Battle of the Bulge - CLOSED

[everywhere116]

Then we move onto "We're just going to kill you anyways" comment. There was no need for that and jg, while not town and he admits he's not town, he's given more insights in town's favor than you have Clever. So my question is who is we? Also, the way you worded it. It seems odd to me, you never said lynch, you said kill... So again, who's the we, Clever?

While inactives are huge problems in the game, they can be dealt with. But I'm not going to sit back the only day I have to do anything for the town and let this slide. You said "we" and "kill" Clever, neither of which am I comfortable with, especially toward someone that has contributed way more than a lot of the town (yes, I know and they should know as well of the ones that are contributing, but the ones also know who they are whom aren't).

I think this is the most damning right here. I know from personal experience that a slight misphrasing or slip could be indicative of a guilty alignment, especially in a quick or rushed post, like the kind that post seemed to be.

Vote Clever

[chapcrap]

So many new posts every day. I wish I could check in a little more often lately, but I just haven't had the time. So, about once a day is all I can muster at the moment. It would help if a few people could just be a little bit more clear and not make multiple posts when they aren't necessary...

mod-->Also, can we just set a hard deadline? I don't want this day to keep getting pushed back and end up having a two month Day 1.

Anyway, I don't really see what CLEVER just did that was that awful. It's still day though and every little thing will be jumped on. At least we're finally doing something. I suppose that CLEVER is the scummiest (other than jgordon, who I'm not sure I believe anyway), so I'll go ahead and make DoomYoshi happy and unvote FOS CLEVER. No vote for now, because that's 3 votes in a row already and we don't need to get out of control when we have until May 7.

FASTPOSTED...make that 4 votes in row.

[everywhere116]

Unvote Vote Clever

There we go.

[jgordon1111]

So many new posts every day. I wish I could check in a little more often lately, but I just haven't had the time. So, about once a day is all I can muster at the moment. It would help if a few people could just be a little bit more clear and not make multiple posts when they aren't necessary...

mod-->Also, can we just set a hard deadline? I don't want this day to keep getting pushed back and end up having a two month Day 1.

Anyway, I don't really see what CLEVER just did that was that awful. It's still day though and every little thing will be jumped on. At least we're finally doing something. I suppose that CLEVER is the scummiest (other than jgordon, who I'm not sure I believe anyway), so I'll go ahead and make DoomYoshi happy and unvote FOS CLEVER. No vote for now, because that's 3 votes in a row already and we don't need to get out of control when we have until May 7.

FASTPOSTED...make that 4 votes in row.

several things I see wrong with your post as well chap. I understand you are quite busy of late (congratulations on the new cards fan)

1. you dont see what clever did as awful.
2. you again quietly point back to me in parantheses so it will be noted.
3. and yet your vote has oddly enough not been on me(when according to you I am the scummiest person here other than clever who you FOS'ed not voted because others have done so ahead of you) I wouldnt want to put pressure on him either to see what he has to say for himself.

[ghostly447]

Vote count within 10 minutes.

To answer your questions SG7 (Tagging your votes with Clevers) I must say no due to that no one knows each others alignments. I hint at nothing in that post. It is simply because if you werent the same alignment then it would make it completely idiotic . Still not hinting at anything there guys, just want to make my reasons clear.

[ghostly447]

Official Simplified Vote Count

With 18 alive, it takes 10 to lynch

Jgordon – /, Rodion, Spartacus, thechuck
DoomYoshi – CMS
PMC – Spartacus
CLEVER – Everywhere, Jak, New guy1, Safari
CMS – Dazza, SG7

As requested, I will turn the un-solid deadline of 5/7/12 into a SOLID DEADLINE. No more extensions peoples!

In other news, the vote count should be completely accurate. If it isnt, then I have to go scanning for deleted posts because I went in order of author and found the last visible vote/unvote of everyone.

I will attempt to recruit 2 more players to replace those who need it.

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Vote count within 10 minutes.

To answer your questions SG7 (Tagging your votes with Clevers) I must say no due to that no one knows each others alignments. I hint at nothing in that post. It is simply because if you werent the same alignment then it would make it completely idiotic . Still not hinting at anything there guys, just want to make my reasons clear.

Wait, does the mafia not know the mafia's alignment? is this a dual factions game?

[ghostly447]

Vote count within 10 minutes.

To answer your questions SG7 (Tagging your votes with Clevers) I must say no due to that no one knows each others alignments. I hint at nothing in that post. It is simply because if you werent the same alignment then it would make it completely idiotic . Still not hinting at anything there guys, just want to make my reasons clear.

Wait, does the mafia not know the mafia's alignment? is this a dual factions game?

The mafia know their alignments. No worries. Lol.

[Ragian]

But as of now, I don't really have a case to go on in this game except for Ragian. Whom I believe I saw him post a bit ago?

You have a case on me? Or did I misunderstand the above?

@clever case,
- The skimming part does look bad, but on the other hand people post so much that when I get in here a couple of times a day, I always have 3-4 pages of new posts to read. It does make not skimming a wee bit hard.
- The phrasing in itself might be bad, but not enough to earn my vote. I know that the town lynches and that the mafia performs nightkills, but essentially lynching is killing. If he'd said nightkill, I'd vote him
- The fact that he defends SG7 so much, however, does annoy me a bit. I saw it in Rodion's power draft mafia (wasn't that the name). On D1 we lynched SG7 who slipped up. He was mafia ninja or framer or something evil like that. I honestly can't remember what clever was, because I was killed on N1 so I didn't pay too much attention. I could go back and check when I get off from work.

But, as chapcrap, I'll be mellow about it and FoS clever. Care to address the accusations made by several players, clever?

[ghostly447]

gimli1990 will be replacing Crazymilkshake5. I will send him his role PM today when I get home. Give him a warm welcome!

[Some7hingCLEVER]

Back, and reading up, looooong catch up, so things may not immediately click for me, but I'll note the few things that did pop out when I read through.

PMC. You make all those notes, and a VC never crosses your mind? All you need to do is take out your computer notebook and type up the names of the voters next to the votees. I find it hard to believe that it would never cross your mind in this game, especially after all those votes on JG started going up. Small FOS.

Seriously, how is that possibly a FOS?
"Hey Man, why are you not doing that thing you don't do in any game regardless of alignment? That makes it slightly more likely you received a mafia role in this game!"
I don't keep counts either, but I will do a fast tally between the last mod count and the current posts before voting.

The worry however, is that we've already got 2 claims today, so pressuring someone else for a claim isn't really worth it anymore

why is that? I do not advocate mass claims, but does having people claim make further claims/lynches less tactically valuable?
Would a no lynch be preferential, or do you prefer focusing pressure on those who have already claimed so we do not let scum sip through?


@Jgordon, why would you prefer town to win over mafia? is it just a flavor thing about being a polish holocaust victim? (Which now that I think about it, how can a holocaust survivor win with Nazis? ) you go on and on about how everyone and their grandma is a lazy mindless bandwagoner, why would you unquestioningly root for the team that is "lazy" and kills you?

just for reference this is the post i posted it after
and i have a few points to make.
he said kill just like i did...why is there no pressure on him? and if you notice he was refering to town just like i was. so why is no pressure on him when he said it as well? im just proving my point and obviously you guys did not read the tail end of this post..which is ...what do you call it?

skimming.

lol ya jgordon why do you want us to win! were just gonna kill you anyway.

This comment has extremely odd timing. This would have made a little more sense if we were in the middle of pressuring jgordon. However, at this point in time, with the pressure off and the deadline extended, I see no reason for this post. As I said before, if a survivor wants town to win, that's no concern to me. And we aren't yet under deadline pressure to make a sweeping generalization about lynching jgordon. It's not so much the first part of the post that bothers me but more the second part where clever is not only rehashing an old argument but also apparently trying to steer the lynch when we have some time left.

Also, the post where clever basically wants to ally himself with sg7 because of some perceived loyalty is just beyond dumb. PMC got me my start in modding, tails is someone I consider a good mafia friend, but that doesn't mean I'm going to stick by them every game unless I'm sure we're on the same side.

unvote vote clever

seriously. IT WAS A JOKE! do you seriously think i would say that in all seriousness. i WAS sticking up for him but i was doing it cause i thought he voted him for a dumb reason and i apologized...hold on...

This is nuts,is that 3 down or 2. not sure about spartacus. how long is it going to take to get replacements.

And leehar I wasnt skimming I didnt know what he was asking to do was possible and I am not in the other games so I couldnt know about them.

But I do know he isnt using it for a sheild,like I thought arrrgh UNVOTE SG7

why in the world are you voting him. he will be back. the othrers asked for replacements we might as well get one of them or an inactive but not a guy who has a legit reason for being gone and will be back. FOS jgordon for that one.

2 things here clever,

1. you either didnt read my post that you quoted at all.

2. Or you are trying to rekindle the bandwagon on me.

I am going to choose to believe the bandwagon theory here because up till now I figure you have followed pretty close what has been going on.

that combination and some of your other responses now make you look like scum, If you are going to ask what other responses I am going to refer to the question PMC put to you. Ok you are friends or whatever cool I can see that but jumping out to defend someone in that manner in this type of game where you cannot be not sure of their alignment,says volumes about the possibility of your role.

...i feel ridiculously stupid...all i can say is i misread it...ummm..damn i really dont know what to say but that no matter who it was you would have done that to then i wuld have defended them...i defend based on what someone says not on who its said to. sorry i read that wrong.

see so my "friendship" with sg7 has nothing to do with why i defended him i would have done the same if it were you or any other player. the fact is i read it wrong and i apologized.

But as of now, I don't really have a case to go on in this game except for Ragian. Whom I believe I saw him post a bit ago?

You have a case on me? Or did I misunderstand the above?

@clever case,
- The skimming part does look bad, but on the other hand people post so much that when I get in here a couple of times a day, I always have 3-4 pages of new posts to read. It does make not skimming a wee bit hard.
- The phrasing in itself might be bad, but not enough to earn my vote. I know that the town lynches and that the mafia performs nightkills, but essentially lynching is killing. If he'd said nightkill, I'd vote him
- The fact that he defends SG7 so much, however, does annoy me a bit. I saw it in Rodion's power draft mafia (wasn't that the name). On D1 we lynched SG7 who slipped up. He was mafia ninja or framer or something evil like that. I honestly can't remember what clever was, because I was killed on N1 so I didn't pay too much attention. I could go back and check when I get off from work.

But, as chapcrap, I'll be mellow about it and FoS clever. Care to address the accusations made by several players, clever?

it that game i was the tracker caught the last two mafia and won the game. i did not know what sg7 was in any way and it was d1 im sure i was just joking around.

Hmm, I'm glad others are thinking this as well, I just read the last page and this page and thought no one caught it. But Clever is playing a bit odd here. He 'misses' an Unvote as he calls jg on a vote? Either late response or skimming through it.

Then we move onto "We're just going to kill you anyways" comment. There was no need for that and jg, while not town and he admits he's not town, he's given more insights in town's favor than you have Clever. So my question is who is we? Also, the way you worded it. It seems odd to me, you never said lynch, you said kill... So again, who's the we, Clever?

While inactives are huge problems in the game, they can be dealt with. But I'm not going to sit back the only day I have to do anything for the town and let this slide. You said "we" and "kill" Clever, neither of which am I comfortable with, especially toward someone that has contributed way more than a lot of the town (yes, I know and they should know as well of the ones that are contributing, but the ones also know who they are whom aren't).

For the following reasons Clever, my vote is landing onto you.
~ You skimmed over JG's unvote.
~ You tried to bring up JG's bandwagon again with the extended deadline confirmed.
~ You tried to say how the town will work when we still don't know who we're going to lynch.
~ You mentioned kill instead of lynch, yes you'll just say, "oops, my bad" but the first time people mention things are what they usually really mean.
~ You're trying to end the day with a lynch on a useful player with a little more than a week until the deadline.

Unvote, Vote Clever

i didnt skim. i misread. wanna know the difference?
skimming- when you read a post half ass and get little out of it but not all of it and post of that and get your info wrong.
misreading-well its misreading. im used to just unvote not unvote then the name so i thought you said vote sg7 im sorry i misread and i have already apologized and explained it.
so dont add skimming to my case add misreading.

I must agree CLEVER's wording was bad, but I must also point out that your last reason is bad as EVERYONE wanted a lynch till I said to calm your tits. Just saying, and also for the reasons given in Jak's post, Vote CLEVER

not much to say to this your just jumping on a BW with good cause.

Then we move onto "We're just going to kill you anyways" comment. There was no need for that and jg, while not town and he admits he's not town, he's given more insights in town's favor than you have Clever. So my question is who is we? Also, the way you worded it. It seems odd to me, you never said lynch, you said kill... So again, who's the we, Clever?

While inactives are huge problems in the game, they can be dealt with. But I'm not going to sit back the only day I have to do anything for the town and let this slide. You said "we" and "kill" Clever, neither of which am I comfortable with, especially toward someone that has contributed way more than a lot of the town (yes, I know and they should know as well of the ones that are contributing, but the ones also know who they are whom aren't).

I think this is the most damning right here. I know from personal experience that a slight misphrasing or slip could be indicative of a guilty alignment, especially in a quick or rushed post, like the kind that post seemed to be.

Vote Clever

we=town
kill=lynch

dont try to tell me that while your town you dont say we inferring to town. and sorry i didnt say lynch that is my fault. but to have this whole case uprise on me for one word is utter bull. i see you have other points but that wasnt brought up till i said one word and misread one word. this case is not a good one. it would be if i hadnt already pointed out that i messed up.

So many new posts every day. I wish I could check in a little more often lately, but I just haven't had the time. So, about once a day is all I can muster at the moment. It would help if a few people could just be a little bit more clear and not make multiple posts when they aren't necessary...

mod-->Also, can we just set a hard deadline? I don't want this day to keep getting pushed back and end up having a two month Day 1.

Anyway, I don't really see what CLEVER just did that was that awful. It's still day though and every little thing will be jumped on. At least we're finally doing something. I suppose that CLEVER is the scummiest (other than jgordon, who I'm not sure I believe anyway), so I'll go ahead and make DoomYoshi happy and unvote FOS CLEVER. No vote for now, because that's 3 votes in a row already and we don't need to get out of control when we have until May 7.

FASTPOSTED...make that 4 votes in row.

several things I see wrong with your post as well chap. I understand you are quite busy of late (congratulations on the new cards fan)

1. you dont see what clever did as awful.
2. you again quietly point back to me in parantheses so it will be noted.
3. and yet your vote has oddly enough not been on me(when according to you I am the scummiest person here other than clever who you FOS'ed not voted because others have done so ahead of you) I wouldnt want to put pressure on him either to see what he has to say for himself.

what was wrong with his post. he voiced his opinion?are you allowed to tell other players what to think? then you tell him who he should have voted and not fos'ed. not trying to defend just worth noting.

[new guy1]

Not gonna quote Clevers claim, but I believe he defended it well. He explained everything, therefore Unvote for now. I do not want to pressure him for a claim as he seems to have a reason for everything he was accused of.

[Some7hingCLEVER]

Not gonna quote Clevers claim, but I believe he defended it well. He explained everything, therefore Unvote for now. I do not want to pressure him for a claim as he seems to have a reason for everything he was accused of.

you mean my post? dont want you to get lynched for saying the wrong word.

[new guy1]

Not gonna quote Clevers defense post, but I believe he defended it well. He explained everything, therefore Unvote for now. I do not want to pressure him for a claim as he seems to have a reason for everything he was accused of.

EBWOP

fastposted- lol

[pmchugh]

Normally I would think that clevers play was scumbuddying, although Ragian is right, the exact same thing was pointed out between these players in power role where shield was scum and clever was town. I think the BW was surprisingly fast, and I would be surprised if there were not one or two scum on it who were either trying to pick on the easy target or worried about being seen to not vote for a scumbuddy.

[everywhere116]

Then we move onto "We're just going to kill you anyways" comment. There was no need for that and jg, while not town and he admits he's not town, he's given more insights in town's favor than you have Clever. So my question is who is we? Also, the way you worded it. It seems odd to me, you never said lynch, you said kill... So again, who's the we, Clever?

While inactives are huge problems in the game, they can be dealt with. But I'm not going to sit back the only day I have to do anything for the town and let this slide. You said "we" and "kill" Clever, neither of which am I comfortable with, especially toward someone that has contributed way more than a lot of the town (yes, I know and they should know as well of the ones that are contributing, but the ones also know who they are whom aren't).

I think this is the most damning right here. I know from personal experience that a slight misphrasing or slip could be indicative of a guilty alignment, especially in a quick or rushed post, like the kind that post seemed to be.

Vote Clever

we=town
kill=lynch

dont try to tell me that while your town you dont say we inferring to town. and sorry i didnt say lynch that is my fault. but to have this whole case uprise on me for one word is utter bull. i see you have other points but that wasnt brought up till i said one word and misread one word. this case is not a good one. it would be if i hadnt already pointed out that i messed up.

Ok, very well. Unvote

[jgordon1111]

Normally I would think that clevers play was scumbuddying, although Ragian is right, the exact same thing was pointed out between these players in power role where shield was scum and clever was town. I think the BW was surprisingly fast, and I would be surprised if there were not one or two scum on it who were either trying to pick on the easy target or worried about being seen to not vote for a scumbuddy.

Ok clever very well explained, lets see who jumps off the fastest without clarifying why.

[jak111]

Hmm, anyone like what I did there? I think I proved my point in this. Give me a few minutes, i wish to see all of whom voted for clever, me, AND jg or any mix of the two, and either jumped off quickly or hasn't had the chance to jump off.

I think this just got us a bit more info for the day, hmm?

[Ragian]

So when you've done that, jak111, could you address the case involving me you stated to have?

[jak111]

show: votes

2. new guy1 - jg, x, clever, x
4. SG7 - jg, x
5. Chapcrap - jak, x
6. Dazza - jg, x
7. Safari guy - jg, x, jak, x, jg, x, clever,
8. Rodion - jg
11. / - jg
12. SPARTACUS1974 - jg
13. Lehar - jak, x
14. Everywhere - jak, x, clever, x/clever, x
15. DoomYoshi - jg, x
16. Jak111 - jg, x, clever
17. Thechuck51 - jg
18. PMC - jak, x, jg, x

So with this list, it seems Saf is the biggest jumper and appears on ALL 3 wagons. I was on jg's wagon, because at the time he seemed scummy, and I made up Clever's wagon pretty much to catch a few of you . PMC was on 2/3 wagons, Everywhere was on 2/3 wagons, New Guy was on 2/3 wagons.

So now the question is, who's more scummier of 4? (Saf, PMC, Everywhere, New Guy) Or do you even think the scum were in the wagons?

As for Ragian's post above me unless I'm fastposted (Most likely since I've spent an hour on researching this, so if you skim this you're truly anti town if you don't wish to take a quick look at some facts when they're presented with research done). I had you on my mental list before because of your activity, you're on and posting but you're not that active, or at least haven't caught my attention comment wise (Take that as good or bad, you decide for yourself there).

[jak111]

EBWOP, also since my vote was on Clever strictly for this. Unvote (After spending an hour on that post I almost forgot XD).

[new guy1]

I will not quote jak's post, but I am responding to it. As for Clever, I just wanted him to prove that it was a screw up on words, and he did. I never thought he was scummy (okay maybe a little when he worded his phrase that way). As for JG, I voted him because we needed somewhere to go and he was being pressure, so I added mine. If you all remember I hopped off because I believed his claim and have been advocating his survival.

[Leehar]

Hmm, anyone like what I did there? I think I proved my point in this. Give me a few minutes, i wish to see all of whom voted for clever, me, AND jg or any mix of the two, and either jumped off quickly or hasn't had the chance to jump off.

I think this just got us a bit more info for the day, hmm?

Yup, I was wondering how people could jump on such a slim case. Heck, I could've told you clever was just misreading and referring to the kill from town perspective, so that really seems to be scummy from everywhere and ng1. I haven't really gotten as much from saf and pmc, but I'd also fos for acting like you agree with something, but only not voting because you want to try and act like you're not actually bandwagoning, even tho you really are by tacit agreement if not in actual votes for such a nonsensical case.

Vote New guy, because he just got my attention first for weak tagalong bandwagon votes and unvotes.

[new guy1]

Hmm, anyone like what I did there? I think I proved my point in this. Give me a few minutes, i wish to see all of whom voted for clever, me, AND jg or any mix of the two, and either jumped off quickly or hasn't had the chance to jump off.

I think this just got us a bit more info for the day, hmm?

Yup, I was wondering how people could jump on such a slim case. Heck, I could've told you clever was just misreading and referring to the kill from town perspective, so that really seems to be scummy from everywhere and ng1. I haven't really gotten as much from saf and pmc, but I'd also fos for acting like you agree with something, but only not voting because you want to try and act like you're not actually bandwagoning, even tho you really are by tacit agreement if not in actual votes for such a nonsensical case.

Vote New guy, because he just got my attention first for weak tagalong bandwagon votes and unvotes.

Well note also that I had my own reasons for voting JG and that I later defended him and then for clever that I unvoted because he had good reasoning. I didnt remember that I had voted JG at the time of voting clever and so I thought I might be "caught" for innaction since that would be 3 cases I didnt vote for. You havent gotten much from saf and pmc? They are more active then me and would probably jump on the wagons they did quicker then me had they been online and not me. It doesnt make since to FOS me and then vote me also, so I dont know if you are trying to add words to your arguement to make it look better, but it didnt, and I gave my reasoning for voting clever and you changed my wording to make it sound as if I had malicious intent when I really didnt. I would vote you, but that would be counted as OMGUS, so it is only noted.

[Leehar]

Sorry my fos in mid-paragraph was to chap and Ragian I think it was? Who didn't unvote but did fos clever?

I'm confused why you thought I was fos'ing you tho?

You seemed scummiest to me on my read-through with the vote before clevers defense and the unvote before jak, so since jak gave us 4 names from his 'trap', I picked you out of that bunch as the ones that jumped out most to me as scummy. Since jak's scientific analysis gave 4 outputs of vote hoppers, others are free to agree or disagree with me, you just seem the most likely scum to me personally probably due to more subjective opinions (I also think you were the one who was trying to delay getting concentration on anyone because 'there was a lot of time' left to lynch etc, but not adding anything concrete to cases and vote jumping as jaks results show)