Battle of the Bulge - CLOSED

[jgordon1111]

So if I am so great at this game and wouldn't oust the doc, what benefit does it provide to me jgordon?

It would result in a blacklisting. You risked your life to save a doctor. You are trying to convince town to lynch you. Basically, you have decided that you want town to win, and not your own faction. If mafia did that, they would tell town all the members of mafia and roles. What you are doing is the exact same thing (if you are a survivor). How is it that ignoring the role that the mod gave you and switching sides would not result in a blacklist?

I thought we were done with this, I am telling town to lynch me rather than vig me,they will get more info that way. I have no faction I am a survivor all I have to do to win is make it to the end of the game.

If you dont think I have been doing everything I can to survive as long as I can you are wrong wrong wrong.

I have not ignored the role that the mod gave me.

And there is not a single thing in the rules on CC or any other mafia side that say you cannot help one faction or the other to a win,or choose a side you wish to help win.


Doom you know better than this cheap crap you are still throwing at me as an omgus, I agreed to stop and play the game and yet you push again knowing what you are saying is incorrect and a blatant omgus.

[safariguy5]

Bleh, if jgordon wants to play survivor that way, that's up to him. I know from experience survivor is a tough role to play and it's backfired on me pretty spectacularly before (Game of Thrones Mafia and Red Dead Redemption Mafia).

The way I see it, survivor being the day 1 lynch if he's willing to give himself up is better than a day 1 VT lynch. As town, doesn't really matter to me if the survivor, once outed, wants to give himself up. I mean, sure, the survivor really wants to win, but getting outed early probably takes away any late game leverage he could have had. I'm not sure how much lynch info we'll get right away, but I suppose it can't hurt analyzing possible bandwagonning later.

Not sure how long the deadline is extended, and I don't recall seeing a vote count recently, but I think pursuing another case is warranted here.

[everywhere116]

Bleh, if jgordon wants to play survivor that way, that's up to him. I know from experience survivor is a tough role to play and it's backfired on me pretty spectacularly before (Game of Thrones Mafia and Red Dead Redemption Mafia).

The way I see it, survivor being the day 1 lynch if he's willing to give himself up is better than a day 1 VT lynch. As town, doesn't really matter to me if the survivor, once outed, wants to give himself up. I mean, sure, the survivor really wants to win, but getting outed early probably takes away any late game leverage he could have had. I'm not sure how much lynch info we'll get right away, but I suppose it can't hurt analyzing possible bandwagonning later.

Not sure how long the deadline is extended, and I don't recall seeing a vote count recently, but I think pursuing another case is warranted here.

Agreed, although I wasn't exactly sure when the deadline was before and I don't know when it is now.. I don't think we have anything else to go off other than your inactive CM5 case. If we still have nothing after that we could just follow gordon's suggestion and send him to the firing squad.

Vote CM5

[jgordon1111]

well I suggest that you collectively put your heads together and look back you will find more that have basically submarined and some who look rather scummy but it was passed during the discussions and fighting that really just gave mafia a hole to hide in and time to pass.

They are there go back and look close to who said what and why.And did it make sense as to what was going on.

[ghostly447]

Didnt get to do this guys. Got busy. Sorry, will try to do it at school tomorrow.

Deadline is now May 7th. This is still not solid if I see strong activity and some good cases moving around.

[chapcrap]

And yes, Leehar has defeated my concept. Now I have the next question:

People say I am scummy for revealing the doctor's fakeclaim. If I am scum, why wouldn't I just wait until night and tell my scum-mates? For it to be a scummy act, it would actually automatically discount the possibility of me being scum. Yes, this is WIFOM. Yes, I admit it was a mistake. Yes, I admit that I may not fully understand the BW on me (looking at you chap).

I'm still finishing catching up today. I just wanted to say that I already answered and explained this. You don't like my answer or did you miss it? You better say you didn't like it and tell me why, otherwise jgordon is gonna catch you skimming again.

[chapcrap]

(Chap mentioned he saw a good ammount of those lately, could you please mention which games other than my FFVII one?).

This is about mafia busdrivers. Yes, I could go through my old games and find them since I don't remember, but what would the point of that be?

[Some7hingCLEVER]

You are correct Rodion on another site I would have been in alot of trouble for what I did most likely,maybe not black listed.

But if you have played on another site,the games are not exactly run like here,everyone plays or gets lynched for submarining. And alot of times survivors are not auto killed like they are here,deals are made and there if you break them its remembered and you get screwed next time you catch a survivor role.

when I get it this game, I think you will be quite surprised to find out that I am a survivor. And I have not broke any rules my wc is to survive,if you dont think I am trying you are wrong. And there is nothing in the rules about me helping a side of my choosing to victory. Either on CC or any other site. Matter of fact I can point out a few players in this game that once they were outed a survivors picked a side to win and went with it. It was not considered cheating then and its not cheating now. The only difference is I wont beg not to be killed.

I dont have to be somebody else (vs or jonty) to play the way I do.

And I still stand by my vote on doom for outing the doc and for his general non town gameplay.

But it was nice to see you come in and speak your mind about whats going on Rodion, I appreciate what you have said, but doom's votes are not weak sauce according to the standard most are pressured on or lynched on. At this point in the game as far as scum go its doom all the way.

Wow fastposted by almost everyone, Yea crazy should have spoken up by now he knows how it looks to submarine, still cant bring myself to change my vote, Doom I would bet money you are scum this game

you have played enough games to know not to out the docs soft claim that screams wrong to me. But you recover with I could have discussed it with my scum buddies during the night. My own belief is you did it to get a hard claim or to try and run a BW on him and later would say opps. and if he dies at night you can still go opps.

Or another thought just rolled through my head UNVOTE DOOM I hope your that good

Fastposted by Jak

ok so jak softclaimed doc right? and doom outed it. and by that i assume you mean he just pointed out what he said that led to the softclaim? well i honestly dont see what is wrong with that. i think im confused for your reasonings for voting him. so if you could make like one post of your reasons that would be awesome that way i could get my opinion on this case cause as of now its just mud being slung around

[jgordon1111]

Yes it finished off as mud slinging clever,

But in most games it is considered not a good thing if you see the doc is dropping hints as to his role,then you go and point it out. The doc role is pretty important,if you think you know who it is you generally keep it to yourself.

unless you think it is a fakeclaim or you are mafia.

and usually the person who calls them on it can only have one role to do that.

[ghostly447]

Official Simplified Vote Count

With 18 alive, it takes 10 to lynch

Jgordon – Dazza, Rodion, Spartacus, Thechuck
new guy1 – Clever
DoomYoshi – CMS, PMC, Jak, ChapCrap
PMC – /
CMS – Safari, Jak, everywhere

Deadline set for 5/7/12 at around 9pm EST. (Extended an extra week+). Still not a solid Deadline if I see very good activity.

ADDITIONAL NOTES

Page 25. Clever, you did not Unvote:

Ok, jgordon. In clear English can you explain how you caught me skimming? You requested a modkill because I edited my own post. Now you are accusing me of skimming the fact that I edited my posts?

I will be honest jgordon. 90% I read but I am forced to ignore because your grasp of English is incomprehensible. I try to find the meaning in what you say, but you talk so much and so poorly that it usually ends up being more effort than it is worth. Right now I still can't understand what you are saying. You didn't catch anyone skimming, from what I saw, most players (including the mod) went back and checked whether or not I edited a post.

this post busts my gut cause he has been told plenty of times what the point of that was so in this post he pretty much digs himself a hole. he did it to see who was skimming i had one read through and i knew that. then you dis him on his english and i can read it fine maybe im on the same level of idiocy he is. except that i wouldnt soft claim doctor at all. so i guess im higher on the inteligence totem pole then he is. anyway i can understand everything. and yes he did catch someone skimming ...YOU you skimmed for pages not knowing what he said when even other people are trying to explain it to you. so for that vote doom

jgordon- i have no clue why you soft claimed doc and its confusing. i dont see your reasoning behind it at all. if you even gave one. you outed one of towns power roles right of the bat and its not gonna help us at all.

jak111-if doom comes up to not be a good candidate to lynch ill vote you because you said that you didnt care if you got killed.

Again CLEVER. To prevent from taking up so much space, here is the time of your post (Response to ChapCrap big post P. 28)

by Some7hingCLEVER on Tue Apr 24, 2012 6:30 am


*At one point, Clever not unvoting saved jgordon from going to L-1

[shieldgenerator7]

VOTE MILKSHAKE BW for submarining

Really ghostly you're going to be that strict? Ok then, I'll keep that in my mind so I'll know to be consistent with my unvotes. Way to prevent L-1 S7C!

-SG7 ( )

[new guy1]

VOTE MILKSHAKE BW for submarining

Really ghostly you're going to be that strict? Ok then, I'll keep that in my mind so I'll know to be consistent with my unvotes. Way to prevent L-1 S7C!

-SG7 ( )

At least he pointed out that he didnt unvote, instead of just reminding everyone to unvote before a vote and leaving it up to S7C to figure it out

[pmchugh]

I think the case on doom is getting rather stale. On a quick reread this post stood out to me as scummy:

ok read through all the pages trying not to skim to much

jaks claim i think has to be believed as no one counter claimed the doc but why the claim in the first place he just put a great target on his head ?

Encouraging a CC from doc.

For doom he tried his best to make sure that every1 new that jak was the doc and that again does seem scummy to me fos doom

Many people had said this before him and he looks to be just giving himself license to BW later.

As for jgordon being a survivor has no real use to town he may say he wants town to win but i doubt it i have played in other games with him and he does not like to lose so why tell us to lynch him it makes no sense at all , with this i think its a fake claim trying to make himself not look like a threat .

unvote/vote jgordon

Going with the easy bandwagon for no newly stated reasons.

again i am sorry for my lack of posts and it will be like this for the next 3 days i have work at sea and training for the lifeboat i have someone playing my games i hope but if this does cause a problem i can ask the mod to replace me its up to you guys

unvote vote spartacus

[Leehar]

Did we have 9 on doom or jg? He didn't unvote from jg right, so wouldn't that be keeping him on l-1?
Or he didn't unvote from Doom before voting jg?
I'm surprised jg still got to 8, yet still survived after all that mudslinging? Perhaps the wise words from ng on we have time was noted clearly

It is somewhat anti-climactic tho. We start accelerating on a bandwagon in anticipation of trying to get a lynch within a deadline, and the Ghost pushes it back another week?

[new guy1]

Did we have 9 on doom or jg? He didn't unvote from jg right, so wouldn't that be keeping him on l-1?
Or he didn't unvote from Doom before voting jg?
I'm surprised jg still got to 8, yet still survived after all that mudslinging? Perhaps the wise words from ng on we have time was noted clearly

It is somewhat anti-climactic tho. We start accelerating on a bandwagon in anticipation of trying to get a lynch within a deadline, and the Ghost pushes it back another week?

People were pushing for a lynch just to lynch. Even if he didnt push the deadline back, we would still have two days from now to lynch him. Actually 2 and a half right now. There was absolutly no reason to rush into that lynch, and I am taking note of the people who just restated reasons in order to join up on the bandwagon without being noticed. I can almost garantee at least a couple of the scum jumped on the wagon and wish it got closer then L-2/L1, as the perfect excuse was there that the mod didnt post a VC quickly and so we didnt notice it.That would pretty much cover up any speedlynch there was and kill many cases for tomorrow.

[pmchugh]

I agree, I didn't realise it was that high. It would be nice if we had a list of those who were voting him at that stage.

[crazymilkshake5]

What? me submarine? never.

[everywhere116]

Welcome back. Anything to say regarding the game?

[shieldgenerator7]

What? me submarine? never.

WB CM5 CTC?

-SG7 ( )

[shieldgenerator7]

Sorry, I thought "CTC" meant "Care to Comment" but after looking it up it says it means "Call the Cell"
lshicastr not exactly what I was trying to say

-SG7 ( )

[jgordon1111]

lol Ask me when I get off work I kept track of who was pushing and why.

[crazymilkshake5]

uh... no not really, I just dont think that the SPARTACUS1974 case is worth following.

[jgordon1111]

First off FOS crazy for sever submarining and not being more involved in the game,it looks bad when your only real comment is you dont think a case on someone is strong. You could have at least said why.

As for the early votes on me not that important, chuck is new and is forgiven for not realizing it is best to continue to look for scum,not just speed lynch someone because others dont feel like looking for those that will kill them come N1.

As for the others well it is what it is. Just know you should hope I do get lynched because when you slip worse than what you have, I will be there ensuring your lynch happens.

And it wont be propaganda to cover my role,I am not hiding. It will be your current mistakes along with the new ones YOU WILL MAKE,which will in turn give up your scum mates.

[pmchugh]

uh... no not really, I just dont think that the SPARTACUS1974 case is worth following.

Wow this is terrible.. there is so much more to comment on:

What do you think of the jgordon wagon?
What do you think of jak feeling like he needed to soft claim?
And of doom turning that into a hard claim?
Why don't you think spart is worth pursuing?
Who you do think is worth pursuing?

You need a good comeback post to excuse your submarining.

[jgordon1111]

uh... no not really, I just dont think that the SPARTACUS1974 case is worth following.

Wow this is terrible.. there is so much more to comment on:

What do you think of the jgordon wagon?
What do you think of jak feeling like he needed to soft claim?
And of doom turning that into a hard claim?
Why don't you think spart is worth pursuing?
Who you do think is worth pursuing?

You need a good comeback post to excuse your submarining.

+1 And see alot more of them on the horizon if you dont have something good now.