Two Sides Mafia: Side B, EndGame, It Spreads

by **Some7hingCLEVER** on Tue May 01, 2012 8:16 am

Some7hingCLEVER wrote:
Some7hingCLEVER wrote:
new guy1 wrote:I believe that there are no killers on that side, besides maybe an arsonist. I believe it is a cult, and so if you could find a cult member possibly to shoot then it would be good to keep them down or even get there leader (this is assuming there is a cult). I dont know how to take your vig proposition, but I believe we could utilize it if used properly.

cult? what is a cult? never been in a game with one.

ok the hell bent one and this post and the one after are the only ones i made about a cult. here i ask what it is.

Some7hingCLEVER wrote:
new guy1 wrote:
Some7hingCLEVER wrote:
new guy1 wrote:I believe that there are no killers on that side, besides maybe an arsonist. I believe it is a cult, and so if you could find a cult member possibly to shoot then it would be good to keep them down or even get there leader (this is assuming there is a cult). I dont know how to take your vig proposition, but I believe we could utilize it if used properly.

cult? what is a cult? never been in a game with one.

Cult is a person recruiting all the others to get a majority and win the game through a majority instead of killing the competition. If that makes sense to you.

oh thats awesome lol but would there really be one in here?

here i comment on if there would be one.

Some7hingCLEVER wrote:
new guy1 wrote:I dont have anything that would generate a correct lynch. Therefore, I am thinking since all the players that were active before are now silencing themselves because they do not want to give any information of their possible new allignment in a cult and therefore I believe we should look at the players that were active for a while and now have stopped talking. What does everyone else think about this?

why are you so hell bent on a dang cult?

this was after those posts but in this game. he had mentioned it in the other game plenty of times.
here i ask why he thinks it
not what it is, which i already asked
not would it be here, which i already asked
but why he thinks it is here.

are these not valid questions to ask before i go believeing a theory.

steve hawking-"hey guys there are black holes out there"
other scientist-"what is that...where would it be....why do you think its here"
steve hawkings-"nah thats not important. what is important is that im a scientist(cop) so you should just follow my ideas"

by **new guy1** on Tue May 01, 2012 8:25 am

Well while I love the steven hawking reference, I believe that I have given enough evidence to tell you why I believe there is a cult, enough evidence to say that you defended said cult, enough evidence that you are trying to side step my arguements by pointing flaws out in my case without stating evidence that there is no cult, and enough evidence to say that you are skimming anyways. So I dont know why you seem to think that I have given no evidence to support my claim, but you know, I guess thats how a skimmer works

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by **drunkmonkey** on Tue May 01, 2012 8:38 am

new guy1 wrote:
drunkmonkey wrote:Here's what's bugging me:
a) jonty has admitted to being the "Anti B" killer on Side A
b) / has claimed a victory for town on Side A

Why are the townies on Side A being so cautious about lynching jonty?

1: We are on side B and I have asked questions and brought a case, what is your take on it?

2: I am willing to lynch him, I just need more people over there to agree.

I understand what side we're on. I'm dead in A, so I can't talk in that thread. Over here, however, I can voice my frustration when no one wants to kill the only admitted Side B threat when we're having trouble determining what kind of threat we're facing. Why do you need others to agree before you vote for him? Take a stand; maybe they'll follow.

I'm not sure what to make of clever. He's acting strange, but I've learned he's hard to read because he always plays dumb. Take this, for instance:

Some7hingCLEVER wrote:i stole crazy milkshakes vote i believe. i can prove it. or maybe he can to.

What do you mean, you "believe"? Look at your inbox/sent messages and tell us what you did. Just like it isn't that hard to look up what a cult is, it should be simple to tell us what your night action was.

That being said, we're either dealing with
a) a mafia with great fakeclaims who are are either flying under the radar or being inexplicably blocked every night, or
b) some other anti-town faction
It's looking more like B. An arsonist has been mentioned, but I think that's a ridiculous notion. There's no way / would allow someone to stack up kills for 4 nights (at least I would hope not). Cult seems like our most likely option. I've never played a cult game, so I've never seen the mechanics of it at work. I don't really know how to go about hunting cult, so I guess clever's play is our best tell right now.

I went back to see who thought arson was a legitimate threat, and found two names:

Some7hingCLEVER wrote:
crazymilkshake5 wrote:What if hidden danger is an arson?

lol i like arson better lololol but ok if there is a cult what do we do?

The only thing we know about milkshake right now is that he's invincible. He might be a good investigation target too.

by **Some7hingCLEVER** on Tue May 01, 2012 8:42 am

thanks drunkmonkey im glad someone else is active

i didnt really believe there was an arson before that post i said that i liked the idea of a cult (flavor wise) and then i said i liked arson better. not that i thought there was one. thought i would say that before someone went of on me for it.

by **new guy1** on Tue May 01, 2012 8:43 am

Okay, well the thing with hunting a cult (never been in a game but its worth a shot) is we need to see who has gone silent. And it ticks me off because if they have CLEVER and Crazy is not in the cult, then they have 6 votes, enough for a win. Im thinking the only reason we havent lost is because of a vig, which with me mentioning it now I can assume that he needs to get the right target tonight otherwise it doesnt even matter. Therefore, I can tell you the game is pretty much over unless we get a cult member today and the vig gets another tonight. Therefore, to determine if there is mafia on this side, vig, did you kill anyone and if so who did you kill?

fastposted

by **Some7hingCLEVER** on Tue May 01, 2012 8:57 am

new guy1 wrote:Well while I love the steven hawking reference, I believe that I have given enough evidence to tell you why I believe there is a cult, enough evidence to say that you defended said cult, enough evidence that you are trying to side step my arguements by pointing flaws out in my case without stating evidence that there is no cult, and enough evidence to say that you are skimming anyways. So I dont know why you seem to think that I have given no evidence to support my claim, but you know, I guess thats how a skimmer works .

exactly which is why i only asked it one time. you gave your reasoning i looked for every posibility and came up to the conclusion that i thought that yes it is very possible there is one. am i not supposed to point out flaws? your bringing a case upon me and thats what i am supposed to do is it not? and yes i do apologize for that tid bit of skimming as i say games leak togethor. i wasnt gonna say there was no cult and i never did i merely questioned the possiblities. is that so wrong? your making this case out of nothing and its causeing a shit storm.

ok had this typed up so i got fastposted by myself lol thats a first
in your scenario there is me and not crazy in a cult. therefore we could all vote the vig and win. end of game. so why has that not happened yet. thats a pretty big flaw

by **new guy1** on Tue May 01, 2012 9:03 am

That is a flaw, one I havent figured out yet. It would seem like at least one cult member would realize this and send a cue to vote teh vig, but it hasnt happened and I dont know why.

by **Some7hingCLEVER** on Tue May 01, 2012 9:05 am

new guy1 wrote:That is a flaw, one I havent figured out yet. It would seem like at least one cult member would realize this and send a cue to vote teh vig, but it hasnt happened and I dont know why.

well cause they cant. im not in it and if they do that town outnumbers them in votes since im not in it. thats why.

by **new guy1** on Tue May 01, 2012 9:27 am

Some7hingCLEVER wrote:
new guy1 wrote:That is a flaw, one I havent figured out yet. It would seem like at least one cult member would realize this and send a cue to vote teh vig, but it hasnt happened and I dont know why.

well cause they cant. im not in it and if they do that town outnumbers them in votes since im not in it. thats why.

Now your rushing to conclusions. All threats are not eliminated, vig is still there. Therefore you have not technically won as a cult, even if you have a double vote, as at the very start it would be seen as you dont know who the vig is and therefore he could shoot down the cult leader and technically win the game depending if you could double vote that day or not. This means that if the vig lives, the cult cannot win and that supports my reasoning of a cult.

by **Some7hingCLEVER** on Tue May 01, 2012 9:29 am

new guy1 wrote:
Some7hingCLEVER wrote:
new guy1 wrote:That is a flaw, one I havent figured out yet. It would seem like at least one cult member would realize this and send a cue to vote teh vig, but it hasnt happened and I dont know why.

well cause they cant. im not in it and if they do that town outnumbers them in votes since im not in it. thats why.

Now your rushing to conclusions. All threats are not eliminated, vig is still there. Therefore you have not technically won as a cult, even if you have a double vote, as at the very start it would be seen as you dont know who the vig is and therefore he could shoot down the cult leader and technically win the game depending if you could double vote that day or not. This means that if the vig lives, the cult cannot win and that supports my reasoning of a cult.

well dont you think we could all do majority bote and kill the vig and we wouldnt be ale to stop them.

by **soundman** on Tue May 01, 2012 12:38 pm

new guy1 wrote:Therefore, to determine if there is mafia on this side, vig, did you kill anyone and if so who did you kill?

How does that determine if there is mafia on this side? There have only been two deaths on this side. Jonty was lynch and Saf was deadline killed.

by **Some7hingCLEVER** on Tue May 01, 2012 3:11 pm

soundman wrote:
new guy1 wrote:Therefore, to determine if there is mafia on this side, vig, did you kill anyone and if so who did you kill?

How does that determine if there is mafia on this side? There have only been two deaths on this side. Jonty was lynch and Saf was deadline killed.

lol now your skimming new guy? it must be catching on!

by **new guy1** on Tue May 01, 2012 3:57 pm

Some7hingCLEVER wrote:
soundman wrote:
new guy1 wrote:Therefore, to determine if there is mafia on this side, vig, did you kill anyone and if so who did you kill?

How does that determine if there is mafia on this side? There have only been two deaths on this side. Jonty was lynch and Saf was deadline killed.

lol now your skimming new guy? it must be catching on!

Sorry, I thought I remembered jonty being NK'ed, but I now remember that he was lynched after claiming. And also Clever, that was days ago, this was yesterday when safari was transfered out. There was even a nice post by / saying "Time to kill". Also, if thats all you have on me then thats terrible.

by / on Tue May 01, 2012 6:13 pm

The Vote Count

Clever, 2 votes: Newguy, Pancake

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch, deadline thursday

by **Some7hingCLEVER** on Tue May 01, 2012 6:48 pm

new guy1 wrote:
Some7hingCLEVER wrote:
soundman wrote:
new guy1 wrote:Therefore, to determine if there is mafia on this side, vig, did you kill anyone and if so who did you kill?

How does that determine if there is mafia on this side? There have only been two deaths on this side. Jonty was lynch and Saf was deadline killed.

lol now your skimming new guy? it must be catching on!

Sorry, I thought I remembered jonty being NK'ed, but I now remember that he was lynched after claiming. And also Clever, that was days ago, this was yesterday when safari was transfered out. There was even a nice post by / saying "Time to kill". Also, if thats all you have on me then thats terrible.

lol i was joking i know i skimmed. i didnt mean to. its just this game has a tendency to not have a kill.

by **new guy1** on Tue May 01, 2012 6:51 pm

I realize this. It was one of my reasons of there being a cult.

by **Some7hingCLEVER** on Tue May 01, 2012 6:52 pm

new guy1 wrote:I realize this. It was one of my reasons of there being a cult.

ya i know and i agree now that i look at it.

by **Rodion** on Tue May 01, 2012 8:03 pm

Let's assume there is a cult.

If we decide to work from the premise that there is a cult, our priority has to be finding the recruiter. Finding one of the "goons" would not be much of a victory if they can just recruit someone else tonight. After the recruiter is killed, we worry about the "goons".

Clever should be able to prove he is not the recruiter by showing us both of his votes (pick two different players and cast a vote on each - I ask for different players so that the cult cannot use your 2 votes as a speedlynch trampoline).

Since the game is not over, the recruiter is most likely one of the players that PCM jailkept, as that would mean 1 less cultist and 1 more townie. PCM targeted Safari, VS, Edocsil and Soundman. Safari is dead, leaving us 3 options:
VS - claimed skitzo
Edocsil - claimed miller
Soundman - claimed vigilante and confirmed by Monkey (means that if Soundman is the recruiter, we have Monkey surely implicated as one of the goons)

Those 3 would be the most likely cult recruiters, but bear with me that this is not foolproof. If we are dealing with a cult, by now we should have several town power roles that switched sides and we don't know when they did (which means some of the claimed night actions could be fake since D2).

I'd like to hear everyone's opinion on who is the most likely recruiter in their opinion (it doesn't have to be anyone from my top 3 list).

As I said, vote to prove your powers, Clever.
Victor, claim your bloody night action(s).
/, prod Victor asap.