Battle of the Bulge - CLOSED

[everywhere116]

Everywhere you might want to steer clear of this one,remember I picked you as scum D1 last game we were in and you swung for it. I had you dead to rights when you called me out, want to try your luck again?

If you noticed I haven't picked a side. I was just commenting. Frankly Doom looks a bit more suspicious to me. And what happened in a previous game is irrelevant.

[safariguy5]

The logic in play here is mind boggling to say the least.

Are guys kidding me with this vig the survivor crap, c'mon some of you are supposed to be mafia players on CC.

Your chances of getting info(you need info,its a good thing) is increased with a lynch of a survivor you cant trust. Vigging the survivor is a net gain of nothing at all. Or accidentally revealing your vig(duh).

scenario your vig goes for the survivor(you have pre arranged this) mafia knows your going to,so freak it they join the kill. now your watcher has seen both killers,he lays back and starts asking questions. Here is where this is a bad idea, READ this carefully mafia jumps forward and claims the kill,or the vig claims it. either way a counter claim happens,now you have revealed your vig and watcher, odds are you guys will hang your vig(just a bet I would wager on in vegas) and opps when you find out to late that night you lose your watcher,this is a win win for mafia. anyone who says this is a good idea needs to refocus and get their head into this game. There are so many different ways this can go wrong it is unbelieveable.

If you cannot trust the survivor hang him,DO NOT BE STUPID and vig him. LOL I already suspect what is going to happen READ make your choices dont follow because you havent been in the game. get into it now or take the chance of losing.

Why would our watcher watch the vig kill on the survivor? We have a claimed doc, assuming we have a watcher, our watcher would be watching the doc to see if mafia try to kill/roleblock the doc.

I've heard enough, constant belittling of other players notwithstanding, jgordon's play is not indicative of a third party survivor and his constant attempts to direct play makes me think he's being disingenuous about town winning.

unvote vote jgordon

[jgordon1111]

Everywhere you might want to steer clear of this one,remember I picked you as scum D1 last game we were in and you swung for it. I had you dead to rights when you called me out, want to try your luck again?

If you noticed I haven't picked a side. I was just commenting. Frankly Doom looks a bit more suspicious to me. And what happened in a previous game is irrelevant.

True that was then this is now. You play at least,read and do what you think is best as I am sure you will. But I ask you to not follow that vig crap.

Lynching is better for getting info.

Fastposted by safari LOL again, your supposed to be able to read people better than this safari.

I am belittling those that are not playing or following blindly saf, hoping against hope they will come and play.

Good vote go for it.

[jgordon1111]

my list of possible scum

Safari guy,you are predictable. You cant help it for some reason, thats why I brought up the meta gaming against you earlier. and the fact thats how I killed you N3 in that game.

Doom is second for the obvious reasons.

And of course their is chuck who finally came in and said he was to busy with other games to be really involved with this one.

[thechuck51]

my list of possible scum

Safari guy,you are predictable. You cant help it for some reason, thats why I brought up the meta gaming against you earlier. and the fact thats how I killed you N3 in that game.

Doom is second for the obvious reasons.

And of course their is chuck who finally came in and said he was to busy with other games to be really involved with this one.

This and matrix are my first mafia games. Trying to stay current in both has been very difficult for me. If you look in the matrix thread, I was inactive for a couple of days in there as well. I am not neglecting one game for the other.

Tonight I have been able to catch up and I've come to a logical conclusion. A lynch of non-town is good. a survivor is non-town. you claim to be a survivor. therefore a lynch of you is good.

vote jgordon

[jgordon1111]

my list of possible scum

Safari guy,you are predictable. You cant help it for some reason, thats why I brought up the meta gaming against you earlier. and the fact thats how I killed you N3 in that game.

Doom is second for the obvious reasons.

And of course their is chuck who finally came in and said he was to busy with other games to be really involved with this one.

This and matrix are my first mafia games. Trying to stay current in both has been very difficult for me. If you look in the matrix thread, I was inactive for a couple of days in there as well. I am not neglecting one game for the other.

Tonight I have been able to catch up and I've come to a logical conclusion. A lynch of non-town is good. a survivor is non-town. you claim to be a survivor. therefore a lynch of you is good.

vote jgordon

At least now you are voting of your own accord, for your own reason. Good keep playing like that dont be lead because others tell you they know more.
you see something you dont like or trust,or you have a valid reason FOS or vote it.

Second game and you are learning.

[new guy1]

With 4 days left, we are still rushing into a lynch

[safariguy5]

my list of possible scum

Safari guy,you are predictable. You cant help it for some reason, thats why I brought up the meta gaming against you earlier. and the fact thats how I killed you N3 in that game.

Doom is second for the obvious reasons.

And of course their is chuck who finally came in and said he was to busy with other games to be really involved with this one.

This and matrix are my first mafia games. Trying to stay current in both has been very difficult for me. If you look in the matrix thread, I was inactive for a couple of days in there as well. I am not neglecting one game for the other.

Tonight I have been able to catch up and I've come to a logical conclusion. A lynch of non-town is good. a survivor is non-town. you claim to be a survivor. therefore a lynch of you is good.

vote jgordon

At least now you are voting of your own accord, for your own reason. Good keep playing like that dont be lead because others tell you they know more.
you see something you dont like or trust,or you have a valid reason FOS or vote it.

Second game and you are learning.

Predictability may not be a bad thing. If I play the same in every game, then it's more difficult to figure out alignment from game to game.

How about this, you're so certain I'm scum, why don't you put your money where your mouth is? I'll volunteer to take the lynch on the condition that you be lynched tomorrow if I turn up town. I'll say it right now, I'm town.

You claim to know a lot about mafia jgordon, you need to realize your "scum sense" or whatever is not as good as you think it is. Also, attacking me for voting you is about as blatant an OMGUS as you can get.

But hey, as you say, it's all part of the learning process right? Little humble pie never hurt anyone. I'll even help you out.

unvote vote safariguy5

[chapcrap]

Wow. This may be the most active Day I have been a part of. Just read 7 pages.

Ok, first of all, jgordon, please try to stop double posting...and being so crazy!! What I mean is I feel like you are really amped up and just going on a rage when your posting and it makes it difficult to understand quite everything you're saying. Also, for the record, I didn't skim. I'm the first one who questioned you on it. There were multiple people who skimmed, but I'm over it. I believe your claim right now. I still think that if we don't have a great candidate (very, very likely), we lynch jgordon. I don't think those votes will show us anything though. What are you thinking that the votes will show?

Secondly, I called Rodion out and he showed up with a couple of insightful posts, as I expected. However, I still think his play style this game is a little off, even if he did say he was trying to change it up. But I won't push that point.

Next, give chuck a break. This is only his second game and this is a lot. Especially with all of the meta crap going on for no reason. He might be scum, I don't know, but I think we have other things to worry about.

Also, I really, really likes SG7's post when he came back into the game. Go check it out again. Something it opened my eyes to was using a vig on jgordon. As / has already mentioned, the tone of the game suggests that there is a likely a mafia busdriver. Using a vig for a NK is a bad idea because with a mafia busdriver, you will essentially give the mafia two kills at night. The one person who brought it up and pushed for it was pmc. As a self proclaimed veteran, he should have known better and also known what he was doing. My thought: he did know. FOS pmc.

I buy jak's claim because I have no reason not to. He is most likely the doctor. You can't lynch a claimed doctor on Day 1. Silliest thing to do ever. Also, if there is another doctor, please don't counterclaim right now and expose yourself.

My vote will stay on Doom. Yes, I agreed with what you had to say about you fully exposing jak's claim. However, that doesn't mean you can't be pressured. As stated, at that time, I didn't see anyone else compelling and as I am still looking for scum, I went ahead and pressured someone for information, not for a lynch. My vote will stay until you claim. I think it's odd that pmc advocates you not claiming after previously stating that pressuring someone for claiming was good. FOS pmc again.

Ragian vs dazza: There was nothing wrong with that vote except for the fact that he is voting for someone for being inactive when there are plenty of actual cases and other things going on. I mean, what was the point?

Ok, I don't remember what SPART said right now because I read through 7 pages, but I do remember thinking, 'Thanks for nothing.'

I don't think I have anything else to say right now. What do you think about my comments? About pmc's actions? About how great SG7's post was?

P.S. Did I use my FOS's correctly, jgordon?

[Ragian]

Surely it's a bad idea to direct the vig if there's a mafia busdriver. Why are you so sure there is, chap?

[chapcrap]

Surely it's a bad idea to direct the vig if there's a mafia busdriver. Why are you so sure there is, chap?

I'm not so sure. I have just seen them a lot lately. And it would be very feasible in a game this size. And / pointed out something that ghostly said that made it seem more likely to me that there is a busdriver for the mafia. There might be, there might not be, but either way, I don't think it's safe for the mafia to know what a vig is going to do at night.

[Ragian]

Surely it's a bad idea to direct the vig if there's a mafia busdriver. Why are you so sure there is, chap?

I'm not so sure. I have just seen them a lot lately. And it would be very feasible in a game this size. And / pointed out something that ghostly said that made it seem more likely to me that there is a busdriver for the mafia. There might be, there might not be, but either way, I don't think it's safe for the mafia to know what a vig is going to do at night.

I never think it's a good idea to direct a vig on N1. Really, I think the vig should stay at home unless, as one guy mentioned, we have two players claiming the same and we lynch the wrong one.

[Some7hingCLEVER]

Wow. This may be the most active Day I have been a part of. Just read 7 pages.

Ok, first of all, jgordon, please try to stop double posting...and being so crazy!! What I mean is I feel like you are really amped up and just going on a rage when your posting and it makes it difficult to understand quite everything you're saying. Also, for the record, I didn't skim. I'm the first one who questioned you on it. There were multiple people who skimmed, but I'm over it. I believe your claim right now. I still think that if we don't have a great candidate (very, very likely), we lynch jgordon. I don't think those votes will show us anything though. What are you thinking that the votes will show?

i have to agree with the meniacal ranting part. i have done it before (power roles) and it just ended casting more suspicion on me so from one player to another i say its a bad idea. i honestly dont know the point in that trick jgordon played cause it didnt do anything IMO if you wanna catch someone for skimming wait till they screw up. you dont make a case cause someone skimmed you make a case and add in that they skimmed. if you lynch someone because they skimmed its a terrible idea. anyway i also believe your claim. and i even agree if there is no better target that we lynch jgordon because it would not hurt town (besides the fact that he cant talk or throw in his input).

Secondly, I called Rodion out and he showed up with a couple of insightful posts, as I expected. However, I still think his play style this game is a little off, even if he did say he was trying to change it up. But I won't push that point.

Next, give chuck a break. This is only his second game and this is a lot. Especially with all of the meta crap going on for no reason. He might be scum, I don't know, but I think we have other things to worry about.

Also, I really, really likes SG7's post when he came back into the game. Go check it out again. Something it opened my eyes to was using a vig on jgordon. As / has already mentioned, the tone of the game suggests that there is a likely a mafia busdriver. Using a vig for a NK is a bad idea because with a mafia busdriver, you will essentially give the mafia two kills at night. The one person who brought it up and pushed for it was pmc. As a self proclaimed veteran, he should have known better and also known what he was doing. My thought: he did know. FOS pmc.

the thought about the mafia busdriver is reasonable but is there a chance that there is a town busdriver as well? just a thought. and the thing about the vig if there is one i suggest they lay low till THEY think that he will hit a mafia. if there is a mafia busdriver i suggest not listening to town and to go your own way (this way mafia cant busdrive you) i know that sounds anti town but it really is in the best interest of the town. and yes you seem to be onto something with pmc he did push on that and then get rather queit.


I buy jak's claim because I have no reason not to. He is most likely the doctor. You can't lynch a claimed doctor on Day 1. Silliest thing to do ever. Also, if there is another doctor, please don't counterclaim right now and expose yourself.

My vote will stay on Doom. Yes, I agreed with what you had to say about you fully exposing jak's claim. However, that doesn't mean you can't be pressured. As stated, at that time, I didn't see anyone else compelling and as I am still looking for scum, I went ahead and pressured someone for information, not for a lynch. My vote will stay until you claim. I think it's odd that pmc advocates you not claiming after previously stating that pressuring someone for claiming was good. FOS pmc again.

doom does seem on the scummy side to me but to be honest the way the skimming part of the case was brought up and his reaction seems on the overly defensive side and it is not helping him. but i wont vote for him as i think there is a chance he is town. vote jgordon because do to his claim he is third party and as chuck said\

Tonight I have been able to catch up and I've come to a logical conclusion. A lynch of non-town is good. a survivor is non-town. you claim to be a survivor. therefore a lynch of you is good.

a lynch on you is good. it wont hurt town and it might give us info mation.
Ragian vs dazza: There was nothing wrong with that vote except for the fact that he is voting for someone for being inactive when there are plenty of actual cases and other things going on. I mean, what was the point?

there was no point.

Ok, I don't remember what SPART said right now because I read through 7 pages, but I do remember thinking, 'Thanks for nothing.'

I don't think I have anything else to say right now. What do you think about my comments? About pmc's actions? About how great SG7's post was?

as SG7 is my master i will not dis on him.

P.S. Did I use my FOS's correctly, jgordon?

[jgordon1111]

as a matter of fact yes you did use it correct chap,good reference point to come back to with reasons that you did it.

No not amped up or mad, What I am trying to accomplish is to get everyone in here and play,to read and make choices based on what they themselves think.

@ safari,now that was out of character for you,way out and no I dont think you will get lynched as you well know,you calculated the risk and know the odds are you wont be,but it does try and make you look more townish. A claim would have been a better gambit if you were really serious though.

As for chuck I think he might have just got unlucky,still got to watch him though.

Doom very bad scum vibes from you.

And I gave a scenario of my own on vigging,but at the end I said to many things can go wrong a busdriver in the game could be one of them.

Dont be fooled a lynch is better than a vig.

[Some7hingCLEVER]

as a matter of fact yes you did use it correct chap,good reference point to come back to with reasons that you did it.

No not amped up or mad, What I am trying to accomplish is to get everyone in here and play,to read and make choices based on what they themselves think.

i know you want people to do that but you really have no influence unless you start pressure. if you dont pressure they wont care that you care. so instead of saying it fiind an inactive and pressure him. i guarantee they show their faces so they save their ass.

@ safari,now that was out of character for you,way out and no I dont think you will get lynched as you well know,you calculated the risk and know the odds are you wont be,but it does try and make you look more townish. A claim would have been a better gambit if you were really serious though.

what he is doing makes him look townish just like typing this and then sneaking this in there? you said a few things a town would say and then you sneak in something scum would say. doesnt seem right
As for chuck I think he might have just got unlucky,still got to watch him though.

unlucky for being busy? i was busy too but it wasnt luck it was just...well cause i got busy end of story..no luck involved.Doom very bad scum vibes from you.

And I gave a scenario of my own on vigging,but at the end I said to many things can go wrong a busdriver in the game could be one of them.

Dont be fooled a lynch is better than a vig.

ya we all know that i dont know who said otherwise maybe i just missed it but i agree that lynching someone is better (besides the fact that we would get flavor from the night scene)

[dazza2008]

I also thought Vigging the survivor made sense but the more I think of it lynching is the better option in case the scum do have a busdriver or something.

I still think we should try and find a scumbag before lynching the survivor though.

[new guy1]

I also thought Vigging the survivor made sense but the more I think of it lynching is the better option in case the scum do have a busdriver or something.

I still think we should try and find a scumbag before lynching the survivor though.

Oh hey, someone else agrees with me. We have 3 days, JG is close to a lynch (dont know this for a fact, I just see alot of votes for him and not alot of unvotes) and so if there is no better case nearing the deadline, it will be easy to hammer him if nesessary. But until then, why not try to get as much information as possible.

[Some7hingCLEVER]

I also thought Vigging the survivor made sense but the more I think of it lynching is the better option in case the scum do have a busdriver or something.

I still think we should try and find a scumbag before lynching the survivor though.

Oh hey, someone else agrees with me. We have 3 days, JG is close to a lynch (dont know this for a fact, I just see alot of votes for him and not alot of unvotes) and so if there is no better case nearing the deadline, it will be easy to hammer him if nesessary. But until then, why not try to get as much information as possible.

what other info do you plan to get out of him? its day one its not like he has learned anything about the people.

[new guy1]

Well we could start with you clever, since you seem to be against getting more information. Whats wrong with dragging the day out so long as we can look for a slip up?

[dazza2008]

I also thought Vigging the survivor made sense but the more I think of it lynching is the better option in case the scum do have a busdriver or something.

I still think we should try and find a scumbag before lynching the survivor though.

Oh hey, someone else agrees with me. We have 3 days, JG is close to a lynch (dont know this for a fact, I just see alot of votes for him and not alot of unvotes) and so if there is no better case nearing the deadline, it will be easy to hammer him if nesessary. But until then, why not try to get as much information as possible.

what other info do you plan to get out of him? its day one its not like he has learned anything about the people.

Not info out of him just info out of someone if we can. Lynching mafia is the best case so we should be trying that and only lynch JG if we find nothing better.

Info is good for town and a scummy may slip up. I see no point in rushing the day by lynching a survivor. That should be done at deadline if we have nothing better.

[Some7hingCLEVER]

I also thought Vigging the survivor made sense but the more I think of it lynching is the better option in case the scum do have a busdriver or something.

I still think we should try and find a scumbag before lynching the survivor though.

Oh hey, someone else agrees with me. We have 3 days, JG is close to a lynch (dont know this for a fact, I just see alot of votes for him and not alot of unvotes) and so if there is no better case nearing the deadline, it will be easy to hammer him if nesessary. But until then, why not try to get as much information as possible.

what other info do you plan to get out of him? its day one its not like he has learned anything about the people.

Not info out of him just info out of someone if we can. Lynching mafia is the best case so we should be trying that and only lynch JG if we find nothing better.

Info is good for town and a scummy may slip up. I see no point in rushing the day by lynching a survivor. That should be done at deadline if we have nothing better.

ok sorry i just misunderstood what he meant thanks for the clarification

[ghostly447]

Okay guys, I am at school but I will go ahead and inform you of what I will be doing for this game today:

I will get an accurate VC (maybe try out SG7's system, I may need his help learning it but havent yet looked into it.
I will EXTEND the deadline because there was a relatively long Joke Vote stage. I will update you on that this afternoon so no one is pressured to vote so soon.

Adam

[DoomYoshi]

This would be amazing jester play. I don't trust it though.

And you keep trying to put down what I say is of no import doom, There is a reason I FOS'ed You as well.


I am talking from a outside view here I am neither town nor mafia,I knew I was done when I tried to draw attention away from the Doc.

But Doom every action you have taken this game is pure anti town in every sense. Starting with your complete outing of the doc and trying for an fos or lynch on him.

I knew I was done and am trying to get everyone involved in the game yet you say I am a jester.



You seem to prefer players skimming and blindly following a consensus that could be leading them all wrong, why would you want that?

You know my claim is legit quit trying to downplay what the others need to do for town to win,unless you have an ulterior motive for this.

I am not saying that your words are of no import jgordon. They just make no sense. If I was a survivor, I would do everything in my power to not be lynched.

There is a major problem in what you are saying. Part 1 is that you outed yourself to protect the town doctor. Now, this sends a very clear message that you don't care about winning the game. And if you don't care about winning the game, you are not useful to town as a town player and you are no useful to mafia as a mafia player.

I don't prefer players skimming, I am just aware that it happens. Where is there evidence that I prefer players to follow a consensus? Is that evidenced by the fact that I tore into our claimed doctor?

Also, new guy, information is good, but you need to watch that it doesn't turn into a mantra. The utmost information is gained from a massclaim. Now, ghost is pretty new as a mod and may not have built in a safety net against a massclaim, but I think we owe him more respect than that. We have already seen the downside to getting information. We have outed a power role. We have also seen the upside in that we have outed scum. There is no formula for how many claims to get in a day, but you need to watch that you don't always try to extend days as long as possible. For one thing, it makes people grow weary of arguments. In this case you are probably right though.

unvote

[new guy1]

I must say, I see why people are voting gordon because he is a survivor, therefore not useful to town (in a way, execept for the insight he can give AKA his opinions) but I dont see why people are voting him because they think it is a fake claim. The name matches perfectly with the role, that is the survivor is from the same country and is a literal survivor. Therefore, I believe his claim, and because he can give information on who he believes to be scum, I do not support his lynch. At this point, lynching him would just take away information and another body that the scum could aim at.

[safariguy5]

as a matter of fact yes you did use it correct chap,good reference point to come back to with reasons that you did it.

No not amped up or mad, What I am trying to accomplish is to get everyone in here and play,to read and make choices based on what they themselves think.

@ safari,now that was out of character for you,way out and no I dont think you will get lynched as you well know,you calculated the risk and know the odds are you wont be,but it does try and make you look more townish. A claim would have been a better gambit if you were really serious though.

As for chuck I think he might have just got unlucky,still got to watch him though.

Doom very bad scum vibes from you.

And I gave a scenario of my own on vigging,but at the end I said to many things can go wrong a busdriver in the game could be one of them.

Dont be fooled a lynch is better than a vig.

What exactly does this paragraph mean to me? Allow me to explain.

"Hey safari, cool story bro, nice way to act townish but I still think you're scum. Why not claim needlessly so we can give mafia even more information."

If you think I'm scum jgordon, vote or FOS me. Show me exactly where you think I made a scumslip. You keep talking about playing things your way and how none of us know what we're doing. It's a lot easier to play the martyr and say "Oh well town doesn't know what they're doing". But I'm not about to claim just because you think it's some gambit because it isn't. I'm just tired of reading your posts and seeing every other line accusing half of us of skimming or being clueless or arrogant or whatever. I don't need to to come into the mafia forums and get this passive-aggressive bullshit. f*ck the win conditions, I'd rather die so I don't have to read another post questioning my intelligence.