Battle of the Bulge - CLOSED

[everywhere116]

I case you havent noticed no one is playing,everyone is keeping their head down and hoping no one says anything directly to them.

No cases being brought forward because everyone is afraid to play.

I was going to take you seriously but if you scroll upwards a bit you'll find evidence that counters your point here, but I assume that this is going on the next page and the effect of that statement will be lessened somewhat.

[jgordon1111]

I case you havent noticed no one is playing,everyone is keeping their head down and hoping no one says anything directly to them.

No cases being brought forward because everyone is afraid to play.

I was going to take you seriously but if you scroll upwards a bit you'll find evidence that counters your point here, but I assume that this is going on the next page and the effect of that statement will be lessened somewhat.

When was the last case seriously brought forward everywhere, everyone keeps backing up and stating they were not trying to make a case,or it once again gets derailed because someone brings up me and jak right in the middle of it. Go back and look.

Therefore yes everyone is afraid of saying anything because they do not want to be questioned.

so look at the common denominators of derailing every possible case,see who they are repeatedly and you have your prime targets for scum.

Now take into account the mentions of lynching that seem to be a passing thought or just added in there.

But it shifts the case on hand out of focus repeatedly.

As I have said many times read it carefully and keep track of those that just keep mentioning casually lynching me and their reasons for it.

Now you dont pay attention to just the ones with votes on me. Look at who votes someone else and then again mentions lynching me as part of the post.

[safariguy5]

I case you havent noticed no one is playing,everyone is keeping their head down and hoping no one says anything directly to them.

No cases being brought forward because everyone is afraid to play.

I was going to take you seriously but if you scroll upwards a bit you'll find evidence that counters your point here, but I assume that this is going on the next page and the effect of that statement will be lessened somewhat.

When was the last case seriously brought forward everywhere, everyone keeps backing up and stating they were not trying to make a case,or it once again gets derailed because someone brings up me and jak right in the middle of it. Go back and look.

Therefore yes everyone is afraid of saying anything because they do not want to be questioned.

so look at the common denominators of derailing every possible case,see who they are repeatedly and you have your prime targets for scum.

Now take into account the mentions of lynching that seem to be a passing thought or just added in there.

But it shifts the case on hand out of focus repeatedly.

As I have said many times read it carefully and keep track of those that just keep mentioning casually lynching me and their reasons for it.

Now you dont pay attention to just the ones with votes on me. Look at who votes someone else and then again mentions lynching me as part of the post.

Well that's interesting. I remember the point of the the scum lists was to find who everyone thought was mafia. Now finally we have a couple people stepping up to the plate. So I suppose the question I'd ask is this: "You accused me of being scum earlier jgordon, do you still think so, and why?"

[gimli1990]

alright been trying to catch you guys move very fast here i wish there was posting limits. just joking that was tough to catch you all

prod recieved why i got one is beyond me so it took me a little more then a week to catch up sorry

alright on more important info

my top

sar just for pressuring me when i was just trying to read to catch you all not really on my list

thechuck for constant skimming at least a couple in the last 10 pages alone and a gut feeling

jgordon first a survivor does not agree with the concept of this game that well unless he is a survivor from one of the towns a civilian in other words. even if he is a survivor why would he claim so easily i know he explained it is just easier that way but it does make that much sense when you think about the battle of the bulge.

PMC just a gut feeling there not really a whole lot that i can add to what has been said about him


now a bit of my info on battle of the bulge one of the very few reason's i even thought about replacing on this game is that i am a huge WWII buff and the battle of the bulge is very interesting and i thought i might learn something maybe.

and i agree with whoever said that if we kill hitler it might help the mafia and this i will agree but we do not even know how big of a scope this game is hitler may not even be in this game it could just be the german general's we are looking for.

that all for now

[jak111]

Believe me, he's out there. For those who believe my role 100% and the special power I get.. He's out there...

[pmchugh]

alright been trying to catch you guys move very fast here i wish there was posting limits. just joking that was tough to catch you all

prod recieved why i got one is beyond me so it took me a little more then a week to catch up sorry

alright on more important info

my top

sar just for pressuring me when i was just trying to read to catch you all not really on my list

thechuck for constant skimming at least a couple in the last 10 pages alone and a gut feeling

jgordon first a survivor does not agree with the concept of this game that well unless he is a survivor from one of the towns a civilian in other words. even if he is a survivor why would he claim so easily i know he explained it is just easier that way but it does make that much sense when you think about the battle of the bulge.

PMC just a gut feeling there not really a whole lot that i can add to what has been said about him


now a bit of my info on battle of the bulge one of the very few reason's i even thought about replacing on this game is that i am a huge WWII buff and the battle of the bulge is very interesting and i thought i might learn something maybe.

and i agree with whoever said that if we kill hitler it might help the mafia and this i will agree but we do not even know how big of a scope this game is hitler may not even be in this game it could just be the german general's we are looking for.

that all for now

What happened to the rule about people typing in really small fonts? stop it it's really annoying.

I would be happy with a saf BW at this point as he is joint top of our list and I think it could give us some great information. / made some decent points against him that he hasn't responded to. unvote vote saf

Latest nomination tally:
safari: 7 nominations; Chap, jak, /, pmc, doom, rodion, jgordon
jgordon: 7 Nominations; Chap, /, chuck, every, rodion, gimli, ragian
newguy: 5 nominations; Chap, /, chuck, every, doom
Chap: 5 nominations; Jak, pmc, doom, rodion, ragian
Doom: 4 nominations; Jak, pmc, chuck,jgordon
pmc: 3 nominations; Chap, chuck, gimli
everywhere: 3 nominations; /, doom, leehar
chuck: 3 nominations; gimli, jgordon, leehar
jak: 2 nominations; chuck, every
gimli: 1 nomination; saf
sg7: 1 nomination; saf
spartacus: 1 nomination; saf [reaplaced by dj]
dazza: 1 nomination; ragian
/: 1 nomination; leehar

Not nominating and have been active : newguy, sg7 FOS on you both
Inactive + no list: sg7 + dazza

DJ hasn't voted yet, but I'll let him off Prod on dazza please?

I think there are some interesting groupings in that list. Chap and / for instance are both on the top 3 most popular targets, with chuck, everywhere and rodion on two of them. Me, jak, rodion and jgordon also have similar votes near the top. Also I find it really strange that clever does not have a single vote, if I was to write a new list then I would definitely consider him.

[Some7hingCLEVER]

Believe me, he's out there. For those who believe my role 100% and the special power I get.. He's out there...

well even if we didnt believe your role its a huge DUH this is the world war 2 game. who was the biggest threat in world war 2? hitler lol which if you now think i bet if there are third parties it might be a cult. like the people who were close to hitler and planned to kill him. that would work especially well in this game.

just a thought.

[dazza2008]

I am really struggling to keep up here. I keep reading a few pages then come back later to catch up and there are a few more pages.

I am caught up now but will need to read back through. I am starting to doubt jgordon though. I think he could well be scum and faking the survivor claim. I will try and read back through later tonight and post more.

[jgordon1111]

I case you havent noticed no one is playing,everyone is keeping their head down and hoping no one says anything directly to them.

No cases being brought forward because everyone is afraid to play.

I was going to take you seriously but if you scroll upwards a bit you'll find evidence that counters your point here, but I assume that this is going on the next page and the effect of that statement will be lessened somewhat.

When was the last case seriously brought forward everywhere, everyone keeps backing up and stating they were not trying to make a case,or it once again gets derailed because someone brings up me and jak right in the middle of it. Go back and look.

Therefore yes everyone is afraid of saying anything because they do not want to be questioned.

so look at the common denominators of derailing every possible case,see who they are repeatedly and you have your prime targets for scum.

Now take into account the mentions of lynching that seem to be a passing thought or just added in there.

But it shifts the case on hand out of focus repeatedly.

As I have said many times read it carefully and keep track of those that just keep mentioning casually lynching me and their reasons for it.

Now you dont pay attention to just the ones with votes on me. Look at who votes someone else and then again mentions lynching me as part of the post.

Well that's interesting. I remember the point of the the scum lists was to find who everyone thought was mafia. Now finally we have a couple people stepping up to the plate. So I suppose the question I'd ask is this: "You accused me of being scum earlier jgordon, do you still think so, and why?"

To be quite honest Saf, about you I am not sure,your play style sets off alarms with me, but you havent made a slip,even when you were peeved. and even going back to when I originally FOS'd you I cant tie you to anything other than quietly manuvering votes. Not enough for me to call you on.

@ dazza thank you for proving my point about each time someone brings up a new case,someone immediatley as a reminder throws my name out there.

[dazza2008]

@ dazza thank you for proving my point about each time someone brings up a new case,someone immediatley as a reminder throws my name out there.

Just saying what I see mate. You are not really playing like a survivor would and you keep talking of new cases but from what I see you just comment on peoples playing style.

Jak seems defensive of you too. His claim could be a fake but I am not willing to risk it. I would be happier to lynch you. If you are scum then we can take a closer look at Jak, if you are a survivor then no harm is done to the town. I can't see how we lose anything if you are lynched. Worst case you are third party and best case you are a lying scumbag Nazi.

[jgordon1111]

@ dazza thank you for proving my point about each time someone brings up a new case,someone immediatley as a reminder throws my name out there.

Just saying what I see mate. You are not really playing like a survivor would and you keep talking of new cases but from what I see you just comment on peoples playing style.

Jak seems defensive of you too. His claim could be a fake but I am not willing to risk it. I would be happier to lynch you. If you are scum then we can take a closer look at Jak, if you are a survivor then no harm is done to the town. I can't see how we lose anything if you are lynched. Worst case you are third party and best case you are a lying scumbag Nazi.

Why do you keep repeating the same thing that someone has said in front of you. It may have been 20 or 30 pages ago but everything you just said is a repeat.

And on top of that you seem to be skimming again,so I will just say this

commenting on peoples playing style once again for the record is how you play mafia.

So like I asked another player,please inform us of what criteria you use to determine who you vote for. Is it BW's or just a gut feeling beings you dont think a players style is the correct formula?

So a new fight begins and another possible case is derailed,my thanks dazza well done. point proven again.

[dazza2008]

@ dazza thank you for proving my point about each time someone brings up a new case,someone immediatley as a reminder throws my name out there.

Just saying what I see mate. You are not really playing like a survivor would and you keep talking of new cases but from what I see you just comment on peoples playing style.

Jak seems defensive of you too. His claim could be a fake but I am not willing to risk it. I would be happier to lynch you. If you are scum then we can take a closer look at Jak, if you are a survivor then no harm is done to the town. I can't see how we lose anything if you are lynched. Worst case you are third party and best case you are a lying scumbag Nazi.

Why do you keep repeating the same thing that someone has said in front of you. It may have been 20 or 30 pages ago but everything you just said is a repeat.

And on top of that you seem to be skimming again,so I will just say this

commenting on peoples playing style once again for the record is how you play mafia.

So like I asked another player,please inform us of what criteria you use to determine who you vote for. Is it BW's or just a gut feeling beings you dont think a players style is the correct formula?

So a new fight begins and another possible case is derailed,my thanks dazza well done. point proven again.

Every time someone says anything against you you say they are skimming.

I am not skimming. I just find you the scummiest player here and I think you are lying. Like I said I think you might be connected to Jak and lynching you is the safest way to check that out. If you are scum happy days. If you flip third party it will not be as good but no harm is done to the town.

[Some7hingCLEVER]

@ dazza thank you for proving my point about each time someone brings up a new case,someone immediatley as a reminder throws my name out there.

Just saying what I see mate. You are not really playing like a survivor would and you keep talking of new cases but from what I see you just comment on peoples playing style.

Jak seems defensive of you too. His claim could be a fake but I am not willing to risk it. I would be happier to lynch you. If you are scum then we can take a closer look at Jak, if you are a survivor then no harm is done to the town. I can't see how we lose anything if you are lynched. Worst case you are third party and best case you are a lying scumbag Nazi.

Why do you keep repeating the same thing that someone has said in front of you. It may have been 20 or 30 pages ago but everything you just said is a repeat.

And on top of that you seem to be skimming again,so I will just say this

commenting on peoples playing style once again for the record is how you play mafia.

So like I asked another player,please inform us of what criteria you use to determine who you vote for. Is it BW's or just a gut feeling beings you dont think a players style is the correct formula?

So a new fight begins and another possible case is derailed,my thanks dazza well done. point proven again.

ok how often can someoen make an original post or idea when it DAY ONE. one person makes and idea and it becomes unoriginal. we have so little info that i cant make my own idea. especially when i wanna say something someone else says it before i have time to respond. the fact that you repeat something is quite normal on day one.

[jgordon1111]

bring some evidense against me, Most of you keep stating I am scummy. I am not playing like a survivor.

Just because you havent seen the role played like I am playing it does not mean I am not a survivor, What you expect me to beg to be kept in the game? I remember how you played it.

I wont beg, I will play the way I feel is best without getting town killed.

So gut feeling I am scum, is not how I expect you to respond to my question.

Bring evidence. you cant do it.

Dont make me restate again everything I have said from D1,go back and carefully read it again.

If you dont like it or believe me,bring evidence and a vote.

Fastposted by clever,the only time I have repeated my self, is repeating what has been missed or misread. It is rather easy D1 or D5 just sit back and think about something other than the red flag you seem to keep in front of you. Think about other players and what they are saying and doing. You wont repeat yourself if you do that. Matter of fact take a minute and look at Saf and why he is suddenly getting pressure.

Is Saf scum or is he town, I ask both of you to present your thoughts on him. just as a change of pace

[Some7hingCLEVER]

bring some evidense against me, Most of you keep stating I am scummy. I am not playing like a survivor.

Just because you havent seen the role played like I am playing it does not mean I am not a survivor, What you expect me to beg to be kept in the game? I remember how you played it.

I wont beg, I will play the way I feel is best without getting town killed.

So gut feeling I am scum, is not how I expect you to respond to my question.

Bring evidence. you cant do it.

Dont make me restate again everything I have said from D1,go back and carefully read it again.

If you dont like it or believe me,bring evidence and a vote.

Fastposted by clever,the only time I have repeated my self, is repeating what has been missed or misread. It is rather easy D1 or D5 just sit back and think about something other than the red flag you seem to keep in front of you. Think about other players and what they are saying and doing. You wont repeat yourself if you do that. Matter of fact take a minute and look at Saf and why he is suddenly getting pressure.

Is Saf scum or is he town, I ask both of you to present your thoughts on him. just as a change of pace

ill go through and find who i think is scummy if its you ill keep my vote on you otherwise ill change it to said victim. and ill probably keep my vote on that person till the end of the day.

[Djfireside]

bring some evidense against me, Most of you keep stating I am scummy. I am not playing like a survivor.

Just because you havent seen the role played like I am playing it does not mean I am not a survivor, What you expect me to beg to be kept in the game? I remember how you played it.

I wont beg, I will play the way I feel is best without getting town killed.

So gut feeling I am scum, is not how I expect you to respond to my question.

Bring evidence. you cant do it.

Dont make me restate again everything I have said from D1,go back and carefully read it again.

If you dont like it or believe me,bring evidence and a vote.

Fastposted by clever,the only time I have repeated my self, is repeating what has been missed or misread. It is rather easy D1 or D5 just sit back and think about something other than the red flag you seem to keep in front of you. Think about other players and what they are saying and doing. You wont repeat yourself if you do that. Matter of fact take a minute and look at Saf and why he is suddenly getting pressure.

Is Saf scum or is he town, I ask both of you to present your thoughts on him. just as a change of pace

I have read through most of this and will present some of my facts but have to do it one more time cause this just goes up and back and figured I would at least start participating in some conversation to get at this up to this point.

JGordon -- I think the reason alot of people are off on you is the same reason that I have a bad feeeling about you is that you are a survivor, on day 1, with nothing happening. Traditionally the survivor occurs after another action and I have had this conversation a few times and most of the time, I was right and they were scum. You also state for evidence which obviously there is none as day 1 people just push people to the edge and wait for them to crack.

As for Saf, Im not entirely sure but can see why the wagon formed and need more information on him in my reading.

D1 is find the submariners and pull them out of the trenches into the fire and those who jump around lasso them with a brick. Its great!

[jgordon1111]

bring some evidense against me, Most of you keep stating I am scummy. I am not playing like a survivor.

Just because you havent seen the role played like I am playing it does not mean I am not a survivor, What you expect me to beg to be kept in the game? I remember how you played it.

I wont beg, I will play the way I feel is best without getting town killed.

So gut feeling I am scum, is not how I expect you to respond to my question.

Bring evidence. you cant do it.

Dont make me restate again everything I have said from D1,go back and carefully read it again.

If you dont like it or believe me,bring evidence and a vote.

Fastposted by clever,the only time I have repeated my self, is repeating what has been missed or misread. It is rather easy D1 or D5 just sit back and think about something other than the red flag you seem to keep in front of you. Think about other players and what they are saying and doing. You wont repeat yourself if you do that. Matter of fact take a minute and look at Saf and why he is suddenly getting pressure.

Is Saf scum or is he town, I ask both of you to present your thoughts on him. just as a change of pace

I have read through most of this and will present some of my facts but have to do it one more time cause this just goes up and back and figured I would at least start participating in some conversation to get at this up to this point.

JGordon -- I think the reason alot of people are off on you is the same reason that I have a bad feeeling about you is that you are a survivor, on day 1, with nothing happening. Traditionally the survivor occurs after another action and I have had this conversation a few times and most of the time, I was right and they were scum. You also state for evidence which obviously there is none as day 1 people just push people to the edge and wait for them to crack.

As for Saf, Im not entirely sure but can see why the wagon formed and need more information on him in my reading.

D1 is find the submariners and pull them out of the trenches into the fire and those who jump around lasso them with a brick. Its great!

@DJ yes but the reason I claimed was I picked up on the claimed doc's hints and beings he dropped them when he was taking my side in a discussion,I tried to return the favor by claiming hoping no one would take notice of his hints,thus taking the pressure off of a valuable town role. But in turn he was promptly outed by doom for some reason. And as far as N1,D2 are concerned all I can do is wait for the next day and see if I am still here to push against scum tells to out them.

@ clever as long as your reading and playing,thats what I want. If you believe I am scum cant help that,its part of the game,at this point anyone who says they are 100% sure someone is not scum needs to be lynched quick,they are scum most likely.

But dont put your vote on me for a gut feeling,have the evidence that says I am scum.gut feelings lynch the wrong players almost every time.

[Leehar]

I am starting to doubt jgordon though. I think he could well be scum and faking the survivor claim. I will try and read back through later tonight and post more.

Orly, and what were you doubting exactly for the last 60 pages?

Is sg7 still on vac and is that the reason for his inactivity?

Also Dazza, since you were so kind as to join us, would you like to oblige us by making a top 3 (other than your jg )
Same with you Clever, don't see one by you either, tho it's strange that you don't pop up in Pmc's post either

[jgordon1111]

I am starting to doubt jgordon though. I think he could well be scum and faking the survivor claim. I will try and read back through later tonight and post more.

Orly, and what were you doubting exactly for the last 60 pages?

Is sg7 still on vac and is that the reason for his inactivity?

Also Dazza, since you were so kind as to join us, would you like to oblige us by making a top 3 (other than your jg )
Same with you Clever, don't see one by you either, tho it's strange that you don't pop up in Pmc's post either

Leehar did I misinterpet your post,are you calling me out as scum?

[Leehar]

huh? You probably misinterpreted, but it'd be nice to see if you could point out what it was, since I still don't see it.
As I said previously, I really think of all this heat on you and jak as scum stalling, since it was discussed all of 40+ pages ago, and if people were interested in going after you, why on earth did we waste all this D1 time?

FYI tho since I'm not sure it was explicit; I am looking for scum top 3 lists by dazza and clever.

[jgordon1111]

huh? You probably misinterpreted, but it'd be nice to see if you could point out what it was, since I still don't see it.
As I said previously, I really think of all this heat on you and jak as scum stalling, since it was discussed all of 40+ pages ago, and if people were interested in going after you, why on earth did we waste all this D1 time?

FYI tho since I'm not sure it was explicit; I am looking for scum top 3 lists by dazza and clever.

It was me misinterpeting you asking dazza what he had missed in the last 60 pages,my bad

[Some7hingCLEVER]

I am starting to doubt jgordon though. I think he could well be scum and faking the survivor claim. I will try and read back through later tonight and post more.

Orly, and what were you doubting exactly for the last 60 pages?

Is sg7 still on vac and is that the reason for his inactivity?

Also Dazza, since you were so kind as to join us, would you like to oblige us by making a top 3 (other than your jg )
Same with you Clever, don't see one by you either, tho it's strange that you don't pop up in Pmc's post either

i think he is popping in and out but not enough to post anything. maybe a prod.

but for now i have to go out of town be back on monday...mod can confirm.

[jak111]

Believe me, he's out there. For those who believe my role 100% and the special power I get.. He's out there...

well even if we didnt believe your role its a huge DUH this is the world war 2 game. who was the biggest threat in world war 2? hitler lol which if you now think i bet if there are third parties it might be a cult. like the people who were close to hitler and planned to kill him. that would work especially well in this game.

just a thought.

Really? Just a thought, but I'm leaving my vote on you. You are beginning to annoy me with all this skimming Clever. Like Leehar has stated, this is all stalling by you and others. The post you quoted was a reply to the post above it. But HEY, it's not helping the case you're trying to make on JG and I, so f*ck it, just make my post seem idiotic with your reply.

Whom does not see this stalling effort by the group? Like JG said. EVERYTIME we move onto something else, they come and b*tch about we either having enough for D1 (YOU CAN NEVER HAVE ENOUGH), not enough time, or no other cases. There are plenty of cases, just take a look around.

I know you guys are all up on JG because of some bs logic, but I'd appreciate some help with actually getting the information today.

Note to JG: No more quoting, replying, or acknowledging the posts that continue to either try to belittle what we're trying to do, or accuse us when this case has been done with 40 pages ago.

That note also goes to anyone who wishes to get something off of D1.

[Some7hingCLEVER]

Believe me, he's out there. For those who believe my role 100% and the special power I get.. He's out there...

well even if we didnt believe your role its a huge DUH this is the world war 2 game. who was the biggest threat in world war 2? hitler lol which if you now think i bet if there are third parties it might be a cult. like the people who were close to hitler and planned to kill him. that would work especially well in this game.

just a thought.

Really? Just a thought, but I'm leaving my vote on you. You are beginning to annoy me with all this skimming Clever. Like Leehar has stated, this is all stalling by you and others. The post you quoted was a reply to the post above it. But HEY, it's not helping the case you're trying to make on JG and I, so f*ck it, just make my post seem idiotic with your reply.

Whom does not see this stalling effort by the group? Like JG said. EVERYTIME we move onto something else, they come and b*tch about we either having enough for D1 (YOU CAN NEVER HAVE ENOUGH), not enough time, or no other cases. There are plenty of cases, just take a look around.

I know you guys are all up on JG because of some bs logic, but I'd appreciate some help with actually getting the information today.

Note to JG: No more quoting, replying, or acknowledging the posts that continue to either try to belittle what we're trying to do, or accuse us when this case has been done with 40 pages ago.

That note also goes to anyone who wishes to get something off of D1.

are you skimming jak? reread what i said. not one person has said what i said. not one person has said maybe third party is the people who wanted hitler dead. tell me where and what page please that someone said that. you and jgordon throw the word skimming around way to much. its annoying.

[jgordon1111]

LOL jak I keep replying to keep anyone from saying I am dodging or saying I am attempting to change my stance and to show I am not going to make a scum slip, I can only do that if I was scum.

And I responded to Dj because he is trying to catch up and I wanted him to know why I claimed quick,and to see without blinders the reasons I am fighting for town.

So I will keep fighting and pushing right up to my lynch,if that minority group keeps trying for it. Its called surviving.LOL