Battle of the Bulge - CLOSED

[jak111]

What would you like me to defend? I already explained my actions. I'll bandwagon all over Day 1 every game I play, every time. Sorry if you don't like that. I already told you that's how I play. It's the best way to get claims. Once a claim is given, I'll get off and move on. Want to have another Day 1 game playing argument like you did with jak? Maybe I'll even soft claim at the end!!

And yes, I think you just waited to make a case on me after I put suspicion on you. You waited so that it wouldn't look like an OMGUS.

As for Chap, I'm beginning to think I haven't been paying him much attention, he FOS PMC many times this game with no votes, so I am guessing that he is afraid of starting a BW for fear of it not working and backfiring on him.

As for jak,

First of all, I'm pretty sure that you didn't even respond to the fact that it's ridiculous that you tried to say that you started a BW when saf did. And why would I be afraid of starting a case? The only thing I would be guilty of would be making a bad case.

Second of all, I haven't FOS'ed pmc many times. It has been in two total posts. And I have more suspicion of newguy1, which is why I voted him. Even if I had FOS'ed pmc a lot more, it's not a scumtell that I haven't voted. If there are more people that I think deserve a vote, why would I vote someone else. Think about it.

Now, I can mark you for skimming. I already explained this in an earlier post when this was asked before.

Also think about this Chap, why would you "triple FOS PMC" and not vote? Why not just FOS PMC? My point is is that you're putting such a 'large' FOS on PMC and not even going through with investigating it. Usually an FOS of that stature would contain a vote for either a lynch or info. Otherwise it could be considered trying to get others to start the bandwagon before you decide to join in the middle.

Do you not think it looks a bit scummy at all?

Fastposted by PMC,
Agreed, Chap is sliding through too much with no one to put him in his place. By the way, for people saying OMGUS is only for when someone votes someone who voted them. That's wrong. That's like limiting on how you can say Hello "hey" "hi" "hiya" "heya" "hello" etc are all the same. OMGUS stands for "Oh my god, you suck" which if you think about it is not limited to the situation of voting...

[chapcrap]

Well, you can choose not to believe me if you want, but those are facts...

And if you want to get hung up on semantics, you don't have to call it OMGUS. Bottom line, I FOS'ed you and looked to make a case against me at a later time for it so that I won't try to complete my case. And so that if I do try, it will just look I'm the one using the OMGUS.

And for Rodion, I went back and looked at my other recent games, Harry Potter mafia had a scum busdriver, Final Fantasy, as you said, and Memebase mafia at least. There may have been one more, but I can't remember right now. So, it has seemed to me that we've been going through mafia drivers quite a bit lately.

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[pmchugh]

People chap has voted/fos'd:
newguy
pmc
jak
jgordon
doom yoshi
clever
and probably more..

If you accuse everybody then saying "OMGUS" is going to be a good defense.

Other people have fos'd me (clever + newguy) and I did not return the compliment. I am voting you because you are bandwaggoning people with no rhyme or reason not because I am worried about some FOS from 17 pages ago.

[safariguy5]

What would you like me to defend? I already explained my actions. I'll bandwagon all over Day 1 every game I play, every time. Sorry if you don't like that. I already told you that's how I play. It's the best way to get claims. Once a claim is given, I'll get off and move on. Want to have another Day 1 game playing argument like you did with jak? Maybe I'll even soft claim at the end!!

And yes, I think you just waited to make a case on me after I put suspicion on you. You waited so that it wouldn't look like an OMGUS.

As for Chap, I'm beginning to think I haven't been paying him much attention, he FOS PMC many times this game with no votes, so I am guessing that he is afraid of starting a BW for fear of it not working and backfiring on him.

As for jak,

First of all, I'm pretty sure that you didn't even respond to the fact that it's ridiculous that you tried to say that you started a BW when saf did. And why would I be afraid of starting a case? The only thing I would be guilty of would be making a bad case.

Second of all, I haven't FOS'ed pmc many times. It has been in two total posts. And I have more suspicion of newguy1, which is why I voted him. Even if I had FOS'ed pmc a lot more, it's not a scumtell that I haven't voted. If there are more people that I think deserve a vote, why would I vote someone else. Think about it.

Now, I can mark you for skimming. I already explained this in an earlier post when this was asked before.

Also think about this Chap, why would you "triple FOS PMC" and not vote? Why not just FOS PMC? My point is is that you're putting such a 'large' FOS on PMC and not even going through with investigating it. Usually an FOS of that stature would contain a vote for either a lynch or info. Otherwise it could be considered trying to get others to start the bandwagon before you decide to join in the middle.

Do you not think it looks a bit scummy at all?

Fastposted by PMC,
Agreed, Chap is sliding through too much with no one to put him in his place. By the way, for people saying OMGUS is only for when someone votes someone who voted them. That's wrong. That's like limiting on how you can say Hello "hey" "hi" "hiya" "heya" "hello" etc are all the same. OMGUS stands for "Oh my god, you suck" which if you think about it is not limited to the situation of voting...

I disagree about that definition of OMGUS. I think it's OMGUS if the person who gets voted immediately turns around and attacks the accuser. However, if it's a case where the OMGUS vote is due to a legitimate reason, then I would argue that's not OMGUS. Maybe the accuser lied about a night action or something and the OMGUS vote signals caught scum.

Also, OMGUS I don't think extends beyond the current day. So if chap voted pmc on Day 2, or whatever, I don't think that's OMGUS.

It's just like counting bandwagon votes, the timing and positioning factor into the interpretation.

[Some7hingCLEVER]

agreed with post above. OMGUS only really matters if you do it directly afterwords for no reason at all. in this case it is not an OMGUS.

[new guy1]

First off, I agree with safari's definition of OMGUS. Second, I never accused you Chap, why are you getting all up tight? I just wanted to know why you would triple FOS someone instead of voting them. When I was in one game, I witnessed someone get lynched because they double FOS'ed someone and didnt just vote them, and they turned up scum. Now I dont remember which game it was, Im just saying you seem hesitant to vote PMC, and that I dont think your case on me is greater then a triple FOS, which for some reason you have on PMC. Now you can come back and tell me "Your just trying to throw attention off of yourself" but the truth of the matter is that I find it massivly scummy that you seem like you dont want to vote PMC. Now Im going to go out for a little while, so Ill get back on and respond to whatever posts there are tonight.
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[thechuck51]

I really wanted to leave this issue behind but I feel obligated to respond to a couple of things but from here on out I would like to move on to current issues.

Welcome to 1 of the 2 most craziest D1's ongoing at the moment gimli.

Though I have a question, where have I personally attacked Chuck? I've reread my posts and the only thing that wasn't supposed to be taken offensively (which Clever seems to have) is the doctor joke. Which is a bit of a overreaction when you looked at what I was replying to.

Besides that I've struck down Chuck's motives and the way he brought things up (which everyone does ~Points at the message PMC quoted of Chap calling PMC's case crap~) So if you wish to take offense to things, look around, you're new here so perhaps my aggressiveness is a bit much, but outside this game I don't really have an opinion about how people think. Ask Doom <.< >.> I'm on his ass quite a bit in a few games, yet we get along in others. The only tip I can give people taking offense (Unless it's literally calling out someones personal stuff) is to take the words for what they are, gameplay.

Now that I'm done explaining that, it's time to go to the others who aren't Chuck and saying it's personal attacks. If we think like that have you not made personal attacks on jg for his gameplay lately? All I'm saying is if you're bringing personal stuff into the game, don't be hypocritical about it. Besides the personal stuff it's just a game so don't get all emotional about it. If you're mafia you play for deception, if you're town you play to criticize people's posts to try and weed out error's and mistakes.

Now then, can we get on with the game its self?

I will agree that you never attacked me personally and I don't why you are being accused of doing so. You have only attacked my play and you are well within your right to do so.

If he had something new to add to it I would not be on his ass this bad, but instead he's trying to dust off an old book and reread it. Thus I have a problem with it. THEN he continues to put an FOS on a claimed doctor because he panics, but since everyone is on jg and me about personal attacks they cover him and he plays it cool. So my question is, do you see why I'm on his trail so much?

I find it suspicious when the claimed (not confirmed) doctor threatens to not save anybody during the night. NOt only that, he is doing so out of some sort of loyalty to the claimed (not confirmed) survivor who is not part of the town. It makes me wonder if you are false-claiming and the real doctor has been smart enough to stay quiet. If that is the case, threatening to not use your power gives you an excuse for not being able to save anybody during the night. So that is why i put the FOS on jak.

[jak111]

Fair enough, though thanks for saying I haven't attacked you personally. That's where fake cases are made from when other players assume so much >.<

As for the FOS, I guess you have your reasons and they seem legit. I'm just not sure who's worth protecting that will give the town an advantage tomorrow. I know I'm not going to make it so that's why I'm a bit hard on who it is and who it is not.

[jgordon1111]

Now chuck that was a damn good post,you said what you needed to,implied what you needed to instead of saying lynch jg.

I appreciate it.

My stance is,the right survivor can help push town to a win.

[chapcrap]

Well, either way, I don't really think there's much of a case on me.

And good luck getting enough votes for a lynch anyway, no one can agree on anyone in this game, so if I actually get more than 7 votes on me I'll claim. I caution everyone to not rush a lynch against me though. Otherwise, I have no more defense to give. I gave it.

[DoomYoshi]

I have made it to Gimli's first post.

Can we have a post limit per day on both jak and jgordon? I would say 1 post per 24 hours would suit them well.

Clever, good work on pointing out the ridiculousness of the BW analysis as it concerns the BW on you. You are starting to see beyond the bromides and get the bigger picture, I guess shield is teaching you well.

[jak111]

Hey now Doom, that'd require a silencer role Since I am not silenced I shall use the power of my voice! FUS... RAH DOH! jk. But in all seriousness I'm over active and at the moment over hyper o.o Check the atmospheric forum to know why XD.

[jgordon1111]

doom why do you want to cut down on probably the 2 most active players in the game?

Post limits in a mafia game LOL,or is this for just certain people who might think you seem to be more than a little scummy.

That is a very outlandish request by any standards.

[chapcrap]

doom why do you want to cut down on probably the 2 most active players in the game?

Posting a lot doesn't make it good.

[jak111]

doom why do you want to cut down on probably the 2 most active players in the game?

Posting a lot doesn't make it good.

Neither does making posts complaining about other posts

[Some7hingCLEVER]

I have made it to Gimli's first post.

Can we have a post limit per day on both jak and jgordon? I would say 1 post per 24 hours would suit them well.

Clever, good work on pointing out the ridiculousness of the BW analysis as it concerns the BW on you. You are starting to see beyond the bromides and get the bigger picture, I guess shield is teaching you well.

lol i hope he is joking. and sg7 isnt really teaching me anything just makeing funny comments and saying random things and o shit.....I AM THE SK...and making me claim sk everygame.

[thechuck51]

NG1, I was hoping you could provide some insight as to why you felt it was important to get as much information as possible in the first quote but in the second you don't see the need to pressure clever for a claim (which is just a form of information).

I also thought Vigging the survivor made sense but the more I think of it lynching is the better option in case the scum do have a busdriver or something.

I still think we should try and find a scumbag before lynching the survivor though.

Oh hey, someone else agrees with me. We have 3 days, JG is close to a lynch (dont know this for a fact, I just see alot of votes for him and not alot of unvotes) and so if there is no better case nearing the deadline, it will be easy to hammer him if nesessary. But until then, why not try to get as much information as possible.

Not gonna quote Clevers defense post, but I believe he defended it well. He explained everything, therefore Unvote for now. I do not want to pressure him for a claim as he seems to have a reason for everything he was accused of.

EBWOP

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[new guy1]

Well you took it out of context. Read the first sentence, as it says I believe he defended well, therefore I do not want to pressure him for a claim. This is common sense as it could uncover a powerrole.

[new guy1]

Well you took it out of context. Read the first sentence, as it says I believe he defended well, therefore I do not want to pressure him for a claim. This is common sense as it could uncover a powerrole.

But (sorry for the double post) Nice find, its those kinds of people who are willing to go back and investigate those kinds of things that we need in a large game like this.

[thechuck51]

Well you took it out of context. Read the first sentence, as it says I believe he defended well, therefore I do not want to pressure him for a claim. This is common sense as it could uncover a powerrole.

I undestand that you liked his defense. It just seemed that earlier in the "day" you were calling for everybody to hold off lynching so we can gather information I was surprised that you would pass on an opportunity to learn something.

But I agree with you that we must be careful about outing too many roles so we don't run the risk of revealing a power role.

[new guy1]

Well you took it out of context. Read the first sentence, as it says I believe he defended well, therefore I do not want to pressure him for a claim. This is common sense as it could uncover a powerrole.

I undestand that you liked his defense. It just seemed that earlier in the "day" you were calling for everybody to hold off lynching so we can gather information I was surprised that you would pass on an opportunity to learn something.

But I agree with you that we must be careful about outing too many roles so we don't run the risk of revealing a power role.

Its not the outing of the powerroles, its that he gave a good defense and therefore I didnt want to out him. If his defense sucked I would have pressured. Lol.

[Some7hingCLEVER]

Well you took it out of context. Read the first sentence, as it says I believe he defended well, therefore I do not want to pressure him for a claim. This is common sense as it could uncover a powerrole.

I undestand that you liked his defense. It just seemed that earlier in the "day" you were calling for everybody to hold off lynching so we can gather information I was surprised that you would pass on an opportunity to learn something.

But I agree with you that we must be careful about outing too many roles so we don't run the risk of revealing a power role.

i can agree with both of you honestly on one hand he did say that he wanted to get as much info but on the other hand if you want info you need a reason and have to be willing to out my role.

[thechuck51]

Well you took it out of context. Read the first sentence, as it says I believe he defended well, therefore I do not want to pressure him for a claim. This is common sense as it could uncover a powerrole.

I undestand that you liked his defense. It just seemed that earlier in the "day" you were calling for everybody to hold off lynching so we can gather information I was surprised that you would pass on an opportunity to learn something.

But I agree with you that we must be careful about outing too many roles so we don't run the risk of revealing a power role.

Its not the outing of the powerroles, its that he gave a good defense and therefore I didnt want to out him. If his defense sucked I would have pressured. Lol.

I've got it now, thanks

[jgordon1111]

doom why do you want to cut down on probably the 2 most active players in the game?

Posting a lot doesn't make it good.

I have had a legit reason for every post I have made chap.

Unlike your above post which waves to everyone to see that you are here but again not much of consequence to add.

Unless of course you prefer post limits to help hinder the progress of the game.

In that case I would suggest the mod put those limits on those calling for them, every 48 hrs you say lol

[pmchugh]

I have made it to Gimli's first post.

Can we have a post limit per day on both jak and jgordon? I would say 1 post per 24 hours would suit them well.

Clever, good work on pointing out the ridiculousness of the BW analysis as it concerns the BW on you. You are starting to see beyond the bromides and get the bigger picture, I guess shield is teaching you well.

I think they (especially jak) are contributing to the game and I would much rather have people post too much than have them post too little. I'm just gonna place an IGMEOY on you doom, I am still suspicious of you from earlier but right now chap seems scummier.

Well, either way, I don't really think there's much of a case on me.

And good luck getting enough votes for a lynch anyway, no one can agree on anyone in this game, so if I actually get more than 7 votes on me I'll claim. I caution everyone to not rush a lynch against me though. Otherwise, I have no more defense to give. I gave it.

So you are refusing to defend yourself on the basis that people are unlikely to lunch you? Either you are part of the worryingly large section of people who think the only way to defend yourself is to claim, or you are incapable of providing reasons behind what you were doing in order to defend yourself. Right now I believe the latter to be true.