Power Role Draft Mafia - Town Wins!

[Some7hingCLEVER]

Lol I know what you mean dazza it also wouldnt be fair to leave his replacement to try to save himself

Fastposted
Agreed thats why I won't vote

[dazza2008]

I'd like to hear Rodion's "update" before we rush to anything.

Me too. That is why I have not voted.

[everywhere116]

The only thing I can think of is if he sent or answered a PM to somebody that he shouldn't have. I don't remember him doing anything in the thread that would warrant his removal.

[pmchugh]

Yeah it doesn't really make sense to me but I am hesitant to criticize him in case I have misread the situation.

I don't think we should lynch him until we have heard from Rodion but if he is replaced then whoever comes in can't really defend himself, so he will probably get lynched anyway. Still don't like lynching people pre-claim, if we have made a mistake and he is town his list of roles may provide insight into the other roles chosen. With doc + bp outed there is less to worry about giving away to maf and more to be gained from drawing the net around the vig/JOAT.

[spiesr]

With doc + bp outed there is less to worry about giving away to maf and more to be gained from drawing the net around the vig/JOAT.

Or alternatively you could say that with the doctor now dead the town's ability to protect those who have their role exposed is diminished. On the other hand, we still have stuff like watcher and busdriver, unless those roles have been taken by the scum.

[pmchugh]

With doc + bp outed there is less to worry about giving away to maf and more to be gained from drawing the net around the vig/JOAT.

Or alternatively you could say that with the doctor now dead the town's ability to protect those who have their role exposed is diminished. On the other hand, we still have stuff like watcher and busdriver, unless those roles have been taken by the scum.

Yes true. In certain circumstances the bus driver can almost be used as a doc or even vig, if you know who to switch. Of course you can't tell anyone who to switch tho, as then the mafia will just hit the other side of the bus.

With watcher + tracker + cop we are bound to have an investigative role out there somewhere. We only have one ML though if mafia have the vig as we suspect.

[freezie]

If you ever need to replace him, I seriously doubt my previous role would have an impact on me re-joining in his place, if anything.

[soundman]

Wow, lot of post in just one day. I was going to place my vote on Ghostly until the current situation came up. I'll hold off until Rodion gets back to us. On another note, I have a feeling that the second kill was a JOAT kill and not a vig kill. If it was a JOAT kill then there should only be one kill tonight unless the vig decides to shoot someone.

[alt1978]

I find myself in the same boat as soundman. Lots of reading...highly suspicious of ghostly...but wanting to hear from him or the mod for some kind of clarification.

[spiesr]

Wow, lot of post in just one day. I was going to place my vote on Ghostly until the current situation came up. I'll hold off until Rodion gets back to us. On another note, I have a feeling that the second kill was a JOAT kill and not a vig kill. If it was a JOAT kill then there should only be one kill tonight unless the vig decides to shoot someone.

Unless you are the vig (or JOAT, or scum) I don't know how you can reach that conclusion.

[ghostly447]

Okay guys, Rodion has heard me out, I will come back. Let me explain and try not to mess any games up (it was my exact concern).

I said I have seen Mafia throw Mafia under the bus. Which game? I will not say. How do I know they are both mafia? I will not say that either, because if someone wants a game over they could look into it.

Why I hesitated coming back:
If I told you I wouldnt say the game, you would lynch me based on that I had not given solid evidence in the past. Therefore, it would ruin this game for my role dying without getting to have a real strong defense.

If I told you the game name, someone in the game could ruin the game I was referring to.

So, I will come back, and read up again tomorrow, and defend myself. I ask that you take this defense of my near quitting into account when moving forward with this game, because I am doing my absolute best to explain the situation I was in without ruining the games I am referring to.

So, I will talk tomorrow .

[everywhere116]

It would have been better to just say that you were cleared.

Welcome back. Scumbag.

[ghostly447]

It would have been better to just say that you were cleared.

Welcome back. Scumbag.

Cleared? What do you mean? I wanted to explain my situation, because if I said "I was cleared" People would have said "of what" anyways. I felt I needed to come out and tell my reason right off so I did.

[everywhere116]

Irrelevant. The best thing to do is to stop talking about it and continue defending yourself as if the last page and a half never happened. I believe that places you at edocsil's post. Post haste!

[ghostly447]

I argued every point of his case. Now I will address this connecting people.

View the Hectic Eclectic game where I connected SW and Chap. They both turned out to have an alternate win condition of killing each other. YOU CANT CONNECT PEOPLE BASED ON THEIR ACTIONS AND EXPECT GOOD EVIDENCE TO COME OF IT.

This is a logical fallacy. I don't need to explain why this incorrect, but I will anyhow. Ghost logic ~ I fucked up, ergo everyone is a fuckup.

Sorry, I wasnt trying to say that it isnt possible, I was just trying to say there are more than 1 possibilities.

Now to address the red highlighted part. Havent we been wondering if Mafia get their own kill regardless? I do recall that being the question of several players. Please riddle me this, how exactly do you KNOW? Because last time I checked, though it is likely they do, we cant confirm it. There are 3 players in this game that can take a shot. Vig, 1 shot governor, and JOAT. So you, in general, can confirm something that we arent quite sure about. What inside info do you have that we dont?

Are you kidding? This attack totally discredits your defense. Scum have a kill. Usually it is useable by all the scum, occasionally only the GF. The scum would be totally boned if they didn't get the vig role.

Dude, I am not positive, Im sorry. Look, I still consider myself a noob in ways.

Im glad opinions are now held as evidence to my guiltiness now. Too bad, to me, it doesnt prove anything, and it shouldnt prove anything. I posted my opinion that I didnt find it scummy, and it all of a sudden connects me and CLEVER, but yet you dont notice all the other times like Dazza and Nag. By your logic, I could just say that all of the people are connected who voted for any certain person. Your logic holds no weight.

I have to agree with everywhere here, in that you seem to be focusing in on the individual points that he highlighted and trying to counter those for whatever reason, in doing so you are missing the main point t=of the argument, which is that everything together seems to indicate the possibility of a link between you, shield and SomethingClever.

You can't (or more likely won't) see the forest through the trees.

Your still missing the wide view and attacking the small points.


You have buddied like crazy with SG7 and CLEVER, and to a lesser extent IMO Daza. Your logic against the case is insufficient and you associate again fairly tightly with the trio and that is more critical in my eyes even then earlier buddying. Vote Ghostly Do not take this vote into consideration -Adam

Okay guys, seriously? Is this seriously going to be a "You didnt think the same, your obviously mafia"? I mean, really? In some ways, I can understand making connections, but I seriously dont think 3 posts is the way to do it. There are not many times where I supported his side, and I believed him to be town.

Now, I need to go to bed guys. I will try to defend myself more if need be. Now, I would like to apologize for basically shutting the game down for 24-48 hours while Rodion listened to my reasoning, etc. Hope it wasnt too big of a trouble.

Fastpost, your comment on wagon leader of scum= scum is full of fail.

[pmchugh]

I'm scratching my head here.

Okay guys, Rodion has heard me out, I will come back. Let me explain and try not to mess any games up (it was my exact concern).

I said I have seen Mafia throw Mafia under the bus. Which game? I will not say. How do I know they are both mafia? I will not say that either, because if someone wants a game over they could look into it.

Why I hesitated coming back:
If I told you I wouldnt say the game, you would lynch me based on that I had not given solid evidence in the past. Therefore, it would ruin this game for my role dying without getting to have a real strong defense.

If I told you the game name, someone in the game could ruin the game I was referring to.

So, I will come back, and read up again tomorrow, and defend myself. I ask that you take this defense of my near quitting into account when moving forward with this game, because I am doing my absolute best to explain the situation I was in without ruining the games I am referring to.

So, I will talk tomorrow .

Can you please explain the relevance of your point to this game?

I know mafia can bus each other, it certainly has happened before I don't see why you need to refer to a specific incident where this did happen. Who are you suggesting bussed who?

(in this context bussing someone is mafia voting/fosing/lynching their scum partner not busdriving)

[nagerous]

vote ghostly


no point mucking about - he has acted ridiculously scummy

[drunkmonkey]

I'm scratching my head here.

Okay guys, Rodion has heard me out, I will come back. Let me explain and try not to mess any games up (it was my exact concern).

I said I have seen Mafia throw Mafia under the bus. Which game? I will not say. How do I know they are both mafia? I will not say that either, because if someone wants a game over they could look into it.

Why I hesitated coming back:
If I told you I wouldnt say the game, you would lynch me based on that I had not given solid evidence in the past. Therefore, it would ruin this game for my role dying without getting to have a real strong defense.

If I told you the game name, someone in the game could ruin the game I was referring to.

So, I will come back, and read up again tomorrow, and defend myself. I ask that you take this defense of my near quitting into account when moving forward with this game, because I am doing my absolute best to explain the situation I was in without ruining the games I am referring to.

So, I will talk tomorrow .

Can you please explain the relevance of your point to this game?

I know mafia can bus each other, it certainly has happened before I don't see why you need to refer to a specific incident where this did happen. Who are you suggesting bussed who?

(in this context bussing someone is mafia voting/fosing/lynching their scum partner not busdriving)

"Throwing under the bus" is an idiom, meaning sacrificing someone else for personal gain. In this instance, I'd assume he means a mafia member in another game helped with a case against a fellow mafia member to help clear himself. It has nothing to do with "busdriving" in the mafia sense.

[nagerous]

I'm scratching my head here.

Okay guys, Rodion has heard me out, I will come back. Let me explain and try not to mess any games up (it was my exact concern).

I said I have seen Mafia throw Mafia under the bus. Which game? I will not say. How do I know they are both mafia? I will not say that either, because if someone wants a game over they could look into it.

Why I hesitated coming back:
If I told you I wouldnt say the game, you would lynch me based on that I had not given solid evidence in the past. Therefore, it would ruin this game for my role dying without getting to have a real strong defense.

If I told you the game name, someone in the game could ruin the game I was referring to.

So, I will come back, and read up again tomorrow, and defend myself. I ask that you take this defense of my near quitting into account when moving forward with this game, because I am doing my absolute best to explain the situation I was in without ruining the games I am referring to.

So, I will talk tomorrow .

Can you please explain the relevance of your point to this game?

I know mafia can bus each other, it certainly has happened before I don't see why you need to refer to a specific incident where this did happen. Who are you suggesting bussed who?

(in this context bussing someone is mafia voting/fosing/lynching their scum partner not busdriving)

"Throwing under the bus" is an idiom, meaning sacrificing someone else for personal gain. In this instance, I'd assume he means a mafia member in another game helped with a case against a fellow mafia member to help clear himself. It has nothing to do with "busdriving" in the mafia sense.

I think he got that

[drunkmonkey]

Yeah, I see that on the second read. He threw me off because I've never seen "throwing under the bus" shortened to "bussing". That's normally reserved for "busdriving". Anyway...

As I was catching up on the thread, I think this is the first thing that tipped me on ghostly (from way back when the massclaim was being discussed):

Either way, your constant suggestions of trying to get away from claiming does not sit well with me in the least, and therefore I Vote Alt because of trying NOT to claim.

So because I dont join in a useless BW, you suspect that I am not doing much? On the mass claim situation, I can go back and get my post, but I CLEARLY STATED that actually, I did not think it was a good idea because it seemed it would benefit the mafia more.

He tries to start a case on alt for not claiming, yet later says he's been against the massclaim the entire time. After that, there are several scummy plays (most of which have already been caught in pmc's cases). Maybe the worst is what appeared to be an OMGUS against nag on sg7's behalf. This last move, of trying to drop out because he might give information that could maybe affect another game...well, just seemed like desperation.

vote ghostly

[Rodion]

Simplified vote count

ghostly447 - everywhere116, edocsil, pmchugh, nagerous, drunkmonkey (L-2)

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch!

[pmchugh]

I think you may as well claim ghostly at this point but I would really like to know what you meant with your comments about why you wanted to leave.

As for the second use of "bussing" it came from here originally I think:

Epic Mafia Wiki- Bus

(the site appears to be down atm)

[everywhere116]

Yep. L-2. Time to claim.

[ghostly447]

Exactly why I didnt want to come back. Because I knew it would be better for another player to attempt a new start. I didnt want my faction to get a disadvantage due to my stalling. For all the people who are "So good at catching slip ups", I gave the reason I quit because of dazzas request to know the game name.

I claim Town RoleBlocker. Last night, I blocked Nagerous thinking he was mafia and may be sent out to do the kill. I fully intended to consider him an option tonight as well in case they changed their mind and sent him out tonight, but at my standpoint now I may not even get that chance.

Regarding your so called case drunkmonkey, I didnt want to jump on the freezie wagon. The Alt wagon, he was looking for every way out of claiming. You took all of what you have there out of context, something that you have complained about before, and anyone here has complained about before. Unless you are going to provide the exact posts in reply, etc, I am not going to waste my time defending from bull crap that has been taken out of context to convict me.

[drunkmonkey]

Can you tell us what makes you so sure that nag is mafia, that you're willing to risk a 2nd roleblock after 2 kills went through the night you did block him?