Matrix Mafia Endgame, Town and Survivors win!

[Some7hingCLEVER]

hey guys got swamped at school and RL but i have a few minutes now
ok i found it lol im The Kid- Vanilla Townie. and i have a request from everyone. i have a feeling when i put this up that i will get killed cause im a VT but i have been contributing alot more than others and if anyone can make a list of all things against me so i can defend instead of having to look at the last ten pages please and thank you.

[jak111]

hey guys got swamped at school and RL but i have a few minutes now
ok i found it lol im The Kid- Vanilla Townie. and i have a request from everyone. i have a feeling when i put this up that i will get killed cause im a VT but i have been contributing alot more than others and if anyone can make a list of all things against me so i can defend instead of having to look at the last ten pages please and thank you.

Can someone enlighten me on 'the kid'.. I've seen 2 matrix movies (first and either the second or third one) and I've never heard of this character.

Also, how many VT's are we going to have?

[Some7hingCLEVER]

honestly i dont know anything about him i just know VT and ya i was wondering the same question thats why i requested to think twice about lynching me.

[thechuck51]

On my phone holding a baby so I can't really comment on anything til later but here is a link to the matrix wiki for the kid

http://matrix.wikia.com/wiki/Kid

[pmchugh]

Clever is L-5 not L-2.

Vote Count

clever(6)- 1 neb, 2 leehar,3 jak,4 dj,5 vodean,6 hippo,7 ghostly,8 everywhere,9 soundman
sg7(1)- betiko
hippo(1)- jonty
betiko(1)- everywhere
pmc(1)- doom
vodean(1)- edoc

With 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

Prodding IB.

Saf is that 6 votes or 9 on clever?

Umm, not to sound rude PMC, but count them yourself. I even put them in groups of 3 to make it easier ^^.

Thanks jak I can count, I was merely pointing out that saf had it wrong in a more polite way than splitting it into three groups to make it easier for him to count

Another VT claim? Are der any power roles? The claim seems reasonable, but I am beginning to wonder if we have let mafia slip by in the sea of vt claims.

[Nebuchadnezer]

Oh, come on....the kid? That character never even hit any of my lists, nor did I believe that was an actual character until chucks wiki link. The kid? Really? I've gotta think about this one...

[everywhere116]

Oh, come on....the kid? That character never even hit any of my lists, nor did I believe that was an actual character until chucks wiki link. The kid? Really? I've gotta think about this one...

Is he actually in the movies?

[Some7hingCLEVER]

Oh, come on....the kid? That character never even hit any of my lists, nor did I believe that was an actual character until chucks wiki link. The kid? Really? I've gotta think about this one...

well maybe thats why he is a VT?

[jak111]

Clever is L-5 not L-2.

Vote Count

clever(6)- 1 neb, 2 leehar,3 jak,4 dj,5 vodean,6 hippo,7 ghostly,8 everywhere,9 soundman
sg7(1)- betiko
hippo(1)- jonty
betiko(1)- everywhere
pmc(1)- doom
vodean(1)- edoc

With 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

Prodding IB.

Saf is that 6 votes or 9 on clever?

Umm, not to sound rude PMC, but count them yourself. I even put them in groups of 3 to make it easier ^^.

Thanks jak I can count, I was merely pointing out that saf had it wrong in a more polite way than splitting it into three groups to make it easier for him to count

Another VT claim? Are der any power roles? The claim seems reasonable, but I am beginning to wonder if we have let mafia slip by in the sea of vt claims.

Ah, just checking.. Seemed like you were being serious about whether it was 6 or 9 when you said he was at L-5 not L-2. XD.

Anyway, for the posts that followed. The kid seems to be a zion character.. although I don't like how many people are claiming zions...

[safariguy5]

Vote Count

clever(9)- neb, leehar, jak, dj, vodean, hippo, ghostly, everywhere, soundman
sg7(1)- betiko
hippo(1)- jonty
betiko(1)- everywhere
pmc(1)- doom
vodean(1)- edoc

With 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

Sorry for the confusion, I did indeed forget to update the tally. For future reference, if there is a discrepancy, always assume the number of players listed voting is correct.

[Some7hingCLEVER]

agreed but with 25 people were probably gonna have alot of vt

[jak111]

With Saf.. this is me meta'ing here for a moment, (Can't be helped) but with 25 people.. I'm guessing about 5 mafia.. maybe 1-2 3rd party... which would leave 18-19 townies.. So my GUESS is 6 VT with saf.. somewhere around there.

Two are lynched, and three more are claimed. One more for my max and then I'm looking at the VT claims <.<...

[edocsil]

The Kid was a big player in Matrix online, and in the 3rd movie. Plausible claim IMO. I would hang another VT before hanging him.

Also jak, as far as you disregard for my case I am unimpressed. I knew Vodean from before he left. Notice I say he? This new picture is the first indication I have ever seen of else wise. He abandoned a game he was modding and left for 2 years. Now coming back and claiming to know who the entire scum faction(s) are is, well, unlikely at best. Vodean's direction screams of misdirection and none of you care to notice it. Perhaps you would make those mistakes, but you are not claiming to know who every single scum in the game are either. Surely a player that advanced should be able to do a bit of flavor work?

Also unless I am totally mistaken, (s)he has modded more games then you have won. This may be incorrect, but Vodean is not someone whose mistakes I think to pass off as a rookies.

[jak111]

I'll let vodean defend him/herself on that, even though I know something that would fit, I guess we'll see what he/she says then.

[thechuck51]

Oh, come on....the kid? That character never even hit any of my lists, nor did I believe that was an actual character until chucks wiki link. The kid? Really? I've gotta think about this one...

They're coming... they're coming... the Hammer.
What?
You have to open that gate. Cut the counter-weights. You can do it. Hurry, there's no time.
Captain, I... I didn't finish the training program.
Neither did I.

the Kid is who Mifune is talking to at the end of the scene from N2. If he is important enough for saf to put into the flavor I don't see why he wouldn't be a character in the game.

However he is not natural born zion as somebody else said. according the to wiki, he was saved from the matrix and moved to zion. So I think Zion=VT is still probably true but we cannot say that Non-Zion always = Non VT.

[vodean]

im still for this lynch... hes had 48 hours to think about it and pick a nobody to claim as that would most likely not have been included... he could have had plenty of time to mull over it with his scumbuddies hippo, edoc, sg7, everything, and chuck.

that is sketchy flavor analysis...
he was talked to... but that scene was about mifune's death only. not the kid

[jak111]

im still for this lynch... hes had 48 hours to think about it and pick a nobody to claim as that would most likely not have been included... he could have had plenty of time to mull over it with his scumbuddies hippo, edoc, sg7, everything, and chuck.

that is sketchy flavor analysis...
he was talked to... but that scene was about mifune's death only. not the kid

Okay, NO. Just no. This, I agree, edoc is right about, you're trying to pin 6 people as scum... Unvote, Vote Vodean

[Nebuchadnezer]

... or else we can ask his scumbuddies to claim for him

Lol? I'll bet every bent penny of mine that he is town. Your guy's case sucks.

Fine, great and mighty edocsil...lead us! How could we ever question your reasoning and thinking...

Unvote. VOTE Vodean

[thechuck51]

right now im thinking clever and hippo are scumbuddies, leehar is scummy, and doom and jak are scumbuddies. i dont believe hippo's claim. i definitely dont believe that jak and doom are masons... they would have been NKed... lets put a little pressure on some of them. you may be wondering why i gave an unprompted claim, and that is because now i am free to point fingers wherever, and you know that im not scum. If you dont believe me, lynch me, but then PLEASE lynch some of the above.

BTW, I am mouse, and i do nothing special at night (being that im VT)...

I am currently leaning towards two groups of mafia, not connected, but with one kill and one other power... one group in the matrix (Clever, hippo, and maybe IB?) and one outside the matrix (doom and jak)... but for now, ill provide one more piece of evidence against clever and change my vote.

im still for this lynch... hes had 48 hours to think about it and pick a nobody to claim as that would most likely not have been included... he could have had plenty of time to mull over it with his scumbuddies hippo, edoc, sg7, everything, and chuck.

that is sketchy flavor analysis...
he was talked to... but that scene was about mifune's death only. not the kid

So you think there are 10 mafia in a 24 player game? Since you are into saving time, maybe it would be quicker if you listed people you DIDN'T think were scum.

[thechuck51]

forgot to do this...

unvote vote vodean

[Some7hingCLEVER]

im still for this lynch... hes had 48 hours to think about it and pick a nobody to claim as that would most likely not have been included... he could have had plenty of time to mull over it with his scumbuddies hippo, edoc, sg7, everything, and chuck.

that is sketchy flavor analysis...
he was talked to... but that scene was about mifune's death only. not the kid

Okay, NO. Just no. This, I agree, edoc is right about, you're trying to pin 6 people as scum... Unvote, Vote Vodean

talk to my scum buddies
1.) im not scum
2.) if i was which im not i couldnt talk to them at night anyway and i said i got swamped at school with finals coming up

and seriously gonna try to pick every scum in different post and have different names everytime. your starting to annoy me a little but not cause your making a case but because your case is illogical and i defended it to what i thought was to the best possible. yet you still push and push and push for my claim and you say along the lines of i just want him to claim. and now i claim and your still pressuring and pressuring. your being irratical in your decision making slow it down and shoot from the paint. no need to take a three. anyway i will unvote vote vodean for all the points made

[edocsil]

There is going to be so much egg on my face if I am wrong here.

[Some7hingCLEVER]

:| There is going to be so much egg on my face if I am wrong here.

what do you mean?

[jak111]

:| There is going to be so much egg on my face if I am wrong here.

Probably, but I have my own reason for voting vodean. I let the first one slide, but that latest thing.. just.. that doesn't sit right with me right after I said it was because of the pages..

Fasposted

[Some7hingCLEVER]

:| There is going to be so much egg on my face if I am wrong here.

Probably, but I have my own reason for voting vodean. I let the first one slide, but that latest thing.. just.. that doesn't sit right with me right after I said it was because of the pages..

Fasposted

i do as well and im about to go deeper into it lol post coming shortly.