Battle of the Bulge - CLOSED

[jak111]

While Saf is a potential good ally to have in the game, I'm just not quite sure I believe the claim. Like, a VT. It's possible given the guy's history, BUT, I'd assume a general would have something, even if it was mason or bulletproof (or 3rd party). But a VT I have a hard time believing. It's possible for sure, but for earlier reasons and the fact that he isn't really good to town unless he's a bit aggressive to help us get info, I'd say he's no use. (Hopefully everyone is right and it is a fake claim, but if not Saf probably should have been a bit more active in the cases).

[new guy1]

Well I must say sometimes its hart to be anything but apathetic as a VT role. Your left out on alot of the game and left in the dark often too. But i must also say I believe he has contributed alot more then some people, who have not contributed anything at all.

[jak111]

Agreed, out of the 7 games I've been in I've either been VT or Mason VT for 4 of them. It's a pain

However, like I've stated above, I'm still having a hard time believing the claim. So my vote will stick, hopefully it's not a mistake to do so.

[DoomYoshi]

Not sure I buy the claim. I will let saf live to fight another day and try to nail him tomorrow. First thought: saf was worried about pressuring for a claim based on ousting a power role. However, he knew he was the main target for a BW and forced claim. I will have to go back and look at the timing of all this. It is not going to be doable before deadline though.

Unvote vote he who shall not be named

[new guy1]

Not sure I buy the claim. I will let saf live to fight another day and try to nail him tomorrow. First thought: saf was worried about pressuring for a claim based on ousting a power role. However, he knew he was the main target for a BW and forced claim. I will have to go back and look at the timing of all this. It is not going to be doable before deadline though.

Unvote vote he who shall not be named

Take it he who shall not be named is either joking in a way or JG?

[DoomYoshi]

Yes, jg.

[jgordon1111]

Yes, jg.

LOL

[safariguy5]

Not sure I buy the claim. I will let saf live to fight another day and try to nail him tomorrow. First thought: saf was worried about pressuring for a claim based on ousting a power role. However, he knew he was the main target for a BW and forced claim. I will have to go back and look at the timing of all this. It is not going to be doable before deadline though.

Unvote vote he who shall not be named

I was really kinda hoping the number of votes wouldn't be as high as they are and that scum would think I'm hinting at being some sort of investigative or protective role, but after seeing the VC, I figured that was out of the question.

Also, I would dispute the idea that if Churchill is in this game, I have to be lying. Remember, WW2 was fought between allied nations. I mean, Stalin was a pretty ruthless person, but he was on the Allied side by this time in the war. I could totally see Stalin being town in this game if he were here. Likewise, the British had several prominent leaders and commanders besides Churchill. Montgomery comes to mind for example.

[thechuck51]

I think I've made clear from the start my opinion on lynching the survivor so I will vote JGordon

[thechuck51]

I think I've made clear from the start my opinion on lynching the survivor so I will vote JGordon

EBWOP

[jgordon1111]

December 15, 1944 – Adolf Hitler’s military notebook input – Translated into English by the Allied forces.

A massive assault has been planned to take place tomorrow. The Allied forces on the front line, mainly American troops, are sure to be defeated. This assault shall be known as the Ardennes Offensive once we claim victory, and begin our retaliation into the rest of Western Europe.
We have sent in fluent english speaking spies to change road signs, cut communication lines, and spread rumors of assaults elsewhere.
Our tanks shall smash the centre of their line, causing communication to buckle, and their defeat will be assured. Our 6th and 5th Panzer units in that order will lead the assault, followed by the 7th army unit. Our 15th army unit will remain on standby to reinforce any weak spots of ours in this fight. After this, their supply line will be cut off, and the allies will be crushed. It will be time to move to the Western front and stop the red army’s advance so we can begin to take back what is rightfully ours.


DAY 1 BEGIN!!

Here is where I keep stopping on your claim Saf.

page 1 of sign ups states german commanders and (mainly) american commanders. So other commanders in the area of the bulge might be in this game not all of them american.

the character you have claimed was not involved with the battle of the bulge at all. With the above begin D1 scenario what circumstances would bring your character into this game,your character was sent to the U.S. to get him out of the way of winston churchill well before the battle of the bulge was even fought.

I was waiting to see how others would vote or if they would read the info for themselves. hmmmm

[ghostly447]

Official Simplified Vote Count

With 18 alive, it takes 10 to lynch

Jgordon – Rodion, chapcrap, /, Dazza, DoomYoshi, thechuck (L-4)
Gimili – Safariguy
Chapcrap – doomyoshi
Safri – Jak, PMC, Clever, Everywhere (L-6)

Solid Deadline is 5/7/12 at around 9pm EST--- ~23 hours 25 minutes

[pmchugh]

Neither was yours jgordon

I don't think saf is completely off the hook, its a weakish claim. I guess the tide is turning though and with not much to go on getting rid of the survivor is the best option. All aboard.... unvote vote jgordon

[jgordon1111]

Neither was yours jgordon

I don't think saf is completely off the hook, its a weakish claim. I guess the tide is turning though and with not much to go on getting rid of the survivor is the best option. All aboard.... unvote vote jgordon

Where was the battle fought pmc,my character has every reason to be in that area.

But it is was it is LOL.

[thechuck51]

from wikipedia...

"In the United States he was immensely important in making the Chiefs of Staff committee — which included members from both countries — function, often promoting unity of action.[30] He was particularly friendly with General George Marshall[31] and the two exercised a great deal of influence on President Roosevelt who described Dill as "the most important figure in the remarkable accord which has been developed in the combined operations of our two countries".[32]"

Though he may not have had boots on the ground at the battle of the bulge he still may have had an impact.

[jgordon1111]

from wikipedia...

"In the United States he was immensely important in making the Chiefs of Staff committee — which included members from both countries — function, often promoting unity of action.[30] He was particularly friendly with General George Marshall[31] and the two exercised a great deal of influence on President Roosevelt who described Dill as "the most important figure in the remarkable accord which has been developed in the combined operations of our two countries".[32]"

Though he may not have had boots on the ground at the battle of the bulge he still may have had an impact.

Yes chuck I read that part also, And it is part of the reason I didnt vote Saf. But I believe the game is about on the ground commanders. Thus my statement about churchill being in the game. It meant 2 things that the real leaders were the presidents,dictators and prime ministers,so if they are not in the game neither would be a figure who was in washington d.c. at the time of the battle.

Hitler himself being in this game would be rather unusual in itself also.

@ Saf if you are not scum you now are pretty sure who is. you tried to point it out earlier maybe GL.

[everywhere116]

Thing is him being sent away from the war would make sense. He had no action in the war therefore no action on the battle field. Kinda makes sense if you look at it from a different perspective.

I was thinking that it was a fake claim, until I saw this, and realized how much that made sense. Very insightful, ng.

Also, I would dispute the idea that if Churchill is in this game, I have to be lying. Remember, WW2 was fought between allied nations. I mean, Stalin was a pretty ruthless person, but he was on the Allied side by this time in the war. I could totally see Stalin being town in this game if he were here. Likewise, the British had several prominent leaders and commanders besides Churchill. Montgomery comes to mind for example.

I suppose that is likely. If jak is telling the truth, Hitler is in the game, despite not being present at the battle, so it makes sense for the Allied heads-of-state to be in the game as well. It would also mean that a loss for us would be devastating for the overall Allied war effort since we would lose all our leaders too. But I'm going on a speculative diatribe as a direct result of spending too much time on TVTropes.

As I've never been one to maintain a split vote count and jgordon has been somewhat scummy and, frankly, somewhat annoying, Unvote vote jgordon

[thechuck51]

Yes chuck I read that part also, And it is part of the reason I didnt vote Saf. But I believe the game is about on the ground commanders. Thus my statement about churchill being in the game. It meant 2 things that the real leaders were the presidents,dictators and prime ministers,so if they are not in the game neither would be a figure who was in washington d.c. at the time of the battle.

Hitler himself being in this game would be rather unusual in itself also.

@ Saf if you are not scum you now are pretty sure who is. you tried to point it out earlier maybe GL.

So are you calling Jak a liar?

What I mean by 100% if we lynch JG. I mentioned earlier that I have another power. If we kill Hitler within 3 days of me being alive as well, we go through a night unharmed. (Which / tried to make some point about it being potentially good for mafia too ) So if we lynch JG, a survivor who is not Hitler, then I'm dead. If we lynch somebody else, and they turn Hitler I get another day and no one dies tonight But of course, who'd want to try for that, when we can just lynch the Survivor now and let the Doc die tonight.. Those two are annoying anyhow

Hopefully that explains your question Rodion. You're less complex to answer to and at least you read what I'm saying -.-.

Fasposted by chuck x2 (Whom still never has read my defense, or chooses not to listen.)

Fasposted by Saf

[jgordon1111]

I will believe you on the annoying point everywhere,but scummy lol. not even close

[jgordon1111]

second post, I was waiting for someone else to come in and vote,but it getting late I got to work tomorrow and the odds are the hammer will fall then.

@ chuck you asked me a question I didnt answer it. remember it later. watch for the assistant on it.

@ doom as part of the reason you wanted me blacklisted I wasnt playing my role as a survivor correctly i.e., I stated I was wanting town to win. If you were town I find it hard to imagine you saying this as a part of trying to blacklist me. As for the rest it's a game if you take it personal. WOW

@ Saf Again If your not scum which I doubt you are,remember who turned on me quickest.

Those are my real 3 list for scum lol, After all it is a game.

Enjoyed playing it have fun and GL to the best players. Hope its town.

[safariguy5]

Well I suppose that's L-2. I don't really see what else we can get from this day. Might as well get it over with and hope tomorrow doesn't bring heavy town losses.

unvote vote jgordon

[Ragian]

I don't have a gut feeling about saf, and even though the quotes just presented took time to compile, I don't even feel they incriminate him that much. I went submarines-hunting too earlier in the game, but I think it's taking it too far to attack the replacements.

@pmc, deadline is May 7, yeah?

Fastposted by CLEVER that disagrees.

ya i think i pointed that out. but really what other cases on day one? this is the best case we have so far. i dont think i said it was an amazing case just the best one we have and with time coming to an end i needed to make a decision.

I'm not saying that there are better case per say. I'm just afraid that saf flips town. We know jg won't. (That's not saying that I won't hunt scum, but merely that I see no cases where I'm certain that the lynchee flips scum and that I can't present a case against anyone at this point. I bet at least two players needed this parenthesis.)

@ Ragian, Are you sure you wrote what you meant in the above post?

Yes, I'm sure. You should've been a wee bit more specific if you wanted a more specific answer (i.e. I don't know what you're hinting at).

I believe all three claims today
- It annoyed me that jak softclaimed doc (and yes, I did pick up on it), but I'm not lynching a claimed doc on D1.
- The VT claim by saf might be a good fakeclaim, but I believe it.
- JG claimed survivor pledging allegiance to town.

As I don't see either of them being inherently scummy, I don't think the choice is very hard to make. So as I said earlier, I will vote jgordon fully aware that I'm the hammer.

Besides the fact that we're lynching a 3rd party rather than town, my vote is also because I found a lot of the things that jg said (and he has said a lot) weird:
- why claim 3rd party trying to save the doc when "all" you have to do is survive?
- why comment on other people's play disguising it as contributions?
- and frankly, a lot of the posts jg has made don't make sense to me, but to him it's the best evidence against almost everyone "attacking" him. If that's just me being thick, I'm sure D2 will have me know that.

[pmchugh]

Well cheers for helping move things along jgordon, it was a pretty fun and intensive day 1. Now someone hammer the punk

[dazza2008]

Well cheers for helping move things along jgordon, it was a pretty fun and intensive day 1. Now someone hammer the punk

I think Ragian just did.

[Ragian]

I thought I did anyway...? Mayhaps my counting is off