PKMN Chap 2: Day 6(5/18)

[pmchugh]

Why? Why is it remotely important that I keep the pressure on zimmah (every other play in the game seems to be doing a fair job of that) and why is it important to note that I did it?

Thought I had responded here already, perhaps the net ate my answer.

Anyhow, I have grave suspicions of zimmah at this point and if he flips scum you would be next on my list. Your action reduces pressure like I said, so I could easily see this as an attempt to protect a scumbuddy. SG7 is an easy d1 lynch if you decided to push it, and something I believe you would have no issue orchestrating to keep you hypothetical scumbuddy alive. However, none of this has any merit if zimmah is not scum, hence my only desiring the action to be noted, rather then calling you out for being scummy. If I were to die n1 and zimmah were to be scum I would want someone to be easily able to remember that moment.

Shield may be an easy lynch but zimmah is the easiest lynch. It is easy to agree with everyone, it is easy to pick out the flaws in his logic, it is easy to lynch the first guy who says something which doesn't quite add up, it is easy to blend in with the crowd.. it is difficult to change the focus and if you were his partner not only is it difficult but it is also risky.

The entire point of noting this is that you are "gravely" suspicious of zimmah. I would like you to formalise and summarise this argument. I think you may have points but so far no one as said what exactly makes him mafia.

ok this whole thing is just so annoying to read! it was a joke cant we all just get the joke and move on with the dang game??!?

You got something better to talk about? Zimmah overreacting implies skimming, skimming implies scum. Ergo Zimmah implies scum.

This is pretty poor. For a start, Zimmah's continued along the same lines clearly implying he was not skimming. Over reacting does not imply skimming, and if you were skimming and overreacting that wouldn't imply scum.

[Victor Sullivan]

I think we can pretty much chop this day down to lynching zimmah. For Day 1, I'm down with it. I'm tired of Day 1 no lynches!

-Sully

[zimmah]

note how i said that knew it was SUPPOSED TO BE (=LOOK LIKE) A joke, but I DO NOT BELIEVE it was ACTUALLY a joke. i never said that i didn't read it well enough and i never appaired to skim. if you truly believe i skimmed, you're the one skimming, as if you'd take the time to actually read what i said, it'd be obvious that i did my research. just because we don't agree doesn't mean i didn't read everything.

So, you know it's supposed to be a joke ( the miller claim ) but you don't beleive I was really joking about my claim. So, you beleive I am really a miller. So you're voting me for beleive my town role?

I know, that's twisting your words, as you wouldn't beleive a miller claim. Nor would I. But really, I know better than to claim miller as mafia, especially on day 1. As everyone pointed out, spearow--town miller, was my role in the first pokemon game, and the very first post I did was to burst down the joke phase by claiming it ( rightfully )

No, I did not really claim here. But the way you're going at me...I don't think you're scum¸. That'd be such a hugely risky and stupid move. Maybe lyncher? That'd make more sense.

However beleive I actually claimed miller as scum to hide it on day 1 with a small jokewagon on me is..Illogical at best.

yes but you may just do all of this to create a clever cover for later in the game and hide behind it. and i'm not going to allow that to happen that easily.

You are over-reacting ridiculously. I don't necessarily think your behaviour is scummy but it is certainly one-track minded and is not going to help us catch scum at this moment in time.

it's day 1 get real, how much chance we actually have to really find scum in the first place?

[DoomYoshi]

Vote Count
Haggis (1) - pcm
strike (1) - Fircoal
freezie (1) - zimmah
jonty (1) - , cm5
shield (2) - kratos, pmchugh
nag (1) - strike
zimmah(3) - Victor, edoc, jonty
clever (1) - freezie

With 18 alive, it takes 10 to lynch.
No deadline set.

[shieldgenerator7]

^^hey, for once I'm not on the chopping block!

Getting a little anxious, are we VS?

[crazymilkshake5]

I think we can pretty much chop this day down to lynching zimmah. For Day 1, I'm down with it. I'm tired of Day 1 no lynches!

-Sully

I can agree with the NL's on day one part, pretty annoying, but i aint quite ready to lynch zimmah yet....

[strike wolf]

I think we can pretty much chop this day down to lynching zimmah. For Day 1, I'm down with it. I'm tired of Day 1 no lynches!

-Sully

No deadline yet so we have time to talk it out.

So, you know it's supposed to be a joke ( the miller claim ) but you don't beleive I was really joking about my claim. So, you beleive I am really a miller. So you're voting me for beleive my town role?

I know, that's twisting your words, as you wouldn't beleive a miller claim. Nor would I. But really, I know better than to claim miller as mafia, especially on day 1. As everyone pointed out, spearow--town miller, was my role in the first pokemon game, and the very first post I did was to burst down the joke phase by claiming it ( rightfully )

No, I did not really claim here. But the way you're going at me...I don't think you're scum¸. That'd be such a hugely risky and stupid move. Maybe lyncher? That'd make more sense.

However beleive I actually claimed miller as scum to hide it on day 1 with a small jokewagon on me is..Illogical at best.

yes but you may just do all of this to create a clever cover for later in the game and hide behind it. and i'm not going to allow that to happen that easily.

You are over-reacting ridiculously. I don't necessarily think your behaviour is scummy but it is certainly one-track minded and is not going to help us catch scum at this moment in time.

it's day 1 get real, how much chance we actually have to really find scum in the first place?

Definitely not if we don't question leads.

Anyways, I'm not quite ready to vote anyone yet but my vote is still on my joke vote so I'm going ahead to unvote

[freezie]

I said it before, I don't think Zimmah is scum for doing this reckless assault...It feels MUCH more like a lyncher, really.

Personally, I would prefer trying to lynch a potential scum on day 1 ( even if the chances are low ) than lynch someone who's eiter town or 3rd...I say it again..I doubt zimmah would launch an all out attack for nearly no reason on someone on day 1 if he was scum.

So let me re-read again and see if I can't find something better..But if the worst come to worst, I would still vote zimmah off if we can't get anything else later on.

[edocsil]

I said it before, I don't think Zimmah is scum for doing this reckless assault...It feels MUCH more like a lyncher, really.

Personally, I would prefer trying to lynch a potential scum on day 1 ( even if the chances are low ) than lynch someone who's eiter town or 3rd...I say it again..I doubt zimmah would launch an all out attack for nearly no reason on someone on day 1 if he was scum.

So let me re-read again and see if I can't find something better..But if the worst come to worst, I would still vote zimmah off if we can't get anything else later on.

I can think of all sorts of WIFOMy situations that a scum (especially an inno) would want to be aggressive. I have spent as much time as I can afford looking for another target, but he is the only i can discern.

[freezie]

I said it before, I don't think Zimmah is scum for doing this reckless assault...It feels MUCH more like a lyncher, really.

Personally, I would prefer trying to lynch a potential scum on day 1 ( even if the chances are low ) than lynch someone who's eiter town or 3rd...I say it again..I doubt zimmah would launch an all out attack for nearly no reason on someone on day 1 if he was scum.

So let me re-read again and see if I can't find something better..But if the worst come to worst, I would still vote zimmah off if we can't get anything else later on.

I can think of all sorts of WIFOMy situations that a scum (especially an inno) would want to be aggressive. I have spent as much time as I can afford looking for another target, but he is the only i can discern.

Well, it could be a clever wifom ( I wouldn't do it as scum so I am town ) but discussing a possibly wifom is wifomy in it's own....Great, another braincell burnt.

The only other thing I can and shall point out ( beside Shield's ususal scummy day 1 behaviour ) Is VS trying to get a fast lynch as...fast...as possible. VS, why the rush?

[jonty125]

it's day 1 get real, how much chance we actually have to really find scum in the first place?

Are you suggesting we no lynch, when we have a half-decent case for D1 (yourself)

[pmchugh]

it's day 1 get real, how much chance we actually have to really find scum in the first place?

The odds aren't actually all that bad and regardless of whether you do find them, the process of attempting to find them is very useful for later days. You are giving off the strangest vibe, I can't put my finger on what it is at the moment.

I think we can pretty much chop this day down to lynching zimmah. For Day 1, I'm down with it. I'm tired of Day 1 no lynches!

-Sully

So you want to lynch just for the sake of it? Should we just lynch you then instead?

[pmchugh]

it's day 1 get real, how much chance we actually have to really find scum in the first place?

The odds aren't actually all that bad and regardless of whether you do find them, the process of attempting to find them is very useful for later days. You are giving off the strangest vibe, I can't put my finger on what it is at the moment.

I think we can pretty much chop this day down to lynching zimmah. For Day 1, I'm down with it. I'm tired of Day 1 no lynches!

-Sully

So you want to lynch just for the sake of it? Should we just lynch you then instead?

[Victor Sullivan]

Excuse my impatience, but I'm not so sure talking about it more will get us much of anywhere unless someone claims. If we lynch anyone Day 1, it's essentially for the sake of lynching anyway, as Day 1 cases are always weak - zimmah's tactics could be scummy, they could be a mistake or the result of a hard-headed townie or something - no one really knows. I think everyone's been arguing just for the sake of arguing.

And freezie, come on, I am 99% sure we are not dealing with a lyncher. Everyone suspects lynchers in games, but lynchers are rare (and generally not that stupid).

-Sully

[edocsil]

Why? Why is it remotely important that I keep the pressure on zimmah (every other play in the game seems to be doing a fair job of that) and why is it important to note that I did it?

Thought I had responded here already, perhaps the net ate my answer.

Anyhow, I have grave suspicions of zimmah at this point and if he flips scum you would be next on my list. Your action reduces pressure like I said, so I could easily see this as an attempt to protect a scumbuddy. SG7 is an easy d1 lynch if you decided to push it, and something I believe you would have no issue orchestrating to keep you hypothetical scumbuddy alive. However, none of this has any merit if zimmah is not scum, hence my only desiring the action to be noted, rather then calling you out for being scummy. If I were to die n1 and zimmah were to be scum I would want someone to be easily able to remember that moment.

Shield may be an easy lynch but zimmah is the easiest lynch. It is easy to agree with everyone, it is easy to pick out the flaws in his logic, it is easy to lynch the first guy who says something which doesn't quite add up, it is easy to blend in with the crowd.. it is difficult to change the focus and if you were his partner not only is it difficult but it is also risky.

The entire point of noting this is that you are "gravely" suspicious of zimmah. I would like you to formalise and summarise this argument. I think you may have points but so far no one as said what exactly makes him mafia.

ok this whole thing is just so annoying to read! it was a joke cant we all just get the joke and move on with the dang game??!?

You got something better to talk about? Zimmah overreacting implies skimming, skimming implies scum. Ergo Zimmah implies scum.

This is pretty poor. For a start, Zimmah's continued along the same lines clearly implying he was not skimming. Over reacting does not imply skimming, and if you were skimming and overreacting that wouldn't imply scum.

Not really seeing why this is needed pmc but here is the short version. Zimmah did one of two things.

A. Failed basic reading comprehension of a joke due to skimming/otherwise not paying attention.

B. Over reacted in incredibly gross manner for little reason. He is better then this.

Either one of those two things is better then most d1 cases, and both would be quite out of character for zimmah, so I really don't get why you are giving me grief about it.

[zimmah]

Why? Why is it remotely important that I keep the pressure on zimmah (every other play in the game seems to be doing a fair job of that) and why is it important to note that I did it?

Thought I had responded here already, perhaps the net ate my answer.

Anyhow, I have grave suspicions of zimmah at this point and if he flips scum you would be next on my list. Your action reduces pressure like I said, so I could easily see this as an attempt to protect a scumbuddy. SG7 is an easy d1 lynch if you decided to push it, and something I believe you would have no issue orchestrating to keep you hypothetical scumbuddy alive. However, none of this has any merit if zimmah is not scum, hence my only desiring the action to be noted, rather then calling you out for being scummy. If I were to die n1 and zimmah were to be scum I would want someone to be easily able to remember that moment.

Shield may be an easy lynch but zimmah is the easiest lynch. It is easy to agree with everyone, it is easy to pick out the flaws in his logic, it is easy to lynch the first guy who says something which doesn't quite add up, it is easy to blend in with the crowd.. it is difficult to change the focus and if you were his partner not only is it difficult but it is also risky.

The entire point of noting this is that you are "gravely" suspicious of zimmah. I would like you to formalise and summarise this argument. I think you may have points but so far no one as said what exactly makes him mafia.

ok this whole thing is just so annoying to read! it was a joke cant we all just get the joke and move on with the dang game??!?

You got something better to talk about? Zimmah overreacting implies skimming, skimming implies scum. Ergo Zimmah implies scum.

This is pretty poor. For a start, Zimmah's continued along the same lines clearly implying he was not skimming. Over reacting does not imply skimming, and if you were skimming and overreacting that wouldn't imply scum.

Not really seeing why this is needed pmc but here is the short version. Zimmah did one of two things.

A. Failed basic reading comprehension of a joke due to skimming/otherwise not paying attention.

B. Over reacted in incredibly gross manner for little reason. He is better then this.

Either one of those two things is better then most d1 cases, and both would be quite out of character for zimmah, so I really don't get why you are giving me grief about it.

C: i just dislike early-game because of lack of info so i create cases out of nothng or don't participate a lot. either way, i get flamed for it.

[pmchugh]

Why? Why is it remotely important that I keep the pressure on zimmah (every other play in the game seems to be doing a fair job of that) and why is it important to note that I did it?

Thought I had responded here already, perhaps the net ate my answer.

Anyhow, I have grave suspicions of zimmah at this point and if he flips scum you would be next on my list. Your action reduces pressure like I said, so I could easily see this as an attempt to protect a scumbuddy. SG7 is an easy d1 lynch if you decided to push it, and something I believe you would have no issue orchestrating to keep you hypothetical scumbuddy alive. However, none of this has any merit if zimmah is not scum, hence my only desiring the action to be noted, rather then calling you out for being scummy. If I were to die n1 and zimmah were to be scum I would want someone to be easily able to remember that moment.

Shield may be an easy lynch but zimmah is the easiest lynch. It is easy to agree with everyone, it is easy to pick out the flaws in his logic, it is easy to lynch the first guy who says something which doesn't quite add up, it is easy to blend in with the crowd.. it is difficult to change the focus and if you were his partner not only is it difficult but it is also risky.

The entire point of noting this is that you are "gravely" suspicious of zimmah. I would like you to formalise and summarise this argument. I think you may have points but so far no one as said what exactly makes him mafia.

ok this whole thing is just so annoying to read! it was a joke cant we all just get the joke and move on with the dang game??!?

You got something better to talk about? Zimmah overreacting implies skimming, skimming implies scum. Ergo Zimmah implies scum.

This is pretty poor. For a start, Zimmah's continued along the same lines clearly implying he was not skimming. Over reacting does not imply skimming, and if you were skimming and overreacting that wouldn't imply scum.

Not really seeing why this is needed pmc but here is the short version. Zimmah did one of two things.

A. Failed basic reading comprehension of a joke due to skimming/otherwise not paying attention.

B. Over reacted in incredibly gross manner for little reason. He is better then this.

Either one of those two things is better then most d1 cases, and both would be quite out of character for zimmah, so I really don't get why you are giving me grief about it.

I'm giving you grief cause people are coasting. Notice that as soon as you actually formalized an accusation zimmah responded? I dislike when people shimmy their way to a lynch without giving real reason.

Zimmah who do you fos? Still freezie? You seem to be just protecting yourself now.

[jonty125]

Why? Why is it remotely important that I keep the pressure on zimmah (every other play in the game seems to be doing a fair job of that) and why is it important to note that I did it?

Thought I had responded here already, perhaps the net ate my answer.

Anyhow, I have grave suspicions of zimmah at this point and if he flips scum you would be next on my list. Your action reduces pressure like I said, so I could easily see this as an attempt to protect a scumbuddy. SG7 is an easy d1 lynch if you decided to push it, and something I believe you would have no issue orchestrating to keep you hypothetical scumbuddy alive. However, none of this has any merit if zimmah is not scum, hence my only desiring the action to be noted, rather then calling you out for being scummy. If I were to die n1 and zimmah were to be scum I would want someone to be easily able to remember that moment.

Shield may be an easy lynch but zimmah is the easiest lynch. It is easy to agree with everyone, it is easy to pick out the flaws in his logic, it is easy to lynch the first guy who says something which doesn't quite add up, it is easy to blend in with the crowd.. it is difficult to change the focus and if you were his partner not only is it difficult but it is also risky.

The entire point of noting this is that you are "gravely" suspicious of zimmah. I would like you to formalise and summarise this argument. I think you may have points but so far no one as said what exactly makes him mafia.

ok this whole thing is just so annoying to read! it was a joke cant we all just get the joke and move on with the dang game??!?

You got something better to talk about? Zimmah overreacting implies skimming, skimming implies scum. Ergo Zimmah implies scum.

This is pretty poor. For a start, Zimmah's continued along the same lines clearly implying he was not skimming. Over reacting does not imply skimming, and if you were skimming and overreacting that wouldn't imply scum.

Not really seeing why this is needed pmc but here is the short version. Zimmah did one of two things.

A. Failed basic reading comprehension of a joke due to skimming/otherwise not paying attention.

B. Over reacted in incredibly gross manner for little reason. He is better then this.

Either one of those two things is better then most d1 cases, and both would be quite out of character for zimmah, so I really don't get why you are giving me grief about it.

I'm giving you grief cause people are coasting. Notice that as soon as you actually formalized an accusation zimmah responded? I dislike when people shimmy their way to a lynch without giving real reason.

Zimmah who do you fos? Still freezie? You seem to be just protecting yourself now.

Do you expect him to just lie down and except the lynch?

[strike wolf]

Thought I had responded here already, perhaps the net ate my answer.

Anyhow, I have grave suspicions of zimmah at this point and if he flips scum you would be next on my list. Your action reduces pressure like I said, so I could easily see this as an attempt to protect a scumbuddy. SG7 is an easy d1 lynch if you decided to push it, and something I believe you would have no issue orchestrating to keep you hypothetical scumbuddy alive. However, none of this has any merit if zimmah is not scum, hence my only desiring the action to be noted, rather then calling you out for being scummy. If I were to die n1 and zimmah were to be scum I would want someone to be easily able to remember that moment.

Shield may be an easy lynch but zimmah is the easiest lynch. It is easy to agree with everyone, it is easy to pick out the flaws in his logic, it is easy to lynch the first guy who says something which doesn't quite add up, it is easy to blend in with the crowd.. it is difficult to change the focus and if you were his partner not only is it difficult but it is also risky.

The entire point of noting this is that you are "gravely" suspicious of zimmah. I would like you to formalise and summarise this argument. I think you may have points but so far no one as said what exactly makes him mafia.

ok this whole thing is just so annoying to read! it was a joke cant we all just get the joke and move on with the dang game??!?

You got something better to talk about? Zimmah overreacting implies skimming, skimming implies scum. Ergo Zimmah implies scum.

This is pretty poor. For a start, Zimmah's continued along the same lines clearly implying he was not skimming. Over reacting does not imply skimming, and if you were skimming and overreacting that wouldn't imply scum.

Not really seeing why this is needed pmc but here is the short version. Zimmah did one of two things.

A. Failed basic reading comprehension of a joke due to skimming/otherwise not paying attention.

B. Over reacted in incredibly gross manner for little reason. He is better then this.

Either one of those two things is better then most d1 cases, and both would be quite out of character for zimmah, so I really don't get why you are giving me grief about it.

I'm going to disagree with this simply because this is not the first time I've seen zimmah make cases that were a bit far fetched. I'll admit that this one seems more illogical than most but this isn't the first time.

[zimmah]

thanks strike

it's quite hard to fos anyone at this point as people are just hiding between the discussion about me and freezie.

[edocsil]

thanks strike

it's quite hard to fos anyone at this point as people are just hiding between the discussion about me and freezie.

Meh, the powers that be disagree with me. Unvote

Just so long as a the freezie case is not pursued either, it is ridiculous.

[zimmah]

thanks strike

it's quite hard to fos anyone at this point as people are just hiding between the discussion about me and freezie.

Meh, the powers that be disagree with me. Unvote

Just so long as a the freezie case is not pursued either, it is ridiculous.

so then now what?

[DoomYoshi]

Prod and vote count coming up tonight.

Tuesday Night Prodding!

[shieldgenerator7]

why waste words when I picture will do?

-SG7 ( )

[shieldgenerator7]

no srsly seriosu post coming tomorrow