Battle of the Bulge - CLOSED

[jak111]

@ Rodion, as I was reading it over I seen the bandwagon again, but initially forgot about it. If you wish to find a simple way to get the voters on Doom's bw feel free to do so, but I went through page for page for the info I got. But I believe I mentioned earlier I'm doing a full read through of both mafia's I'm in this weekend. So what I posted was a bit quicker than what I'm working on tomorrow and Sunday.
Also I'll make sure to check up on Chap's posts. PMC and you seem to be really on him, so I'll see if I can't dig some old info back up on him

Would be easier if everyone voted him with the same name. I reckon some people voted "Doom" while some voted "Yoshi" and others voted "DoomYoshi", so it's hard to use the search feature to find the information we want. I'll be interested in going back to research this if you flip mafia (but with the doctor claim, I believe you won't). Then I'd check Yoshi's bandwagon to find players that you should have "pressured" after doing the overall analysis but did not because you forgot to add Doom's data.

So someone keep a note of this somewhere if I die tonight (100% likely if we kill of jg).

Are you saying you are more likely to be nightkilled if the claimed survivor gets lynched? Conversely, by not lynching the claimed survivor we are less likely to lose our claimed doctor?

Care to explain why?

Finally, something I can reply to without bias accusations or skimming.

For the first part, I honestly forgot the BW on Doom. If I live through tonight I'll go back and check.

What I mean by 100% if we lynch JG. I mentioned earlier that I have another power. If we kill Hitler within 3 days of me being alive as well, we go through a night unharmed. (Which / tried to make some point about it being potentially good for mafia too ) So if we lynch JG, a survivor who is not Hitler, then I'm dead. If we lynch somebody else, and they turn Hitler I get another day and no one dies tonight But of course, who'd want to try for that, when we can just lynch the Survivor now and let the Doc die tonight.. Those two are annoying anyhow

Hopefully that explains your question Rodion. You're less complex to answer to and at least you read what I'm saying -.-.

Fasposted by chuck x2 (Whom still never has read my defense, or chooses not to listen.)

Fasposted by Saf

[thechuck51]

If the mafia are given their fakeclaims individually, then they'll probably PM each other what the fakes are Night 1 anyways.

But if they know them before hand it would make it easier for scum-mates to "pick up" on their softclaims if they are using them to fish for counter-claims

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[safariguy5]

@ Rodion, as I was reading it over I seen the bandwagon again, but initially forgot about it. If you wish to find a simple way to get the voters on Doom's bw feel free to do so, but I went through page for page for the info I got. But I believe I mentioned earlier I'm doing a full read through of both mafia's I'm in this weekend. So what I posted was a bit quicker than what I'm working on tomorrow and Sunday.
Also I'll make sure to check up on Chap's posts. PMC and you seem to be really on him, so I'll see if I can't dig some old info back up on him

Would be easier if everyone voted him with the same name. I reckon some people voted "Doom" while some voted "Yoshi" and others voted "DoomYoshi", so it's hard to use the search feature to find the information we want. I'll be interested in going back to research this if you flip mafia (but with the doctor claim, I believe you won't). Then I'd check Yoshi's bandwagon to find players that you should have "pressured" after doing the overall analysis but did not because you forgot to add Doom's data.

So someone keep a note of this somewhere if I die tonight (100% likely if we kill of jg).

Are you saying you are more likely to be nightkilled if the claimed survivor gets lynched? Conversely, by not lynching the claimed survivor we are less likely to lose our claimed doctor?

Care to explain why?

Finally, something I can reply to without bias accusations or skimming.

For the first part, I honestly forgot the BW on Doom. If I live through tonight I'll go back and check.

What I mean by 100% if we lynch JG. I mentioned earlier that I have another power. If we kill Hitler within 3 days of me being alive as well, we go through a night unharmed. (Which / tried to make some point about it being potentially good for mafia too ) So if we lynch JG, a survivor who is not Hitler, then I'm dead. If we lynch somebody else, and they turn Hitler I get another day and no one dies tonight But of course, who'd want to try for that, when we can just lynch the Survivor now and let the Doc die tonight.. Those two are annoying anyhow

Hopefully that explains your question Rodion. You're less complex to answer to and at least you read what I'm saying -.-.

Fasposted by chuck x2 (Whom still never has read my defense, or chooses not to listen.)

Fasposted by Saf

You lay it out like those are the only two choices. It's possible that you survive the night whether or not we lynch jgordon. I'd assume we'd have at least a watcher or maybe even other protective roles. Busdriver would be useful as well. Either way, I would think you would have some sort of protection tonight. That's regardless of whether we lynch jgordon or not.

As for lynching someone else, Hitler is only one role, so while it's nice if we could get him today, the odds say we're probably not going to get him. In fact, the odds are that we lynch a town player as there are many more townies than mafia.

[jak111]

Well we gotta shoot for something. Lynching a Survivor really isn't going to get us further. I can see both sides of the argument but keep in mind there are 3-5 mafia in the game, we have a pretty good view of who we all think are scummy, why not take a pot shot or at least make a case instead of complaining about time and stuff? Time is irrelevant to the game for now, right now we need to agree on something and if you look at the posts above you, WIFOMing the doc claim isn't really using what little time we have left resourcefully. It looks a lot like people trying to look like they're thinking when they're wanting the day to end, whether their scum or town who want the day gone.

[thechuck51]

ask and ye shall receive...

So I don't think anyone picked up except one or two that I was even so much as soft claiming until I said I was. So this argument can be dropped, you all chose to pressure me into it, and I wouldn't have even fully claimed if Doom didn't say a single word about it. If you're looking for more to the story there is none, I tried teeth and nails to keep myself hidden but nope, you all started compiling 'cases' and FOS's out of thin air. What did you expect the outcome to be? "Oh yea, I'm VT" <.< Mind you that would've been a smarter thing to do, but of course then it'd be "Let's lynch a VT, they're useless" And if I claimed after that it'd be "Why are you switching your claim? Trying to seem important?"

you were at 3 votes so there wasn't that much pressure even if there were a couple of FOS's. They aren't a big deal until they turn into votes

perhaps leading the league in posts per day wasn't the best way to keep yourself hidden.

not necessarily true. I don't think you can say VT = auto lynch. We have seen with JGordon that many players value activity and you have been very active

fastposted by jak

I can put the doc stuff on the back-burner for now but I intend to re-visit it day 2

[safariguy5]

Well we gotta shoot for something. Lynching a Survivor really isn't going to get us further. I can see both sides of the argument but keep in mind there are 3-5 mafia in the game, we have a pretty good view of who we all think are scummy, why not take a pot shot or at least make a case instead of complaining about time and stuff? Time is irrelevant to the game for now, right now we need to agree on something and if you look at the posts above you, WIFOMing the doc claim isn't really using what little time we have left resourcefully. It looks a lot like people trying to look like they're thinking when they're wanting the day to end, whether their scum or town who want the day gone.

I've already said multiple times that I think with the two claims we have, we risk outting another town power role, and I think we have enough leads that we have plenty to pursue on Day 2. Like I said, if they were 2 VT claims, then pursuing another case might make sense, but I do not believe we should get another case out there now, especially seeing how the existing cases lack concrete evidence in my opinion. Matters of opinion regarding the meaning or lack of meaning behind certain posts doesn't constitute strong enough evidence by their own to warrant voting by me.

[Rodion]

i know the feelind of agitation. i felt a little when the fake case came upon me...ask ghostly and new guy i was yellling lol.

You guys seem to do this a lot (take this post from another game as an example: viewtopic.php?p=3694316#p3694316 ).

With all due respect, please consider that this is borderline cheating. In all the laughing/yelling/raging/whatever you share about ongoing games through the telephone you may end up unknowingly revealing things you shouldn't. Even something as innocent as "I cannot believe all these retards will force me to CLAIM!!!" could be "game meaningful" (as in the way you stressed the word "CLAIM" softclaimed a power role and your RL buddy is mafia and will kill you the following night).

I caution you guys to think deeply before you share "feelings" regarding any mafia game you play to make sure the integrity of the game is not compromised. I'm saying this in the most peaceful and respectful way. Here's a smile to go with it.

~Waits for my post on the last page to stop being skimmed before I bother trying to defend myself at all anymore~

-.- See, now people wonder why I don't want to use my power tonight. Because I don't see many really worthy of it. If you don't want to bother even listening to my defense why should I make one and why should I defend someone who skims over it?

If you are so sure mafia is killing you, then the decision of who you protect is pretty much irrelevant (as you already know mafia is killing you, mafia is not killing anyone else).

It's bugging me that many posts of yours have "mafia will N1 kill me" while others go "players don't deserve my protection". Putting both together creates something like "I can't find anyone worthy of being N1 protected of a NK that will not be targeted at them by process of elimination (as it will be targeted at me)".

No I never have. I am currently playing in this game, matrix, and a newbie game on mafiascum and these games are my first experience other than reading through some old games in the archives

From the way you play, I could bet you had previous experience. Would you mind sending me a link to your MS game/profile?

What I mean by 100% if we lynch JG. I mentioned earlier that I have another power. If we kill Hitler within 3 days of me being alive as well, we go through a night unharmed. (Which / tried to make some point about it being potentially good for mafia too ) So if we lynch JG, a survivor who is not Hitler, then I'm dead. If we lynch somebody else, and they turn Hitler I get another day and no one dies tonight But of course, who'd want to try for that, when we can just lynch the Survivor now and let the Doc die tonight.. Those two are annoying anyhow

Hopefully that explains your question Rodion. You're less complex to answer to and at least you read what I'm saying -.-.

I think I understand now.

Back when you originally claimed, I understood that if we had killed Hitler before N3, N3 would have no casualties.
It seems like the no casualties night could be N1 or N2 also depending on when Hitler dies?

Anyway, rest assured you are not 100% sure to be nightkilled if Jgordon (or whomever) is lynched. You could be protected by other town power roles if they exist. Even if they do not exist, mafia might be scared of the possibility that they exist and try not to kill you (back in NBC Mafia, town outed the doctor D1. I asked for a watcher to target him. Even though town did not have a watcher, mafia decided to kill someone else and hit a VT ). Bahhh, I see Safari just said that. Either way I'm not deleting what I just wrote, especially since it features one of "Rodion's good plays".

I finally caught up.

As for my top 3:

Jgordon - for not believing he is a survivor (1) and knowing that even if he is we don't lose much since he is not town AND vanilla(2)

Safari - for some weird things like the Gimli vote that seems to have been cast purely out of necessity to please PMC (so, now you're a pushover? I'd rather see you stick to your guns when PMC pressured you or even provide input on who you thought was scummy without having to cast the Gimli vote). Pressuring Safari is also good from an insurance perspective (I'd rather not elaborate on that, but I can if people force me to).

Chap - check his vote on Yoshi. Chap fails to understand the difference between the "early D1 jokevoting period" (when reasons are not required to cast a vote) and "post-jokevoting D1" (when reasons ARE required if you wish to get a claim out of someone - the reasons can even be weak in absolute terms, as long as they are strong in relative terms). Chap should know better and his failure to acknowledge something so elementary (he is not a newbie anymore) can only be interpreted as a scumtell (it's a bigger scumtell if Yoshi flips town, smaller if he flips mafia).

*Jak's absence from the list derives exclusively from claiming doctor

[pmchugh]

Like I was saying before, I know the reason softclaiming abilities in such a manner hurts town and helps scum, since the topic has been revived and it would no longer pertain to anyone's motives that need to be answered for, I believe I should state it.

Scenario A, let's say a player is the actual town doc, they say something like "who I protect is my business" or whatever to hint at their role.
For the sake or argument, let's just say in this fictitious game 1/2 of the players are people who will never pick up at subtly, and the other half get it outright, given a typical ratio, one half of town knows, one half of scum knows, if even one scum knows, all scum will know by night one, and the one half of town will be ignorant, obviously better to just outright state it or say nothing.

Scenario B, This player in question is Scum, he makes a similar statement "I know who isn't getting protection tonight" or whatever.
as scum they have nothing to fear from scum, and in certain themes (like this one) one can be fairly sure 3rd party serial killers aren't abound, we will use the same statistics, 1/2 of town catches on, if the cop is one they can say to themselves "oh the doc, no use following that up", the town majority thinks "oh the doc, we shouldn't' pressure him", the actual doc think "hmm, should I out myself to hit scum day one or not? Could they be a doc too?"

B.1 Let's say "yes, I should counterclaim" thinks the doc, "Hey man, you aren't the doc, I am!" says the doc. The scum replies with plenty of vague wiggle room, "I never claimed to be the doc idiot, I said 'protect', I'm the bodyguard, nice job outing us both!" the scum lives on and the doc is outed

B.2 Doc thinks "I'm not sure yet" and the scum lives on with all the benefits.


And that's why soft claiming as the doc is not a good town maneuver, and soft claiming as scum is empowering.
I'm sure there are exceptions, but that's the basics for day one when no one knows what will been done yet.

So you really think that lynching the claimed doctor is a good idea? Ironically I take this as a soft claim itself, which you yourself decry. I completely disagree with rodion and yourself, I think that jak has been town telling a lot. If he flips mafia I will be incredibly impressed, his scum hunting has been extremely genuine even if his soft claiming was extremely poor.

If you look at his hard claim it all seems to make sense and lynching him would be far far too risky. I would FOS you for this but honestly I am not sure even you would have the guts to try and get the doctor lynched as mafia but I guess that's WIFOM.

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So you really think that lynching the claimed doctor is a good idea? Ironically I take this as a soft claim itself, which you yourself decry. I completely disagree with rodion and yourself, I think that jak has been town telling a lot. If he flips mafia I will be incredibly impressed, his scum hunting has been extremely genuine even if his soft claiming was extremely poor.

If you look at his hard claim it all seems to make sense and lynching him would be far far too risky. I would FOS you for this but honestly I am not sure even you would have the guts to try and get the doctor lynched as mafia but I guess that's WIFOM.

The entire point of my post, if you had read it.
as for the rest.

My top three, by suspicion would include jak, because frankly I don't believe his claimed name or special ability, but I will leave him redacted from the list because it is the type of thing that needs later confirmation and definitely not a lynch at this point.

*Jak's absence from the list derives exclusively from claiming doctor

oh yeah, the two of us are pushing sooooo hard for his lynch *sarcasm*

hmm, I wonder what your reaction means? Things hitting a little too close to home? Skimming? Or are you just trying to kiss the doc's butt so he'll be ineffectual?
FOS PMC

The only reason I posted such, is because the topic of softclaiming and outing softclaims became an issue again pages 51 and 52, but apparently having any sort of discussion makes nooses magically grow around people necks. You heard pmchugh people! Be extra careful not to discuss the weight or meaning of actions, people could die!

[pmchugh]

Well I actually have to admit to some skimming here, inb4 jgordon lynches me. I was initially wondering why you were discussing this at all, well after the event. I then went back to look at your list to see if you wanted him lynched but I didn't read to the end of it and assumed that you did

But that bring me back to my original question; what's the point in bringing this up?

Now it is true that on 51-52 there was discussion on it but I don't see it as contributing to finding a lynch other than to agree with thechuck and clever.

/ has stolen my thunder a little but my top choices (listed in order of scumminess) are

1- JGordon: I don't buy his survivor claim. Something fishy about claiming when there were only 3 people voting him. And even if I am wrong we would be lynching a survivor which I still feel is no real loss for the town. If I am right then I think town steamrolls to a win.

2 - Jak: He has been ultra-defensive of JGordon, he would rather no-lynch than lose him plus I don't like the doctor soft claim. What purpose does it serve? I don't see a town doctor claiming unless a lynch was imminent. The only reason I see for somebody to claim doc otherwise is if they are mafia and are trying to bait the real doctor for a counter-claim. Anybody associated with the claim is suspect to me, which brings me too...

3 - NewGuy1: Real quick to support named claims by JGordon and Jak. Also would rather no-lynch than lose JGordon. He was in on the doc soft claim stuff as well.

4&5 - Doom & PMC are suspicious by association for being involved in the doc soft claim. Doom for "outing" it to everybody, PMC for being part of jak directing the doc prior to his soft claim.

fastposted x a bunch

If anything /, its more suspicious that you and rodion are egging on people in support of a doc lynch as opposed to actually supporting the lynch. It is not risky to say why a claimed doc looked scummy in one instance but it is risky to advocate his lynch, although you may still convince people that he is maf doing the former. Granted this is a bit of a push.

[ghostly447]

Official Simplified Vote Count

With 18 alive, it takes 10 to lynch

Jgordon – /, Rodion, Spartacus, thechuck
PMC – Spartacus
Gimili – Safariguy
New guy1 – Chapcrap
Everywhere – Leehar
Chapcrap – PMC, Jak, jgordon, doomyoshi

Solid Deadline is 5/7/12 at around 9pm EST

I believe I found a replacement for the player who possibly needs it. As of now, I decided that it does NOT take an unvote to vote for someone new. If you can help me out by typing the extra 6 letters, awesome, but its not required.

[ghostly447]

spartacus counted twice. But he is probably getting replaced soon as he requested (next 24 hours) so his will be wiped anyhow.

[Some7hingCLEVER]

i know the feelind of agitation. i felt a little when the fake case came upon me...ask ghostly and new guy i was yellling lol.

You guys seem to do this a lot (take this post from another game as an example: viewtopic.php?p=3694316#p3694316 ).

With all due respect, please consider that this is borderline cheating. In all the laughing/yelling/raging/whatever you share about ongoing games through the telephone you may end up unknowingly revealing things you shouldn't. Even something as innocent as "I cannot believe all these retards will force me to CLAIM!!!" could be "game meaningful" (as in the way you stressed the word "CLAIM" softclaimed a power role and your RL buddy is mafia and will kill you the following night).

I caution you guys to think deeply before you share "feelings" regarding any mafia game you play to make sure the integrity of the game is not compromised. I'm saying this in the most peaceful and respectful way. Here's a smile to go with it.

i apologize for that. we really dont say anything especially not in this game lolol we would get mod killed

[new guy1]

Obviously . We dont discuss certain games, we just discuss mafia in general 99% of the time... unless one of us is dead, then the person thats alive discusses their plans with the dead sucker

[chapcrap]

About chuck: I can't believe he got offended when he was picked on. He must be scum... I feel like he's contributed more than Rodion. I mean, look at Rodion's last post. He was bringing up stuff that had already been talked about and we were through with. What was the point of even making that post? To appear active and townish? That's all it seems like to me. I don't like Rodion's play so far in this game.

You mean when I remembered the busdriver question you asked (something around the lines of "what's the point of it?") and answered it? Or the post before that, which was also a "catch up" post?

I'm not contributing much this game and I've already explained why, but rest assured all my posts are intelligent and quality should trump quantity most of the time.

No, I meant how in your post all you did was rehash how SG7 tried to give you his vote when we already established that it wasn't a talking point. It wasn't a catch up post, it was a useless post. Your last post was useless too. You aren't bringing anything to the table.

@ Rodion, as I was reading it over I seen the bandwagon again, but initially forgot about it. If you wish to find a simple way to get the voters on Doom's bw feel free to do so, but I went through page for page for the info I got. But I believe I mentioned earlier I'm doing a full read through of both mafia's I'm in this weekend. So what I posted was a bit quicker than what I'm working on tomorrow and Sunday.
Also I'll make sure to check up on Chap's posts. PMC and you seem to be really on him, so I'll see if I can't dig some old info back up on him

Would be easier if everyone voted him with the same name. I reckon some people voted "Doom" while some voted "Yoshi" and others voted "DoomYoshi", so it's hard to use the search feature to find the information we want. I'll be interested in going back to research this if you flip mafia (but with the doctor claim, I believe you won't). Then I'd check Yoshi's bandwagon to find players that you should have "pressured" after doing the overall analysis but did not because you forgot to add Doom's data.

For the first part, I honestly forgot the BW on Doom. If I live through tonight I'll go back and check.

You forgot about the DoomYoshi BW and are calling other people skimmers? You have been saying some stuff that just doesn't make any sense. The only reason people haven't made a case on you is because you claimed doctor and no one has counter claimed. I don't know how pmc thinks you're acting like town.

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[everywhere116]

So someone keep a note of this somewhere if I die tonight (100% likely if we kill of jg).

Are you saying you are more likely to be nightkilled if the claimed survivor gets lynched? Conversely, by not lynching the claimed survivor we are less likely to lose our claimed doctor?

Care to explain why?

Finally, something I can reply to without bias accusations or skimming.

For the first part, I honestly forgot the BW on Doom. If I live through tonight I'll go back and check.

What I mean by 100% if we lynch JG. I mentioned earlier that I have another power. If we kill Hitler within 3 days of me being alive as well, we go through a night unharmed. (Which / tried to make some point about it being potentially good for mafia too ) So if we lynch JG, a survivor who is not Hitler, then I'm dead. If we lynch somebody else, and they turn Hitler I get another day and no one dies tonight But of course, who'd want to try for that, when we can just lynch the Survivor now and let the Doc die tonight.. Those two are annoying anyhow

Hopefully that explains your question Rodion. You're less complex to answer to and at least you read what I'm saying -.-.

This still doesn't answer the question. By saying that there is a 100% chance tat you'll die if jg is lynched, you're implying that it isn't if jg lives to see tonight. Why? Do you expect the scum to kill jg?

Obviously . We dont discuss certain games, we just discuss mafia in general 99% of the time... unless one of us is dead, then the person thats alive discusses their plans with the dead sucker

It's still questionable unless you both are dead. The dead are not allowed to influence the game in any way, be it night actions, game related posts, etc. Bouncing plans off a dead person is still going to get their feedback and will still influence you, a live player, and your actions.

[pmchugh]

Ach lay off them. I talk, or at least used to, to fir, nag and frenchie about games that they are not alive in. I'm sure that they are not giving each other tactical advice.

[Leehar]

Sheesh, sorry for not commenting in seeming ages! Takes ages to catch up when you fall behind, specially when you want to do it all at once, otherwise you lose the plot even more
I see I'm still voting everywhere, so Unvote, tho I'm still somewhat concerned about his pressure of jak and jg shortly after chuck tried raising that as well.
Hadn't we all dredged up everything that was possible on those 2 a fortnight ago? Heck, if that's the road we were gonna take, then why the need for this extended deadline?
So you, I'm concerned about all the guys that have been wanting to stall the game by bringing up those things again, so, chuck, everywhere and / remain a worry (the latter 2 because it seems they've been mostly submarining only to pop up to go after the doc)
I don't agree with pmc on rodion being similar, and I'm liking Rod's tackling of chuck because even if the guys supposedly a newb, he's also giving me some discomfiting vibes.

Where is gimli btw, I remember the hoo hah about saf voting him, did he ever get his role pm? Because ghostly's also still asking for a replacement? Saf's vote counted tho, so I assume gimli does need to check in?

[jgordon1111]

Sheesh, sorry for not commenting in seeming ages! Takes ages to catch up when you fall behind, specially when you want to do it all at once, otherwise you lose the plot even more
I see I'm still voting everywhere, so Unvote, tho I'm still somewhat concerned about his pressure of jak and jg shortly after chuck tried raising that as well.
Hadn't we all dredged up everything that was possible on those 2 a fortnight ago? Heck, if that's the road we were gonna take, then why the need for this extended deadline?
So you, I'm concerned about all the guys that have been wanting to stall the game by bringing up those things again, so, chuck, everywhere and / remain a worry (the latter 2 because it seems they've been mostly submarining only to pop up to go after the doc)
I don't agree with pmc on rodion being similar, and I'm liking Rod's tackling of chuck because even if the guys supposedly a newb, he's also giving me some discomfiting vibes.

Where is gimli btw, I remember the hoo hah about saf voting him, did he ever get his role pm? Because ghostly's also still asking for a replacement? Saf's vote counted tho, so I assume gimli does need to check in?

Correct leehar there is some significant stalling going on,and if something gets going on someone else for pressure,the game keeps being redirected back down the road to the same stuff that has been covered over and over again. There are a few that it seems if they cant rush the lynch want to at least stall for the deadline.

Other than that everything is perfect lol.

[jak111]

So someone keep a note of this somewhere if I die tonight (100% likely if we kill of jg).

Are you saying you are more likely to be nightkilled if the claimed survivor gets lynched? Conversely, by not lynching the claimed survivor we are less likely to lose our claimed doctor?

Care to explain why?

Finally, something I can reply to without bias accusations or skimming.

For the first part, I honestly forgot the BW on Doom. If I live through tonight I'll go back and check.

What I mean by 100% if we lynch JG. I mentioned earlier that I have another power. If we kill Hitler within 3 days of me being alive as well, we go through a night unharmed. (Which / tried to make some point about it being potentially good for mafia too ) So if we lynch JG, a survivor who is not Hitler, then I'm dead. If we lynch somebody else, and they turn Hitler I get another day and no one dies tonight But of course, who'd want to try for that, when we can just lynch the Survivor now and let the Doc die tonight.. Those two are annoying anyhow

Hopefully that explains your question Rodion. You're less complex to answer to and at least you read what I'm saying -.-.

This still doesn't answer the question. By saying that there is a 100% chance tat you'll die if jg is lynched, you're implying that it isn't if jg lives to see tonight. Why? Do you expect the scum to kill jg?

Obviously . We dont discuss certain games, we just discuss mafia in general 99% of the time... unless one of us is dead, then the person thats alive discusses their plans with the dead sucker

It's still questionable unless you both are dead. The dead are not allowed to influence the game in any way, be it night actions, game related posts, etc. Bouncing plans off a dead person is still going to get their feedback and will still influence you, a live player, and your actions.

Please Everywhere, save a lot of people a lot of grief of trying to get it through your thick skull, and reread my entire post you JUST quoted... FOS for skimming the post you just quoted Everywhere, there's no way it's a noob error, you've been playing for seems for a while now.

[jak111]

I don't know how pmc thinks you're acting like town.

I'm sort of wondering how anyone believes you're acting like town. Seriously, the cases on me and JG are cold until tomorrow, so why bother? There's nothing more to be added.

ask and ye shall receive...

So I don't think anyone picked up except one or two that I was even so much as soft claiming until I said I was. So this argument can be dropped, you all chose to pressure me into it, and I wouldn't have even fully claimed if Doom didn't say a single word about it. If you're looking for more to the story there is none, I tried teeth and nails to keep myself hidden but nope, you all started compiling 'cases' and FOS's out of thin air. What did you expect the outcome to be? "Oh yea, I'm VT" <.< Mind you that would've been a smarter thing to do, but of course then it'd be "Let's lynch a VT, they're useless" And if I claimed after that it'd be "Why are you switching your claim? Trying to seem important?"

you were at 3 votes so there wasn't that much pressure even if there were a couple of FOS's. They aren't a big deal until they turn into votes

perhaps leading the league in posts per day wasn't the best way to keep yourself hidden.

not necessarily true. I don't think you can say VT = auto lynch. We have seen with JGordon that many players value activity and you have been very active

fastposted by jak

I can put the doc stuff on the back-burner for now but I intend to re-visit it day 2

As for this, you, Clever, Chap, Everywhere, and / have me confused? You're working together some secret alliance? Perhaps one or two town in between? The four of you are working on cases against a claimed doc when the case is freezing cold and you want more?
First Chuck wants to bring it back up, then / makes a post continuing it, and Chap, Everywhere and Clever follow like sheep.

Though I can make this bet since I'm trying to get good at sniping mafia in D1's and D2's. Out of these 5 I can promise one or two of them are mafia

[jgordon1111]

I am betting on two of them, and planning on at the end of the game laughing and giving out the obvious I told you so.

But only laughing at those that let themselves be blindly lead.

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PMC suggests top three list

Chapcrap's list
Jak's list
Doom's lazy $#$@ bandwaggon
/'s list
PMC's list
thechuck's list
Everywhere's list
Doom's actual list
rodion's list

Bad listless people
1. jgordon
2. new guy1
3. CLEVER
4. SG7
6. Dazza
7. Safariguy
9. Crazymilkshake5 replaced by gimli1990
10. Ragian
12. SPARTACUS1974
13. Leehar

Nomination Tally

safari: 6 nominations; Chap, jak, /, pmc, doom, rodion
jgordon: 5 Nominations; Chap, /, chuck, every, rodion
newguy: 5 nominations; Chap, /, chuck, every, doom
Chap: 4 nominations; Jak, pmc, doom, rodion
Doom: 3 nominations; Jak, pmc, chuck
everywhere: 2 nominations; /, doom
jak: 2 nominations; chuck, every
pmc: 2 nominations; Chap, chuck

Safari tops off with six, despite for some reason not having a single vote on him. A whole bunch of people have no lists so far, ok we have like 5 days left, this was the last count.
viewtopic.php?f=213&t=165179&start=825#p3716725
what now?

[Leehar]

Ok, I'll turn my last post into a list format, sheesh >_>

/
everywhere
chuck

Happy?

[Some7hingCLEVER]

I don't know how pmc thinks you're acting like town.

I'm sort of wondering how anyone believes you're acting like town. Seriously, the cases on me and JG are cold until tomorrow, so why bother? There's nothing more to be added.

ask and ye shall receive...

So I don't think anyone picked up except one or two that I was even so much as soft claiming until I said I was. So this argument can be dropped, you all chose to pressure me into it, and I wouldn't have even fully claimed if Doom didn't say a single word about it. If you're looking for more to the story there is none, I tried teeth and nails to keep myself hidden but nope, you all started compiling 'cases' and FOS's out of thin air. What did you expect the outcome to be? "Oh yea, I'm VT" <.< Mind you that would've been a smarter thing to do, but of course then it'd be "Let's lynch a VT, they're useless" And if I claimed after that it'd be "Why are you switching your claim? Trying to seem important?"

you were at 3 votes so there wasn't that much pressure even if there were a couple of FOS's. They aren't a big deal until they turn into votes

perhaps leading the league in posts per day wasn't the best way to keep yourself hidden.

not necessarily true. I don't think you can say VT = auto lynch. We have seen with JGordon that many players value activity and you have been very active

fastposted by jak

I can put the doc stuff on the back-burner for now but I intend to re-visit it day 2

As for this, you, Clever, Chap, Everywhere, and / have me confused? You're working together some secret alliance? Perhaps one or two town in between? The four of you are working on cases against a claimed doc when the case is freezing cold and you want more?
First Chuck wants to bring it back up, then / makes a post continuing it, and Chap, Everywhere and Clever follow like sheep.

Though I can make this bet since I'm trying to get good at sniping mafia in D1's and D2's. Out of these 5 I can promise one or two of them are mafia

quick comment. where did i say i wanted to get rid of the doc? i dont believe i did?