PKMN Chap 2: Day 6(5/18)

[Some7hingCLEVER]

like has been said by me and others, i have answered all the questions as good as i could. i'm not hiding anything but you're just being stubborn.

i know i probably overdid it a bit on the freezie case which raised suspicion a little but i explained my reasons as well.

ya you did overdo it but if you honestly thought there was a case there then there is no reason not to but anyway im done with that case lol

[strike wolf]

This thread i frustrating. Read back through. If anything the Jonty case is probably the best case that's been previously presented don't feel like restating anything that's been said but will have something to add at the end of the post. Couple of new players acting a bit suspicious but well within range of newbie behavior. blah blah blah. blah blah blah. The Zimmah thing's been milked so much that the cow's producing sand. Not sure I really buy PMC's going against the grain argument as his posts seemed to shift from defending Zimmah and going against Freezie to questioning Zimmah before attention was shifted elsewhere. Fircoal hasn't posted since towards the start of the Zimmah case (though to be fair it looks like he was gone for most of the last week). A few people who seem to be trying to blend in with the crowd (shield and some7hingclever included).

On top of Jonty's previous cases this post just looks like easy bandwagon hopping:

PMC case is much better than the zimmah case unvote vote pmc

EBWOP

I'll go ahead and vote jonty

[strike wolf]

This thread i frustrating. Read back through. If anything the Jonty case is probably the best case that's been previously presented don't feel like restating anything that's been said but will have something to add at the end of the post. Couple of new players acting a bit suspicious but well within range of newbie behavior. blah blah blah. blah blah blah. The Zimmah thing's been milked so much that the cow's producing sand. Not sure I really buy PMC's going against the grain argument as his posts seemed to shift from defending Zimmah and going against Freezie to questioning Zimmah before attention was shifted elsewhere. Fircoal hasn't posted since towards the start of the Zimmah case (though to be fair it looks like he was gone for most of the last week). A few people who seem to be trying to blend in with the crowd (shield and some7hingclever included).

On top of Jonty's previous cases this post just looks like easy bandwagon hopping:

PMC case is much better than the zimmah case unvote vote pmc

EBWOP

I'll go ahead and vote jonty

ebwop: Sorry if this post seems jumbled. I hit submit instead of preview...

[Some7hingCLEVER]

This thread i frustrating. Read back through. If anything the Jonty case is probably the best case that's been previously presented don't feel like restating anything that's been said but will have something to add at the end of the post. Couple of new players acting a bit suspicious but well within range of newbie behavior. blah blah blah. blah blah blah. The Zimmah thing's been milked so much that the cow's producing sand. Not sure I really buy PMC's going against the grain argument as his posts seemed to shift from defending Zimmah and going against Freezie to questioning Zimmah before attention was shifted elsewhere. Fircoal hasn't posted since towards the start of the Zimmah case (though to be fair it looks like he was gone for most of the last week). A few people who seem to be trying to blend in with the crowd (shield and some7hingclever included).

On top of Jonty's previous cases this post just looks like easy bandwagon hopping:

PMC case is much better than the zimmah case unvote vote pmc

EBWOP

I'll go ahead and vote jonty

ebwop: Sorry if this post seems jumbled. I hit submit instead of preview...

can i ask why i seem to be trying to blend in with the crowd?

[strike wolf]

This thread i frustrating. Read back through. If anything the Jonty case is probably the best case that's been previously presented don't feel like restating anything that's been said but will have something to add at the end of the post. Couple of new players acting a bit suspicious but well within range of newbie behavior. blah blah blah. blah blah blah. The Zimmah thing's been milked so much that the cow's producing sand. Not sure I really buy PMC's going against the grain argument as his posts seemed to shift from defending Zimmah and going against Freezie to questioning Zimmah before attention was shifted elsewhere. Fircoal hasn't posted since towards the start of the Zimmah case (though to be fair it looks like he was gone for most of the last week). A few people who seem to be trying to blend in with the crowd (shield and some7hingclever included).

On top of Jonty's previous cases this post just looks like easy bandwagon hopping:

PMC case is much better than the zimmah case unvote vote pmc

EBWOP

I'll go ahead and vote jonty

ebwop: Sorry if this post seems jumbled. I hit submit instead of preview...

can i ask why i seem to be trying to blend in with the crowd?

Mainly that you seem to follow the bandwagon.

[shieldgenerator7]

Yeah and how am I trying to blend in?! I always thought I stuck out like a sore thumb (no offense thumb)

[freezie]

Lets be honest, anyone casting suspicion on me is doing so purely because they don't like what I am saying.. not because they actually think I am mafia.

I'll challenge you to back these words:

Unvote

Vote: PMC

Let's be honest, you're not helping the town by telling everyone who doesn't want to hear about it that you don't like what Zimmah has been saying. He has used poor logic, yes, but everyone has agreed that he doesn't appear scummy. You're trying to make a case that nobody wants to lynch for, and keep on doing it because Zimmah '' hasn't answered your question'' when in fact, from my view, he has. More than once.

You know I can't back that up with solid evidence but it is still pretty clear there was a growing aggression against me and others still on the zimmah case. I could have reasonably bet that I would be voted sooner or later by those criticizing the case.

Now please quote where Zimmah states his opinion on whether you are mafia or not, on whether he believes it was a joke. Quote it from "several" different posts please.

Ask and you'Ll receive. With added bonus to your case, outside of the question/answer useless thing:

i never said i believed the joke

I may have misread this, please clarify. Did you mean, "I never believed he was joking" or "I never believed what he was saying was genuinely true"?

I beleive this is your question, and to be honest, the answer is what you quoted. He never beleived the joke. Fuirther Proofs:

note how i said that knew it was SUPPOSED TO BE (=LOOK LIKE) A joke, but I DO NOT BELIEVE it was ACTUALLY a joke. i never said that i didn't read it well enough and i never appaired to skim. if you truly believe i skimmed, you're the one skimming, as if you'd take the time to actually read what i said, it'd be obvious that i did my research. just because we don't agree doesn't mean i didn't read everything.

ok this whole thing is just so annoying to read! it was a joke cant we all just get the joke and move on with the dang game??!?

You got something better to talk about? Zimmah overreacting implies skimming, skimming implies scum. Ergo Zimmah implies scum.

you're the one skimming, i was aware it's supposedto be a joke, but i'm not buying it.

As far as wether he thinks I am mafia or not, he clearly said I'd use that miller claim as a cover...So he did imply he thought I was scum. Albeit fort illogical reasons. So, for one last time, stop beating the dead horse ( To re-use you Americans' words )

Oh yea, the added bonus to your case:

so just because you say i should retract my vote i should? no way, i retract my vote whenever i feel the need, and that is not now.

f*ck the vote, it doesn't matter. The point is you still insist he wasn't joking.

That's your words, right? You say, and understand, that Zimmah insist on saying I wasn't joking. Meaning, he didn't beleive the joke. YOU answered the question you asked to him, before you questionned it.

[Some7hingCLEVER]

This thread i frustrating. Read back through. If anything the Jonty case is probably the best case that's been previously presented don't feel like restating anything that's been said but will have something to add at the end of the post. Couple of new players acting a bit suspicious but well within range of newbie behavior. blah blah blah. blah blah blah. The Zimmah thing's been milked so much that the cow's producing sand. Not sure I really buy PMC's going against the grain argument as his posts seemed to shift from defending Zimmah and going against Freezie to questioning Zimmah before attention was shifted elsewhere. Fircoal hasn't posted since towards the start of the Zimmah case (though to be fair it looks like he was gone for most of the last week). A few people who seem to be trying to blend in with the crowd (shield and some7hingclever included).

On top of Jonty's previous cases this post just looks like easy bandwagon hopping:

PMC case is much better than the zimmah case unvote vote pmc

EBWOP

I'll go ahead and vote jonty

ebwop: Sorry if this post seems jumbled. I hit submit instead of preview...

can i ask why i seem to be trying to blend in with the crowd?

Mainly that you seem to follow the bandwagon.

oh ok thats kinda how i am especially when there is nothing better to do and its day 1

[Victor Sullivan]

Yeah and how am I trying to blend in?! I always thought I stuck out like a sore thumb (no offense thumb)

Yeah, I have a habit of sticking out like a thore sumb, too. Probably why mafia tends to keep me around

-Sully

[jonty125]

On top of Jonty's previous cases this post just looks like easy bandwagon hopping:

I was voting for the better case; the one with the most scumtells.

[pmchugh]

Lets be honest, anyone casting suspicion on me is doing so purely because they don't like what I am saying.. not because they actually think I am mafia.

I'll challenge you to back these words:

Unvote

Vote: PMC

Let's be honest, you're not helping the town by telling everyone who doesn't want to hear about it that you don't like what Zimmah has been saying. He has used poor logic, yes, but everyone has agreed that he doesn't appear scummy. You're trying to make a case that nobody wants to lynch for, and keep on doing it because Zimmah '' hasn't answered your question'' when in fact, from my view, he has. More than once.

You know I can't back that up with solid evidence but it is still pretty clear there was a growing aggression against me and others still on the zimmah case. I could have reasonably bet that I would be voted sooner or later by those criticizing the case.

Now please quote where Zimmah states his opinion on whether you are mafia or not, on whether he believes it was a joke. Quote it from "several" different posts please.

Ask and you'Ll receive. With added bonus to your case, outside of the question/answer useless thing:

i never said i believed the joke

I may have misread this, please clarify. Did you mean, "I never believed he was joking" or "I never believed what he was saying was genuinely true"?

I beleive this is your question, and to be honest, the answer is what you quoted. He never beleived the joke. Fuirther Proofs:

note how i said that knew it was SUPPOSED TO BE (=LOOK LIKE) A joke, but I DO NOT BELIEVE it was ACTUALLY a joke. i never said that i didn't read it well enough and i never appaired to skim. if you truly believe i skimmed, you're the one skimming, as if you'd take the time to actually read what i said, it'd be obvious that i did my research. just because we don't agree doesn't mean i didn't read everything.

ok this whole thing is just so annoying to read! it was a joke cant we all just get the joke and move on with the dang game??!?

You got something better to talk about? Zimmah overreacting implies skimming, skimming implies scum. Ergo Zimmah implies scum.

you're the one skimming, i was aware it's supposedto be a joke, but i'm not buying it.

As far as wether he thinks I am mafia or not, he clearly said I'd use that miller claim as a cover...So he did imply he thought I was scum. Albeit fort illogical reasons. So, for one last time, stop beating the dead horse ( To re-use you Americans' words )

Oh yea, the added bonus to your case:

so just because you say i should retract my vote i should? no way, i retract my vote whenever i feel the need, and that is not now.

f*ck the vote, it doesn't matter. The point is you still insist he wasn't joking.

That's your words, right? You say, and understand, that Zimmah insist on saying I wasn't joking. Meaning, he didn't beleive the joke. YOU answered the question you asked to him, before you questionned it.

There is a difference in time lines. Zimmah created a case and voted you, does that mean he still suspects you now? No not at all, especially in the light of him posting things like:

it's day 1 get real, how much chance we actually have to really find scum in the first place?

In fact I think he has finally answered the question on whether you are mafia as, "I don't know" rather than yes as you seem to suggest is obvious. What he had previously is different to what he thinks now and that is exactly what I wanted to establish. (correct me if i'm wrong zimmah)

He created a case, someone called him bull headed and I wanted to know if after all that time he was indeed holding on to the same opinions. I see nothing wrong with this.

[DoomYoshi]

Ok, Tuesday Night Prodding coming up tonight. Potential Candidates:

Tails
Iron Butterfly
Haggis
eldario
Fircoal

Vote Count
Haggis (0) -
strike (1) - Fircoal
freezie (0) -
[b]pmchugh (7) - zimmah, pancake, kratos, clever, freezie, jonty, shield L-3/b]
jonty (1) - haggis
shield (0) -
nag (0) -
zimmah(1) - Victor
clever (0) -
edocsil (0) -
Tails (0) -
Victor (0) -

With 18 alive, it takes 10 to lynch.
Deadline is Friday the 13th.
THREE DAYS AWAY!

[nagerous]

Pmchugh can you not concede that the majority of the town had been bored of this discussion and yet you continued to push zimmah and continue on an un-necessary debate thus creating stagnation in the game and frustrating the other members? I think the frustration you caused is indicative in the current vote count.

Since you currently are the bandwagon du jour, please give me 3 short concise reasons why I shouldn't vote you.

[DoomYoshi]

Replacement for crazymilkshake found. Possible replacement for Fircoal found (unless he wants to continue playing). Further information will come soon.

Since activity on the whole has picked up, and there are new players coming in, I can extend the deadline to Friday April 20. That will be the only extension though.

[Rodion]

Hello!

I'm replacing Milkshake.

I'll post when I catch up.

[Some7hingCLEVER]

Hello!

I'm replacing Milkshake.

I'll post when I catch up.

sweet its about time

[Iron Butterfly]

Pmchugh can you not concede that the majority of the town had been bored of this discussion and yet you continued to push zimmah and continue on an un-necessary debate thus creating stagnation in the game and frustrating the other members? I think the frustration you caused is indicative in the current vote count.

Since you currently are the bandwagon du jour, please give me 3 short concise reasons why I shouldn't vote you.

I am curious how 3 short concise reasons will make you think otherwise. What three things can he say that would make you remove suspicion? He cant come out and say "Im really Town so if you hang me it will be a mistake."

Sorry for not posting. I wont make excuses..ok I will... I just feel folks have been chasing shadows. I have found it hard getting involved in the Zimma/Freezie circle of life. Though It looks to be dieing down it has been a bit tedious.

[nagerous]

Pmchugh can you not concede that the majority of the town had been bored of this discussion and yet you continued to push zimmah and continue on an un-necessary debate thus creating stagnation in the game and frustrating the other members? I think the frustration you caused is indicative in the current vote count.

Since you currently are the bandwagon du jour, please give me 3 short concise reasons why I shouldn't vote you.

I am curious how 3 short concise reasons will make you think otherwise. What three things can he say that would make you remove suspicion? He cant come out and say "Im really Town so if you hang me it will be a mistake."

Sorry for not posting. I wont make excuses..ok I will... I just feel folks have been chasing shadows. I have found it hard getting involved in the Zimma/Freezie circle of life. Though It looks to be dieing down it has been a bit tedious.

I just want to cut out all the bullshit large quote pyramids and give pmchugh the opportunity to post a streamlined defence. I don't necessarily think it will alter my opinion in any way, but I am just trying to increase my involvement ultimately at this stage and by proposing this to pmchugh seems the best way right now.

[strike wolf]

Yeah and how am I trying to blend in?! I always thought I stuck out like a sore thumb (no offense thumb)

I never said you were succeeding...

Basically bandwagoning a couple of cases. making the safe "I think Zimmah's town his action was scummy but I think he's town though I'll vote if I need to" etc.

On top of Jonty's previous cases this post just looks like easy bandwagon hopping:

I was voting for the better case; the one with the most scumtells.

And what would you have to say to the fact that the main argument against PMC was also a major part on the case that had been made against you? Namely "beating a dead horse" with the whole Zimmah case.

[shieldgenerator7]

VOTE RODION WELCOME TO -the- GAME!

Now serious face UNVOTE VOTE PMC

Now put on shades...

-SG7 ( )

[Some7hingCLEVER]

VOTE RODION WELCOME TO -the- GAME!

Now serious face UNVOTE VOTE PMC

Now put on shades...

-SG7 ( )

omg i pissed my pants when i saw this...omg im crying lol holly shit thats funny

[pmchugh]

Pmchugh can you not concede that the majority of the town had been bored of this discussion and yet you continued to push zimmah and continue on an un-necessary debate thus creating stagnation in the game and frustrating the other members? I think the frustration you caused is indicative in the current vote count.

Since you currently are the bandwagon du jour, please give me 3 short concise reasons why I shouldn't vote you.

I am very aware that that is why I am being voted (underlined), causing frustration =/= scum and you all know this. In fact the more emotionally hyped someone is then the more they are likely to come out and say things.

If you can provide three concise reasons as to why I am scum I will be happy to give three concise answers as to why you are wrong. I can't say anything to prove myself innocent if I have nothing to reply to.

@Freezie if you wanted proof people were going after me cause they don't like what I was saying as opposed to me actually being mafia, then just read this post. It actually makes me considerably suspicious of nag, I would expect him to have much more sense. FOS nag

[shieldgenerator7]

I know what you mean PMC. I get highly suspicious of nag and edoc when all they do is post one-liners. It seems to me that they do that as a subconscious habit or clever tactic when they're scum. But that's meta-gaming for you.

I want to hear three reasons why nag suspects you, and have reasons of my own, but I've already posted them/will not repost them until nag answers.

BTW PMC you're still on my scum list.

-SG7 ( )

[nagerous]

I know what you mean PMC. I get highly suspicious of nag and edoc when all they do is post one-liners. It seems to me that they do that as a subconscious habit or clever tactic when they're scum. But that's meta-gaming for you.

I want to hear three reasons why nag suspects you, and have reasons of my own, but I've already posted them/will not repost them until nag answers.

BTW PMC you're still on my scum list.

-SG7 ( )

Where did I say I suspected pmc?

[nagerous]

and yes I realise that it is a one-line response, it is intentional irony..