterfly** on Thu May 31, 2012 10:52 pm

spiesr wrote:
Nebuchadnezer wrote:4. Chapcrap – claims JOAT, but can’t accept his own investigation of Iron as “not a wizard”, when Strike clearly state the three options of “wizard” “not a wizard” and “death eater.”
Strike has changed and now says that the only options are "wizard" and "not a wizard."

Why would he change his story?

by **freezie** on Thu May 31, 2012 11:53 pm

Vote count:

Everywhere(1): Iron

Chapcrap(2): McHammer, Dj

L-1 Iron Butterfly(4): Chapcrap, Spiesr, Strike wolf, Everywhere, Neb

10 alive, 6 to lynch. Deadline still in action.

by **chapcrap** on Fri Jun 01, 2012 12:21 am

Iron Butterfly wrote:
spiesr wrote:
Nebuchadnezer wrote:4. Chapcrap – claims JOAT, but can’t accept his own investigation of Iron as “not a wizard”, when Strike clearly state the three options of “wizard” “not a wizard” and “death eater.”
Strike has changed and now says that the only options are "wizard" and "not a wizard."

Why would he change his story?

Because he asked freezie to clarify.

Also, you missed my night 4 action where I used my ability and saw strike visit Neb.

by **Iron Butterfly** on Fri Jun 01, 2012 9:58 am

I am NOT a cop., which should have been obvious. I have not had the need to constantly speak to Freezie this game and he would not go into detail.

I find it odd that we have you, myself, strike wolf and although DJ hasn't said so seems to imply he is a back up.

by **Nebuchadnezer** on Fri Jun 01, 2012 12:15 pm

chapcrap wrote:
Iron Butterfly wrote:
spiesr wrote:
Nebuchadnezer wrote:4. Chapcrap – claims JOAT, but can’t accept his own investigation of Iron as “not a wizard”, when Strike clearly state the three options of “wizard” “not a wizard” and “death eater.”
Strike has changed and now says that the only options are "wizard" and "not a wizard."

Why would he change his story?

Because he asked freezie to clarify.

Also, you missed my night 4 action where I used my ability and saw strike visit Neb.

Well, how could I have ever missed that? What iteration of your night actions was that given on? Honestly, Chap, I'm pretending you don't actually have any night actions anymore. If Iron turns out to be town, I'm more than happy to lynch you tomorrow.

by **Iron Butterfly** on Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:31 pm

First we have no idea what Strikes actions are or the conversation he had with freezie.

We do know that the only results he has gotten is "wizard"

He has not gotten "not a wizard" or "Deatheater"

Chap has no idea what Freezie said to Wolf and we have no idea why Wolf changed his tune as he did/would not say.

by **strike wolf** on Fri Jun 01, 2012 3:11 pm

Excuse me? what? I told you why I had gotten my original possible results because I had asked Freezie what they were. When I said what they were and Freezie saw it. He IMed me and corrected me that "death eater" wasnt' a valid result. I said this so please stop skimming.

by **Iron Butterfly** on Fri Jun 01, 2012 3:42 pm

strike wolf wrote:Excuse me? what? I told you why I had gotten my original possible results because I had asked Freezie what they were. When I said what they were and Freezie saw it. He IMed me and corrected me that "death eater" wasnt' a valid result. I said this so please stop skimming.

Out of all your investigations how many have come up "not a wizard" or "Deatheater"?

by **strike wolf** on Fri Jun 01, 2012 3:53 pm

Sorry. I misunderstood your intent. I thought you were claiming I had never talked to freezie aobut possible results. You still don't seem to understand that I did explain why I changed my tune however.

by **Iron Butterfly** on Fri Jun 01, 2012 7:07 pm

strike wolf wrote:Sorry. I misunderstood your intent. I thought you were claiming I had never talked to freezie aobut possible results. You still don't seem to understand that I did explain why I changed my tune however.

Refresh my memory. Humor me.

by **strike wolf** on Fri Jun 01, 2012 7:14 pm

strike wolf wrote:Excuse me? what? I told you why I had gotten my original possible results because I had asked Freezie what they were. When I said what they were and Freezie saw it. He IMed me and corrected me that "death eater" wasnt' a valid result. I said this so please stop skimming.

OR you could try reading up two posts.

by **Iron Butterfly** on Fri Jun 01, 2012 10:47 pm

I did.

Why would Freezie as Mod offer his opinion on "Deatheater" to you?

Up until that point the only result you got was "wizard" and even you stated you may be a "naive" because all you got was wizard.

If you where naive he would not tell you you were naive even if you asked.

It seems odd that Freezie would interject his "correction"

Part of the game is figuring out our roles as we don't always have a clear picture.

Could you please tell me what question you asked of Freezie? Please be specific.
I don't believe that would be a mod kill action as you have already stated you PMd freezie and you have already said he emailed you back.

by **freezie** on Fri Jun 01, 2012 11:05 pm

/ just pmed me, he's sueing me for copyright issues on his '' play the mod mafia''.

Just saying.

by **chapcrap** on Fri Jun 01, 2012 11:13 pm

IB, strike has already answered these questions before when he brought the information forward. What's the point of you re-asking them?

by **Iron Butterfly** on Sat Jun 02, 2012 12:23 am

chapcrap wrote:IB, strike has already answered these questions before when he brought the information forward. What's the point of you re-asking them?

I am not talking to you.

I want to know specifically what he asked and how he asked it. He has told us in a general way.

I want to know why my results are not valid simply because they may not be an option for him?

Why did he ask the question if all he got was "wizard"

Wolf has gotten "wizard" several times.
Chap was successful once by getting "not a wizard"
I have only gotten "Deatheater"

None of us has anything to compare it to, which is why It bothers me.

If we went by Wolf Snapes would be Scott free as he is/was a wizard.
I may have been able to get Deatheater off of Snapes.

Why is it that Chap changed his result from "not a wizard" to "non-wizard"???

He got the results right?

by **strike wolf** on Sat Jun 02, 2012 1:19 am

You know what? Go look up the quotes yourself. I'm not going to have you ask me questions One at a time to things that have already been said.

by **chapcrap** on Sat Jun 02, 2012 2:07 am

Iron Butterfly wrote:
chapcrap wrote:IB, strike has already answered these questions before when he brought the information forward. What's the point of you re-asking them?

I am not talking to you.

I want to know specifically what he asked and how he asked it. He has told us in a general way.

I want to know why my results are not valid simply because they may not be an option for him?

Why did he ask the question if all he got was "wizard"

Wolf has gotten "wizard" several times.
Chap was successful once by getting "not a wizard"
I have only gotten "Deatheater"

None of us has anything to compare it to, which is why It bothers me.

If we went by Wolf Snapes would be Scott free as he is/was a wizard.
I may have been able to get Deatheater off of Snapes.

Why is it that Chap changed his result from "not a wizard" to "non-wizard"???

He got the results right?

I never changed my result. I said 'Not a wizard' from the beginning and have never said non-wizard. Don't make things up.

Also, it is still Snape, not Snapes.

Also, investigative roles regularly ask the mod what the possible results of their investigations are. I have seen strike do it before myself. This is nothing new or inventive as far as gameplay goes.

And everyone has already explained why you're results don't really work. It has to do with the fact that you allegedly got a result that doesn't match what other investigative roles can get AND the fact that with our two possible results, not a wizard points towards someone who is not town. You are drowning here and I can't believe that you haven't been lynched.

by **Iron Butterfly** on Sat Jun 02, 2012 8:06 am

You seem to be the only one arguing. If its not important and been said before why are you so up tight?

Why would Wolf get "non-wizard" and you "not a wizard"?

by **chapcrap** on Sat Jun 02, 2012 9:46 am

I'm the only one saying anything because everyone else has just given up arguing with you. I think if you read what strike said, you can understand that.

by **mc05025** on Sat Jun 02, 2012 10:38 am

As there is nothing new to discuss, tomorrow rt I will vote and kill IB. If someone has something new it is now the best time to add it

by **spiesr** on Sat Jun 02, 2012 10:58 am

mc05025 wrote:As there is nothing new to discuss, tomorrow rt I will vote and kill IB. If someone has something new it is now the best time to add it

By all means go ahead and end this day already. I mentally checked out of this argument a couple of days ago when a bunch of people unvoted for what I consider little reason...

by **Iron Butterfly** on Sat Jun 02, 2012 5:32 pm

Yes please kill me as I am wasting my time.

by **alt1978** on Sat Jun 02, 2012 10:54 pm

Day 1...
"While I don't find jonty necessarily part of the Death Eaters (he might be, but his actions haven't really been awful), I'll go ahead and add the needed Day 1 pressure. You know how it is jonty.

unvote vote jonty"
chap

Day 2...
"I am agreeing with Leehar and with strike about a busdriver being unlikely.

The only that works is to have a mafia busdriver, which can easily happen, but doesn't really fit the flavor much and gives a lot of advantage to the Death Eaters, IMO.

To expand on saf's flavor filled 6th scenario, Harry could have given himself up, knowing that it is the only was to kill Voldemort. You have to kill the horcruxes first and Harry was one of the horcruxes. The problem with this scenario is how it fits into a mafia game. It doesn't seem like it it would. And it seems like if that were the case, Harry should have waited until other horcruxes were dead, ie Nagini."
Chap

This was used to help frame safari (accepting the idea of a bus driver would have helped clear him). Note also the amount of flavor in here. (Town Body Guard)

Day 2...

"Good tactic. Call the people who are going to vote for you dumb after you contradict yourself and follow up with a claim that doesn't make any sense. It's not your fault. Leehar started you down this road and you can't come back from it."
Chap

Helped nail Sparticus (leehar). (Town Tonks)

Page 52...
"And then the above post against saf. He really is trying everything to get us away from the case against spart. It's almost like the case is against him. I still can't believe he hasn't had to claim yet with all of the pressure and prods it took for him to finally start posting."
Chap

Going after neb...who has been crucial in building town cases and has been twice cleared by strike.

Still Day 2...

"e: Harry potter: The fight for freedom. Day 2. (16/18)
Postby chapcrap on Mon Mar 26, 2012 6:26 pm

thehippo8 wrote:Any thoughts on the case against pancake?

Yes, I think it's not much of a case and it only serves to distract from spart's case and lead the town towards a no lynch, which makes you scummier in my eyes."

Hippo suggests going after pancake (NOW KNOWN TO BE MAFIA)...Chap turns the case against hippo...who flips TOWN.

In summary...what are the odds that chap has all of the holes in roles...and also happens to come up defending scum at every opportunity...and has been solidly making case after case against townies?

I have not posted a lot...but have turned this one over and over in my head. I reread things from the start...knowing who is who from the results of the dead. If you look at each one of these incidents in and of the time that it happened...chap looks clean. Taking the body of work...I just don't buy that over and over again he comes down on the scum side...combined with the fact that he has the role confusion.

Anyone who was all over the flavor early on...it's hard for me to buy that they don't know their joat roles.

Vote Chapcrap