Oh,Jesus............

[Nephilim]

these folks should definitely get sued for stealing "we are the world"

good heavens, they have to be the world's most extreme example of player-haters. seriously, it speaks to some very fucked up psyches. the leaders and members of their groups give an immense amount of energy to hating on folks. it's like no one ever told them to let go of the things they can't control, and they get all their pleasure in life from fucking with other people.

i'd think the upside down canadian flag, as well as the US one, represent simply anti-canadian and anti-US sentiment. i think the upside down flag can also indicate treason or insurrection.

and crazy anglican, there are tons of christians and christian groups that do not use the nicean creed as a watermark. it might be nice if christendom were so uniform, but it ain't. i suppose we have to consider them christians, albeit very extreme ones. i think they represent a lifetime of research for some graduate student out there.....

[CrazyAnglican]

Figures the Jesus freaks would rush to defend them.

How many innocent people has america killed? Isnt this government run by similar christians?

War is wrong. Dont try to give excuses for murder

I'd just like to say that these idiots are not similar to 99.99% of other christians.

Very true but al quida (sp?) are idiots who are not simular to 99.99% of other muslims

I agree with this as well. I wouldn't try to judge an entire group by one extremist group. The real test is, do the greater majority support, defend, and listen to them. I haven't heard anyone here defending this junk. The nice thing about freedom of speech is you can see how stupid these little groups really are before they gain any real force behind them.

[FRSmk3]

these folks should definitely get sued for stealing "we are the world"

That would only encourage them. There would be another person they can accuse of being driven by greed, and another person they can mock for sinning.

[Nephilim]

check wikipedia, this "church" is not recognized by other baptists and is classified as a hate group by the southern poverty law center.....wow

that's pretty bad.....if they qualify as a hate group, can their tax-exempt status be revoked? please say yes.....bush could finally get something right about religion (besides using it to dupe voters, the repubs have that one nailed down....)

[Primate]

EDIT: What's with the man flying the upside-down Canadian flag in the background?

I did not watch and don't know if the guy is savvy to this but...

Flying your own flag upside down was a signal of distress for the Canadian Military.

Their site has a bunch of images of American flags being flown upside down, and there's a load of British flags upside down on that essay someone just posted regarding Britain. It's seems to be a 'thing' for them. Don't know its relevance though.

[spurgistan]

Yeah, it's kinda worth noting that nobody calls these jobs "Christian" except for themselves. Kinda like I would assume (don't know) that normal adherants to Islam don't call their whackos "Muslims", but take care to differentiate themselves. But re the "Why aren't we bombing Westoboro" question, seeing as these guys aren't much threat to anybody but themselves... if they attempted a violent takeover of the United States then of course, bomb 'em to oblivion, but these guys are harmless as long as we ignore them.

[Primate]

Yeah, it's kinda worth noting that nobody calls these jobs "Christian" except for themselves. Kinda like I would assume (don't know) that normal adherants to Islam don't call their whackos "Muslims", but take care to differentiate themselves. But re the "Why aren't we bombing Westoboro" question, seeing as these guys aren't much threat to anybody but themselves... if they attempted a violent takeover of the United States then of course, bomb 'em to oblivion, but these guys are harmless as long as we ignore them.

100 people vs the entirety of america wouldn't be much of a violent takeover. Even WBC aren't that stupid.

[spurgistan]

Yeah, it's kinda worth noting that nobody calls these jobs "Christian" except for themselves. Kinda like I would assume (don't know) that normal adherants to Islam don't call their whackos "Muslims", but take care to differentiate themselves. But re the "Why aren't we bombing Westoboro" question, seeing as these guys aren't much threat to anybody but themselves... if they attempted a violent takeover of the United States then of course, bomb 'em to oblivion, but these guys are harmless as long as we ignore them.

100 people vs the entirety of america wouldn't be much of a violent takeover. Even WBC aren't that stupid.

Well yeah, that was just sort of pointing out the main difference between these nutjobs and Al-Qaeda nutjobs, which is that these guys don't pose a threat, while Al-Qaeda (to degrees) does.

[vtmarik]

Yeah, it's kinda worth noting that nobody calls these jobs "Christian" except for themselves. Kinda like I would assume (don't know) that normal adherants to Islam don't call their whackos "Muslims", but take care to differentiate themselves. But re the "Why aren't we bombing Westoboro" question, seeing as these guys aren't much threat to anybody but themselves... if they attempted a violent takeover of the United States then of course, bomb 'em to oblivion, but these guys are harmless as long as we ignore them.

100 people vs the entirety of america wouldn't be much of a violent takeover. Even WBC aren't that stupid.

Well yeah, that was just sort of pointing out the main difference between these nutjobs and Al-Qaeda nutjobs, which is that these guys don't pose a threat, while Al-Qaeda (to degrees) does.

Doesn't mean that slamming them over the head with weighted snow shovels would be a negative thing.

[spurgistan]

Did I say it wouldn't?

[CrazyAnglican]

Yeah, it's kinda worth noting that nobody calls these jobs "Christian" except for themselves. Kinda like I would assume (don't know) that normal adherants to Islam don't call their whackos "Muslims", but take care to differentiate themselves. But re the "Why aren't we bombing Westoboro" question, seeing as these guys aren't much threat to anybody but themselves... if they attempted a violent takeover of the United States then of course, bomb 'em to oblivion, but these guys are harmless as long as we ignore them.

100 people vs the entirety of america wouldn't be much of a violent takeover. Even WBC aren't that stupid.

"The world isn't changed by the silent minority, but by small very vocal minorities." don't know who I'm quoting but it was a good one.

[Nephilim]

wow, check the wiki article on them, i'm sure some of it is disputable, but still.....


the scary thing for me is this: they contend that political or social allowance of homosexuality (i'm speaking loosely here) is to blam for almost all disasters or large-scale negative human events like war. how horrific is it that mainstream conservative christian leaders in the states aren't too far away from this? i think i remember jerry falwell saying that 9/11 was god's punishment on the US for abortion or homosexuality, and pat robertson saying the same types of things about the tsunami.

just another instance of deranged but too goddamn influential folks claiming god as a force for their agenda. it's like crazy, large-scale psychic projection: it makes me wonder if mr. phelps and his kin have some raging homos among their own numbers. why else would they be so obsessed w/ persecuting people?

[jay_a2j]

wow, check the wiki article on them, i'm sure some of it is disputable, but still.....


the scary thing for me is this: they contend that political or social allowance of homosexuality (i'm speaking loosely here) is to blam for almost all disasters or large-scale negative human events like war. how horrific is it that mainstream conservative christian leaders in the states aren't too far away from this? i think i remember jerry falwell saying that 9/11 was god's punishment on the US for abortion or homosexuality, and pat robertson saying the same types of things about the tsunami.

just another instance of deranged but too goddamn influential folks claiming god as a force for their agenda. it's like crazy, large-scale psychic projection: it makes me wonder if mr. phelps and his kin have some raging homos among their own numbers. why else would they be so obsessed w/ persecuting people?

I don't know if 9/11, Katrina or the Tsunami were "God's" wrath, warning or wake up call. Could any of them be? Absolutely. Are they? I don't know but to say that they absolutely weren't or couldn't be is just silly. Or at least shows a poor knowledge of scripture.

[luns101]

Figures the Jesus freaks would rush to defend them.

Which Jesus Freak defended their actions? What they did was wrong, disgraceful, and totally inconsiderate.

How many innocent people has america killed?

Lots

Isnt this government run by similar christians?

No

War is wrong.

not true...it is sometimes necessary in order to stop wackos like Adolf Hitler.

Dont try to give excuses for murder

Don't try to equate an evil regime bent on the destruction of the United States & Israel with people who are deranged. There's a difference between taking physical action against innocent people and spouting nonsense with silly parodies.

[Nephilim]

wow, check the wiki article on them, i'm sure some of it is disputable, but still.....


the scary thing for me is this: they contend that political or social allowance of homosexuality (i'm speaking loosely here) is to blam for almost all disasters or large-scale negative human events like war. how horrific is it that mainstream conservative christian leaders in the states aren't too far away from this? i think i remember jerry falwell saying that 9/11 was god's punishment on the US for abortion or homosexuality, and pat robertson saying the same types of things about the tsunami.

just another instance of deranged but too goddamn influential folks claiming god as a force for their agenda. it's like crazy, large-scale psychic projection: it makes me wonder if mr. phelps and his kin have some raging homos among their own numbers. why else would they be so obsessed w/ persecuting people?

I don't know if 9/11, Katrina or the Tsunami were "God's" wrath, warning or wake up call. Could any of them be? Absolutely. Are they? I don't know but to say that they absolutely weren't or couldn't be is just silly. Or at least shows a poor knowledge of scripture.

well, if you believe in a just god, which i assume you do, then you may want to condemn views that attribute mass deaths to god's hatred of any particular sin, or even a swath of sins. see, there are ostensibly plenty of folks killed in those incidents that did not endorse homosexuality, abortion, war, etc. yes, to talk in absolutes about such things might be silly, b/c an omnipotent god would presumably work in inscrutable ways. but leaving open the possibility of god's will in these events also allows him to be an unjust and hateful god.

in other words, the kind of god portrayed by westboro and their ilk. you are lining up with them, bud

[diddle]

but wacko's like Adolf Hitler, were doing a lot worse things to humanity

[luns101]

but wacko's like Adolf Hitler, were doing a lot worse things to humanity

Are you saying the United States is trying to systematically exterminate an entire race of people...that's what Hitler attempted to accomplish, amongst other things.

Who are you referring to by "we"?

[jay_a2j]

wow, check the wiki article on them, i'm sure some of it is disputable, but still.....


the scary thing for me is this: they contend that political or social allowance of homosexuality (i'm speaking loosely here) is to blam for almost all disasters or large-scale negative human events like war. how horrific is it that mainstream conservative christian leaders in the states aren't too far away from this? i think i remember jerry falwell saying that 9/11 was god's punishment on the US for abortion or homosexuality, and pat robertson saying the same types of things about the tsunami.

just another instance of deranged but too goddamn influential folks claiming god as a force for their agenda. it's like crazy, large-scale psychic projection: it makes me wonder if mr. phelps and his kin have some raging homos among their own numbers. why else would they be so obsessed w/ persecuting people?

I don't know if 9/11, Katrina or the Tsunami were "God's" wrath, warning or wake up call. Could any of them be? Absolutely. Are they? I don't know but to say that they absolutely weren't or couldn't be is just silly. Or at least shows a poor knowledge of scripture.

well, if you believe in a just god, which i assume you do, then you may want to condemn views that attribute mass deaths to god's hatred of any particular sin, or even a swath of sins. see, there are ostensibly plenty of folks killed in those incidents that did not endorse homosexuality, abortion, war, etc. yes, to talk in absolutes about such things might be silly, b/c an omnipotent god would presumably work in inscrutable ways. but leaving open the possibility of god's will in these events also allows him to be an unjust and hateful god.

in other words, the kind of god portrayed by westboro and their ilk. you are lining up with them, bud

We are born and we die. God does not promise that everyone will life a carefree life and does not promise that He will not take life at any given moment. To those that died in any of these "natural disasters", if any of them knew Jesus and I'm sure some did, they are in the next life and "in a better place". What is just? Who can say but God? But is it 70 years of life? Maybe 65? How about 60? You have from the time you are born until the time you die to make a decision... that decision dictates where you spend eternity. Everyone has their chance.... all those people had theirs and it was their time to go whether they were "of God" or of nature is irrelevant.

[Jenos Ridan]

but wacko's like Adolf Hitler, were doing a lot worse things to humanity

Are you saying the United States is trying to systematically exterminate an entire race of people...that's what Hitler attempted to accomplish, amongst other things.

Who are you referring to by "we"?

And lest we forget, Hitler was actively trying to get rid of the Bible entirely and revive the old pagan beliefs of the German and Scandinavian peoples, due to the inherent semitic origin of scripture.

[vtmarik]

but wacko's like Adolf Hitler, were doing a lot worse things to humanity

Are you saying the United States is trying to systematically exterminate an entire race of people...that's what Hitler attempted to accomplish, amongst other things.

Who are you referring to by "we"?

And lest we forget, Hitler was actively trying to get rid of the Bible entirely and revive the old pagan beliefs of the German and Scandinavian peoples, due to the inherent semitic origin of scripture.

No he wasn't, he made it very clear in his speeches and his book that while he was using the Norse symbol for the sun (the swastika), it was not a return to the old ways.

[CrazyAnglican]

but wacko's like Adolf Hitler, were doing a lot worse things to humanity

Are you saying the United States is trying to systematically exterminate an entire race of people...that's what Hitler attempted to accomplish, amongst other things.

Who are you referring to by "we"?

And lest we forget, Hitler was actively trying to get rid of the Bible entirely and revive the old pagan beliefs of the German and Scandinavian peoples, due to the inherent semitic origin of scripture.

No he wasn't, he made it very clear in his speeches and his book that while he was using the Norse symbol for the sun (the swastika), it was not a return to the old ways.

As I understand it, Hitler was pretty much all about Hitler, and would use whatever he could to gain and keep power.