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Oh also, I suspect newguy because he vigorously and immediately (see post times), backed Jak every step of the way pages 21-24, rather than letting jak stand on his own through questioning, I think it may have either been an attempt to save a partners fakeclaim, or buddying the doc.

[jak111]

Oh also, I suspect newguy because he vigorously and immediately (see post times), backed Jak every step of the way pages 21-24, rather than letting jak stand on his own through questioning, I think it may have either been an attempt to save a partners fakeclaim, or buddying the doc.

Ah, good catch. Obviously there'll be people trying to play the good guy to the doc.

But my question is. (THIS IS TO EVERYONE) Should we start crossing off names that shouldn't be questioned and voted for for D1 only. Or continue making a huge list?

[jgordon1111]

As of now, the only people I would consider are

• jgordon
• pmc
• newguy
• safari

I wouldn't have put safari on the list until he voted gimli. Maybe he was joking...It seemed serious and really ridiculous.

The reason I (half-jokingly) agreed with Doom about a post limit is because not everything you guys have posted is helpful at all, especially jgordon. You have been giving almost no helpful posts. All of your posts are just commentary on others' gameplay. It's kind of ridiculous.

@pmc, I can have justified votes and want to bandwagon on Day 1. Those do not have to be mutually exclusive.

You are exactly right about my post's being a commentary on others gameplay chap,I thank you for noticing.

I therefore am puzzled on the exact criteria that you use to determine who to vote for.(BW's?)

Because that is the exact criteria I use to try and determine whether or not someone is possible scum. Their gameplay is very important I believe.

And for you to make the comment I have to be lynched because I am questioning gameplay makes you ever more scummy each post you make.

But please take a moment reflect and respond with what exactly your vote criteria is.

Be very careful with your response now chap,because I am at the point I think I have you.

Ah fastposted by doom with the usual lynch jgordon routine, but at least your making some posts with valid points now.But I see the survivor is suicidal theory has fell by the wayside,going to go with someone elses idea now in the hopes it works it would seem. I have already responded to that one, I have already picked the side I would like to win. And no its not cheating,going against my role or any other idea you are trying to plant.
I forget is PMC's vote on me, hmmmm. Come up with a new tactic doom,you are closer to that noose every post.

Oh I almost forgot the JG is vote hopping, I would say your doing a fair amount of it yourself doom,and now by my count you are now ahead of me.

Again fastposted by / now there is a post with info.

Fastposted by jak,never cross a name off the list until it comes down to deadline.

[safariguy5]

Hmm, my top THREE would probably be
[*]Saf
Chap
Doom[/*]

If only ones who are currently have at least one vote on them
[*]Chap
NG
No lynch[/*]

Saf has been jumpier than Hippo does in games with him. Which seems odd to me, but perhaps I haven't played with him enough. Also his lack of explanations lately seem doubly odd. He's pushing for the lynch but he'll settle for a no lynch.

Chap, well again, another player who's playing style is a bit off from what I've seen of him. He started the game quiet but got more active as lynching time grew closer.

Doom, whom I still have FOS on from earlier, at this point he could or could not be a mafia. Although his name as definitely sunk in activity since the case was pulled from him.

NG, not much of a reason, just a few gut feelings of late and everyone else being voted for are either being pulled off or they don't seem scummy/inactive.

No vote because everyones all over the place, and really those who think we must lynch the survivor if we lynch anyone, why not just no lynch and add to our numbers a potential ally? You all seem odd to be for pushing it so hard.

I'm not pushing crap. All I'm doing is making a case since pmc pushed me to do so. If you can't tell already, I'm simply throwing a name out there so nobody forgets about it later.

[chapcrap]

Chap, well again, another player who's playing style is a bit off from what I've seen of him. He started the game quiet but got more active as lynching time grew closer.

Still reading, but first of all, when have you seen me play before? I don't remember playing with before. Maybe once.

Second, got more active as lynching time grew closer? Or as my wife got out of the hospital from having our kid and I had more time because I wasn't working 13 hours a day like I am today...

[chapcrap]

Ok, I thought there would be more to read, that's why I responded with that first post. I guess the game is slowing a bit with the number of posts, thankfully.

And for you to make the comment I have to be lynched because I am questioning gameplay makes you ever more scummy each post you make.

I didn't say you needed to be lynched because you are questioning gameplay. If you can find where I said that, I'd be happy to respond to it. Otherwise, quit making false accusations.

In the past, I did say that you are acting the scummiest. And I did say that you should be lynched if we can't find someone inherently scummy. And what's weird about it is now you are mad at me for it even though you voted yourself... Perhaps you should build a case on yourself for BW'ing yourself.

[pmchugh]

Well my list is rather simple, the order is the hard thing.
Chap
Saf
Doom

Doom has always been on the radar for me, lets take a look at his latest post.

Even though I am on your top 3 list, I agree with it. However, chap and safari are both great players and I am not sure I want to take them on day 1. That seems like a lot of effort. I will let jak pick one and will follow along.

This post is so lazy it is ridiculous. It is "too much effort" to try and lynch someone, so he will just follow the doc. He is clearly trying to fence sit and absolve himself of any blame for picking a target. FOS

On to saf then.

Again, pmc pushed me to pick somebody. I've already said I think we have enough information for me. How many more claims do you guys really want? At this point, I think it's either we lynch jgordon to minimize town losses or we no lynch and see what the night brings us.

As someone else pointed out 2 claims is not that much, considering this is an 18 player game and only one of them were town. Are you not interested in catching scum? Even if we fail then more information would not hurt, especially considering we have no idea how many night kills there will be tonight. Due to the length of time you've been playing I find your apathetic nature towards gathering info on day 1 highly suspicious. FOS.

Finally lets move on to chap, who has now changed his tune to say that he does have good reasons behind his waggoning. So lets take a look at him and some of the things I pointed out earlier that he never addressed.

Gi..give me till tomorrow afternoon to post guys. My friend just.. I'll be a day or two...

Is this trying to make fun of someone? I don't know.

However, I agree with was saf said about jak. More than anything, I think it's ridiculous that jak tries to guide the doctor for absolutely no reason. Guiding the doctor to a specific person is scummy in itself, because you need to guide the doctor on day 1 by giving them information to go on in general.

Not only is it ridiculous to guide the doctor to a specific person, it's even more ridiculous when the person in question is in no way proven to be town or be helpful to town.

AND, the reason given for saving him is even more absurd. If you have no idea what pmc's role is, how can you say that you need him to answer question about night intel? The whole thing is preposterous and makes me think that you are scum who is trying to guide the doctor into doing something predictable.

unvote vote jak

Through IMO faulty logic and repeating safs point three or four times he forms part of his first BW.

It was faulty because guiding the doctor can end in a double protection AND it wasn't even his own original thought he just copied sarifguy.

On to jgordon, the case seems ok, but not overwhelming to me. I do agree that his activity has been scummy though. After looking back at it, he seems to be waffling back and forth about everything and being very non-committal. That is scummy. For now, my vote stays on jak until he responds to my questions.

The bold and underlined part here shows how poor his reasoning has been. You can say a great number of things about jgordon but "non-committal" is the one thing he is not.

I want to get more information for town to work with, but if we don't have someone who is inherently scummy at the end of this day, I will say that we need to lynch jgordon.

This seems reasonable, but in reality it is just copying other peoples reasoning again. For example:

If we really don't have anything else by the end of this day, then I'm willing to follow a survivor lynch over a town lynch.

Still, lynching someone who we believe to be scum is better than lynching the survivor, so I won't vote for jg yet. After all, we have a week left.

Next:

As far as my vote goes, I don't really see that Doom pointing out the soft claim was all that scummy. However, I will pressure him because someone needs pressured for more information. If he wasn't already being pressured, I would pressure Rodion. I don't like his level of activity in this game. I have played a few with him and this behavior on Day 1, I don't like from him. vote DoomYoshi

My vote will stay on Doom. Yes, I agreed with what you had to say about you fully exposing jak's claim. However, that doesn't mean you can't be pressured. As stated, at that time, I didn't see anyone else compelling and as I am still looking for scum, I went ahead and pressured someone for information, not for a lynch. My vote will stay until you claim.

One case that was not mentioned in jaks vote summary was dooms. At one point he looked like a decent BW target due to his outing of jaks soft claim. This for me stands out as the most scummy one he was involved in because he openly admits that he thinks doom is not scummy and he can even explain why, but he votes him anyway just because other people are pressuring him... BW much?

I see chap offered no defense to one of my central points, I clearly stated here that he appeared to be bandwaggoning on someone with no good reason.

Anyway, I don't really see what CLEVER just did that was that awful. It's still day though and every little thing will be jumped on. At least we're finally doing something. I suppose that CLEVER is the scummiest (other than jgordon, who I'm not sure I believe anyway), so I'll go ahead and make DoomYoshi happy and unvote FOS CLEVER. No vote for now, because that's 3 votes in a row already and we don't need to get out of control when we have until May 7.

The above post is clearly an endorsement of the clever wagon while once against acknowledging he had done little to deserve it. This time he appears to not vote him only because of his awareness that a quick BW is happening.

Again, no good reasons. He basically side stepped my whole argument by ignoring the fact I accused him of BW with little/no reason. My vote stays where it is.

[jak111]

Aye, I agree with PMC. His post as solidified my assumptions and my vote will remain on Chap for the rest of the day.

[Some7hingCLEVER]

Well my list is rather simple, the order is the hard thing.
Chap
Saf
Doom

Doom has always been on the radar for me, lets take a look at his latest post.

Even though I am on your top 3 list, I agree with it. However, chap and safari are both great players and I am not sure I want to take them on day 1. That seems like a lot of effort. I will let jak pick one and will follow along.

This post is so lazy it is ridiculous. It is "too much effort" to try and lynch someone, so he will just follow the doc. He is clearly trying to fence sit and absolve himself of any blame for picking a target. FOS

On to saf then.

Again, pmc pushed me to pick somebody. I've already said I think we have enough information for me. How many more claims do you guys really want? At this point, I think it's either we lynch jgordon to minimize town losses or we no lynch and see what the night brings us.

As someone else pointed out 2 claims is not that much, considering this is an 18 player game and only one of them were town. Are you not interested in catching scum? Even if we fail then more information would not hurt, especially considering we have no idea how many night kills there will be tonight. Due to the length of time you've been playing I find your apathetic nature towards gathering info on day 1 highly suspicious. FOS.

Finally lets move on to chap, who has now changed his tune to say that he does have good reasons behind his waggoning. So lets take a look at him and some of the things I pointed out earlier that he never addressed.

Gi..give me till tomorrow afternoon to post guys. My friend just.. I'll be a day or two...

Is this trying to make fun of someone? I don't know.

However, I agree with was saf said about jak. More than anything, I think it's ridiculous that jak tries to guide the doctor for absolutely no reason. Guiding the doctor to a specific person is scummy in itself, because you need to guide the doctor on day 1 by giving them information to go on in general.

Not only is it ridiculous to guide the doctor to a specific person, it's even more ridiculous when the person in question is in no way proven to be town or be helpful to town.

AND, the reason given for saving him is even more absurd. If you have no idea what pmc's role is, how can you say that you need him to answer question about night intel? The whole thing is preposterous and makes me think that you are scum who is trying to guide the doctor into doing something predictable.

unvote vote jak

Through IMO faulty logic and repeating safs point three or four times he forms part of his first BW.

It was faulty because guiding the doctor can end in a double protection AND it wasn't even his own original thought he just copied sarifguy.

On to jgordon, the case seems ok, but not overwhelming to me. I do agree that his activity has been scummy though. After looking back at it, he seems to be waffling back and forth about everything and being very non-committal. That is scummy. For now, my vote stays on jak until he responds to my questions.

The bold and underlined part here shows how poor his reasoning has been. You can say a great number of things about jgordon but "non-committal" is the one thing he is not.

I want to get more information for town to work with, but if we don't have someone who is inherently scummy at the end of this day, I will say that we need to lynch jgordon.

This seems reasonable, but in reality it is just copying other peoples reasoning again. For example:

If we really don't have anything else by the end of this day, then I'm willing to follow a survivor lynch over a town lynch.

Still, lynching someone who we believe to be scum is better than lynching the survivor, so I won't vote for jg yet. After all, we have a week left.

Next:

As far as my vote goes, I don't really see that Doom pointing out the soft claim was all that scummy. However, I will pressure him because someone needs pressured for more information. If he wasn't already being pressured, I would pressure Rodion. I don't like his level of activity in this game. I have played a few with him and this behavior on Day 1, I don't like from him. vote DoomYoshi

My vote will stay on Doom. Yes, I agreed with what you had to say about you fully exposing jak's claim. However, that doesn't mean you can't be pressured. As stated, at that time, I didn't see anyone else compelling and as I am still looking for scum, I went ahead and pressured someone for information, not for a lynch. My vote will stay until you claim.

One case that was not mentioned in jaks vote summary was dooms. At one point he looked like a decent BW target due to his outing of jaks soft claim. This for me stands out as the most scummy one he was involved in because he openly admits that he thinks doom is not scummy and he can even explain why, but he votes him anyway just because other people are pressuring him... BW much?

I see chap offered no defense to one of my central points, I clearly stated here that he appeared to be bandwaggoning on someone with no good reason.

Anyway, I don't really see what CLEVER just did that was that awful. It's still day though and every little thing will be jumped on. At least we're finally doing something. I suppose that CLEVER is the scummiest (other than jgordon, who I'm not sure I believe anyway), so I'll go ahead and make DoomYoshi happy and unvote FOS CLEVER. No vote for now, because that's 3 votes in a row already and we don't need to get out of control when we have until May 7.

The above post is clearly an endorsement of the clever wagon while once against acknowledging he had done little to deserve it. This time he appears to not vote him only because of his awareness that a quick BW is happening.

Again, no good reasons. He basically side stepped my whole argument by ignoring the fact I accused him of BW with little/no reason. My vote stays where it is.

just check once more what you said.

[jak111]

just check once more what you said.

I doubt quoting the entire thing is going to help PMC or anyone reading your post Clever. Try to be more precise.

[pmchugh]

Clever, two of the three points you highlighted were, "well someone needs to be pressured". That is not a reason to BW a particular person as chap claimed he had. That is a mindless BW.

The other highlighted line is "I suppose clever is the scummiest"... do you qualify that as a reason?

FASTPOSTED, he further highlighted the quotes that I did of chap.

[Some7hingCLEVER]

Next:

As far as my vote goes, I don't really see that Doom pointing out the soft claim was all that scummy. However, I will pressure him because someone needs pressured for more information. If he wasn't already being pressured, I would pressure Rodion. I don't like his level of activity in this game. I have played a few with him and this behavior on Day 1, I don't like from him. vote DoomYoshi

My vote will stay on Doom. Yes, I agreed with what you had to say about you fully exposing jak's claim. However, that doesn't mean you can't be pressured. As stated, at that time, I didn't see anyone else compelling and as I am still looking for scum, I went ahead and pressured someone for information, not for a lynch. My vote will stay until you claim.

One case that was not mentioned in jaks vote summary was dooms. At one point he looked like a decent BW target due to his outing of jaks soft claim. This for me stands out as the most scummy one he was involved in because he openly admits that he thinks doom is not scummy and he can even explain why, but he votes him anyway just because other people are pressuring him... BW much?

I see chap offered no defense to one of my central points, I clearly stated here that he appeared to be bandwaggoning on someone with no good reason.

Anyway, I don't really see what CLEVER just did that was that awful. It's still day though and every little thing will be jumped on. At least we're finally doing something. I suppose that CLEVER is the scummiest (other than jgordon, who I'm not sure I believe anyway), so I'll go ahead and make DoomYoshi happy and unvote FOS CLEVER. No vote for now, because that's 3 votes in a row already and we don't need to get out of control when we have until May 7.

The above post is clearly an endorsement of the clever wagon while once against acknowledging he had done little to deserve it. This time he appears to not vote him only because of his awareness that a quick BW is happening.

Again, no good reasons. He basically side stepped my whole argument by ignoring the fact I accused him of BW with little/no reason. My vote stays where it is.

just check once more what you said.

OK read again. lol he skipped over the reasons for voting for someone.

fastposted.
ok i suppose your right. hmmm hold on....o wow your right he did it even on mine to "make doom happy"
and i do qualify it as a reason ..do you not?

[thechuck51]

/ has stolen my thunder a little but my top choices (listed in order of scumminess) are

1- JGordon: I don't buy his survivor claim. Something fishy about claiming when there were only 3 people voting him. And even if I am wrong we would be lynching a survivor which I still feel is no real loss for the town. If I am right then I think town steamrolls to a win.

2 - Jak: He has been ultra-defensive of JGordon, he would rather no-lynch than lose him plus I don't like the doctor soft claim. What purpose does it serve? I don't see a town doctor claiming unless a lynch was imminent. The only reason I see for somebody to claim doc otherwise is if they are mafia and are trying to bait the real doctor for a counter-claim. Anybody associated with the claim is suspect to me, which brings me too...

3 - NewGuy1: Real quick to support named claims by JGordon and Jak. Also would rather no-lynch than lose JGordon. He was in on the doc soft claim stuff as well.

4&5 - Doom & PMC are suspicious by association for being involved in the doc soft claim. Doom for "outing" it to everybody, PMC for being part of jak directing the doc prior to his soft claim.

fastposted x a bunch

[jgordon1111]

As of now, the only people I would consider are

• jgordon
• pmc
• newguy
• safari

I wouldn't have put safari on the list until he voted gimli. Maybe he was joking...It seemed serious and really ridiculous.

The reason I (half-jokingly) agreed with Doom about a post limit is because not everything you guys have posted is helpful at all, especially jgordon. You have been giving almost no helpful posts. All of your posts are just commentary on others' gameplay. It's kind of ridiculous.

@pmc, I can have justified votes and want to bandwagon on Day 1. Those do not have to be mutually exclusive.

This is answer to your previous(where did I say you needed to be lynched for questioning peoples gameplay.

lets dissect this,I am number one on your list for lynching,you say almost no helpful posts,and I quote here.They are just commentary on others gameplay.

I am still waiting on what you use for criteria to decide who to vote,beings by what you have said its not their gameplay.

[new guy1]

/ has stolen my thunder a little but my top choices (listed in order of scumminess) are

1- JGordon: I don't buy his survivor claim. Something fishy about claiming when there were only 3 people voting him. And even if I am wrong we would be lynching a survivor which I still feel is no real loss for the town. If I am right then I think town steamrolls to a win.

2 - Jak: He has been ultra-defensive of JGordon, he would rather no-lynch than lose him plus I don't like the doctor soft claim. What purpose does it serve? I don't see a town doctor claiming unless a lynch was imminent. The only reason I see for somebody to claim doc otherwise is if they are mafia and are trying to bait the real doctor for a counter-claim. Anybody associated with the claim is suspect to me, which brings me too...

3 - NewGuy1: Real quick to support named claims by JGordon and Jak. Also would rather no-lynch than lose JGordon. He was in on the doc soft claim stuff as well.

4&5 - Doom & PMC are suspicious by association for being involved in the doc soft claim. Doom for "outing" it to everybody, PMC for being part of jak directing the doc prior to his soft claim.

fastposted x a bunch

Chuck. I know I shouldnt critisize, but this list spells crap to me. You have a survivor at the top of your list (we are looking for scum, not a survivor), our claimed doctor second, and then third you have me in which I have been defending the claimed doc and survivor and you find that scummy? My list probably right now, in no particular order would have to be:

Doomyoshi- Im getting vibes from him, plus when he is town he is usually alot more proactive and helpful towards town. This game he seemed silent till he was called out and from my viewpoint hasnt added alot of useful information.

Chuck- Wants to lynch our claimed doc and a survivor instead of searching for scum, which to me just rings mafia.

JG- Even though I support him and believe that he will honestly help town, theres always a chance that it is a very good fake claim and that I could be defending scum.

[pmchugh]

PMC for being part of jak directing the doc prior to his soft claim.

I have explained this a few times but I will do it again.

Directing the doc is not scummy and is a viable town move. It works as follows:

1. Ask the doctor to protect player A.
2. The mafia do not want to risk killing player A in case he is protected, so they choose someone else.
3. The doctor protects player B.

You have successfully protected both player A and player B in one move. Of course mafia could see through this but it is a considerable risk for them to take. I agree with ngs assessment of your list as well, though I find it strange he then also listed jg after criticising you for it.

fastposted.
ok i suppose your right. hmmm hold on....o wow your right he did it even on mine to "make doom happy"
and i do qualify it as a reason ..do you not?

Of course not! The only reason he said "make doom happy" was because he was no longer voting him! How is that a reason to vote you! He just said you were the scummiest, he didn't say why.

[jgordon1111]

/ has stolen my thunder a little but my top choices (listed in order of scumminess) are

1- JGordon: I don't buy his survivor claim. Something fishy about claiming when there were only 3 people voting him. And even if I am wrong we would be lynching a survivor which I still feel is no real loss for the town. If I am right then I think town steamrolls to a win.

2 - Jak: He has been ultra-defensive of JGordon, he would rather no-lynch than lose him plus I don't like the doctor soft claim. What purpose does it serve? I don't see a town doctor claiming unless a lynch was imminent. The only reason I see for somebody to claim doc otherwise is if they are mafia and are trying to bait the real doctor for a counter-claim. Anybody associated with the claim is suspect to me, which brings me too...

3 - NewGuy1: Real quick to support named claims by JGordon and Jak. Also would rather no-lynch than lose JGordon. He was in on the doc soft claim stuff as well.

4&5 - Doom & PMC are suspicious by association for being involved in the doc soft claim. Doom for "outing" it to everybody, PMC for being part of jak directing the doc prior to his soft claim.

fastposted x a bunch

Ah the dreaded second post. Chuck play a couple of games with me you will know why I will claim fast.

only been mafia 2 times,died quick first one. second one well a different story.

But every game it seems I pull the bandwagon D1,so I have come to the conclusion its just easier to claim as soon as it starts,nobody is happy until I do. Even when I am the doc or have a power role,trying to drop hints or warn them off doesn't work.

ergo I made the comment that some who have played with me before might have knew what I was going to do.

But again you supported you post with viable reasons,your trying. reason it out, see what you think if you forget me for a minute and look at what some of the others are doing and saying.

fastposted by NG1,remember chuck is new or he is scum blatantly pushing the bosses agenda under the guise of new,havent decided yet,been giving him every benefit of the doubt.

Fastposted by pmc,doesnt that seem odd to you pmc that he is not giving a reason for voting a player?

[thechuck51]

/ has stolen my thunder a little but my top choices (listed in order of scumminess) are

1- JGordon: I don't buy his survivor claim. Something fishy about claiming when there were only 3 people voting him. And even if I am wrong we would be lynching a survivor which I still feel is no real loss for the town. If I am right then I think town steamrolls to a win.

2 - Jak: He has been ultra-defensive of JGordon, he would rather no-lynch than lose him plus I don't like the doctor soft claim. What purpose does it serve? I don't see a town doctor claiming unless a lynch was imminent. The only reason I see for somebody to claim doc otherwise is if they are mafia and are trying to bait the real doctor for a counter-claim. Anybody associated with the claim is suspect to me, which brings me too...

3 - NewGuy1: Real quick to support named claims by JGordon and Jak. Also would rather no-lynch than lose JGordon. He was in on the doc soft claim stuff as well.

4&5 - Doom & PMC are suspicious by association for being involved in the doc soft claim. Doom for "outing" it to everybody, PMC for being part of jak directing the doc prior to his soft claim.

fastposted x a bunch

Chuck. I know I shouldnt critisize, but this list spells crap to me. You have a survivor at the top of your list (we are looking for scum, not a survivor), our claimed doctor second, and then third you have me in which I have been defending the claimed doc and survivor and you find that scummy? My list probably right now, in no particular order would have to be:

Doomyoshi- Im getting vibes from him, plus when he is town he is usually alot more proactive and helpful towards town. This game he seemed silent till he was called out and from my viewpoint hasnt added alot of useful information.

Chuck- Wants to lynch our claimed doc and a survivor instead of searching for scum, which to me just rings mafia.

JG- Even though I support him and believe that he will honestly help town, theres always a chance that it is a very good fake claim and that I could be defending scum.

I don't believe the survivor claim nor the doc claim so I think they are both scum which is why they are at the top of my list.

I think JGordon and Jak go hand in hand. If JG pops scum then I think Jak will as well.

But if I am forced to eliminate those two from my list I would bump you up to the top.

fastposted by jgordon

[pmchugh]

jgordon: Chucks play has been a little off but he is new so I am going to give him a bit more leeway than players like doom and saf who know what they are doing.

Also at the risk of going off topic I don't think that claiming early is smart at all. I will fight to the bitter end no matter what my role to not claim and if you are survivor then it is even more silly.

[new guy1]

Go ahead man, bump me to the top of the list. As you have a crap arguement so I can kick it off with a crap defense. Your whole case on me is based on me defending the other two, so wouldnt it cancel out the point if you put me at the top of the list? How would it help your case in other words? Also, pmc, I critisized chuck for saying JG because he used the reasoning that hes a survivor and even if its a real claim it doesnt matter cause hes a survivor. I put him on my list because he could be fake claiming and I cant mark it off the list.

fastposted- I have to disagree, if you do that and you know that you will have to claim one way or the other then its better to claim and let town pressure someone else as to prevent wasted time and give more discussion on the claim. Yes, if it is at the beginning of the day dont do it as you can get out of pressure (possibly), but if it is nearing the end of the day, then I would claim if I knew it was going to happen to spare time for discussion of the claim.

[Some7hingCLEVER]

survivor and doctor are both decently easy fake claims.
if you do it right. the real survivor wont say anything if he wants to win and the doc wont say anything if he is smart.

[new guy1]

survivor and doctor are both decently easy fake claims.
if you do it right. the real survivor wont say anything if he wants to win and the doc wont say anything if he is smart.

There can be two survivors and obviously the doc wont say anything but you have to have balls to fake claim a doctor role and expect to get away with it for any length of time.

[jak111]

survivor and doctor are both decently easy fake claims.
if you do it right. the real survivor wont say anything if he wants to win and the doc wont say anything if he is smart.

The funny thing you all miss is that I soft claimed Doctor because I did not want to out right claim it.
FOS Clever, and Chuck, not because they question if I'm the doctor, but because they are now making things up. I wouldn't of claimed if Doom kept his mouth shut. So don't go around saying "Oh he claimed this and that" Well I soft claimed and was forced to fully claim when I got outed publicly. Go back and reread, also Clever, stop copying what the person above you says, I don't know about anyone else but it's actually sort of drawing my attention.

[thechuck51]

Go ahead man, bump me to the top of the list. As you have a crap arguement so I can kick it off with a crap defense. Your whole case on me is based on me defending the other two, so wouldnt it cancel out the point if you put me at the top of the list? How would it help your case in other words? Also, pmc, I critisized chuck for saying JG because he used the reasoning that hes a survivor and even if its a real claim it doesnt matter cause hes a survivor. I put him on my list because he could be fake claiming and I cant mark it off the list.

fastposted- I have to disagree, if you do that and you know that you will have to claim one way or the other then its better to claim and let town pressure someone else as to prevent wasted time and give more discussion on the claim. Yes, if it is at the beginning of the day dont do it as you can get out of pressure (possibly), but if it is nearing the end of the day, then I would claim if I knew it was going to happen to spare time for discussion of the claim.

admittedly my argument against you as posted is fairly weak but the point of the post was more to provide a list of names than to argue any case. I think if necessary I could provide a stronger case.

fastposted by jak

[new guy1]

Go ahead man, bump me to the top of the list. As you have a crap arguement so I can kick it off with a crap defense. Your whole case on me is based on me defending the other two, so wouldnt it cancel out the point if you put me at the top of the list? How would it help your case in other words? Also, pmc, I critisized chuck for saying JG because he used the reasoning that hes a survivor and even if its a real claim it doesnt matter cause hes a survivor. I put him on my list because he could be fake claiming and I cant mark it off the list.

fastposted- I have to disagree, if you do that and you know that you will have to claim one way or the other then its better to claim and let town pressure someone else as to prevent wasted time and give more discussion on the claim. Yes, if it is at the beginning of the day dont do it as you can get out of pressure (possibly), but if it is nearing the end of the day, then I would claim if I knew it was going to happen to spare time for discussion of the claim.

admittedly my argument against you as posted is fairly weak but the point of the post was more to provide a list of names than to argue any case. I think if necessary I could provide a stronger case.

fastposted by jak

Well it was a good attempt, and with a little more evidence and a little more leads, you probably could have made something with it. Keep trying, it had potential to me at least